i actually think i ship them more than i do forwood

anonymous asked:

Dynamics too - oftentimes certain dynamics had far more chemistry than some of the actual ships

Cool.

1. Every Doblsey pairing i.e. Stelena, Steferine, Simara

I mean look at them, guys. They’re the definition of chemistry. Paul and Nina inhabit their characters fully whenever they’re together and even in gifs, their vibe is palpable.

2. Bonkai and Bamon

As people should know by now, I think Bamon is a terrible ship but that has nothing to do with the Somergraham chemistry, which is on point and I’ve been asked repeatedly if I think Somergraham has more chemistry than Grahamwood but I think the chemistries are simply different. Bonkai is way more visceral and Bamon is more coy but they’re both palpable.

3. Klefan

I legit have to double-check Klefan gifs to see if they’re edited or not because WOW. Like that above gif, IT LOOKS LIKE A LOVER’S QUARREL. Originally, KC was going to be 3 and Klefan was going to be 4 but I honestly think their chemistry outshines Klaroline’s.

4. Klaroline


I’m pretty sure I have an old vid that’s purely of their gazes. As I think my followers know, I’m indifferent to KC, I don’t ship or not ship them but they have pretty potent chemistry, they look like they get lost in each other’s gazes no matter what they’re doing.

5. Forwood

Forwood’s chemistry was really more about comfort, I bought that they would be a couple because they looked comfortable around each other, the way Candice closes her eyes and sort of melds into Michael’s body when they dance, it’s natural, they come across as very natural, they don’t really have a pull or a magnetism or an entrancing type of chemistry but they’re very believable.

6. Stebekah

I don’t think they scream sex as much as Steferine but they scream sex pretty loudly and I believe it. I just realized that Claire actually licks Paul’s face. Ha.

7. Mattoline.


Y’all can fight me but Candice and Zach actually had really good chemistry and I still think they could’ve worked if the show were interested in expanding their storyline more than they did.

8. Jeremy x Anna

I didn’t pay much attention to them, I don’t even know their ship name, but they were cute and good at being cute.

9. Beremy

I know that people generally hate Beremy and I understand why but Kat and Steve had some solid chemistry, the problem was the writing, not that they worked badly together.

10. Carenzo

They’re not memorable to me but we’re getting to the bottom of the barrel here.

11. Stalerie

They had solid professional chemistry, I remember I was off-put by them in the beginning but it really looked like the more time Paul and Elizabeth spent together, the more comfortable they got with each other onscreen and they just flowed a lot more easily than Steroline.

12. Bonenzo

They just don’t have it. They just don’t have the comfort or the pull or the spark or the natural vibe, like even when Kat hugs him, her arms are stiff, like they just don’t have it but they do look hot together, I will give them that.

13. Delena and Steroline

You all know why they’re the worst ones.

I didn’t include ships I couldn’t really speak to because I didn’t care enough like Matt and Rebekah or Tyler and Liv or Alaric and Jo.

Are Bonnie and Kai toxic?

Also known as meta that I decided to write because I like to write meta that nobody asked for. I’ll wrap it up with a TLDR at the bottom in case you don’t feel like reading a book.

Short sweet and to the point: The answer is yes.

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Love, Passion and Affection TVD

Originally posted by painfulblisss

There’s a big difference between love, passion, and affection:

  • Love is a strong feeling of affection, which is considered a state of living and it lasts for a long time
  • Passion is a state of being and it’s sometimes the first phase of most relationships, and barely controllable 
  • Affection is a warm feeling of fondness or liking 

Stalerie: Affection

Valerie claims to be Stefan’s first love, although I’d remove the word love from that sentence. They met in the 19th century and liked each others company which led to Stefan losing his virginity to her. Other than that it just seemed like one of those myths where your crush liked you back. Stefan never claims to be Valerie’s soulmate or anything and he was clearly over her. Therefore their relationship would be considered a gentle feeling of affection (since they were also really young and all).

Stebekah: Passion

It might have been more but the relationship was cut short. Rebekah on a scene told Stefan this:

Which is a pretty good representation of passion. They found feeding on people erotic, drinking fun, and sex just felt good and right. It would be considered passion because didn’t develop their relationship further, it only happened for a short period of time where they looked perfect in each other's eyes. 

Steferine: Passion

Katherine compelled Stefan’s love after he found out she was a vampire. That puts Stefan in the role of the victim. She forced him to constantly drink her blood and she took his fear away. I consider this rape and I don’t believe that a relationship that is based on such a thing can be more than passion. I mean sure it might have felt good to be with Katherine in the beginning and to love her but then his actions were out of his control and it became abusive to even continue a relationship like that. Later on, there’s sympathy from Stefan and her but that’s all there is.

Stelena: Love

No, I’m not biased or their biggest fan but the writers have shown over and over again that they aren’t one of those couples that have to spend days with each other in order to be together. They have a connection even when Stefan leaves with Klaus or when he’s drowning. What makes it love is the principals that they share, their kindness, and support from one another:

They have only kept secrets from one another in life or death situations. They solve their problems by communicating rather than lies and fake promises. Stefan respects her so much he has never compelled her or forced her choices. Even when they weren’t in a relationship together they still found emotional support one each other. Their angst and fights are part of their empathy. Now you might think that if it was love they’d been endgame because love lasts longer. Well in that case, first of all, Elena never stopped loving Stefan in a natural way, she was forced by the sirebond, while Stefan admitted he’d go back to her in a heartbeat. Plus who said they didn’t love each other then? the finale showed that after all those years Elena still wrote about him near the cemetery, this makes me believe that love doesn’t have to be romanticized 100% of the time. I’d consider them soulmates.

Steroline: Passion Love

Appart from the lack of chemistry if you look at the story structure they make sense as a love story. Caroline had a crush on Stefan for the longest time and then she became his best friend. This took years which makes it one of the most developed relationships in TVD. Caroline loved Stefan and she showed that when she went to kill his doppelganger, threatened the travelers, or when she called him in the finale. Even to this day, she wears the ring he gave her as a necklace which shows that she’ll truly love him forever. Stefan also cared deeply about Caroline, he even died for her, not to mention the fact that he sold his soul to the devil to save her kids. They were there for each other, maybe not as exaggerated as they made it on the vows but they still supported each other. They share compassion and devotion throughout the seasons. Last but not least they got married which doesn’t really prove anything but let’s say it’s the only marriage on the show that lasted for almost a day lol which makes it special in its own way.


Originally posted by stydixa


Klaroline: Passion

This ship only works because the actors have a lot of chemistry. Other than that they are lacking the basics of a love story. I think their sex scene was cringy and their overall relationship seemed somehow complex when it really wasn’t. I can’t recall any scenes that made me like them. Also, the only thing that made it better was the fact that Caroline wasn’t “the victim”. She didn’t act like Klaus was someone to be afraid of. That doesn’t take away the unhealthiness of the fact that Klaus banned her boyfriend from coming to MF and tried to seduce her. Anyways this ship only has passion because of the chemistry and sometimes the flirting otherwise is affection.

Forwood: Love 

One of the most earned built-ups in TVD. I think their main issue had to do with Klaus and the circumstances rather than their relationship. Caroline cared a lot about Tyler like she spent a whole night watching him turn and helped him to adjust himself. Tyler fought back to get to Caroline even when he was sired to Klaus while Caroline never lost faith in Tyler. Throughout the time when they were dating they both cared deeply for one another.

Daroline: Affection

Maybe at first, Caroline had a natural pull to Damon since he was the new “hot”, mysterious, bad boy. Also, she might have considered it as a competition against Elena and Stefan. Nonetheless, their relationship turned out to be toxic and harmful especially to Caroline. He fed on her, raped her and invaded her space while she specifically told him to stay away from her as soon as she found out that he was a vampire. Damon wasn’t interested in Caroline, to him she was a distraction. Their relationship might have started off as affection but went down to toxic really quick.

Originally posted by giftvd

Datherine: Love (one sided)

From time to time the writers remind us that Damon truly loved Katherine. She never had to compel his love. On the other side Katherine was dating Damon to make Stefan jealous and since she had that power she could also play with him for all she wanted. Damon then grew obsessed with her, while she almost totally forgot him. Sad but it’s the truth. It also weights a lot on sex and physical contact more than emotional since we know how Damon is, which also satisfied Katherine. In the end, they were both mean, manipulative and selfish (to some point) which made their love fall flat because they were too similar.

Originally posted by katherinepiercegifss

Delena: Passion

What a joke of a relationship, and not even a good one. Their whole dynamic was created by 3 ingredients, bad chemistry, fanservice savage, and sired lazy ass writing. Not their fault really, but according to the facts, their relationship is one of the unhealthiest ones in TVD. Damon and Elena were more like two individuals occupying the same space rather than an epic couple they claimed to be. Their scenes all have to do with “showing” not “doing” unless is sex. As a couple, they’ve got too many insecurities and lies which they don’t even realize. Also, they never rely on each other but on their best friends. Damon’s brother is almost one of their favorite topics to talk about. I have nothing against sex but I’m pretty sure that’s not the best way to break up with someone… In 5x01-5x02 Damon lied to Elena, he didn’t tell her Silas was there, or that Stefan’s missing, or that Katherine was in town, or that Jeremy almost died and was almost expelled. They seem like white lies but people make it seem like their relationship is to die for while it is a very dishonest one. Damon has also done plenty of wrong to Elena from invading her space, to raping her friend, to killing her brother and guardian several times. Even if we forgive him for those Damon keeps Elena from making her own choices and having a normal life which is what she always wanted. So red flag there. Now I think passion is what kept them going and also the fact that everyone was rooting for them. Like literally everyone. 

Boenzo: Love

Not a very well built relationship since we had to skip 3 years to the future to get a vague idea of why they were together. Also, the fact that Bonnie was isolated while it happened doesn’t help it. Anyways I think that apart from that plot problem (lazy writing) they grew on each other. I liked how happy Bonnie was and she deserved happiness in whatever way at that point. Enzo also cared about Bonnie and they had some very romantic moments like when he played music to her. They even went with the “bucket list” theme and I kinda enjoyed that. It added layers to their relationship. In the end when Enzo died Bonnie felt so much pain she actually created another dimension which means that she genuinely loved him. Bonnie was there when Enzo had to go with Sybill, she went on a hunt to find him and collected all sorts of clues that helped her. While Enzo was there for Bonnie when nobody else was (even Damon). He helped her, maybe not out of love in the beginning but he did. Enzo was there for her even when he died, he’d always be there for Bonnie.

anonymous asked:

Why do people have a tendency to ship Bonnie with villains? Kai, Kol (similar names lol), Damon.. Not gonna lie I see the chemistry but sheesh, Kai is especially terrible. So is Damon. Kol wasn't around much.. Like I think she deserved a more exciting and prominent relationship than beremy (I feel like Caroline's relationships are more prominent) but she deserves someone as good and kind and wonderful as her. A great epic romance. Like forwood for instance!

I’m sorry it took me so long to answer this, but I needed time to think about my answer and I haven’t had much time lately, lol. I think they ship Bonnie with villains because those kinds of relationships are dark and intriguing. There’s just something about it, about what it can bring to the screen, if it’s written well of course *cough Dullena cough*. I sure as hell don’t ship Bonkai (or Kennett, for that matter) as romantic endgame or even as “romantic” overall – only as a sexual relationship. I just think it would be interesting to watch Bonnie struggle with being the good girl versus wanting to jump Kai’s bones, like in the fanfictions zalrb writes. There’s a story there, you know? A journey for Bonnie, more of a journey than six fucking seasons of TVD gave her. She’d discover things about herself, she’d discover that she doesn’t always have to be the perfect girl and can still be a good person anyway. I have to say I think that’s what draws people in.

And I have another reason, but I can only speak for myself now. I don’t know how Bonkai or Kennett or other Bamon shippers think about this, so I could be the only one, but I certainly think there have been a few opportunities for Bonnie to go dark, too – the most recent one was after she came back from 1994, suffering from PTSD. Not because I wish that upon her, of course I don’t, ultimately I want her to be happy. But it would add some much needed dark and serious drama, character driven drama instead of “omg there’s a bad guy trying to kill us all” plot driven drama. Imagine Bonnie going after her so-called friends with Kai cheering her on from the sideline.  Wouldn’t you be intrigued by that? I sure as hell would be, and hell, she deserves to tell her friends to fuck off. Why not give them a brain aneurysm while she’s at it? I feel like Kai or Kol could’ve brought that out her and I would’ve liked to see it happen. Plus, some decent sex scenes would be nice to distract us from the disgusting no-chemistry mess that is Dullena, lol. xD

Anyway, Bamon is still a little bit different to me, I actually do ship it as romantic endgame, because that’d be more about bringing Damon home, away from the darkness, instead of pulling Bonnie into the darkness. Simply because a) we’ve already seen Damon do that to Elena and b) Bonnie has the goddamn power. She’s the only one who can get through to Damon, the only one who believes in him for who he is, not for who she wants him to be, and she’s the only one he respects. There’s definitely a love story there and I want to see it happen. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t want Bonnie to be the reason why Damon changes. But I sure as hell would want Bonnie to be the reason why Damon understand he can change for himself. And in the end, Damon could be good and kind and wonderful for her, because I do think he wouldn’t make her dark, but he’d make her a little bit more selfish – and she can use that. Sacrificing herself like that every other episode just isn’t healthy and I think Damon could help her understand that her life is just as valuable and Elena’s or Jeremy’s.

anonymous asked:

Why do you think it's OOC for Caroline? I find it to be very in character for her considering what we saw with Forwood. She had very human realtionship goals when she was with Tyler and expected to do all the normal relationship stuff, and she's the same way with Stefan. Stefan has also always sort of wanted a more normal/human realtionship and that was evident from his pursuit of Elena and high school early on.

Because Tyler was Caroline’s first love. The teenage emotion that is meant to be a transition from the teenage dreams to eventually growing up.

Caroline is also a vampire. And in comparison with Stefan that being a vampire is something that he does not want and brings him guilt and anguish Caroline actually excels at being a vampire. She cherishes the power and the person she is becoming due to her vampirism. In S4 Stefan’s goal was to take the cure to be with Elena but also if he could he would take the cure for himself because he wants to become human again. Caroline would never take the cure. She likes being…let me see…oh yes! Strong, ageless, fearless.

Literally speaking in TVD Damon, Klaus, Katherine Kol, Caroline were born to become Vampires. And this is why they got to get such a devoted following from the fans. Because they served the specific genre perfectly well. Initially so was Rebekah but they had to ruin her progress with the idiotic I want to become human plot of S4.

Caroline is also 18. Her relationship with Tyler was meant to be a transition to adulthood. A coming to age sort of relationship. One that every person must experience at a young age. One that is full of naive hope and childishness and sweet dreams and cute adorable moments. One were you dream to conquer the world inside a Romeo-Juliet babble that is meant to show you that the world is conquered by mature individuals and not high school relationships. Forwood was a necessary step in Caroline Forbes’s progress and characterization and in Tyler Lockwood’s also. They grew up through their bond and heartache. They became more grounded and eventually learned valuable lessons from being together and from breaking up. It was a transitional phase. Not a life purpose. No matter how much the naivety of youth made it seem that way at that time.

Caroline is smart. She is a vampire. She will never grow old. She will never have children. She is an immortal and she has literally an eternity in front of her. One that should become a magic journey and not a simple research for finding a ball in chain that will halt her evolution and personal growth.

Caroline Forbes needs to appreciate Caroline Forbes. She needs to become her own person. To learn how to survive in the world in her own terms. To become her own woman. To become independent. Not to lock herself in a small corner of the world. She is a vampire. She is meant to travel. To learn new languages. To experience art, music, architecture, wonders. To meet new people. To have a lot of sex. Many flings. To even take advantage of people and situations. To learn to manipulate better and to learn to balance her humanity with her immortality. To get to know new cultures, religions, food, colors. She will be here when new cultures will be born, when new eras will prevail, when old societies will break down. She needs to feel the world devour it and get devoured by it for a long time as a free independent woman. And for a Vampire the time has a whole new meaning. Caroline literally has decades and centuries and even more time ahead of her before the time to settle down even comes close. Because this (no matter how many times I get to sound like a broken record) is a VAMPIRE SHOW. It has other rules all together. It is not meant to show us One tree hill and Dawson’s Creek esque ships but Dracula and Queen of the Damned kind of characters. Relationships bigger than life and death and not one that you and I can have in real life anyway. This is not the point of a show that is meant to have fantasy creatures that are reborn in death and walk in shadows and in the dark.

Stefan has lived that life I mention above (much to his dismay) and it is his time in his mind to finally slow down and find peace. Caroline is just beginning and what seemed to Stefan like a nightmare for Caroline can be a dream coming true.

She is still so very young and Stefan wants to feed from her spirit in order to finally find what he was looking for almost two centuries. It is about what he needs. What he wants. The very same pattern he used when he first found Elena and in his relationship with Damon. His needs come first. His “nobility” and “humanity” make him to be always right. It is not intentional but he is emotionally abusing and creating guilt to those around him in order for them to stay with him and fill his loneliness. He is not a bad guy but he is a broken one that needs a crutch. is about him being tired of roaming around on his own and of him finally understanding that his bond with the doppelgangers was unhealthy and it is him having a deeply rooted hatred for his nature. Someone has to take the fall in order to serve his personal needs and desires and that is Caroline right now. And sure it would not be a bad thing if Caroline could fully acknowledge that and had some decades in her back and knew what she actually wanted and was at the middle or the end of her journey. But she is not. Her relationships with Matt and Tyler were actually things Caroline Forbes wanted with the mind of a human teenager. Now that her mother is dead and now that soon she won’t be able to live in Mystic Falls any longer she will start seeing the world through more adult glasses. More so through Vampire glasses so the motivations change. High school, cheerleading, college, a sweet boyfriend, a white fence are not going to be enough. She will drown in them if she gets stalled by them for a long period of time. Small town life, small town boy are simply not good enough of simply enough for her. This is why Stefan Salvatore is not enough. This is why Klaus as he ended up being in TO is also not enough.

Caroline is meant to be energy. Wild, violent, temperamental, passionate. She is not a second Elena Gilbert no matter how much Plec wants to present her as one because that is literally the one female trope she knows how to write. She is her own person. She is not meant to wipe away all the male tears that are going to come up her way. She is a woman not a kleenex.

At some point Caroline Forbes will need to explore her vampirism too. Without anything holding her back. To engage in her nature. To feel the darkness and grasp the world. She will need to travel, to gather experiences while she will be able to play with compulsion and her vampire skills and her fangs and her veins underneath her eyes. To eat people, to jump from tall buildings, to run as fast as the wind blows.

Stefan right now is a vampire that wants to settle down. Even with Klaus’s case (and I am a Klaroline fan and I am even talking about TVD Klaus and not that horrific TO OOC mess he became to be) I always said that their relationship was epic due to their potential and the promise of their eventual eternity (last love not current or present one, however long it times in time not in now) where Caroline will first needed to grow up before being ready for a relationship with Klaus or any other vampire that would be good enough for her; and if a relationship between her and Klaus was to occur in S3/S4 I expected it to end eventually n tragedy with Klaus probably dying or with an open ending that would point us to the very ends of time and into a long distant future with some meetings in the between.

The point here is for Caroline to grow. To become the best version of herself. To put herself and her needs first. If she was an older vampire I would not object to her relationship with Stefan. But right now in human comparisons it seems as if Stefan is a 40 plus widower that suddenly wants the sweet naive 20 year old to keep him company and make him feel alive again while having a peaceful life by his rules.

Sorry but eventually a caterpillar is meant to break the cocoon and become a butterfly. Exchanging one web for another without breaking free from it it will simply kill her and not allow her to transform and become what is meant to become.

Anyway all that is moot because we are still talking about Plec’s shows were it is all about ships and babies and human aspirations that are bound by soap opera standards. But this is in general my opinion over this.

anonymous asked:

What ships from teen wolf do you think are alike to the ones from tvd? I feel like you're going to Stefan/Elena Scott/Allison for some reason idk.

Stefan and Elena are compared to Scott and Allison a lot and I have a few posts about that because there are a lot of narrative similarities between the two of them, from the fact that both ships meet on the first day of school with Stefan being the New Guy and Allison being the New Girl; the fact that Scott was a rugby player, Stefan was a football player, both Scott and Stefan keep their respective supernatural abilities a secret while both Elena and Allison belong to a family of hunters and just on a “feel” level, if you follow my blog you know I’m big on narrative vs dynamic or narrative vs feel and there are similarities there too:

But Stelena is a lot more grounded  than Scallison. Scallison is very high school, Can’t Eat Can’t Sleep, You Are My World, XoXo All Over My Notebook, I Live And Die With Your Every Breath dynamic that isn’t Delena-esque because with Delena it’s just toxic and codependent and you guys are supposed to be adults so what the hell is going on with that, with Scallison it’s just the intensity of being a teen and finding someone you actually care about who isn’t your parent or a sibling or a friend. It’s precious and it’s cute but it’s also, like exhausting? There are moments when I watch them where I’m like can you guys get your shit together, it isn’t that serious? Really, Scott, your username and password is Allison? Which is why Stiles’ reactions to them were hilarious because who hasn’t been that friend who has to bear witness to puppy love and you’re just over it. So that giddiness is in Stelena a lot but SE isn’t as immature as that, Scallison has this sort of breathless quality to them, like I’m with you and I can’t breathe, when you’re not around I can’t breathe, I can’t function, I can’t do anything, but SE is I’m with you and now I can breathe again, I can find my footing again, I can find happiness again, I can do everything and more because I’m with you now and that’s very similar to Scira:

With Scira, there’s an urgency for them to be near each other, which is why they run towards one another a lot because there’s this need to be in each other’s arms but once they’re in each other’s arms they immediately decompress, they immediately feel better, there’s a relief there and I find that to be very Stelena-esque. So I think Stelena is as much Scira as it is Scallison.

This may ruffle some feathers but Stydia is Mattlena to me.

Granted, I’m really not a Stydia shipper but I find the dynamic Stiles and Lydia have to be very much like Matt and Elena where the love Matt has for Elena was insistent and strong in the first season but they worked their way to being friends and that love sort of became abstract, this sort of thread in Matt’s life where all that needs to happen is that Elena needs to be there, needs to be his friend, needs to be safe and he’ll be OK; it’s not about wanting to be with her anymore, it’s just about proximity and being around each other and staying friends. And that doesn’t discount how much they mean to each other and what they’d do for each other so when Stiles goes hard for Lydia and saves her (like how everyone else goes hard for her and saves her)

It’s like when Matt literally died so Elena could turn her humanity back on:

And when Stiles has his freakout about how he would lose his mind if Lydia died:

It’s like when Matt drugged Elena and took her out of Mystic Falls:

I don’t see anything romantic about Stydia. But that’s just me.

Allison and Isaac are like Stefan and Caroline and like Damon and Elena because they’re never going to have what Scallison had much like how DE and SC will never have what SE had and their relationship just seemed pointless so, like, stop trying to make fetch happen. Also while Scallison was actually really intense when it came to sex, Allison and Isaac seemed to only have a connection over their sexual tension — like Delena.

Lydia and Jackson, like I’m thinking about this because I want to say that they’re like Forwood and they’re like Klaroline. It would be more accurate to say that Jydia is a pettier version of Forwood, like if Caroline and Tyler got together in season 1 then they would outright just be Jydia but I still find that there is a lot of pain and relief in pain in Jydia that’s also sort of there in Forwood:

But I’m also saying Klaroline because of their toxicity and vague co-dependence because like Lydia cheats on Jackson with Scott and Jackson is awful to Lydia like the things that he says to her but they still somehow circle back to each other or they never left each other? I don’t know. But that’s like Klaroline. They do terrible things to each other but they’re still somehow around one another.

Liam/Hayden = Bonnie/Jeremy

Frankly, I didn’t pay much attention to Hayden and Liam and found them forgettable but I just think there’s a certain …I don’t even know  just feel like they’re very Beremy and I wonder if it’s because they’re B-plot material but are meant to have the intensity of Scallison First Love for each other but through the perspective of an older and wiser Scott/audience so you look at them almost like aww, cute, I remember what that was like? I feel like that about season 2 Beremy. Does that make sense?

I love Stalia so much but I don’t see a relationship on TVD that equates it because I don’t think that TVD has that sort of dynamic, that sort of we-don’t-say-I-love-you-but-we-go-hard-for-each-other-I-won’t-say-I-need-you-next-to-me-in-bed-but-when-you’re-gone-I-can’t-sleep, that sort of hardness and bickering but coupled with such tender, sweet, intimate moments. No, that is not Bamon. I know people think that it is Bamon but it is not Bamon because Stiles would never treat Malia or speak to Malia the way Damon has treated and spoken to Bonnie.

anonymous asked:

Just curious, because your meta is seriously awesome and you seem to have a great grasp on the way TVD is being written (even though I've never shipped Steroline I'm pretty much with you on the cues and hints being given) who do you then think, as well as Steroline being an endgame pairing, will also be an endgame pairing between Delena & Bamon? I feel like DE has been foreshadowed quite strongly as being the most likely endgame pairing on the show even though, at this point, I'd prefer Bamon

Thank you for the compliment! I try to take my shippingglasses off and view things from an objective literary perspective when I writemeta. I’m primarily interested in critical discussion of the charactersnot shipping wars. Also, I appreciate that you took  the time to read my meta even though you’re not a Steroline shipper.

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steroline - 6x14

I’ve never been more glad to be wrong in my entire life and I am so happy they kissed :)

You can ship whatever you want, forwood, klaroline, stelena or whatever but you can’t say that they don’t have any development or chemistry. Julie herself said they’ve been planning to do something with steroline since 2x02! So it is not sudden, or forced by fans. And there been multiple scenes hinting for a romantic future for them (4x16, 4x19, 4x22, 5x04, 5x12, 5x17 and I can go on…)

Through most of season 6 Caroline ‘hated’ Stefan, not because he left ,but because she has feeling for him. It easier for her to be mad at him for leaving than to deal with the fact he might not feel the same way. She already forgave him in 6x08, but she still didn’t want to be his friend cause it was too hard for her.

When Liz got sick she needed someone to be there for her, to help her. Stefan was there because despite everything they are still best friends. Friends fight, and they also make up. Friends are there for you in hard times.

In 6x11 he told her his secret about Sarah, one which he never told anyone about, because he trusts her. And she wanted him to support her theory on vampire blood because she values his opinion. That was the first step to rebuild their friendship. And yes they are best friends, sorry to break it to you but best friends do fall in love. (Chandler and Monica, Ron and Hermione, Cory and Topanga, Percy and Annabeth…) Sure a lot of the times it’s one sided, but we’ll have to see where they take it…

And the fact that Caroline was 'too busy’ kissing Stefan instead of being with her mom is not her fault. The doctors told her her mom had more time live, so how was she supposed to know she would die that day? The fact that Caroline didn’t get to say good bye to her mom is realistic, it happens every day to most people. Somehow I’m glad they chose to go in that direction. The last words Liz heard from her daughter were 'I love you’, remember that not everyone gets to have that.

Liz know she was dying, that’s way she send Damon to get her drink she didn’t want him to see her weak and scared, it was actually heartbreaking. Damon may not be the best person (but really who is on that show?) and what he did to Caroline was wrong (I’m still mad they didn’t have Damon apologizing to caroline) but he was Liz’s friend and he cared about her. Liz got to die at some sort of peace, surrounded by people who love her which is a good thing.(I must of used an entire box of tissues during that scene)

The kiss was amazing and totally worth the waiting. I’m so glad Stefan intended it, it shows he does have feelings for her.I honestly don’t think Liz dying is a way to push steroline I think it’s more of a storyline for Caroline or maybe the actress leaving, I don’t know. But there’s really nothing wrong with finding love in times like that. What was Coraline supposed to do? Cry or be depressed all the time? That’s not who she is, and she found a moment of happiness in all she’s been going through, you should be happy for her. If you have someone you love by your side it helps you to move on with your life. Like Caroline said 'I don’t know if I will be able to get through this on my own’ and she’s not alone, she has Stefan, Elena, Matt and Tyler. A lot of people who lose family have their…significant other help pull them through. What’s different in this case?

Don’t you think Liz would be happy for Caroline? That she would have wanted this for her? She asked Stefan to make Caroline smile and he did. Liz wouldn’t want Caroline to stop living because she died.

It will probably take a while for them to get together and that’s okay, there’s no need to rush it, Caroline needs time to grieve. The writers did a good job with them and I really hope they won’t screw it up.

anonymous asked:

JP admitted that she dropped her plan for Steroline for a couple of years because Klaroline had instant chemistry.

She is lying. Plain and simple.

She is trying to pander both fanbases. The Klaroline fans by baiting them with some compliments and trying to diffuse the tension after dropping KC now that she got the renewals for her shows and after the latest hateful shenanigans from some other writers of TO, and the St*roline fans by lying about how SC was in her plans for years. Both sides of what she says are lies and empty words.

Let me just remind you that long before Klaroline entered the picture in S3 (3x11) Stefan and Caroline had not interacted ever since S2. In episodes even before the S2 finale. S3 had not even basic interaction between Stefan and Caroline. Like at all. It was ridiculous and underwhelming because Caroline’s massive support from the fans began with her transition to vampirism and Stefan was a big part of that arc and then his connection with Caroline was practically erased for almost one season and a half. They restarted their scenes in S4 while Caroline remained a Stelena Groupie and once Delena was established and Stefan had no story left since from the beginning of the show he was meant to be the one part of the S/E/D triangle Plec decided to kill two birds with a stone and connect Caroline (that her story was on air too since for JP she is meant to be the perpetual love object) with Stefan’s. Simple as that.

Even Plec herself has admitted that she has no plans for her shows. She brainstorms at the spot. This is why the continuity of TVD is so inconsistent. She simply gets flashes of half assessed ideas and then forces them in the last moment without having any understanding of how genre works. She pays no attention to characterization, mythology, the timeline, consistency, plotholes, logic. If she cannot plan ahead for more than 5 episodes what makes you think that she planned ahead in the span of years in an age and time where TVD was successful and based on the foundation of Stelena and Delena? And while her whole attention back then was with Forwood? Stefan original was Caroline’s mentor but after the first half of the second season they dropped most of the SC scenes (brotp back then) all together. The writers are incompetent when it comes to maintaining a balance between the interactions of their characters by providing a good characterization for them. They only care for their plots. Moonstone on repeat. Klaus is coming, Klaus has to die on repeat. The ritual. The cure. Silas. Blah blah blah. That along with ships. So they never create relationships that do not fit into that narrow perspective because they really do not see their characters as characters. Just as pawns to advance the occassional plot and ship wars and that without any idea of how that will work out in the long run. And I say that because back then I really like the St*roline brotp and I was really bummed that they dropped in favor of everything else they had going on back then. And in S3 it became much worse.

And mind you this does not count only for SC. It counts for Klaroline too and for everything else really. Klaroline was introduced as a fluke that JP never expected to stick. And it did. And then they brainstormed on the spot too (mostly for the sweeps) because they planned to kill Klaus on the finale of S3. If anything Klaroline was one of the major reasons (maybe the most important) that had the network intervene and save Klaus. Because of the massive fan support that character got. It happened in the very last minute and the spin off was introduced as an idea in that summer before S4 was even planned. I mean no one blamed JP back then for saving Klaus the way she did because of the love of the fandom towards Klaus but come onnnnnnnn now! He was staked with a white oak stake and somehow his body survived. Plec pulled an excuse for that out of her ass and that was it. It didn’t matter if it made sense or not. Whatever. It would not be the first of the last plothole anyhow. Now of course a white oak stake supposedly still can kill Klaus but in the past he survived it. He got flambeed on screen but Plec then screwed her mythology again because the network intervened and then for a whole season she did not even know what to do with Klaus or any of the originals or even Klaroline because she planned the spin off for which she decided that a baby would be a good idea to have as a basic premise. Plec and planning simply do not go together. Like ever.

Like we are talking about ridiculous on top of ridiculous here. There is no plan guys. Never was. Never will be. Not with Plec. Kevin WIlliamson probably had some long term ideas but he left the show before those could flourish even though he had planted the seeds. But JP took over and we all saw how that worked out.

Everything else Plec says is just some silly crap in order to appease and assure the fanbases she needs in order to string them along. That’s it. And she makes no exceptions here. Every fandom will get Plec’d and she will lie for everything. As long as she keeps baiting the fans and as long as the fans keep on falling for the same tricks over and over again.

Obviously the ratings show how this is not working as effectively as before but now more than ever Plec will keep lying and even more aggressively. Because she is desperate. She hates that she does not have the control she had before. She hates that people do not fall for her shitty ideas. The whole thing is toxic. People do not care. People are critical. These writers (the TO ones actually because at least the TVD ones still have some restraint) will keep on attacking because that is what they do and Plec will start detaching herself and try to make it seem as if she is the good cop while the rest of her team that has no self control and self awareness will be the bad cop. But in reality there is not such thing as a good or bad cop. They are all disrespectful towards the fans. JP cultivated all this toxicity and she is the one that created it to begin with. The writing is trash. The shows are horrific. The fans gets either bullied or offended or lied at with false promises and blatant lies. And they keep using twitter as their way of using the fans as scapegoats, of throwing the blame and rage on in hysterics and also as a way to bait the fans when it is convenient. It is what it is and it is not going to change.