how the irish became white

White History Month

A Caucasian co-worker and I(Yup! The same one from the last post. Go figure.) were discussing why there should or shouldn’t be a “White History Month”. Nevermind the fact that EVERY MONTH is White History month. But I decided to humor him and play along…

“There should be White History Month” so we can expose all the evil things white folks have done in history and present that still affect the victims and their descendants till this very day like:

1 Cherokee Trail of Tears
2 Japanese American internment
3 Philippine-American War
4 Jim Crow
5 The genocide of Native Americans
6 Transatlantic slave trade, and the lies that Africans sold other Africans into slavery
7 The Middle Passage
8 The history of White American racism
9 Black Codes
10 Slave patrols
11 Ku Klux Klan
12 The War on Drugs
13 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo
14 How white racism grew out of slavery and genocide
15 How whites still benefit from slavery and genocide
16 White anti-racism
17 The Southern strategy
18 The rape of enslaved women
19 Madison Grant
20 The Indian Wars
21 Human zoos
22 How the Jews became white
23 White flight
24 Redlining
25 Proposition 14
26 Homestead Act
27 Tulsa Riots
28 Rosewood massacre
29 Tuskegee Experiment
30 Lynching
31 Hollywood stereotypes
32 Indian Appropriations Acts
33 Immigration Act of 1924
34 Sundown towns
35 Chinese Exclusion Act
36 Emmett Till
37 Vincent Chin
38 Islamophobia
39 Indian boarding schools
40 King Philip’s War
41 Bacon’s Rebellion
42 American slavery compared to Arab, Roman and Latin American slavery
43 History of the gun
44 History of the police
45 History of prisons
46 History of white suburbia
47 Lincoln’s racism and anti-racism
48 George Wallace Governor of Alabama
49 Cointelpro
50 Real estate steering
51 School tracking
52 Mass incarceration of black men
53 Boston school busing riots
54 Man made Ebola and A.I.D.S.
55 Church Bombings and fires in deep south to Blacks
56 Church Shootings
57 How the Irish and Italians became white
58 The Perpetuation of the idea of the “model minority”
59 Housing discrimination
60 Systematic placement of highways and building projects to create ghettos
61. Medical experimentation on poor poc especially Blacks including surgical and gynecological experimentation
62 History of Planned Parenthood
63 Forced Sterilization
64 Cutting children out of pregnant Black mothers as part of lynchings
65 Eurocentric beauty standard falsification
66 Erasure and eradication of all achievements of Ancient Africa and Kemet
67 White washing of history and cultural practices of poc’s
68 Media manipulation and bias
69 Perpetuation of the myth of reverse racism
70 The history of white cannibalism
71 White fragility
72 White on white crime and white on everybody else crime
73 Irish slavery, Jewish slavery, African slavery, Native American slavery
74 White police officers murdering unarmed men, women, and children and not being convicted for it
75 Population control warfares worldwide
76 Chemtrails
77 Oil spills and chemical dumping in oceans worldwide
78 Water fracking
79 Gmo foods worldwide
80 Monsanto
81 World Wars 1 and 2
82 Wars on indigenous peoples throughout the world
83 Stolen inventions and blueprints from African people and other indigenous people worldwide
84 Steal concepts from cultures worldwide and then corrupt it
85 Mass murders and massacres worldwide
86 Eugenics and the history of sterilization of poc and history of fetal abortions worldwide
87. Flint Michigan water poisoning crisis

and too much more….

Yet you all have convinced the world and your delusional selves that melanated human beings “black” people are perceived as dangerous, unruly, racist, uncivilized, thugs, gangsters etc… Yeah ok not according to historical and present day facts.

Needless to say… We don’t have these types of discussions anymore. 😎😉😂

Stacey Dash Says Why No White History Month

There should be White History Month in America. That way we can teach all the things Americans have done in history, like:
1 Cherokee Trail of Tears
2 Japanese American internment
3 Philippine-American War
4 Jim Crow
5 The genocide of Native Americans
6 Transatlantic slave trade
7 The Middle Passage
8 The history of White American racism
9 Black Codes
10 Slave patrols
11 Ku Klux Klan
12 The War on Drugs
13 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo
14 How white racism grew out of slavery and genocide
15 How whites still benefit from slavery and genocide
16 White anti-racism
17 The Southern strategy
18 The rape of enslaved women
19 Madison Grant
20 The Indian Wars
21 Human zoos
22 How the Jews became white
23 White flight
24 Redlining
25 Proposition 14
26 Homestead Act
27 Tulsa Riots
28 Rosewood massacre
29 Tuskegee Experiment
30 Lynching
31 Hollywood stereotypes
32 Indian Appropriations Acts
33 Immigration Act of 1924
34 Sundown towns
35 Chinese Exclusion Act
36 Emmett Till
37 Vincent Chin
38 Islamophobia
39 Indian boarding schools
40 King Philip’s War
41 Bacon’s Rebellion
42 American slavery compared to Arab, Roman and Latin American slavery
43 History of the gun
44 History of the police
45 History of prisons
46 History of white suburbia
47 Lincoln’s racism and anti-racism
48 George Wallace Governor of Alabama
49 Cointelpro
50 Real estate steering
51 School tracking
52 Mass incarceration of black men53 Boston school busing riots
54. Jim Crow
55Church Bombings and fires in deep south to Blacks
56. Church Shootings
57. How the Irish and Italians became white
58. The Perpetuation of the idea of the “model minority”
59. Housing discrimination
60. Systematic placement of highways and building projects to create ghettos
61. Medical experimentation on poor poc especially Blacks including surgical and gynecological experimentation
62. History of Planned Parenthood
63. Forced Sterilization
64. Cutting children out of pregnant Black mothers as part of lynchings
65. Eurocentric beauty standard falsification
66. Erasure and eradication of all achievements of Ancient Africa and Kemet
67. White washing of history and cultural practices of pocs
68. Media manipulation and bias
69. Perpetuation of the myth of reverse racism
70. The history of white cannibalism
71. White fragility
72. Man made Ebola and A.I.D.S.

anonymous asked:

this might sound stupid as hell, but whenever jews say theyre indigenous to palestine, i think okay palestinian jews ofc but the white jews how are they indigenous (just ethnicity wise) to Israel??? theyre white

You’re confusing ethnicity with race. While ethnicity is something that is determined by things like cultural background and place of origin (making it more of a solid concept), race as a descriptor is more of a means of describing a person’s privileges as compared to peoples of other races (especially in the case of determining who is “white”). And much like what was the case how the Irish became white, race can be “gained” depending on the group’s actions in relation to whiteness.

So, someone’s ethnicity does not change no matter how long their diaspora is, and regardless of the fact that most ashkenazi jews are white and they came to Palestine in the spirit of white colonisation and imperialism, it does not erase their ethnicity or their historic background and ties to the land.

anonymous asked:

what do you think about those Irish Americans who constantly feel the need to compare themselves to the struggles of black people in America? And like, claim that they can understand the weight of racism and oppression like we can.

  1. they need to stop (comparing themselves to us)
  2. white irish people jumped at the chance to be considered “real white” and have benefited from that by joining in the subjugation of black people 
  3. their discrimination came from nationality, ours came and still comes from nationality, race, complexion and ethnicity combined.
  4. white irish people are not oppressed any longer and they determined and renounced their right to say as such in discussions of black struggles in america simply because they sided themselves with white people and aided in our oppression.
  5. for white irish people to act as if since they “overcame their oppression” that black people can too, insinuates that they themselves do not consciously or unconsciously perpetuate the oppression of black people with their adoption of whiteness

An article by a black writer in an 1860 edition of the Liberator explained how the Irish ultimately attained their objectives: “Fifteen or twenty years ago, a Catholic priest in Philadelphia said to the Irish people in that city, ‘You are all poor, and chiefly laborers, the blacks are poor laborers; many of the native whites are laborers; now, if you wish to succeed, you must do everything that they do, no matter how degrading, and do it for less than they can afford to do it for.’ The Irish adopted this plan; they lived on less than the Americans could live upon, and worked for less, and the result is, that nearly all the menial employments are monopolized by the Irish, who now get as good prices as anybody. There were other avenues open to American white men, and though they have suffered much, the chief support of the Irish has come from the places from which we have been crowded.”

Once the Irish secured themselves in those jobs, they made sure blacks were kept out. They realized that as long as they continued to work alongside blacks, they would be considered no different. Later, as Irish became prominent in the labor movement, African Americans were excluded from participation. In fact, one of the primary themes of How the Irish Became White is the way in which left labor historians, such as the highly acclaimed Herbert Gutman, have not paid sufficient attention to the problem of race in the development of the labor movement.

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The Irish did not vote Democratic-Republican and then Democratic out of sentimental attachment to those who gave them the vote. The Democratic Party eased their assimilation as whites, and more than any other institution, it taught them the meaning of whiteness. Key to this was the Party’s rejection of nativism.

Strong tendencies existed in antebellum America to consign the Irish, if not to the black race, then to an intermediate race located socially between black and white. Nativism expressed this tendency, and nativism appealed to many artisans who were resentful of immigrants coming into the country. Many craftsmen of the time, and some historians subsequently, have spoken of “low-paid” immigrant (like “cheap” black) labor, as if cheapness were some quality in the labor itself. “American Mechanics” opposed the “great influx of pauper and convict immigration upon our shores.” If, therefore, the Democratic Party decided, after some vacillation, to reject nativism, the decision had far-reaching consequences. Nativism lost out not to the vision of a nonracial society, but to a society polarized between white and black. Part of the project of defeating nativism was to establish an acceptable standard for “white” behavior. Jean Baker has shown how the Democratic Party created the “white vote,” even in areas with few or no black people.

Everywhere, the movement that expand the franchise for whites curtailed it for persons of color. The New York Constitutional Convention of 1821, which broadened the franchise, also introduced, for the first time, an explicit property qualification for black voters, and five years later, when the last serious barriers to white manhood suffrage were lifted, the discriminatory property qualification was retained. In Pennsylvania, neither the 1776 nor the 1790 state constitutions had barred Negroes from voting. In 1822 it was noted that “notwithstanding the laws of Pennsylvania do not forbid it, no blacks vote at elections, at least in the eastern part of the state.”In 1837 and 1838 the disparity between the legal situation and the reality in the state was rectified, as persons of color were formally disenfranchised. During the discussion of the constitutional issues a largely Irish mob expressed its view by burning the abolitionist hall in Philadelphia. At the 1846 New York state constitutional convention, one delegate denounced a proposal to give black men equal suffrage with whites, on the grounds that such a proposal would condemn white immigrants to Negro rule for five years.

The Irish were by no means passively obedient to the official Democratic Party, but even in those cases where Irish and other white radical movements stretched the Jacksonian consensus, they did not challenge, and often reinforced, the white solidarity that underlay it.

—  Noel Ignatiev, How the Irish Became White

bc i can’t let shit like this go….

bc it irritates me to no end

but also bc it leads ppl to pushing some strange theories/notions about race

if u actually look at the sources for scientific racism (which codified and formalized already existing systems of racism), you’ll find that eastern europeans and northern europeans were ALWAYS white.

yes. they were sub-races within white and considered inferior to the ‘nordic’ race (northern and west euros), but still white.

and note: the sources for scientific racism are all european. mainly french, german, with some english.

these are EUROPEAN racial distinctions.

the narrative of 'how italians and irish’ became white, though, is usually something discussed in the colonies, particularly america, where settlement happened primarily from french and england (at the beginning). then other europeans 'immigrated’. and the irish and eastern and southern europeans were discriminated against based on this notion that they were inferior whites

BUT.

how do we know they were STILL WHITE in america?

  1. they could ALWAYS vote
  2. they were citizens (and able to be citizens)
  3. they could own property
  4. they could marry OTHER white ppl (as in, not anti-miscagnation laws)

as in, they were LEGALLY WHITE.

once you really let this sink in, you realize that the narrative of 'becomes white’ is false and it kind of forces u to re-examine how certain gropus ppl claim are following in this path (East Asians and light skin Latin@s) might not actually be.

how does one bc white when the distinction has been remarkably firm over the years?

anonymous asked:

Is it okay to have pride in being white? i notice that poc (including myself) have a lot of pride for who they are. But it might be difficult for white people to be proud because of negative things attached to it (since white pride can correlate to racism) . Which might make it difficult for some to identify as white and sometimes they feel ashamed of themselves. (??) I just had a conversation about it and it lead me to wonder.

  First of all, white pride can absolutely correlate to racism. Understand that pride events for black and brown folk within the US are events to celebrate underrepresented races that have been oppressed and repressed. “White pride” in this sense is a paradox, because white supremacy was and still is a worldwide phenomenon. 

  Second of all, “whiteness” is not something innate. It is a social structure designed to be the top of the racial hierarchy.

  Example: Irish immigrants to the US were not considered white for a very long time. Part of the way they became white was practicing anti-black racism. You can read “How the Irish Became White” for more details.

   Example: antiziganism, which continues to this day.

   Brown and black people, who have been pushed to the bottom of this hierarchy, celebrate pride events in a great part for solidarity.

  And finally, if a white person wants to take pride in their heritage, they can choose to celebrate their specific heritage. If you’re Scottish, for instance, or descended from Scottish people, of course you can celebrate that. It’s completely different from celebrating whiteness.

  Most brown and black people celebrate their own specific heritages too. Vietnamese-Americans and Chinese-Americans are both Asian-American, but have their own separate cultural practices and celebrations. Again, pride events are very often to show solidarity against white supremacy.

 TL; DR: white pride is absolutely tied to racism, but white pride is not the same as having pride in your heritage.

 And finally: this blog is supposed to be a safe space for POC with mental illnesses. I answered this time, but please do not send us these types of questions again. If so, they will be deleted. 

 - L

anonymous asked:

I can't stand it when someone talks about the struggles of blacks and then they go, "well the irish were oppressed too!" but look at the irish now, calling people niggers and sand niggers and setting their houses on fire and telling them to get the fuck out of their irish country. funny

Let’s also not forget how the Irish became “white”. By treating black people like absolute shit. They’re not innocent they degraded us just as bad.

- Susie

787989890998743-deactivated2014  asked:

Shut the fck up about Irish history and discrimination towards irish people because you have clearly NO idea what you are talking about. Speaking as someone who's relations were slaughtered in front of my family in their own home by UK provo's recently because of the fact they were catholic irish, and someone who lives in an area in North Belfast were you can get shot walking down the street because of your nationality. I can't be bothered to explain more to u because you're stupidy is angering

This started with someone saying that I have generalized European people in history as oppressors. Yes, the Irish were oppressed, I have not denied this. I should have specified that in America, the Irish were able to hide under the cloak of “whiteness"and benefit from the system of institutionalized racism. (How the Irish Became White) I should have also specified that the Irish people did not come together to unite for the rights of Native Americans and black people in America. They were instrumental in the persecution of black peoples in Harlem. (Before Harlem: The Black Experience in New York City before World War I)  Even with the Irish religious oppression and discrimination it is still being done at the hands of other  European people. I wish to know the reasoning behind  this slander and negative energy. If you would like to inform me, then inform me, but divert your anger to a more healthier cause. 

_stay safe.