how they became such an important relationship on this show in just about 4 episodes

Yuuri, Victor, and the Importance of Good Communication

Victuuri Week 2017 – Day 4 – Free for All

So for today’s free for all I’d like to talk about something I haven’t heard too much about in the context I’m hoping to present it. My topic is specifically about how Victor and Yuuri are both very independent individuals and how that, combined with both of them having zero experience with serious emotional relationships, works to create miscommunications between the two of them.

To start off, I’d like to clarify what I mean when I say they’re independent. Obviously they’re both able to take care of themselves when it comes to stuff such as physical needs (like feeding themselves, etc). I’m talking more about how they’re emotionally independent. They’re both the kind of people who keep their problems to themselves and try to solve them all without relying on the help of others. They both actually tell us this directly.

We see this come up a bunch during the series even though both are aware that they do this. You can see it happen as early as episode 2 when Victor is hurt that Yuuri is rejecting him after the connection he felt they had at the banquet but never brings it up with him. Instead he sits on and stews in it. And likewise for Yuuri, he’s very confused as to why Victor is there at all and is being so forward with him but never asks him why. He just comes to his own conclusions and treats them as the truth until proven otherwise.

On top of them both being used to handling their problems on their own and internalizing their worries, they both also have no experience with deep emotional love relationships. I use the adjectives deep, emotional, and love to describe the relationship because you can have any other combination of those and have it not really touch the depth and type of relationship these two have with each other. They may have had other relationships but none that came close to this level.

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sacchariwrites  asked:

Are you going to tell us now how you changed the story after you saw episode 10? You said you had to go back and re-outline the whole thing. I am interested in knowing how it differs.

i’m sorry if someone has already asked you this but can you share with us the original plan you had for umfb before episode 10? or can you not tell us until after the companion fic?

How Episode 10 Changed Everything (and other fun stories):

So as I’ve said a couple of times before, episode 10 was an absolute game changer for Until My Feet Bleed and My Heart Aches and now that the fic is finally done I’ll try and explain how although this may get a bit long and I wont go into too much detail about Viktor for companion fic reasons.

So the main three things that episode 10 changed in the fic was Viktor’s entire character, Yuuri as an unreliable narrator and the program music.

The most significant by far was Viktor’s character. Because pre episode 10 we really still didn’t know that much about Viktor and we had no idea about the banquet. So before episode 10 I assumed that Yuuri fell in love first and Viktor came to coach Yuuri out of curiosity because he likes surprises and doing something different and eventually and unexpectedly found himself falling in love. In a draft for another fic I was tossing ideas around for it actually centred on Viktor only realising he was in love with Yuuri just before the kiss in episode 7. Viktor was always very mysterious and I’m sure people who were in the fandom pre ep10 will remember all the theories that he was just using Yuuri and all that and while I didn’t believe that, I did assume that Viktor’s character trope was the ‘workaholic slowly learns how to love by being loved’ one.

But then episode 10 comes and completely knocks that out of the water because we find that Viktor is actually this adorable sappy romantic who calls Yuuri sleeping beauty and adores him and fell in love with him when he was wasted and dancing and brought life and love back into Viktor’s world. And that completely changed Viktor in the fic because after an episode from his pov I had a much better handle on his character and realised he absolutely wouldn’t act like he had been planned to act in the fic.

In the original plan he wasn’t ever a bad person or anything but he was actually a rival for Yuuri and he didn’t fall in love until much much later. But with episode 10 we also found out that Chris and Viktor are best buddies and Viktor likes skating with Chris and can’t imagine a season without him which means that in the fic there’s no way that Viktor would feel threatened by Yuuri as a rival because in canon he’s besties with his competitor and he’s way too much of a sweetheart for that. So in the fic it changed from Viktor reciprocating the rivalry to Viktor actually enjoying the challenge and excitement it brought into his life.

As for him falling in love, in chapter 10 the singing thing was always planned but that was originally the first sign that Viktor was starting to feel affection for Yuuri and was just the very beginning of him falling in love. It chapter 10! But after ep10 I realised that Viktor ‘love at first drunken dance’ Nikiforov would definitely not be having a solid two years of a ‘relationship’ and just be starting to fall because that would be seriously ooc and we finally saw just how much he adores Yuuri through his own eyes. And so in the fic I reworked the whole thing to fit with Viktor as a character as I now understood him and that included him falling first, falling hard and falling early.

Episode 10 also showed us just how much of an unreliable narrator Yuuri is, with the banquet and also how different everything seemed from Viktor’s eyes. And so that meant that I started to play with the idea of Yuuri being a seriously unreliable narrator and trying to tell a story where his version is very different to the version the audience see, which is obvious now pretty crucial to umfb&mha.

I also went back and reworked all the program music for the fic once episode 10 came out. Before it was all important and did have significance but after I knew that Viktor was going to fall early I decided to play around with the idea of showing the audience how he was feeling through his music. So I went back and completely changed the program music to tell a proper story (funny story, originally Yuuri was going to be the one skating to Sun and Moon. And then episode 10 happened and I looked at the new outline of the fic like ‘this is such a Viktor song oh my god).

Another thing that episode 10 changed was originally Chris wasn’t involved in the fic at all until we found out about his and Viktor’s friendship and that he’s actually such a bro not just a weird guy who gropes Yuuri and comes on the ice. As well as that, in episode 10 we also found out that Yuuri was actually the unknowing playboy in the Eros story not Viktor, coming into Viktor’s life, stealing his heart and then leaving without a word, which lead me adapting the fic to umfb!Yuuri becoming a perceived playboy by others through certain things that will be explored fully in the companion fic as a reference to that. There were also some smaller changes like the inclusion of the drunken Olympics and Yuuri knowing how to pole dance as a shout out to the episode.

Episode 12 also changed a lot. One of the things was Yurio and his role in the fic and how he feels about Yuuri which will be explored more in the companion fic. Also the original end of the fic was that Yuuri was going to try and fail to do the quad flip which ruins an otherwise perfect skate and potentially loses him the gold but he was willing to sacrifice it to tell Viktor. But in episode 12 we see that Yuuri can do a quad flip with his love for Viktor as motivation so it changed to Yuuri still potentially ruining his skate because he isn’t sure if he can land the jump but doing it anyway and actually succeeding because every time he tried and failed before it was because he was doing it out of bitterness trying to beat Viktor and this time he was doing it out of love.

The fic also changed a lot over the course of writing it just because characters take on a life of their own and my first draft was very rough and done before I’d written anything so I’ll try and do a chapter by chapter run down of the big changes from the rough plan I wrote before starting the fic to the end result.

Chapter 4:

·       Phichit originally wasn’t a big part of the fic but that very quickly changed because it’s Phichit and he’s so damn important to Yuuri and such an amazing character so I added him in early and made his part much bigger

·       There was originally going to be a discussion between Viktor and Yuuri that went badly and they both ended up annoyed and offended which sparked Viktor’s side of the rivalry but there was no way to do that without making them both dicks and ooc and after episode 10 it changed to Viktor trying to be helpful but unreliable narrator Yuuri taking it wrong and cutting the conversation short

Chapter 6:

·       Yuuri was originally going to be watching interviews and stuff of Viktor and thinking how arrogant and self-assured he was but this changed with Viktor’s character change because that’s just not him

·       Viktor was going to make a comment about Yuuri’s quads but this one was actually going to be an insult and again changed when Viktor’s character changed

·       The idea for the dream sequence only came later

Chapter 7:

·       Pole dancing only became a thing after episode 10

·       Viktor was going to only miss the GPS and come back for Worlds but lose because he wasn’t fully recovered but I decided I didn’t want the first time Yuuri won against Viktor to be so unsatisfying

·       The watching Yuuri skate at the rink didn’t originally happen at this point in the fic until after I saw ep 10

Chapter 8:

·       Yuuri never lost motivation originally but I decided at that point it was important in his character to almost give up but then come back with a vengeance

·       The drunken Olympics never originally happened

·       They were both originally going to be drunk when they first slept together but that got thrown out almost immediately because consent is very important and there was no way I was going to write a scene where both of them were drunk and therefore couldn’t give proper consent.  Also it was important it wasn’t a drunken mistake but a deliberate choice.

·       Viktor getting drinks never happened, instead he was going to be treating Yuuri in a similar way to how Yuuri was treating him

Chapter 9:

·       Yuuri was originally still going to be very hostile before I realised it was ooc and a dick move after Viktor was being nice to him so it changed to him congratulating Viktor after Viktor won. That then changed the sex scene from the mutual hatefuck it was going to be pre ep10 to Yuuri and the comments thing that sent him spiralling. The not-talking thing was also added as a plot device because Viktor as he became acted very differently to him as he was originally planned to be and it would have been too easy if he had been allowed to talk.

·       Viktor was originally going to take Yuuri out to dinner at the WC purely out of guilt

·       There was originally going to be another sex scene after the WC and dinner where Yuuri was angry at Viktor for ruining his skate but it would be ooc for both of them and got changed early on

Chapter 10:

·       Number swap was supposed to be just for hooking up but changed after ep10

·       Yuuri’s theme was originally going to be something related to hatred but it changed as his character developed and I realised how he was being affected by the events of the fic was different to the plan and that would be doing him a disservice as a character

·       Viktor was still kind of being a bit of a dick and making snide comments during sex when Yuuri won which was changed when I rewrote Viktor as a character after ep10

·       Conversation with Phichit was very short and didn’t involve a lot of the stuff it did in the final chapter

·       Viktor was again going to be acting very different in the second sex scene with none of the need or desperation that happened which all came about during his character change

·       Conversation with Chris never happened until the third of four re-writes of ep10 when I realised Viktor’s actions needed some more context for people who were ignoring the music

Chapter 11:

·       Lots of sex was supposed to happen in this chapter before I changed it for plot reasons and also companion fic reasons

·       Sex scene was supposed to be all about Yuuri acting like Eros Yuuri but those two idiots in love were very sappy and sentimental instead and it became a crucial relationship shift point instead

·       All domesticness from that chapter was planned out later in the fic as the fic was being written not in the first plan, including the borscht scene

Chapter 12:

·       Meal with the other skaters never happened

·       The revel about Yuuri’s virginity never happened in the first plan. Then in the rough draft of the chapter it happened at the same time as the second reveal but I split them because it worked better that way

·       This was when Viktor was supposed to secretly watch Yuuri skating his routine

·       Yurio wasn’t originally involved at all and Yuuri left after getting jealous. The love revelation never happened

Chapter 13:

·       Yurio appeared in this chapter instead although the conversation was very different in the rough plan because everything he talks about in the final version came about after episode 10 changed everything

·       Yuuri was originally going to be much more angry at the scandal and used his anger to win while Viktor still fucked up his skate but this changed early when I realised it was ooc and Yuuri would actually react very differently and that emotional devastation and heartbreak would ruin his skate instead

Chapter 14:

·       None of the conversations with Yuuri’s family were planned in detail in the first rough plan, I just knew he needed to go back to Hasetsu and have some revelations

·       Yuuri was supposed to convince himself that Viktor never loved him and never could and only realised Viktor’s feelings after seeing stammi vicino. This changed because it was very important for Yuuri to go and get some distance and time and then decided to come back and decided to try again with Viktor before he saw stammi vicino. It also changed because with Viktor as he became after ep10 and how he reacted there was no way that Yuuri would convince himself that Viktor never cared for him. He’s a bit emotionally dense sometimes but not an idiot

·       Yuuri was going to fall on the quad flip

So yeah, all this is from the very rough draft before I wrote any of it and the story adapted and changed along the way as I got more into the characters and got a better handle on how they would act until it became what you see today. It definitely became a much better story and I’m very happy with all the changes that I made! Having a plan is great for a framework but letting the characters grow and change naturally during the writing process is much more fun and I think makes for a better story

Me: *makes this post*

Stans who are rummaging through the tag they claim to hate bc I didn’t tag this as #steven universe, only #su critical and spoiler tags: lmao dumbfuck didnt even watch the episode

Me, pushing up my sleeves and brandishing my national arts seal in creative writing and creative writing degree w/ art minor: *inhales*

While Steven lying about being Rose Quartz at the end of “I Am My Mom” isn’t inherently a bad idea and works well in theory, the fact that such a proclamation comes so close on the heels of “Lion 4: Alternate Ending”–which needlessly establishes yet again that Steven is supposed to be himself and follow the beat of his own drum–undermines the morals of both episodes, causing a far reduced impact in him sacrificing himself.

As Steven Universe is now, for some reason, almost exclusively being shown to its audience via random spurts of 5-day single episode releases, we are forced to examine these packages of new episodes as one whole arc–of emotional, physical, internal conflicts that are supposed to mesh into one, cohesive resolution.

And the emotional conflict that begins in “Lion 4: Alternate Ending” does not mesh with the resolution presented to us in “I Am My Mom.” Perhaps the biggest reason as to why it does not mesh is because “Lion 4″ is otherwise self-contained. If they had released the episode in season 2, or in season 3 before “Bismuth,” “Lion 4″ would have had the proper impact as a means of reassuring Steven that Rose did indeed mean for him to be himself, which was already established in “Lion 3: Straight to Video” and had also been a subplot that was becoming more and more prominent with the introduction of Jasper, a Homeworld gem who refused to acknowledge that Steven could be any other being besides Rose Quartz.

However, the majority of this subplot is resolved in “Bismuth,” an episode wherein a Crystal Gem from the War era who was betrayed by and unjustly placed into a solitary confinement-esque prison by Rose Quartz is unbubbled. In the first half of the episode, Bismuth learns that Rose is gone, and that Steven is not a new regeneration, but a whole new being. She praises him, continuously assures him that he is not his mother, and puts her trust in him. Even right before she is poofed and unjustly placed in an equivalent to jail again, she reaffirms that, despite her earlier confusion, Steven is not anything like Rose Quartz. More reparations were necessary in order to fully put his subplot to rest (i.e. Steven and the Gems should have sat down and talked to each other and to Steven about where he stands in the world of the Crystal Gems, and finally affirm that they had been treating him like Rose, but that they cannot do that because even if he acts similarly, Steven is not Rose), however, there is no reason this subplot should have extended past season 3. It is old, tired, and the resolution was predictable even when the conflict was new. However, it is now being trotted out as if it is still a major, untired conflict in the show, taking precious time away from focusing on Garnet’s or Amethyst’s subplots that have largely been abandoned.

This relocation of “Lion 4″ would not have solved the major problem of the episode itself–that, being, that nothing happens in it that the audience has not already seen–and the episode would have been better off not made. But if the crew decided that they absolutely needed “Lion 4″ as an episode, then it should have occurred during the period of time when several characters were insisting that he was Rose Quartz, and begrudged him for supposedly being Rose Quartz.

Which brings us to the episode “I Am My Mom.” As I stated before, Steven lying to save his friends works well in theory, but it falls flat in practice as the climax of Steven Bomb 6. Since the writers did not trust the audience to truly believe that Steven had resolved his “Am I my mother?” conflict already, and since “Lion 4″ sets up the conflict again, the tension of Steven’s relationship to his mother is an overarching dramatic tension of this series of episodes. But at the end, Steven does not come to a conclusion about whether he is his mother or not, but he comes to the conclusion that in order to save his friends, he has to lie about something he has already allegedly resolved. But, again, the largest portion of the emotional arc was resolved between seasons 2 and 3. Bringing it up so suddenly again brings it back into focus for the audience, and packaging it with these episodes enforces the fact that “Am I my mother?” is still relevant, even though it’s not.

And since the theme was brought back from the dead, placed in front of a bunch of episodes, and given gravitas, it is uncertain, again, if Steven truly believes that he is not Rose Quartz. After all, why would he still be looking for hidden messages of his purpose in that video if he truly believed he only had to be himself? In the end, his proclamation of being Rose Quartz–intended to be a lie coming from the mouth of someone who no longer worried about the validity of the statement–is completely undermined because we can no longer be sure that Steven’s personal conflict is resolved. Because “Lion 4″ resurrected the theme, it became an undercurrent for the next few episodes, culminating in Steven’s character regressing due to complete mishandling by the creators. The arc is no longer about Steven taking direct action in a war, but about Steven’s conflict of whether or not he is who he thinks he is.

It is a good idea in theory; it is a terrible idea in execution.

But why go on so long about a “simple kids’ show?” Why bother thinking so much into this? First of all, because so many people have been affected by this show, had their lives changed by this show, that it is unfair to call it “just a–” anything. If you accept that a show can positively impact you, if you crow about how it is “progressive” and has “great representation” then it is no longer simple and forgettable. You have admitted that it is worth close examination.

Second of all, if you believe that there are things unworthy of serious academic examination, extrapolation, and criticism, then you have no actual idea what academic criticism is and why it is important.



    She produced million-dollar blockbusters with Spielberg; now she’s pulling in billions for Star Wars as president of Lucasfilm. But don’t let the dollar signs fool you: This powerhouse is one of the greatest storytellers in Hollywood

    —Seth Plattner (Elle US, Nov 2017)

    As with every Jedi in the Star Wars universe, the ascension to Master doesn’t come without some prequel. For Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy—who, in 2012, became one of the most powerful executives in Hollywood when George Lucas handpicked her to succeed him as head of the biggest, most profitable, most rabidly fan-consumed movie franchise ever—the same holds true.

    The daughter of a theater actress and a judge, Kennedy grew up in Redding, California, a small town “where I didn’t actually see a lot of movies.” Nevertheless, she began honing her producing skills by managing her high school’s talent shows. As a telecommunications and film major at San Diego State University, she immersed herself in various media jobs: camera operator at a local station; news desk assistant; morning talk show producer. “At the time, they simply interested me,” she says. “They were the jobs you do when you’re just starting out. And they all kind of coalesced into what I wanted to do with my life once I met Steven.”

    Spielberg, that is. Inspired after seeing Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Kennedy moved to L.A. in 1978 and began working as the secretary to Spielberg’s friend, screenwriter John Milius. In short order, Spielberg poached her to be his own assistant, and a few years later, he was so impressed by her ideas and willingness to voice them that he gave Kennedy, then 29, her first producer credit—on E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial. “I spent a lot of that time blinded by terror,” she says with a laugh. “But fear isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It’s always a good place to start.”

    From there, Spielberg, Kennedy, and her future husband, Frank Marshall, formed Amblin Entertainment in 1982; a decade later, Kennedy and Marshall—who now have two daughters—started their own company, The Kennedy/Marshall Company, which continued to work closely with Spielberg and which Marshall runs solo today.

    Through those years, Kennedy oversaw one record-breaking blockbuster after another— Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull—as well as Oscar-crushing dramas—The Color Purple, Schindler’s List, Lincoln. In total, she’s produced 70 films, which have racked up 125 Academy Award nominations (eight of which have her name on them) and grossed more than $11 billion worldwide.

    Since taking over as president at Lucasfilm, Kennedy has shepherded 2015’s The Force Awakens to a more than $2 billion global box-office gross and made stars of the film’s newcomers, Daisy Ridley and John Boyega. Rogue One, the first stand-alone spin-off in the franchise, hauled in $1.1 billion the following year, and industry insiders speculate that next month’s The Last Jedi, the eighth “episode” in the now 40-year-old saga, could pull in even bigger numbers. But it’s not all about money: “Kathy told me, ‘Rian, it’s just more zeros,’ ” says Rian Johnson, whom Kennedy boldly hired to direct The Last Jedi (despite rumblings that he was too green to take on a project of Star Wars proportions). “ ‘It’s making a movie, telling a story, just with more people and sets.’ There’s an easygoing confidence with Kathy. Her whole thing is having close relationships with and supporting filmmakers. She gives you a safe space to work and play in.”

    In line with her commitment to spot and foster fresh onscreen talent with diverse perspectives, Kennedy cast Ridley, a virtual unknown, as The Force Awakens’ Rey, the first female lead in Star Wars history. “I have and still do feel supported through all parts of my life,” Ridley says. “I was recently struggling in a job, and she sent some wonderful emails reassuring me it would turn out well. That’s what makes her so special.”

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    Lucifer and spirituality

    There are plenty of people who have never watched Lucifer (The TV series) or they have made some very odd and wrong assumptions about the show being pro-Satanist and Anti-God.

    The irony is once you get past your preconceived ideas of how The Devil should act it’s actually very pro-Religion and spirituality.

    1.  God is portrayed as benign and loving. Though the version of The Devil is not actually evil (and is essentially just an Angel with father issues) God isn’t evil either. It’s not telling you to choose The Devil over God.  It’s telling you that Lucifer is wrong about God.  God is never portrayed directly (except somewhat ambiguously) but what is revealed is 1.  He does answer prayers.   2.  He wants Lucifer to be happy and to find love (creation of Chloe), and he is loving and forgiving.  The forgiveness aspect is even acknowledged by Lucifer himself when he’s not being bitter about having been given Hell.

    2.  The importance of self-forgiveness.  The realm of Hell in the original Lucifer comics was God’s attempt at giving Lucifer his own realm to rule away from Him since Lucifer did not want to live in his Father’s shadow.  The place only became dark and bleak because of Lucifer’s own mood and thus attracted demons and masochistic human souls with no where else to go.   Lucifer, himself, says the only way out of Hell is to forgive yourself.   This means that Hell does not have to be an eternal damnation but a place of self-reflection.   Once you come to terms with your own past you can move on.  Forgiveness, redemption, and self-acceptance are very important in most religions.  Of course, the show goes out of it’s way to tell you that this is extremely difficult (and for many improbable) but it is not impossible.  Especially if you have someone with you who loves and forgives you when you can’t forgive yourself (Lucifer and his mother in Hell in Season 2).

    3.  Love makes us human. This message is very literal with Lucifer in that he is physically human around the one woman he has deep and profound feelings toward. 

    4.  The value of truth.  Though it sometimes makes matters difficult, ultimately, the fact that Lucifer will not lie ultimately always turns out to be for the best. 

    5.   Prayer works.   Every time anyone prays in the show it ultimately works. Whether it’s summoning an angel like Amenadiel or Lucifer calling out to his father for help.

    6.   Selflessness is rewarded.   Whenever Lucifer does something without any regard for himself it is rewarded.  Such as when he offered up his loyalty and obedience while nearly dying in season one, in exchange for Chloe’s safety.  And Amenadiel’s powers were only restored to him when he wanted to use them to save another, Linda.

    7.   Every episode teaches a new virtue or ideal moral.  That’s right, you’re watching a program that has a moral in each episode.  Don’t believe me, do a rewatch of season one and season two.   The season finale of season 2, for example reaches how it’s important to let go of the past.  And how unhealthy it is to try to cling to how things were or have always been.  The importance of change, and moving forward.   Even the funny episode about Lucifer’s lovers teaches how empty and meaningless relationships are if there is no emotional connection and how lonely that can be.  You have been tricked, in friends, into watching a show that preaches virtues.  And… let’s face it, we kind of like it.

    8.  There is no shame in seeking psychiatric or spiritual guidance.  The show’s protagonist sees a therapist in every episode and it’s never treated like something bad or as a weakness.

    9.   The importance of self-expression. In several episodes Lucifer plays a song at the Piano and or sings.  The song always reflects what he is currently going through or his mood, from All Along The Watchtower to “Unforgiven” when he feels guilt over what happened to Uriel and “Eternal Flame” for Chloe.

    10.  Trust.  The importance of trust and forgiveness is emphasized with Linda’s acceptance of Lucifer and Lucifer’s struggle with admitting the truth about himself to Chloe and letting her love him, because he feels unworthy of her love.

    11.  Free will is considered a virtue to be appreciated and respected, something Lucifer holds in high regard and part of why he denounces a group of wanna-be Satanists.    

    Congratulations, Lucifer fans.  We have all been tricked into watching a show with surprisingly wholesome values.

    Much Ado About Episode 33

    I’m fascinated by Mikasa’s ability to be the fandom’s lightning rod, especially when it comes to the anime. 

    I had a sort of realization as to why there’s a surge of negativity targeted towards her from this episode alone, and from the manga-reader crowd of all people. This is just my opinion, but I don’t believe this is all sudden character hate – this is people still feeling mistrustful of and disliking the anime’s portrayal of her based on past experience.

    From what I’ve gathered, season 1 Mikasa did not leave the best impression on fans. Many who compared that adaptation of her to her manga counterpart felt that she was too Eren-centric overall. So when season 2 finally aired, that residual uncertainty bled over. I think the third episode of this season (episode 28) is what fully opened up that old wound again. That’s the episode where an important key to her character development was left out, leaving quite a bit of fans feeling more wary than ever about how the anime would continue to handle her character (I wrote about it here). 

    Fans feared that her flaws would be glossed over, and for understandable reasons. But honestly, I’m not so concerned about that cut anymore in terms of her characterization. It was just last episode that Mikasa acknowledged her failure to kill Reiner and Bert when she had the chance. That was also in the manga, and while it feels like such a hollow victory to celebrate the anime doing the bare minimum in that regard, it’s still a promising sign. Overall, I’d say this season is doing a much better job at portraying her accurately. @guyinlovewitheremika put it best in this post.

    Bad news is, that mistrust in the anime is tainting fans’ perception of Mikasa altogether. Suddenly it’s like every little thing about her is taken as a sign of the anime team messing up her character or pushing their own agenda, right down to her physical appearance. The thing fans disliked the most about her portrayal last season was that her fixation on Eren was overdone. This is the tricky part, because Mikasa’s attachment to Eren does bring about clear flaws that are undoubtedly part of her character growth. It’s not like her attachment to him is OOC, it’s right there in the manga. But because the anime – according to many fans – exaggerated that part of her character, there’s this knee-jerk reaction to whenever she actually is supposed to show concern about Eren. Instead of recognizing that this is perfectly in character for her, people are taking this as an indication of the anime wrongly depicting her because of their version of the story told so far.

    It’s backlash at her for being in character while perceiving it as being OOC.

    This episode that was adapted from chapter 45 highlighted that attitude best.

    Putting the original flashback aside for a second, she acts exactly the same as she does in the respective chapter. Dialogue and everything. There, she’s incredibly worried about Eren, frantic, and becoming despondent over the realization that he’s gotten so far away. By “gotten away,” I mean she realizes that Eren was just kidnapped by two powerful and dangerous enemies that she blames herself for not killing earlier when given the chance, has every reason to believe they will kill him, keeping in mind that these are the very same people who are responsible for destroying her second home and most of her second family as well. 

    And they’ve gotten a 5 hour head start. The prospects are, well, not good for Eren from this perspective.

    I’ll admit she’s never been a favorite of mine, but I could always understand and sympathize with her. Eren is the person who saved her, who taught her to fight back instead of accepting her cruel fate, who became part of her new family she was immediately welcomed into after just watching her parents be brutally murdered. Her parents, who were her entire world. Family is by the far the most important thing to her, and she acts on that wish to keep what little of that she has together after losing so much already.

    Waking up to the realization that she may very well be losing more of her family again devastates her, and why wouldn’t it? In the flashback, she’s a 9 or 10 year old. Well before any semblance of character development takes place in story. So she, unsurprisingly, is more overbearing with Eren back then. Running to his side the moment she learns he’s off picking fights again, telling him to get back home, and distressed when Eren once again leaves her behind to try to finish a fight he won’t win.

    But because this wasn’t written in the manga by Isayama himself, then it’s subjected to even more scrutiny. It makes it easier for people to brush this off as the anime team just failing to understand certain characters and their relationships with others.

    Whether you like it or not, Mikasa’s relationship with Eren is a focus for this arc especially. So of course it’s necessary to emphasize that, but I don’t think it’s being over exaggerated at all. This arc just has the misfortune of immediately following the events of season 1 that had fans feeling so uneasy in the first place. If/when we ever get to see the Uprising arc animated, I think there’ll be fewer accusations towards the anime disloyally adapting her character. 

    A great deal of her development is about learning to let go, to trust Eren to look after himself knowing he won’t so recklessly put his life in danger, to not let her emotions cloud her judgement and be a more reliable soldier. As of chapter 45, which the anime just showed, she has not fully reached that point. She is still growing. Much of that growth doesn’t happen until after chapter 50.

    The lack of faith in the anime team is resulting in some visceral reactions to even the most trivial of changes. 

    This isn’t limited to Mikasa either. I’ve seen a lot fans anxious over whether or not certain pieces of dialogue would even make the cut, or if a dynamic between characters wouldn’t be depicted accurately or even severely downplayed.

    I’ve been wary of the second season for a while now because of the way characters like Eren were handled in the past (looking you, lava-veined berserk titan), but now I have a lot more confidence in this adaptation than before. Like Mikasa’s attachment isn’t being overdone, Armin’s bond with Eren isn’t being downplayed, and Eren has stayed true to his behavior from the manga even while fighting Reiner. All of them are in character. Some of that worry is still there for when crucial character moments come around, but I’d rather deal with that when the time comes instead of fretting about it so much.

    As of now, I’d say most of the manga-readers are guilty of constantly referring back to season 1 to determine how characters will continue to be portrayed. That was 4 years ago. There has been a lot more canon material available for the anime team to use over that time, along with meetings with the author himself. 

    This isn’t going to be a perfect adaptation every step of the way, but at this point it’s unfair to say that the anime is completely messing up characters like Mikasa. What was done in the past can’t be changed, but I think they’re doing their best to make up for that and loyally following the source material, at the very least when it comes to the main cast. 

    Basically, this isn’t an issue with Mikasa. It’s the fandom having an issue with the anime.

    K-Drama Recommendations

    People close to me or those who follow me on Twitter would know how it seems that I always recommend every single K-drama I have just finished watching. That’s not true though. At least, I don’t recommend /all/ that I watch, only most HAHA. 

    Thus, I have decided to organize my recommendations into a list consisting of my top favorite K-dramas with the reasons why I watched them and why I recommend them for others to watch. These reasons may be highly subjective as they weren’t exactly reviewed technically.

    NOTE: These are K-dramas I recently watched (from 2 years ago up to now) which means there are other great (classic) K-dramas that I did not include only because I remember these ones better. 

    1. Pinocchio

    Originally posted by supernad2

    Why I watched it: It stars Lee Jongsuk, one of my all-time favorite actors. Besides, it has an interesting plot: a girl who hiccups every time she lies, a terrible past involving the guy she likes and her mom, and the leads characters’ struggles to reach their dreams in the media industry. 

    Why you should watch it: This drama is arguably my number one favorite K-drama because unlike most other dramas whose plot revolves mainly around the couple’s romance and the troubles surrounding their happily ever after, this drama deals with wider, more substantial issues (e.g. the ethics of the media industry, family). Also, Pinocchio is unlike other dramas whose plot seem to lose direction halfway through, or whose premise lacks depth resulting to it getting boring and drags on, or having a promising start but  not being able to wrap things up cleanly later on. This drama has many layers gradually getting revealed. What you thought was the main problem actually has a deeper aspect to it. It’s not just about jongsuk and shinhye’s romantic-slash-niece-uncle relationship nor is it a typical love triangle. The supporting characters also prove important to the overall story, even those who seemed to be very minor characters at first. Character growth can be observed and the ending is appropriate, without leaving loose ends.

    2. You who Came from the Stars

    Originally posted by soosoosoohyun

    Why I watched it: Jeon Jihyun, Kim Soohyun, and a love story between a sassy actress and an alien. Who wouldn’t be interested?

    Why you should watch it: It’s a comedy (Jeon Jinhyun’s Cheon Songyi will make you literally LOL), drama (watch out for Kim Soohyun’s crying scenes!), and romance (there’s undeniable chemistry between them + Do Minjoon’s subtle but sweet, protective antics) all rolled into one. There’s a reason behind this drama’s immense popularity -be it the characters and how the actors accurately portrayed them, the unique storyline, the creepy antagonist, or all of them.

    3. I Hear your Voice

    Why I watched it: It was really popular at that time (no doubt why!) and it had an interesting story.

    Why you should watch it: Older woman - Younger man (who, incidentally, can read minds!!) romance but it is in no way awkward. If anything, that made everything even cuter and sweeter (that backhug is still the best backhug in the history of kdrama!). Plus, the woman being strong and modern (although sometimes an adorable fail, especially when Jongsuk reads her mind) and the guy being a pure, innocent high schooler adds to the cuteness and uniqueness of the drama. This closely rivals Pinocchio as my all-time favorite kdrama (which isn’t surprising since they had the same writers, and Jongsuk as lead). It has a neatly written story, with depth and substance (tackling the concept of what makes people monsters and other ethical issues in the background of various legal cases).

    Originally posted by infinite-exo-bts

    4. Reply 1997

    Why I watched it: The lead character is a kpop fangirl (which means I can relate). And I love Eunji and Shin Soyul.

    Why you should watch it: It’s a perfect coming-of-age drama. Aside from successfully showing character growth for each one of them, it had a unique and very interesting way of storytelling, by means of flashbacks. It keeps you hooked since every episode seems to end with a cliffhanger, leaving you curiouser and curiouser. The characters’ diversity is also an interesting factor -two kpop fangirls, two sets of potential couples, two secretly in-love bestfriends, and the funny guy. I also like how it dealt with homosexuality, with one of the them being secretly in-love with one of their guy friends.

    Originally posted by 95won

    5. School 2015

    Why I watched it: Yook Sungjae. And because I loved the earlier series School 2013 too.

    Why you should watch it: It’s an inspiring drama. Although it is set in a high school, it has universally relatable themes of dreams, love, friendship, and family. Bullying is portrayed in a straightforward, honest manner which made the antagonist very unlikable and makes people realize how serious a crime bullying is. The love triangle was an interesting storyline, with both males being likable, unlike in Filipino dramas where one is bound to be a jerk. However, the second male lead’s character was written so much better than how the other guy’s was. They also built up his relationship with the female lead so much more that the ending actually became disappointing. Symptoms of second male lead syndrome can be expected. On the other hand, the female lead’s acting is extremely commendable as well as the way the characters were written. It would’ve been nicer though if they were able to follow through the subplots concerning the other students because they were able to deal with them closely at first, only to leave loose ends. It makes the viewer ask what happened to some of the minor characters. Still, on the overall, the drama is a good watch. 

    6. Plus Nine Boys

    Why I watched it: Two words: Yook Sungjae.

    Why you should watch it: Although I watched this primarily because I have just finished School 2015 at that time and needed more Yook Sungjae, I wasn’t at all disappointed. It’s very light and easy to watch and has one of the most satisfying endings for me. It’s not your typical happily ever after. It’s not predictable such that everything suddenly fits into place. Still, you’ll be left smiling at how things turned out. The plot is simple and the portrayal is realistic. I especially love the scenes where the three brothers interact with one another or with their mom and uncle because it depicts a very normal everyday scenario not unlikely to happen in real life. It has its fair share of heart fluttering and comedic scenes but for me, what sets this drama apart is really how realistic and normal (often undramatic) it is.


    This scene is so important to Bellamy Blake’s development. For 4 Seasons his mantra about Octavia has been “My sister. My responsibility.” It’s his way of saying that he will always find a way to keep her safe, to protect her, to keep her from harm. 

    In this moment, Bellamy is realizing that, although he still feels Octavia is his responsibility (and probably always will in some way/shape/form as that is typical father/big brother behavior) he has failed in what he considers his utmost duty: protecting her and it’s a realization he’s been working towards since Season 3.

    And it’s not protecting her from physical harm. I’m pretty sure Bellamy accepted that Octavia can hold her on in physical battle a while ago, way back in Season 1, if we’re being honest, but he still believed that he could protect her from other forms of pain if he just tried hard enough. Bear with me, this might get long.

    In Season 3, after Lincoln has died, we can see his ideology (that he can still protect/take care of Octavia’s emotional state) begin to crumble, even as he forcibly tries to hold it together. In 3*10 (Fallen), when Octavia and the others return to the cave without Lincoln and she releases her pain onto him, he allows this not just because he believe he deserves it, but also because he think she needs it. He is trying to take care of Octavia’s emotional state here:

    (it hurt to go back and skim this script segment-someone give me a cookie.) That’s the first time he attempted to care for her emotionally and it did not work. 

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    Thoughts on Bojack Horseman Season 4:

    Four seasons into Bojack and the fundamental qualities of the show largely stay the same. Bojack is an incredibly funny show at times and an incredible sad one at others. It blends the silly and the profound better than just about any show out there. It is inventive and ambitious with its animation making for some of the most beautiful images ever sketched for TV and it remains a totally unpredictable show four seasons in. All of this we already knew, so what makes Bojack season 4 different?

    Cutting to the chase, I think the main change here is the transition Bojack has made from a great character study to a great ensemble show. I don’t mean to imply that Bojack did not always have a great cast of characters and performers, it certainly did but this year something was different. The character Bojack felt less like a central driving force and more like a part of a richer tapestry, than ever before.

    We got episodes dedicated to Todd, Princess Carolyn and Bojack’s mother, as well episodes that had no Bojack in them period. Bojack still had a big part to play but I think the writers recognised something important, that in a long running dramatic series at a certain point you need to start distributing the dramatic weight of the show among the full ensemble.

    At the end of season 3 Bojack’s story had hit such dramatic heights (or rather depths) that this year for him became more about his recovery and the drama of his arc became more understated. With that though the real massive gut punches of this season were often found elsewhere.

    The finale was overall the most positive and hopeful one the show had ever delivered but even within that was the potential breakdown in the relationship between Diane and Mr Peanutbutter. It is classic Bojack moment, when Diane starts her speech on the nature of their marriage you feel like the show is going for a tidy conclusion but instead it delivers something much more messy and true to their arc this year.

    This season’s outstanding episode and moment for me came in the Princess Carolyn episode. The final moment where she reveals that what we thought were flash-forwards were just in fact her imagination is just an incredible moment of television. Bojack Horseman can pull the rug out from underneath you better than any show out there. Although that whole episode had in theory been quite sad, as her relationship and prospects of being a mother ended, we thought that everything would be okay because we were seeing her future great-grandchildren, but then in a single moment the show takes that security net away from us to reveal something unremittingly sad and with no inevitable happy ending.

    Todd’s arc slightly petered out but he remains such a fun presence on the show and his struggles with his asexuality feel like genuinely original subject to tackle on TV and that makes him consistently interesting. 

    Bringing it back to Mr Peanutbutter though, I was initially hesitant about the whole Trump allegory but the show went in unexpected places with it. By a few episodes it was clear that the show had no real interest in doing some on the nose Trump critique and instead the arc became about his relationship with Diane and highlighted how tragically incompatible they are at times.

    The plot and flashbacks with Bojack’s mom were the season’s most viscerally depressing stuff. At times it felt like it was almost too much but the show found inventive and creative ways of telling this horribly sad story. It was an important story to tell as well because I think in the past I felt that the whole Bojack had a tragic past was a bit cliched. It has become a habit of modern TV and film to give dislikable characters horrible childhoods to make them more likable, but by giving his mother a full and tragic arc as well it gave a richness of meaning to previous flashbacks of Bojack childhood.

    The final moments of Time’s Arrow seemingly mark the first time a male figure has ever treated her with compassion, as Bojack comforts her, admittedly with lies, but nonetheless does something that no one else in his family history had the generosity to do.

    Taking a step back I’m interested by pieces by the likes of Matt Zoller Seitz claiming this to be the best season of the show. I’m not sure I agree, but I think this might be the most complete season of the show, even if the third maybe hit me that bit harder at times. Yet I also suspect that when I rewatch this season it might just ascend to the top of my season rankings. 

    The Long Distance Dissonace (10x24)

    If you haven’t watched, SPOILERS ahead!!!

    This is not the typical review/summary I usually do. This is more a venting platform and some random thoughts on this episode. Please note I am unspoiled so I have not had the time to process things that most of the spoiled fandom may have had time to process so I apologize for my feels which are everywhere right now.

    1. I will say right of the bat that in terms of comedic value, this episode was gold. It had a very funny script, the plot made way for lots of funny zingers and the cast was spot on in their acting for these scenes. It may very well be one of the funniest episodes they’ve had. That being said, for the Shamy shippers, it may have caused some angst that made it hard to enjoy the comedy here.

    2. Shamy flirting through their video chat is adorable. They are totally both flirting and Sheldon is going for it too. Notice Sheldon called Amy naughty again. 

    3. As soon as I saw Ramona entering the cafeteria with Sheldon, I started to freak out. Because I knew she was up to no good. But I was more surprised that Sheldon would even entertain a “friendship” with her especially on the terms they ended last time. It just doesn’t seem in character for me and they never mentioned any reason for there to be this kind of time spent between them voluntarily. Can the writers at least make and effort and come with an excuse like that they had to work together on something? A “toblerone” isn’t enough.

    4. Amy skyping with Sheldon and finding out about Ramona broke my heart. She was strong and kept it together although she was obviously jealous. She doesn’t argue with him because she knows how clueless Sheldon can be in these matters. I will say I am glad she found out thru him and not thru other people. It shows Sheldon had no intention of being deceiving. 

    5. Sassy Amy arguing with Penny and Bernie was freaking hilarious. “I GAVE YOU ONE JOB. KEEP AN EYE ON HIM. HOW HARD IS THAT?” Mayim is awesome per usual in this scene. (Can the academy just give her the Emmy she deserves, damn it?) Best line all episode came here… 

    I’ve been smacking that ketchup bottle for a long time. All she’s gotta do its tip it over and point it at her fries.

    So while I was nervous for Shamy, I also just about wet myself with that line. 

    6. Why would Sheldon bring Ramona to dinner with the gang? And why would he bring her to their apartment? It’s just inconceivable and out of character to me! The man who wouldn’t allow a woman in his room would allow a woman he hasn’t seen in years into his apartment. Come on, Sheldon? You are naive in some ways but you are also smart. This is the man that was concerned Penny would cheat on Leonard while he was away at North Sea. (S7E2). He should know at least a little bit.

    7. The shamy shipping gang was all of us. It was awesome to see the whole gang banding together to protect Sheldon and Amy’s relationship. They were all of us. Bernie wedging herself between Sheldon and Ramona was AWESOME because I was about to throw a fit when I saw that bitch sitting in Amy’s spot. (Sorry for the B word but WTH?) Thank you for your service, Bernie. 

    Nice save with the whole gang walking Ramona to her car, OMG!!!! It was so over the top it had me laughing out loud. Then Bernie once again with her sweet voice “excuse me”, followed shortly by Penny. Good on the girls to mark Amy’s territory and good on the whole gang who was truly concerned. They really care about Amy and Shamy’s relationship and that feels good to have everyone so invested.

    8. We go to commercial break and I’m thinking we are almost at the end of the episode and have made it safely thru the season finale. Then we get back with Ramona bringing sandwiches to Sheldon’s office. Okay… Penny’s talk must have stuck with Sheldon but I think he refused to believe the obvious.

    Are you seeking a romantic relationship with me? 

    He has obvious doubts about the whole thing and has given Penny’s word some more thought. He starts naming the reason why that would create some problems; one that they are colleagues and two, he is currently in a relationship… He did have time to say this and that to me is important because it shows that Sheldon was willing to defend his relationship. BUT she kissed him…

    And something in me about died. I cannot believe this is happening and I reacted much like the audience. Because Shamy are not your typical relationship and they have really guarded themselves against all this typical relationship crap so I can’t be okay with this. I also felt horrible for Sheldon because his face became dazed, he never closed his eyes while it happened and he is not exposed or used to this interaction with females, just Amy. So now I’m feeling like I’m about to puke because on one hand, he didn’t deserve this but on the other hand, he kind of brought it upon himself and should have known better. Sorry guys but come on Sheldon…

    He was silent and stunned. I just saw him walking further and further away from Ramona and I had the feeling he would go to Amy because as I’ve said before, Amy is his safe place. I didn’t expect anything else but to him show up at Amy’s, kissing her and telling her he missed her and loved her. And that would have made it better for me. 

    The three famous Sheldon knocks, Amy, Amy, Amy… and our favorite girl, too precious for this world, reacts surprised to hear her true love’s voice. Like me, she wasn’t expecting what would happen. Lo and behold she opens the door to a beautiful sight; Sheldon on one knee with the ring we have been waiting to see for 2 seasons now. The sight was beautiful because Jim Parsons was able to convey honest love and admiration as Sheldon for Amy in every single face muscle and the perfection and sincerity of his soulful eyes. And my heart dropped because I know he loves her so much. And I did gasp so loud I could probably be heard 5 houses down because I waited so long for this.

    But something was lost and sacrificed in the process. I also felt sad that Amy didn’t know. And felt sorry that Sheldon may be doing this for the wrong reasons and upset he waited for this to happen to take this step.  The loveliness of their sweet relationship was tampered with. You see, this couple has taken every step with caution and care. Amy has waited a long time for this. Sheldon has come a long way. This moment didn’t need to be any part of Ramona’s sick interference. It was gratuitous and unnecessary of the writers. Because this is not the kind of story Amy deserved to tell her children… “I was away for a few months and your father befriended a woman who ended up overstepping her boundaries. Your father realized how much he loved me after she kissed him and he proposed to me.”

    It’s ridiculous because we all know what Amy means to Sheldon and he has known that he loves her a long time. He could have very well given her the ring last episode which was beautiful. But it felt to me the writers wanted to have a cliffhanger or a hook. And that they did, leaving us a whole summer with questions of how Amy will react once she knows what happens. Will she say yes not knowing and then find out and be sad and mad or even call it off? Will she say no because she realizes something is not right about the whole thing? We don’t know. But there are my mixed feelings about all of this and in order to survive hiatus, I will just have to reset my memory to episode 23 and not think about this one because it will drive me insane.

    Sorry for the rant. I may change my mind but this is how I feel right now. Some honorable mentions:

    •  I’m glad we saw Stuart again. As always he is pathetically awesome. 
    • Great to see the Amy and Penny drawing again. I wonder how Amy ended up keeping it?
    • Nice to see the cafeteria. Howie’s lines were so funny.
    • Penny trying to explain to Sheldon. “Amy has already taken me ut of my package and played with me”. Yes she has. And you’re right Sheldon, Lenny needs a marriage cousnelor. Glad someone said it. 
    • Where the hell is baby Halley? Should I call the Department for Children’s Welfare?
    • Lenny: “You got fingers and a mouth, you call her.” / “You got feet and legs you do it.” LOL!
    • Poor Raj… smh.

    I’m out of hiding so you will see me around more. :) Ryl.

    Underneath - Arrow Music Notes 5x20

    Chase traps Oliver and Felicity in the bunker which forces many emotions to bubble to the surface.  Important conversations and relationships usually mean beautiful and powerful music and this episode was no exception.  The Flashbacks also explored Felicity and Oliver’s time between seasons with a return of a few beloved themes.  (Spoiler alert: this is going to be very Olicity focused.  There are one or two major Oliver moments and a few other brief moments for the other characters but most of this review is about Olicity.  So for the few of you who are not Olicity fans but love the music enough to deal with my bias…go ahead at your own risk.  You have been warned)

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    dear @marcguggenheim,

    I know you think you gave us very strong powerful female characters on Arrow and Legends of tomorrow, and you did, I don’t deny it, but no where near to what it should have been and to what you gave the male characters. Female fighters are there just for one episode, just for the fight scenes and then they are gone. There are just there to be cool, look cool, fight in an action scene and then leave, because the show is about the male characters and their relationship drama.
    Where are their own villains, their own side kick, their families, the stories how they protect innocent people, and all this not on the background, or in one line or one show, but like a real story, so we can really invest in it.
    Why is Dinah Drake a one line character, why there was never a scene where she learns who Laurel was or who is Black Siren. Why didn’t we had one more centric episode for her. No real build up to the moment she receives the code name.
    Why Nyssa and Talia shared just one scene, why can’t we see more sisters dynamic on the show.
    Why Sara Lance had to die so Laurel take her path, why not having Sara Lance train her own sister in season 3. 
    Why not Sara Lance flashbacks, Canary creation and training in the League of assassins.

    Why in the crossover episode where we had Laurel back it was more about her and Oliver again, a man that never loved her, than about her and her sister.

    Why did Thea never had the chance to revenge herself against Malcolm, a man that violated her in so many levels, but he had to sacrifice himself for her so she can cry for him. 

    Why female fighters are weakened in comparison the the male heroes.
    Nyssa al Gul was supposed to be better fighter than Malcolm and Oliver. Black Canary should be able to kick Green Arrow’s ass.
    She is not his sidekick or team member, she is a leader. Why is the show so afraid of a female superhero next to the male. Why the name Dinah Laurel was given to a mere love interest and a lawyer, instead of to the fighter, survivor, protector of women. 
    Why in the crossover episode we had none a single meaningful interaction between White Canary and Supergirl - the two big female heroes.
    Why White Canary was not considered to be the leader of the operation when she was the leader of the Legends.
    Why Vixen was not even introduced to Flash and Green Arrow as the grandmother of Marie.

    In comparisson to the points I’ve made here is what the show really showed us:
    - a lot of Rene back ground and personal life, bonding with Diggle, Lance and Curtis and nothing for Dinah or Evelyn in season 5 of Arrow. We never saw Evelyn flashback of her parents dying, why she hates the Green Arrow. We never saw more of Dinah Drake and what being part of this team means for her, what the name Canary means. Why not seeing a picture of Sara and Laurel and Lance telling her their story. But we had a lot of Lance and Rene scenes.

    - Malcolm and Oliver in episode 5x22 having quite the similar dynamic as in season 4, instead of al Gul sisters.
    - Disconnected from the main story villain like Kovar instead of Talia al Gul
    - In season three we had another male super hero Atom, Roy as a side kick and Laurel being the weakest Black Canary, instead of having the strong female super hero - Canary training her sister.

    - Laurel Lance was killed for no real reason and not even in a battle, but as a victim. She felt more like Quentin’s supporting character than he being her supporting character. He should have been the father figure dying to inspire his daughter heroism, the same as Robert Queen sacrificing himself for his son and insuring he becomes hero.

    - in the crossover as a more personal aspect we had a lot of Barry Allen drama, Cisco drama, Stain drama, Wally drama, Oliver drama, and a glimpse of Sara’s grief over her sister. 
    - in Legends of tomorrow when Rip Hunter was the captain we had so many personal aspect of the character, we had his flashbacks, his mother,
    his grief over his family was presented in more than one episode, he had so many centric episodes, while when Sara Lance became captain she remained
    with the same amount of screen time and very little glimpse of her personal grief and feelings. Instead we should have seen her nightmares, dreams and struggles to over come the death of her sister. Something we saw for Rip.

    So as a whole you did not do your job right writing female superheroes if they do not share the equal importance, development, struggles, pain and depth as their male counterparts, but they are just there for a small cool scenes. I want more Dinah Drake and Sara Lance on Legends and Arrow, and more of the other female super heroes too. When you write female characters focus on their personalities, not on the impact they will have on same male character. They are more than just love interests, female’s motives are not connected with some guy all the time. For example Felicity Smoak joining Helix was not supposed to be because of Oliver, Billy or who ever guy she loved at the time, but because she is a hacker in her character, she loves solving puzzles, these people felt like family to her, they did things the way only she as a hacker and they can understand. Got it ;)

    Yuri on Ice: On “Love” and what it means.

    So, I’d like to take some time to address how Yuri on Ice handles the concept of “love” within the context of the characters’ interactions, mainly Yuuri and Victor, but also in regard to everyone else. It seems like ever since episode 4 when Victor proclaimed that being tough on Yuuri was “how he showed his love”, the word “love” has been thrown around left and right without a second thought. So when Yuuri refers to “Victor’s love” or Victor refers to “showing his love”, what exactly does it mean? Is it romantic love? Sexual love? Friend love? Familial love? Love of the sport shared by coach and pupil? I think it’s both a combination of all and none of those at the same time. It’s something wholly unique that is actually really difficult to pin down. Let’s start at the beginning. 

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    anonymous asked:

    (1/2) Related to your recent post: I swear, sometimes I feel like Kubo must often be thinking of an earlier version of YOI that was much more focused on the Yuri/Yuuri rivalry, a version we never saw, because she always focuses *so much* on their relationship in interviews, and how they constantly fuel and drive and feed off of each other, and seems to especially talk about Yuuri practically being fixated on some kind of strange 'sometimes friends sometimes rivals' intense connection there...

    (2/2) and I’m always just like ??? Literally where was that on screen?! We saw *none* of that, Yuuri hardly gives any thought to Yuri over the course of the show at all- even Yuuri and Victor’s VAs responded to a question about what their chars. think of Yuri with something like ‘I don’t think they really think about him much at all to be honest’. It’s just such a weird dissonance between how she talks about the connection between Yuri and Yuuri, and how they were portrayed in the show

    I love this conspiracy theory 

    Seriously though, you’re so right, anon. And so is @angryfishtrap with what they say here

    This dissonance is part of a series of oddities in Kubo’s interviews and how she talks about canon. Sometimes it feels like she’s describing a completely different series, and it’s particularly apparent when she’s talking about Yurio. 

    Contrast how Sayo conceptualized YOI from the very beginning (as far back as 2010) to be about the bond between a Japanese skater and a foreign coach, with how Kubo seems much more focused in the (in canon one-sided) rivalry between Yurio and Yuuri and how she keeps dismissing the importance of Victuuri moments.

    And it’s not simply that Sayo had just this vague concept by the time she met Kubo. Kubo herself said that Yuuri and Victor’s concepts (roles in the story and personalities) had already been created before she came into the project. They were the whole starting point. On the other hand, Kubo created Yurio. It’s not that much of a stretch to say she would be particularly attached to him. 

    “(…)But after our first overseas research trip, the very first character I came up with was Yurio. Now that I think about it, the influence of anime from the latter half of the 1980’s pulsates strongly within me. Since that time, I’ve kind of liked brazen/cheeky characters with blond hair and blue eyes. So, since I was getting my hands into an anime original, I felt that I might as well go back to my roots and revive the characters I loved back then… In some ways, Yurio was born from entities that had become like my own flesh and blood, so he was very easy to write.” (x)

    Kubo also keeps drawing attention to the Yuuri-Yurio rivalry and talking about it like it was the core relationship of the series when that’s really not what was shown on-screen. I’m reminded of when Yuri on Ice was first announced, it was said to be “the story of the two Yuris”, so much so that people interpreted the title to be about the both of them. But watching the series, not only is the title theory proven wrong in episode 4, but you quickly understand that Yuuri is the protagonist (even with Yurio + Victor being main characters too), and while Yurio is important and they do influence each other, Yurio is much more focused on Yuuri than vice-versa. Consider how Yuuri reacts in episode 4 when Yuko is giving him updated on Yurio.

    He’s barely interested. And it’s not like he doesn’t care about Yurio - he clearly does - it’s just that, well Yuuri has more things going on in his life to worry about than his self-proclaimed 15 year old rival. According to Kubo though, he shouldn’t have. 

    To me, these two quotes from Kubo say everything about her view on this (x):

    “I had a hard time drawing the relationship between Yuuri and Yurio. Especially Yurio, I think he’s easy to grasp as a character and I was sure he would become popular, but for the same reason it was difficult to make him unpredictable. I wanted to depict him and Yuuri as rivals, however figure skating is mostly a battle against yourself, a sport where you fight to pursue your personal best, and after their direct confrontation in episode 3 they also become physically separated, so I was careful about the balance when making them think of each other.”

    “(…)It was for the purpose of reinforcing the fated connection between Yuuri and Yurio, and to consequently cause the viewers to want to cheer on Yuuri in the Grand Prix Final. However, at the same time the bond between Yuuri and Victor became deeper and deeper, and as I couldn’t really find enough place to put the spotlight on the rivarly with Yurio eventually Yurio stopped moving inside my storyboard, to my surprise. In that sense, I had to struggle to depict Yuuri and Yurio’s relationship until the end.” 

    “Fated connection” is really not something that was there in canon. At all. But Kubo seems to think this was a thing, and she says she struggled to keep depicting it until the very end. She really wanted them to be rivals, but it really wasn’t happening in canon. Yurio thought it was, but he’s 15 and angry and hurt over Victor leaving and doesn’t know how to deal with his emotions. But Yuuri? Yuuri is fighting himself and people’s expectations of him. And even for Yurio, later we have characters like JJ and Otabek that do a much better job at being a rival to him than Yuuri ever did.

    It’s very interesting to think about the Victor part though because yeah, even in canon, Victor is constantly overshadowing Yurio when it comes to what Yuuri is thinking about. Meanwhile, Yurio is very much focused on Yuuri (and Victor). Let’s look at episode 4 again. When the assignments are out for the Grand Prix events, Yurio doesn’t ask for his own, he asks for Yuuri’s.

    Yuuri meanwhile? Doesn’t ask about Yurio at all. He does think about him briefly when learning they will face-off in Russia…then immediatly focuses his attention on Victor. 

    And then you have Kubo saying things like this

    “I wanted viewers to remember “Hasetsu” as a place where Yuuri and Yurio could spend some carefree time” (x)

    “I believe that, beside Victor, Yurio’s existence was also important in strengthening Yuuri’s feelings that he couldn’t end like that” (x)

    “From Yuuri’s point of view it looks like Yurio suddenly has this new friend Otabek, and I think that he’d probably get really frustrated realizing that even if he’s not on the rink anymore Yurio will still be able to make other friends and rivals. Halfway through the story I often thought “Katsuki-san, aren’t you disregarding Yurio a bit too much?” (LOL)” (x)

    So yes, it really feels like Kubo was much more interested in the Yuuri-Yurio dynamic and in Yurio overall.

    I’m still 100% convinced that episode 12 was changed from what it was originally supposed to be. We can’t really know how those changes came about and why. But considering Sayo is a very busy person, considering Kubo has said she struggled with episode 12 the most to get scenes “right”, and considering episode 12 has that ridiculous sudden focus on the Yuuri-Yurio relationship to the point where it becomes the driving forces for Yuuri to decide to keep skating (contradicting Yuuri’s entire monologue during his FS btw), and everything Kubo has ever said in interviews about Yurio and the Yuuri-Yurio relationship…she was probably heavily involved in that episode, yes.

    A study in Trench-Coat

    I wasn’t on board on the Castiel’s Trench-Coat discussion until this moment.

    I was tagged by the lovely @gneisscastiel in this post about how the famous TrenchCoat become a symbol of Castiel’s ‘angel uniform’.

    I probably never participated before on this topic of discussion, or mention a formal opinion, mainly because I kind of agree with the anon in the mentioned post.

    What if for Castiel this coat has no meaning other that being a part of the complete suit he chose to wear. Maybe is because Jimmy Novak was wearing the famous Trench-coat the first time he said yes to Castiel when he was only a celestial entity. So the wardrobe of an Angel´s vessel is like a default feature that they can’t avoid, and really don’t care.

    Although, @bluestar86 explained flawlessly all the symbolism and real meaning in the Castiel psyche or Subconscient. So my first opinion has adapted in trying to discover what does really Castiel thinks/likes about this piece of clothing. In the mentioned post, are several and key elements about the importance and carefully choosing of the vestment for the cast in Supernatural and its basic symbolism for each character.
    I love how the post analyze exclusively the coat and its performance as kind of a sidekick, explained from Cas’s POV. And how is always present when Castiel has his grace and wings, even if both are faded and/or broken, he still being an angel.

    SPN 07x17 -  The Born again Identity 

    I believe that, and you can call this my HeadCanon, the importance or main symbolism about the coat that Castiel learn to appreciate. Comes from the fact of how was delivered and carefully returned by Dean in this episode .

    Before that, the coat was just a part of the vessel. As Cas explained about  being an angel, he “will never perspire under any circumstance” so he will also will not experienced the cold. Therefore the real and useful propose for this trench-coat loses any meaning or practical importance.

    When Chuck brought him back twice, it was like the snap of his fingers reassembled and broken vase containing petunias, and as the wish of the master of this universe was to “put together” this vase. He effectively reassemble the broken vase, gathered the water and didn’t care if the petunias were already dead or started to rot, he just put the whole vase together.

    The objective for the reassembled of Castiel was to bring him “as it was before”.

    Maybe because this is how Castiel saw himself as a whole. This image that is so iconic of him with this sometimes beloved and hideous piece of clothing, is the self-image that Castiel came to build in his mind as human representation of and Angel wearing a human vessel. In a way, he also saw reflected his rebellious decisions post Season 4, as an element that differentiated and separated him from his, at that time “brothers”, whom were never observed wearing this type of coat or color.

    That was until Dean gave a deep meaning to this garment when he returned it. This was just a piece of fabric until that moment for Cas. When it was so carefully delivered, and as he tried to understood Dean’s sentiment of why he keeped this dirty and old trench-coat, when he return this coat like a precious item to Castiel. From that point, Cas took this old piece of rag as a vital protection to cover his “persona”. This self-image that he learned to manifest while trying to understand the emotions and sentiment that Dean Winchester transmitted him. First because this was the physical manifestation of the role and importance that Cas assumed as being part of the Winchester’s family.

    This kind of relationships are built first through friendship and deep feelings of caring. This I believe was the main symbolism that Cas put in this famous coat. Precisely in this moment:

    In that occasion,witnessing this act of caring for this dirty garment plus the way it was preserved for him, just as he left it, and the way Dean deliver it to him. Was the anchor Cas needed for really care for this old rag.

    Later, this classic coat had to be changed because of his transition from angel to human, and back again to angel. As the mentioned post at the beginning observed, the Tench-Coat become in a symbol of Castiel’s ‘angel uniform’ and this is accepted as canon for the fandom.

    But what about the sentiment that Cas could have for the old and dismissed coat that he tossed when he became a human. Maybe he thought this condition will be permanent, that is why he choose to just let it go, because his true meaning was already lost  if he will no longer could be an angel again.

    The interesting and discovery for me, was to realize how and why he choose the hideous current coat, that only has the resemblance of the old because of his symbolic function and “similar” color.

    The current sack of potatoes wasn’t a random decision of this Seraph with 3 sets of wings whose true voice could make a build crumble and be destroyed from its foundations. The ex-commander of a celestial garrison made this poor choice of garment, guided by the familiarity of the original one. The resemblance of color, the altogether function in all this “physical persona” that he hopes will be wearing for long. Exactly what he need to use, so he can be recognized always by his  hunter. As a wavelength, Castiel’s True!Form is basically a blinding beam of light, easily to mistake with the sun or any other source of pure light.

    For Cas, wearing any sign that portraits the original presence that first met with Dean Winchester in that barn is vital. In his “mind”, Dean will always recognize him as this: “Holy Tax Accountant” that he met 9 human years ago. “I will dress like this so you can always know this is me, so you can always be able to find me" I think it resonates in Cas’s mind.

    So, for Castiel physical/human persona, this trench-coat is his True!Form identifier of the vessel that he choose to wear years ago, and from which he was brutally expelled in front of Dean.
    Now that there is an imminent possibility that Castiel’s body will be burn. The burning of the Trench-Coat, if Dean allows it, will be a key factor in resolving the actual mystery of Which Castiel will return, once he resolved several issues with himself in The Empty.

    I wold like to think that the Trench-Coat has to go Pronto!, so new beginnings as is the promise of this season may allowed to happen, in the overall arc of the show, and at last but not least new promises and openly identifiable meanings could happen between this two. (drying a little shiper tear of happiness :’D)

    Thank you @gneisscastiel for inspire this inner dialog, so I can reach this HeadCanon, and this accidental Favorite Destiel Moment.

    Why I think Klance is going to be canon.

    No I’m not writing this because I’m a die hard fan, who wants this ship to become canon. I mean it would be awesome if the ship became reality don’t get me wrong. But I’m content if it never became canon, because that won’t stop me from loving it.

    This was inspired by a post made by @farmlandtensions
    heres the post==>
    They look into the significance of the number 6 in Voltron Legendary defender. Where most Klance moments have appeared in the series.

    The first part in this is going over the Klance moments of the series, then it will move onto the actual semblance of the number 6, and its relation to Keith and Lances relationship.

    Season 1 Episode 6, happens after episodes 4 and 5. Where in episode 4, Lance saves Coran and takes the hit of the explosion, and in episode 5 takes place on the Balmera. In episode 4, we get that iconic moment between Lance and Keith. Skip to episode 6, it starts with Lance in the healing pod, and Keith becoming impatient, most likely ridden with worry for lance. Later we see him and Lance talk about their little “bonding moment” with the “I cradled you in my arms!” from Keith.

    Again Later on the planet where we meet Rolo, Nyma, and Beezer, when Keith gets Lances Lion back, they have a cute teasing moment. farmlandtensions goes into more details with the scenery on the moon and lighting being a significance to Lance and Keith’s character.
    In season 2 episode 6, the most significant Klance moment is when Keith and Allura are on their way to help the others, Lance asks Keith if Alluras with him, then proceeds to follow up with him asking, “ Like "with you” with you, or– “. Some may take it as him asking if Alluras still single, but it could also mean it’s him asking if Keith is still single.

    Then move to Season 3, where the Klance part of the fandom practically exploded because of all the material the season provided us. The 6th episode of the season held the most significance to their relationship and character development. Where Lance opens up to Keith about his usefulness on the team. Though not delving into the issue that deeply, he still opened up, to Keith of all people on the ship. Again, Lance wasn’t seeking comfort initially, he wanted to actually talk to Keith about the whole Lion arrangement between him, Keith and Shiro. He is willing to step down so Keith can have Red back, and so Allura can stay with Blue, because he feels they are better for each other. The way he words that statement, actually adds more evidence to his low self confidence as a valuable member of the team. Keith immediately tells him, that don’t worry about who flies which lion, and to focus on the missions. This in a way is Keith telling him that it’s okay he’s piloting red now, and that he won’t need to worry about the whole "who’s gonna pilot Black now that Shiro’s back?” problem.
    Lance turns to leave, not feeling all the way satisfied, but accepting it nonetheless. Keith then Tells Lance to “Leave the math to Pidge.” as a way of helping Lance feel better, Lance does smile at Keith’s attempt of comfort, and leaves. Later in the episode, when they are fighting Lotor’s Generals, we see moments where Keith and Lance are having eachothers back. The first being where Keith sprints to assist Lance who was just hit and knocked off his feet. Then the second being when Lance shoots a knife that was about to hit his head, and smiles softly at Lance, and gets distracted which never happens when he’s in action.
    Now, to the importance of the number 6. In farmlandtensions post, they hypothesize that a lot of Klance importance is going to occur in season 6 episode 6. Ergo, they getting together. And it is plausible given the evidence present to us thus far. But I'ma add onto that, because the number 6, holds so much meaning that it’s scary how accurate it is.

    According to, it says this about the number 6. “While the 6 is considered the most harmonious of all single-digit numbers, it is not without its flaws and upsets. The most important influence of the 6 is its loving and caring nature. Properly nicknamed the motherhood number, it is all about sacrificing, caring, healing, protecting and teaching others. No family or community can function without the power of the 6 to keep them together and safe. She is the glue that keeps a family or community together.”
    Sounds a lot like Lance doesn’t it? Lance clearly has a Family-oriented trait, he loves his family and his friends, who he considers as his second family. The thing that tipped me off the most in this paragraph, is its mention in sacrifice. We have already seen a moment where Lance in a way sacrifices himself to save someone, that someone being Coran in season 1 episode 4. He almost died from the explosion, but luckily the team was able to get the castle up and running in time to get Lance in a pod. This quote also mentions how the number 6 is the glue that keeps the family or community together, in this case the team. Lance doesn’t realize how important he actually is to the team, they care about him, and he is the one that keeps an enthusiastic atmosphere in the castle.
    It is shown throughout many moments in the series he is used as a comic relief to help with the tense themes of the show, but that’s just proof to who he is on the team. Imagine how it would be like if Lance were not there. Pretty tense right? Considering how Allura was/is when she pushing the paladins into forming Voltron on the beginning. She is still like that, but not as sharp. Keith doesn’t really know how to keep the atmosphere up without making it awkward, and it’s not in his character to do things in that manner. Pidge is too focused on finding Matt and her dad to care about the atmosphere. Hunk, though being an incredible cook, is too tense when it comes to things such as lightening the mood to a brighter perspective. and Shiro has his own demons he’s trying to live with, along with leading the team. So everyone but Lance doesn’t have the means of helping in tense surroundings. Lance proves his worth when he’s there to comfort Keith when he’s mourning over their loss of Shiro, and he’s a mediator of sorts to Keith when he’s being reckless, thus earning his spot as Voltrons right hand.
    Theres also another form to the number 6 that deals with the negatives.
    “There are, however, times when the 6 becomes too involved in the lives of those dear to her, to the point that she becomes intrusive and meddling. Other times, she takes her sacrificing nature too far and becomes a doormat to be abused and trampled on. Nonetheless, she is genuinely appreciated and adored in return. For this reason, the 6 is considered the only number harmonious with all other numbers. Creating an environment of peace and harmony is always her strongest impulse. In addition, she loves to teach and guide others, especially the young, old and less fortunate.”
    The first thing mentioned here is how the number 6 can become to involved in those who are dear to it. Lance does this with Keith a lot, but he masks it as a ravelry. There are other instances where he is nosy throughout the series. Like in episode 1, when he and Hunk tail Pidge to the roof. And this is a stretch, but is season 2 episode 4, when Keith was asking Coran if any Galra had visited Earth before, trying to figure out his past. And Lance shows up from his room to confront Keith about why he was asking about Blue. It’s possible that Lance had been eavesdropping on Coran and Keith’s discussion then jumped in.
    The quote mentions sacrifice again, though there haven’t been many moments showing how Lance is willing to sacrifice himself, it does add to his low self confidence and his belief that he is expendable, and replaceable. The quote says that 6 is appreciated and adored for their sacrifices, but the team don’t really do that much, and as a result Lance feels like he’s useless because he doesn’t realize what and who he really is to the team. Which brings me to the point I fear most, I’ve come across posts stating Jeremy Shada said that Lance is going to die, and given all the points I’ve stated, it appears to be true. But I don’t think he’ll actually die, I think we might get a scare like in the first season but it’s way more tense, or think he’s dead and he comes back. But I think in that moment where Lance “dies” It’s going to be the pinnacle in Keith and Lances relationship. I don’t think it’ll start a romantic relationship, but it’ll nudge them both on the path where they do eventually get to that stage.

    The thought of Lance dying kills me so much, but it will be a very drastic moment for his character. Especially with all the foreshadowing and hints that he is going down that path. He willing to sacrifice himself for the others, and believes he is replaceable despite how horribly wrong he is.

    What do you guys think. It’s scary how this number is literally telling us what may happen to Lance, and how it is significant to his and Keith’s relationship.

    wow this is long o3o

    2x12 You Are Not Your Own Review

    Whole Episode Review

    So much great stuff.
    So many problems.
    So much promise that Shadowhunters is determined to be better than the books.

    So much evidence that they might not understand what the initial problems in the book were.

    I’m not one of those people who reacts to characters like they are real people, or about the writers “treating a character like that” as though the plot actually happened to a real person. Doing something terrible to a character, or having a character do something awful is not “disrespecting” them— if you deal with the consequences of those plot points and use them to make a plot move forward, instead of just dropping them and running along to the next thing. If a plot point is just a thing that happens, then yeah, it’s a disservice to the character, but you can do really terrible shit to a character if you build it into something interesting plotwise and create character growth from it.

    I’m not sure I trust Shadowhunters to accomplish that right now.

    Shadowhunters entire premise is based on there being a whole magic world, where Shadowhunters are at the top, and downworlders are underneath them. There are laws in place that are supposed to guarantee some freedom and equality, and everyone knows they are bullshit, but the Shadowhunters don’t care. There’s a villain who embodies the worst of Shadowhunter supremacy ideals… but the Shadowhunters hate him because he killed a bunch of Shadowhunters, not because he threatens the downworld.

    The narrative they are trying to push, is that their lead characters, Clary, Jace, Isabelle and Alec, are aware of and against the unfair treatment and oppression of the downworld and in favor of a fairer and more inclusive world. Especially Clary, who as a character from outside the world doesn’t have their ingrained prejudices.

    But the writers are failing to a degree that almost seems intentional in the first two episodes.

    The Problems:

    1. Please Pay No Mind To The Pile Of Dead Downworlders Behind the Curtain

    Valentine murdered downworlders en mass inside an Institute and the only time a Shadowhunter has mentioned it is Alec telling Jace that it isn’t his fault. Imogen was brought in to interrogate and torture Valentine— to get the mortal cup back. There has been no nod whatsoever to the Clave attempting to reach out to the downworld. Acknowledge the massacre, assure the leaders of the downworld that they didn’t know the mortal sword had the power to slaughter downworlders. When they bring up that Clary deactivated the sword? It’s done with annoyance that stupid Clary broke the Truth Magic.

    Even Luke and Maia’s scene, where Maia is upset that most of the pack got rolled off the Institute floor and probably onto a truck to be dropped into the Hudson for all anyone seems to give a damn, gives Luke the less than compelling emotional reaction of “Meh, more wolves where those losers came from, my nosy gay partner is annoying me right now.”

    The show did something catastrophic to a population that it explicitly uses to represent oppressed people, and sidestepped dealing with it further than wringing a Malec moment out of it. There is no emotional impact to dozens (hundred? We don’t know) of dead downworlders.

    Everyone of the main Shadowhunter characters (except Jace) is in or has been in a significant romantic relationship with a downworlder, and none of them seem to be thinking about the impact of this massacre in any larger way either.

    2. Business as Usual, Side of Evil

    Shadowhunters encourage torture. Mundanes call that a war crime, but it’s whatever! Imogen tortures Valentine for information about the Mortal Cup. Imogen wants him dead because he won’t give up the mortal cup. The Clave wants him alive because he might give up the mortal cup if they just keep torturing him.

    And then Clary McWhiteSavior handwaves all the torture and dark shit going on in the basement of the building she lives in, because Imogen lost her family… in a warrior culture, where people die all the time and most people lost a lot of family 15 years ago. When Imogen tells Alec that the Clave won’t let her kill Valentine, but she’s going to do it anyway… Alec is concerned… but concerned like a Republican senator, where he’s shocked and dismayed… but isn’t going to do shit about it (other than guard the door until it turns out that maybe it is his body-swapped boyfriend after all).

    I get that Valentine is essentially the Shadow world equivalent of a White Supremacist. If he were burning crosses in Mississippi instead of… being menacing on a boat carousel?(seriously, Shadowhunters, figure out your damn aesthetic) I wouldn’t really give a damn about him getting a little bit mysteriously dead during a security tape fritz. (Except of course I would, because those sorts of “mechanical failures” only ever function to excuse the deaths of non-white people, and let killer cops back out on the street. That’s the actual pattern.)

    But the Law is the Law. Shadowhunters are supposed to be dispensers of cold justice in strict accordance with ancient tradition. Having Imogen go rogue like that, and DRAG ALEC, ONE OF THE OFFICIAL GOOD GUYS along with her, and at no point have the plot acknowledge that she went off the rails is ludicrous. Even Casserole Clam managed to fit that part in. In the books Imogen breaks the Law to torture Jace, and the narrative kills her for it. It’s not okay for Shadowhunters to just walk away from that point, especially after tying a main character up in the mess.

    3. Must Be This White or Male Not To Be An Addict

    Season 1 Izzy was the youngest forensic pathologist in New York, a formidable fighter, a loving sister, a good friend, and a total badass. Season 2 Izzy is a frail drug addict who has yet to deliver a line to a man who isn’t playing savior or trying to bone her, or both! She is also the only non-white Shadowhunter from Clary’s stupid pre-credit intro monologue and she’s completely lost control of her sexual and romantic agency (Technically I know Alec has to be Latino… but Matthew Daddario isn’t so I think the point still stands).

    Izzy and Meliorn had a relationship lacking the romangst that characterizes everyone else’s smooching time, but that seemed perfectly healthy and functional. Izzy even got to save him from the evil Clave imprisoning him with no evidence in a place that would kill him (remember when that became important in the story? Neither do I, must have gotten cut for more time for Jace and Clary to say sibling words over and over again in case we didn’t hear them the first time) but now she’s drug denning with Raphael until he turns her out in the street to save her life, and then she’s being saved by the mysterious blonde english boy who takes her home to save her life, and she doesn’t think it’s fair for Alec to not like Sebastian just because Alec wishes that he had been the one to save her life. Even Simon, who I have basically no qualms with, gets a scene where he gets to give her information about addiction and be respectful of what she might be needing in recovery, and has family experience and doesn’t judge her.

    And it might have seemed sweet if Isabelle’s story line hadn’t stripped her of everything that was cool about her in season 1.  

    Gag. Choke. Barf.

    4. I Feel Like You Want Me To Think Boy-Touching is Gross

    Remember all the hand holding and closeness and casual intimacy between Magnus and Alec in 2A?

    No. Cause it wasn’t there.

    Other than the greeting kiss in 2x11, every time Alec has touched Magnus like they are two people who are in love and are having and enjoying sex with each other,  it was actually Valentine, and the camera focused on Valentine being super weirded out by it. When it was Magnus touching Alec in Valentine’s body the disgust made sense in the context… but with everything else going on in that plot there’s still a yuck factor to the touch that makes the fact that the only time Alec and Magnus are together, in their own bodies, there is too much hurt and distance for them to touch each other.

    5. And Like… I Don’t Want Homophobia in Fiction But…

    What is going on culturally with Alec Lightwood The Only Gay Shadowhunter? No one mentions it, no one brings it up. And it would be a really good thing to explore in the current cultural moment. Homophobia (and racism) can be present without being overt. It can affect people’s lives and careers, even with everyone putting on an accepting face.

    It could be something that forces Alec to think a little bit more about the wisdom of the Clave, and maybe make him think a little bit about how he was raised to think about downworlders. It would move him out of the dominant culture of his world into a weird gray space where he could learn. Because they gave him the impetus for that in Aldertrees “I loved a werewolf as though she was a person but it turns out she was just a downworlder” speech.

    If Jenji Kohan suddenly took over as show runner, it might even be interesting to see Alec learn how not to be a White Gay ManTM, like the assholes joining facist movements because they think their sexuality gives them an excuse to hate Muslims, or the rotten toenail fungus suing the Alamo for hosting an all women screening of Wonder Woman because he can’t handle not being welcome in a space for women when he could go see the fucking moving anywhere else in Texas. (What an asshat).

    6. And Since I Brought Up Disrespect

    Again, doing bad things to characters isn’t disrespect.

    But patterns in the writing for certain characters is.

    1. Why is Izzy a pathetic damsel now, repeating the same experience, and the same fucking lines over and over again?

    2. Why do Clary and Simon get greeting make outs and Alec and Magnus don’t? Why have we seen Clary and Jace dive into passionate full body kisses with a wide enough lens to see their bodies pressed together and not gotten the same for Magnus and Alec? Why have we gotten a cutesy morning after scene for Clary and Simon, and not gotten anything similar for Magnus and Alec, even in an episode where their fist time having sex was a B plot?

    3. Why is Izzy always being put in the position where sex is being exchanged for something? (She goes off to have sex with Meliorn when they all need a backway into the hotel Dumort. Her attempts to get a bite from Raphael are all highly sexualized. Aldertree offered Izzy Yinfen in exchange for “dinner”.

    4. Why is it that in the two sex scenes we’ve seen with people fully or mostly nude (Jace and the Seelie girl and Izzy and Meliorn) the woman is so much more sexualized than the man? And why have we only seen this much skin in these casual sexual relationships and not in the main romantic pairings?

    5. Why has Clary  never listened to anyone, and never had to experience any real consequences for her actions (with the exception of getting thrown into a rape cage at Iris’s after trying to bring her mother back from the dead). Why does she keep saying she cares about downworlders (and always downworlders of color) and then fucking them over and forgetting about them? She tased Luke, for fuck’s sake, and went on her merry way like a fucking sociopath. 

    While Watching Thoughts

    • Azazel is a good small arc villain. Sinister and handsome and powerful.
    • Kat Mcnammara is actually good at this cutes-y romcom shit. It comes across much more genuine than everything else she’s asked to do…but somehow it makes me hate Clary more. I like my female leads smart enough to realize that maybe Simon being a Daylighter is super rare, and maybe could mean trouble and maybe there’s a reason for Simon to be jumpy (Vote 1 of this reaction post for Maia as main character)
    • UUUUGGGGHHHH remember season 1 Izzy, who occasionally  did something other than make doe eyes at men who were actively harming her while she credited them with saving her life?
    • I would like to see Clary, Jace and Isabelle’s willingness to bring Sebastian onboard obviously tied to him being a Shadowhunter. It would make a lot of the anti-downworld stuff coming up pop more and give Clary’s character something to actually work with going forward– “He’s a shadowhunter, I’m a shadowhunter, we are part of the shadowhunter club, my mom is dead and my father is evil and jace isn’t my brother, so shadowhunters are my FAMILY”
    • Valentine trying to do magic is great, Harry’s changed physicality doing Valentine is great. I wish the next day makeup made more sense.
    • I can’t tell if it’s sweet or needy that Alec marches directly to Magnus’s apartment after that phone call, especially since there was a huge fucking massacre and then they made him summon a greater demon that nearly killed them all?
    • Umm… okay with the matrix shot.
    • It’s…not awesome that the most affectionate touch we’ve seen Magnus and Alec have is when it’s being used to freak out Valentine.
    • Goddamnit Clary. Could you listen for just one fucking time? If only so I don’t have to hear you whine about it when the consequences fuck you over.
    • Interesting that Valentine thinks to call Dorothea.
    • I hope they make this Imogene the Sadist thing go somewhere
    • Please let this be the end of this fucking druggie storyline
    • Simon is sweet. He would have been a much better main character than Clary. Imagine, instead of this love-struck white girl— witty Jewish boy who deeply cares about people actually like… fucking notices the problems in the Shadow world society. Actually cares. Actually brings it up to the people around him other than just when he needs their help for stuff. (Remembers that Luke is basically his Dad)
    • This scene makes me wish that Valentine wasn’t the most boring fucking villain. I had no idea Alan was a good actor cause his character is such a mildly menacing blank space. His face when Alec shoves him away. His Magnus voice.
    • This is not the worst way to introduce the Herondale thing… but I don’t  want this Imogene/Clary scene.
    • Oh hey- Simon caring about someone again. Caring about the guy who has threatened him multiple times because Isabelle humanized him. Hmmm…. What an interesting trait in a main character brought into a repressive society against their will. Hmmm.
    • I like Alec trusting Jace with what just happened to him.
    • I don’t think Magnus actually calls Alec Alexander this often.
    • Haha. Valentine faking magic.
    • I hate gratuitous torture scenes. I gave up on Supernatural after the Samandriel thing. This had better be fucking moving toward a point. About the Clave being Nazis.
    • Please let this episode be the last I need to hear about the incest plot
    • Whoa. Raphael. This is the only time I’ve ever liked Raphael a little bit.
    • Oh good. Isabelle being a junkie is a plot point again.
    • Simon! So Stupid! Don’t wave it at everyone!
    • Luke knows he’s everyone’s dad.
    • Again. Make this Imogen thing do something.
    • Alec… isn’t really going to allow this to happen is he? Not just because it might be Magnus… but because he’s supposed to respect the rules. And like… there should be too much doubt in his mind to go this far. Especially with the weird phone call and visit earlier.
    • Ooohhoooo This is much better reveal of Jace’s parentage than the books. Buuuuttttt…. Imogen believes the Magnus/Valentine switch with way less evidence than Magnus gave Alec. Not great.
    • I wonder if this Herondale reveal reads as total left field bullshit if you haven’t read the books? 
    • Magic has to be harder than that.
    • Good point Alec. You are now here with the untrained shadowhunter and the random dude who according to his own story, just went rogue. There are real shadowhunters at the institute, where are they.
    • Ooohhh, Alan got that magnus-move down really well. It’s too bad he has to go back to being a frowny face with a overwrought backstory.
    • I feel bad for Kat that she got cast to be a cute red head and now that they have real money to work with they can afford people as talented as Alisha and Will. She can’t keep up.
    • Magnus must be a better fighter than that. What the hell was that?
    • Like… are they going to talk about the fact that Magnus’s first thought at every point has been protecting people… and Alec is a Shadowhunter… who was just going to guard the door while his boss tortured a prisoner? That’s some dark shit. And it sort of carves Alec down to just another Shadowhunter… another in a long line of the monsters who have hunted Magnus and his friends for centuries. How could Magnus have thought he would be different? Is it naive for him to really have believed that it was possible to love a Shadowhunter?
    • Alberto could have chemistry with a ketchup stain
    • Oh good. More incest. I was so very worried we might go four fucking seconds without it.
    • Is Jace just… hanging out and petting a sword?
    • So… did Imogen storm into Magnus’s and demand jewelry, probably without apologizing him for the torture and unlawful imprisonment? (Of course she did. Did Alec Say anything?)
    • We aren’t going to deal with the irony in her statement about what’s good and right… when she was all tortury and rogue murdery? We’re gonna let that go? Okay then. 
    Th1rteen R3asons Why: Prepare to Be Obsessed.


    I thought for this recap/review  I would stick to the theme with 13 reasons of my own.

    13 reasons why I LOVED  (or Not Loved) THIS SHOW (and BOOK)

    The Loved List

    1. The Cast - Katherine Langford (Hannah) is amazing (some Aussie pride over here!) and I feel she does total justice to the lead character, she made it completely believable and relatable.  I also loved seeing Ross Butler (Zach) in another role, as I already love him as Reggie in The CWs Riverdale! Only wish we could’ve seen more of him. It’s always an honour to have Kate Walsh (Hannah’s mom) grace the screen, I’ve been a fan since Private Practice. I felt that all the cast were perfectly chosen and brought their characters stories to life in a magical way. I couldn’t imagine any of the roles with another actor. They were amazing and a great fresh young cast who I am sure will soon be taking Hollywood by storm! 

    2. The Narrative Format - I absolutely LOVE Jay Asher’s narrative concept for this story. The tapes, the voice, the whole idea and concept just adds to the whole kind of ‘thrilling’ feeling which perfectly suits the haunting story of Hannah Baker. I think it’s an extremely unique narrative and it works so well with this particular theme and topic by adding so much more depth and emotion to the story. I don’t reckon that such an important and serious theme could’ve been addressed half as well or as appropriately with any other narrative. It worked perfectly together.

    3. The Storylines - The storylines are all fabulous. The book and main storyline about the suicide of Hannah Baker and what lead her to her decision is something I think is extremely important to tell in today’s society with teen depression and cases of teen suicide scarily on the rise and being one  of the leading causes for teen death. It’s haunting, it’s honest, it’s raw, and most importantly it’s so damn real.  Also the individual story for each ‘character’ / ‘tape’ / ‘episode’ are so incredible. Each character has their own unique storyline of how they fitted into Hannah’s life and became a part of her final decision. Most of the stories were exceptionally well suited to their respective character , but some of them left me sad as I really expected more from those characters (especially Zach & Justin but more on them later). Having said that though, it was all fitting to the main story, and wouldn’t have been the same otherwise.

    4. The Characters - All of the characters were relatable and wonderfully portrayed. One of my favourite characters was Zach -  mainly because he is played by Ross Butler, but I honestly think he was one of the nicer guys and I really feel like Hannah could’ve come to a different outcome if she’d given him more of chance instead of just brushing him off - but I do also understand she had her reasons for reacting the way she did. I really enjoyed watching each character’s story unfold through out this series as they each had an extremely unique and definite personality, and story. Justin was a character I also enjoyed as I could really feel his pain, and I think he was not a bad guy, but his life lead him to make a couple of bad decisions himself. Everyone has their own demons that they’re battling against and I think that this show perfectly portrays this how all of us are dealing with our own personal issues which cause things to work out the way they do. (I love how the show focuses on each of the characters and also explores the aftermath of how listening to the tapes affected each of their lives (whereas the book only really concentrates on Clays thoughts as he is listening to the tapes and doesn’t really give us much background into the other characters, the show really gives us insight into each of their personal lives and their relationships with one another).

    5. The Interweaving -  I also loved seeing in the show how each of the characters were connected to one another and how their relationships are affected by the demise of Hannah. Of course all of them have played some part in her final decision and it’s heartbreaking for them to realise the consequences of what they had done, even though for most of them it was unintentional. They now also become connected by all their secrets as the 13 of them are now fully aware of the secrets of each other and they have to work together to try and keep Hannah’s accusations and their guilt from going ‘public’ which they’re all afraid the ‘stand up, good guy’ , Clay might do - as even Hannah admits - ‘one of these things is not like the others’ and Clay in a sense doesn’t really belong on the list - but I guess Hannah feels she owes him a kind of explanation.

    6. The Acting -  The acting is mostly brilliant in this show. I have to give special recognition to the actor Justin Prentice in this segment as I think he did a phenomenal job. Justin Prentice played the character of ‘Bryce Walker’ who is basically the ‘villain’ of the season, he is pig headed and absolutely disgusting , typical jock type guy with less than ZERO respect for women (and his friends) who thinks his money can buy him out of any problem and get him whatever he wantes. He honestly had me HATING him at the end of this show, and I had developed kind of a personal vendetta against him wishing he’d been the one who was dead in Hannah’s stead. Only a few days later I was watching an interview (13 reasons why: beyond the reasons - special available on Netflix under trailers and more) and I realised - ‘Crap. Like he’s (Prentice) a hot, genuinely cool guy. Bryce is just a character.’ He explained how hard it was to bring this character to life. It was a real challenge as it would’ve I’m sure hit a few nerves and touched on a LOT of raw emotions, and sensitive issues. So major props to him for creating such a believable character!

    7. Tony & His Mustang -  Tony, played by Christian Navarro, is like half the reason to love this show. Man, Tony is just so effortlessly suave and sexy (but sorry ladies - he’s gay!) and he just happens to continuously appear at the right place and at the right time. I love his kind of mysterious, guardian angel aura that portrays on the show as he follows Clay around and supports him as he tries to get through listening to the tapes. Not that he needs another reason to be sexier but he drives and adores his vintage, red MUSTANG! Dayum! (I’m not sure if I loved Tony or the ‘Mustang’ more to be honest haha) …. He was a major part of the shows success and It wouldn’t have been half as incredible without him in it. 

    8.The Messages-  I think that all in all the message that this show tells is one of EXTREME importance : It needs to be heard. It raises awareness of a very important issue which should not be hushed out and kept silent. It’s a shout out to a number of groups too. To Depressed Teens : SILENCE IS NOT STRENGTH!!! PLEASE. PLEASE. PLEASE. OPEN UP TO SOMEONE. If you’re thinking sad, depressive and suicidal thoughts, don’t keep them bottled up inside your mind, speak about them, say them out loud, admit your feelings don’t hide them away from those around you. People can’t help you if they don’t know what’s going on inside your head. Some one will always be willing to listen. You just have to speak to the right person. To Teenagers (Humans) in general : DON’T BE AN A**HOLE. You never know how what you do may affect some one and slowly be chipping away at their identity. Be kind. Show Respect! and LISTEN. Read between the lines, be there for people, and provide a ‘safe space’ and an opportunity for them to reach out. Don’t ignore subtle hints! Take EVERYTHING seriously, let them know they are loved. Let them know you CARE! To Adults , Parents and Councellors. Be PRESENT. Be AVAILABLE. Don’t undermine their feelings. If something is troubling them - it’s troubling them for a valid reason - don’t make them feel silly, or like they are over reacting. If they are upset they HAVE THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO FEEL THE WAY THEY DO. Help them overcome it, help them deal with it and remember: the worst thing you can tell someone who is hurting is to ‘MOVE ON’. Their emotions are ALWAYS justified - don’t disrespect their feelings by minimising them. To EVERYONE - whatever we say or do can affect someone else in ways we could never know or imagine. Pay attention to how you treat others! 

    The Not so Loved List

    8.  The Sexist Themes - I really was affected by the sexism portrayed especially as it’s not just a show and / or story - this is happening IN REAL LIFE. Boys today (and I’m sorry for generalising here, I admit I know it’s not all of you, I know there are still stand-up, genuine gentlemen somewhere out there, they just happen to be the exception rather than the rule these days) have such a little, if any respect for the female body. In this show particularly, it’s as if the girls are viewed as a trophy or a plaything and nothing more - they are not treated as respected, independent, strong individuals - but rather they (girls) are expected to just be taken advantage of allow the boys to ‘take’ their own pleasure from them ( I say this because of two separate rape incidents within this story where the girls did NOT give consent and yet the boys went ahead anyway taking advantage of the vulnerability). Girls are viewed a prize or possession something which can be owned and just because they ‘have the hottest ass’ or the ‘best lips’ now every guy has the ‘right’ (sarcasm here) to just grab the ass, or make out with her whenever he feels like it. It’s absolute rubbish. Any guy who thinks like this is madly flawed in his reasoning - under NO CIRCUMSTANCE should a girl EVER BE TOUCHED UNLESS SHE HAS GRANTED HIS PERMISSION TO DO SO. (And the same goes for guys! Girls shouldn’t throw themselves over them unless the attraction and desire is MUTUALLY acknowledged). It’s a two way thing and BOTH PARTIES involved should have an EQUAL say! Mutual respect is important in any relationship. It doesn’t take much longer to take the time to say, ‘this is what we’re about to do? Is that okay with you?’ make them feel secure and supported.

    9.  The Teenage Stupidity -  I was horrified once again by the realisation that this is how teenagers actually treat eachother. More than just in the book or series this is REAL LIFE. It’s so sad to think about how stupid, and naive and unintentional actions can have such harsh, and permanent consequences. I am so glad I am no longer in high school right now - if I had to see these things going on around me I’d be crushed. When did our generation become so cruel? so uncaring? This is not the kind of future we want to raise our kids into .. is it? Let’s get some respect and healthy relationships back into fashion. Let’s raise our girls to be strong, confident, loving and trusting and our boys to be protective, caring, kind and respectful. We are the future and it starts with us! Let’s not just ignore overlook the seriousness of these issues. BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE WORLD, have a little chat with the (WO)MAN in the MIRROR!

    10. The Selfishness - There are more than one areas where I felt selfishness could’ve been avoided and Hannah’s story could’ve had a different outcome. First instance is with the other characters - each of them performed selfish actions (Alex selfishly wrote the list to make himself feel better and get his revenge on Jess, Ryan selfishly published Hannah’s private poem, Bryce, Marcus and Tyler all used Hannah to selfishly satisfy themselves in their own ways). Second instance is Hannah herself - she was extremely selfish in her final decision. Suicide is a selfish choice, and a selfish action. I know it may sound cruel and harsh - but it’s true. When you decide to take your own life, it’s something you want to do to end your pain because you feel that you can’t go on with life anymore. But do you stop to think about those who are left behind? After you’re gone - they’re the ones who will be left struggling with the aftermath, with a hole in their hearts and an emptiness in their life because of what you CHOSE to do. It’s always a choice. Another interesting point brought out in the special is that suicide of a friend / classmate can affect people so much that it often drives another person to suicide. (As happened in this show when Alex also shoots himself in the end). It’s heartbreaking for those left behind, and do you really want to make your loved ones suffer a pain worse than what you yourself has been going through? Especially if you haven’t really given them the chance to help you overcome what ever it is you are facing.

    11. The Lack of Support -  I was especially disappointed in Hannah’s parents, Mr. Porter and Hannah’s “Peer Communications” class and teacher. All of these groups had a chance to support / help Hannah. She tried to talk to her parents, but because they were so worried about the business all the time, she felt like she would only be burdening them unnecessarily, she thought she was strong enough to do it without them, and they were too distracted to notice that she was going through some really rough things. They didn’t make themselves available and Hannah didn’t feel like she could talk to them.  Hannah made a reach out to her ‘Peer Communications’ class in the anonymous discussion bag with a note about suicidal thoughts but the class laughed it off, and thought it was some one looking for attention, the teacher didn’t realise it was actually a cry for help (but in all fairness Hannah refused to come forward - so what was she expected to do?). Hannah however did come forward and try to reach out to Mr. Porter, the school councellor, after she was raped by Bryce and what did he tell her ‘If she didn’t want to report it, or confront him, Bryce would be leaving the school in a few months and her best option was to ‘move on’.’ What an absolute disgrace!! It’s no wonder he became the 13th Reason why! She said in so many words that she just ‘Wanted life to stop’ but he didn’t take her seriously enough and that same day she went home and did what she felt was the only thing she could. 

    12. Clay - I found myself getting annoyed with Clay ALOT through out the series (he was a little less irritating in the book) … He felt like a weak, pointless character other than being the one to deliver the contents of the tapes to us. I felt like he didn’t have much depth, or wasn’t all to interesting to watch. He was trying to fight the tapes instead of just listening to them and getting the full story for Hannah. Luckily Tony (the hero of the story) was there to set him straight at every turn. I do like the fact that Clay stood up to Mr. Porter at the end as he so wisely said ‘It’s got to change. The way we treat each other.’ I did also respect that he was probably the only guy spotlighted in the series that didn’t try to take advantage of Hannah.

    13. Hannah’s Choice(s) - This may seem a little unfair and I know Hannah had her reasons for her final choice, and I understand why she felt like she had to do what she did, I do, but I also think that there were a few instances where she could’ve made a different choice and all in all this could’ve lead to a very different outcome for her. In a sense I feel that she set herself up for failure. She made choices which allowed her to justify her decision.  One mistake I think Hannah made was not giving Zach a chance, I might be wrong here, and maybe he would’ve used her like all the other guys, but he seemed genuinely concerned for her after Marcus’ stunt! She made him look like a fool in front of everyone and then expected him to stand up for her when she ‘tried’ to call out for help? Maybe if she’d just given him a chance and opened up to him when they were in good standing he might have been able to hear her cry for help and respond accordingly. Another missed opportunity was that with Clay - when they were making out at the party she asked him to stop she felt the hurt from all the accusations against her reputation up until that point. He listened, he respected her , he stopped. He was confused, he asked her what was going on, she could’ve broken down and opened up to him then, but what did she do? She pushed him away. She chased him out. If she’d opened up to him, if they’d begun a relationship, she could’ve regained her self-respect and she wouldn’t probably have found herself in a shady situation with Bryce. Bring me to her third mistake NOT REPORTING BRYCE, yes she blamed Mr Porter for telling her ‘move on’ but she did not want to report it or confront Bryce- she didn’t want to see him again. She could’ve and should’ve reported him. She had witnessed Bryce previously rape a barely conscious Jessica (and Justin had seen too)  and if she’d paired up with them they could’ve taken him down and found peace. But Jessica didn’t even know, Justin covered for Bryce and Hannah never told Jessica the truth or confronted either of them until the tapes. If she’d spoken sooner, the outcome could’ve been a different one.

    Anyways an AMAZING story completely haunting, gripping and thought provoking! Definitely recommended!!! Even the points on my NOT SO LOVED LIST made the story what it is - and I wouldn’t have changed a single thing - as if Hannah’s story were any different it wouldn’t leave such an important lesson for every single one of us!

    anonymous asked:

    No, people are upset because "The lone wolf dies, but the pack survives" is a quote that had a deep impact in Arya, who has been trying to find her pack through all her arc. People are upset because now Sansa stans can steal something else from Arya besides Nymeria, or her relationship with Jon, or her resemblance to Lyanna. That's why people are upset.

    I’m warning you, this is going to be another long post… sorry about that but I hope you’ll read it until the end :)

    And before I start I need to say 2 things:

    1. everything I’ll say is my personal opinion, feel free to disagree but I’m not interested to start an argument with anyone… if anyone want to reply do it politely;
    2. if you can’t be polite and will be rude or share more hate on Sansa I will ignore you

    As I said in my previous post no one is denying that A.ry.a wanted to create her “pack” since she escaped KL, it’s one thing that her heart desires most.

    I think her need to belong in a “pack” it showed only to a certain degree in the show but in the books her POV chapters show so well how alone she is and that she wants to be part of a pack/family, especially when she dreams/wargs into Nymeria and is with her direwolf pack.

    That said, using the word “steal” like you and other fans did it’s too much, it’s an exaggerated claim and yes… it’s annoying and it’s full of hate for Sansa.


    Because like I said the Starks keep quoting each other since forever but as far as I’m aware this is the first time that a Stark is accused of stealing a catchphrase from another Stark.

    And your problem (I’m not saying your personal problem but more in general the problem with the fans that are accusing Sansa) is not that you are upset because someone “stole” something from A.ry.a, it’s that you can’t stand Sansa and you take every opportunity to belittle and share hate on Sansa… and that’s the reason why I said that comments are annoying and no offense to anyone but I’ll add that they are also boring since they are always the same and people keep sharing them in Sansa tag.

    The best evidence that what happened is just another opportunity to share hate on Sansa is that no one accused Jon of stealing part of A.ry.a storyline for using the same quote… and A.ry.a fans had a year to do it but no one did it.

    Where were A.ry.a defenders when that happened?

    I’m not crazy to say Jon “stole” A.ry.a storyline, I’m just using A.ry.a fans reasoning.

    To make my point clear I’m going to share this quote from episode 1x03

    Ned: You were born in the long summer. You’ve never known anything else. But now winter is truly coming. And in the winter, we must protect ourselves, look after one another. Sansa is your sister.

    A.ry.a: I don’t hate her. Not really.

    Ned: I don’t want to frighten you, but I won’t lie to you either. We’ve come to a dangerous place. We cannot fight a war amongst ourselves. All right? Go on.

    It’s a little different in the book so I’ll share that version too:

    Ned: Let me tell you something about wolves, child. When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives. Summer is the time for squabbles. In winter, we must protect one another, keep each other warm, share our strengths. So if you must hate, A.ry.a, hate those who would truly do us harm. Septa Mordane is a good woman, and Sansa … Sansa is your sister”

    So we have

    • a show version: And in the winter, we must protect ourselves, look after one another
    • and a book version: When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.

    slightly different but both are said by NED.

    We also have these parts, that are from the same quote

    • show version: We cannot fight a war amongst ourselves.
    • book version: In winter, we must protect one another, keep each other warm, share our strengths.

    slightly different but both are said by NED

    I shared both book and show versions because it doesn’t matter if you are only a show viewer or a show viewer and a book reader we can say with certainty that that was NEVER A.ry.a quote.

    A.ry.a cherished her father words and the deep meaning of his words became something that she must achieve to have a family once again but that doesn’t mean that she is the only Stark entitled to quote Ned… he had 6 children (only 4 alive now) and everyone of them has the same license to quote him whenever they want.

    Now let’s move on to the part where Jon “stole” A.ry.a storyline.

    Episode 6x10

    Jon:We need to trust each other. We cannot fight a war amongst ourselves. We have so many enemies now.

    Did you see it?


    It’s exactly the same quote, even the part about the enemies/those who would truly do us harm.

    Where were A.ry.a fans when Jon “stole her quote”?

    Why did no one say anything about this?

    Let’s be honest, the only reason why no one said anything about episode 6x10 and Jon is because no one “stole” anything from anyone.

    GoT is a show that it’s full of catchphrases, it’s why internet is so full of theories and parallels… how many parallels do you think are posted just on tumblr?

    The problem with the quote in the trailer it’s that A.ry.a fans are blinded by their dislike for Sansa so much that not only they are ignoring the way the writers tell us the story since the beginning ( using catchphrases to create parallels) but they are also applying different standards between Jon and Sansa to express their dislike/hate for Sansa… and at the risk of sounding repetitive like I said that’s irritating.

    It’s pretty clear that A.ry.a fans conveniently ignored that quote in episode 6x10 because they don’t hate Jon but are so upset now because they hate Sansa.

    I don’t even need to think a lot about why A.ry.a fans are so upset that they start an useless theory about how Sansa “stole” from A.ry.a a quote that was not even A.ry.a quote, you said it yourself:

    they are upset because they think Sansa will “steal something else”… like A.ry.a relationship with Jon.

    I may be wrong on this but I think the words that you used “steal something else” in your post are connected to the universal belief among A.ry.a fans that Sansa “stole” A.ry.a storyline in season 5 and 6 because she was not supposed to be in Winterfell with Ramsey or to go to Castle Black and met Jon before A.ry.a.

    I already said what I think about this matter in another post but since that was another long post I’ll just copy/paste what I said about this topic there… the infamous Jeyne Poole’s storyline.

    I read books readers comments saying that Sansa stole A.ry.a’s storyline but I think “stole” is an exaggerated word to use for a show that is BASED on the books and also it’s a wrong word to use when I’m pretty sure D&D have rights to be free in their writing.

    I’m not saying that it’s not sad that they changed somethings but the hate on this matter is too harsh and most important the writers GAVE Sansa Jeyne Poole’s storyline and that as nothing to do with the real A.ry.a.

    Jon may think the girl in the books is A.ry.a but readers know it’s not A.ry.a, that’s just a red herring and I think even Jon will know it soon enough in the books.

    Anyway some people write in a way that it almost looks like D&D committed a sin in writing their version of this story without thinking that:

    1. they have copyrights to write a story BASED on the books, so they are free to not show us the same identical story if they need to change things for time, money or other reasons;
    2. they knew how the story will end since long ago and therefore what they write it’s all important to reach that ending, the same ending that the books will have… if they will ever be finished.

    I think that if you start to watch a show that is “based” on a book you need to have an open mind to possible changes… books and movies have different ways to show things so it’s impossible that there won’t be changes.

    I have an open mind and I accept the fact that books and show are telling two slightly different versions of the same story but they will eventually reach the same conclusion… it’s the easier way to not hate one of them and enjoy both.

    So, that explain why I don’t think Sansa “stole” A.ry.a storyline in season 5 ( that wasn’t even A.ry.a storyline) and since there are no more books available I’m going to believe, until proven otherwise, that Sansa was always supposed to be the girl in grey on a dying horse that will reach Jon at Castle Black… in other words Sansa didn’t “steal” anyone storyline in season 6 either.

    Sorry but I’m not sure what I can say about Nymeria because honestly I don’t see how Sansa will be able to “steal” Nymeria so I don’t know what to say about this other than: this idea is hilarious.

    Nymeria is not an hypothetical storyline that fans want, she is a part of A.ry.a so it doesn’t make sense to even hypothetically think something like that possible.

    I don’t want to sound rude but if A.ry.a fans thinks D&D will break a deep bond like the one between a Stark and his/her direwolf I think they should rewatch the show from season 1 again.

    I know D&D don’t like direwolves as much as they like dragons but that few times when they used direwolves they show that the Stark are deeply bonded with them.

    Lastly about A.ry.a resemblance to Lyanna I have to disagree with you once again that Sansa will “steal” that too… G.R.R. Martin GAVE Sansa some resemblance to Lyanna.

    Not a physical or behavioral resemblance but their stories are somehow similar.

    I’m not going to write a meta about this since I already wrote so much and even if I don’t remember who wrote them but I know I saw some parallels around about this so I’ll just wrote the first 2 things I think tell us there is a resemblance between Sansa and Lyanna:

    Lyanna was betrothed to a Baratheon that was not right for her

    Sansa was betrothed to a Baratheon that was not right for her

    Lyanna was an hostage in the South while her family fought a war in the Riverlands

    Sansa was an hostage in the South while her family fought a war in the Riverlands

    So to recap, my opinions on Sansa “stealing” from A.ry.a:

    • A Stark “stealing” a catchphrase from another Stark is a paradox in a show full of parallels;
    • That quote was not A.ry.a quote so Sansa didn’t “steal” anything from her;
    • A.ry.a fans apply different standards if suitable to share hate on Sansa;
    • D&D giving Jeyne Poole’s storyline to Sansa is not “stealing” from A.ry.a since all book readers know Jeyne Poole is just a red herring;
    • since the show is BASED on the books I’m open minded to enjoy D&D writing even if they change things;
    • I have no idea how A.ry.a fans think possible Sansa will “steal” Nymeria;
    • G.R.R. Martin wrote some resemblances between Sansa and Lyanna, not as many as with A.ry.a, but I don’t think they are in a competition about who resemblance Lyanna more.