how does anybody not ship this

Does anybody in this fandom ever stop and think...


Originally posted by destielthingsandstuff

Like at what point did this fandom (of the large portion of it) collectively go “you know who should get married…. Dean and Cas!”?

Was it here? 

Originally posted by destielette

Or here?

Originally posted by doctortheduck

Or here? 

Originally posted by inacatastrophicmind

Or…. you know what, I don’t even care! 


Does anybody else have this ONE fic that they always end up rereading? Like no matter how many other fics you read, there’s THE fic. The default fic; the home fic.


Every now and again, when the word “shipping” is mentioned, I want to wave my walking stick, adjust my dentures, and launch into a story about how back in my day, the X-Files fandom invented that word, because it stood for Mulder and Scully’s relationship. And it only applied to them. Scully/Skinner “shippers” were called Skippers, and Scully/Doggett “shippers” Dippers, and then other fandoms ran with it and now I don’t think anyone knows this anymore aND I JUST WANT TO IMPART FANDOM HISTORY TO YOU YOUNG WHIPPERSNAPPERS.

Is anybody else consistently confused by people making weird claims about the fandoms?

Like they say things like I like x ship, but because the fandom all does y thing I can’t enjoy it. And then you are like I have read practically everything on Ao3 about x ship and trawl the tags and community for all the content and y does exist but it’s actually fairly uncommon, but people keep acting like everyone does y constantly?

The easiest one I can think of is when I see people complain about how everyone makes Gabriel Reyes an abusive ass hole in the Reaper76 fandom and I’m like what?

Yes abusive Reaper/Gabriel is definitely a thing, but the majority of the fandom actually tends to treat him as more of a victim than the villain. He was usually right and when the truth comes out he is vindicated. The fandom fucking loves Gabriel Reyes.

So I’m sitting here like, I guess you’ve seen a few things and assumed literally everything in the fandom is the same. It just bothers me every time I see people make these patently false claims and use them to insult people for liking a thing.

Does anybody in this fandom ever stop and think... (pt.2)

(Ok so I know I’ve already made a post for Destiel but I have to know…)


Originally posted by sakkatakki

I get why people thought of shipping ships like Destiel but… I mean…. How did this ship start?!

Like, did people just go…. “Ok Dean and Cas are destined to be together but what about our precious Sammy? He’s got to have someone!”… “You know who would be perfect… GABRIEL!” 

I mean was it the height difference that people liked?

Or the differences in personality?

Or perhaps because they both have long hair?

Originally posted by ifellinlovewithabrokenheart

Help me out here people!!! I must know!!

CW: Home of The Mary Sues Ultimate Edition!

This is the ultimate edition of the CW Mary Sues. The Mary Sueness just doesn’t know when to end with these girls do they?

1. Elena Gilbert (aka Black Hole SuePurity SueSympathetic SueFixer Sue)

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2. Lana Lang (aka Sympathetic Sue/ God-Mode Sue/ Black Hole Sue/ Purity Sue)

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3. Hayley Marshall (aka Jerk Sue/ Anti-Sue/ Black Hole Sue/ Fixer Sue)

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I’m going to be Copying and Pasting each and every trope that these 3 posses that make them Mary Sue characters. BTW here’s the link to the site (

Let’s start with Personality:

What personality? In these cases, it’s fairly blatant that the author is just writing the character for amazing stuff to happen to instead of a character that actually exists as a person. Obviously, this is only a Mary Sue trait if what happens gives the character special powers,fantastic romances, or somehow lets her be a big damned heroine ; otherwise it’s just another faceless first-person perspective.

  • The personality of a Mary Sue — if she has one — is not nearly as important as how other characters react to it. No matter how shy or socially awkward Mary Sue is supposed to be, other characters will be drawn to her and inexplicably prefer her company over that of anyone else. All of her ideas are brilliant, all of her jokes are funny, all of her advice is an amazing breakthrough. People will trust her immediately, or very quickly, and feel more comfortable talking to her than to anyone else (even their own family or their significant other), even if she hasn’t done or said anything to make them feel that way about her.
  • If another character doesn’t feel this way about Mary Sue, it’s usually to portray them as either bad or just an idiot.
  • Mary Sue doesn’t have to actually do anything to be considered a good person—she just is good. By extension, anything she does is good, and even when she does nothing she brings more good into the world simply by existing than any other character ever could. Goodness just seems to seep out of her body like radiation.

All 3 of them suffer from bland personalities, and are praised for being brave, amazing, compassionate, etc. Here are some examples:

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  • Highly persuasive, regardless of the actual content of the conversations. Everyone finds her opinions are just better than their own — even when they’re usually stubborn bastards. This is especially likely in an Author Tract.
  • Is either brave and cheerful (despite her pastnot unheard of in real life, but with Sues it tends to come across as Angst? What Angst?) — or unnecessarily mopey and depressed.
  • Friend to All Living Things. It’s becoming gradually less common as authors catch on to the Mary Sue Classicframework.
  • She loves everyone and forgives them all for their imperfections. Plus she is willing to save, protect or risk all for the sake of someone she has met just seconds ago.
  • Occasionally a complete asshole, especially when she’s supposed to be all of the above. Nobody will call her out on her abrasive, casually abusive behavior. Strong badass characters who would normally rip someone’s spleen out for squeezing the toothpaste from the wrong end, are instantly cowed and become meek, spineless Wangst factories as soon as she “puts them in their place.”
  • Full-on Jerk Sues will routinely be flippant, snide, and rude, yet will be treated as a charmingly sarcastic character. They will flout authority as a matter of course and never suffer the consequences. Even if said authority figure is known for a tough stance on disrespect, they will either gamely ignore the Sue’s challenge to their authority, or—worse still—praise her for her “cheekiness” or “boldness.”

Now that (Jerk Sue) applies more to Hayley:

Her “major flaws” will be stubbornness and a bad temper. These will only ever help her, never hurt her — because she’s always right, so whatever cause she dedicates herself to with such stubbornness will be a good cause, and whoever she loses her temper with will deserve it.

  • Sometimes they’ll mess her up once so she can learn an important lesson. And then they’ll help her for the rest of the story.
  • A character who’s described as being blunt to the point of rudeness or tactlessness will be praised for being “refreshingly honest” or for “telling it like it is.” Only the bad guys or other unsympathetic characters will ever say, “What a bitch.”
  • If she has any flaws intentionally written in by the creator, expect them to be Informed or not really flaws to begin with. Bonus points if they’re genuine flaws that would actually be pretty awesome were it not for their drawbacks (e.g. substance abuse, nymphomania, etc.), and of course the drawbacks will never be shown.

This one relates more to Elena when Julie Plec stated that Elena’s only flaw was that “she cared too much.”

Let’s move onto Skills:

I mean… I have to pull up the gifs:

BTW, in one of the gifs Hayley is pregnant and is picking fights with a vampire. Not to mention when she fought Mikael while she was 9 months pregnant. You couldn’t get more Mary Sue than that.

  • Skilled in a type of martial arts in a setting or with a backstory that doesn’t allow for it. Not regularly skilled either; she could kick the ass of the resident ninja of her choice.
  • And with all this — don’t expect the Green-Eyed Monster to show up. Envy appears in the Mary Sue’s life only as a means of angst, and so does not appear just because the Mary Sue has everything.
  • Alternately, anybody who does get jealous is a bitch and is wrong. This is typically a single other character and may be Die for Our Ship or for other reasons. (Caroline jealous of Elena in Season 1, Alicia jealous of Lana in Smallville)

  • Mary Sue always has excellent fashion sense. Even if she’s meant to be a rough-and-tumble Tomboy type who doesn’t care about that sort of thing, she will always look effortlessly beautiful and other characters, often males, will frequently talk about how they like that she isn’t as high maintenance as other girls (if she has a female rival they might mention her specifically).

If anything a Mary Sue typically has a fashion sense of a teenager throwing random things together, but she makes it look sexy or badass. Here are the receipts:

Let’s move onto Physical Appearance:

  • So Beautiful, It’s a Curse. While being attractive isn’t a qualifier of Mary Sue (who wants to be ugly?), it’s a bit excessive to try and play it as being some sort of disadvantage. Alternatively, she may only be Suetiful All Along. In an Anti-Sue, this is reversed into a hideous monster. Regardless, her astounding beauty (or astounding lack of it) will make her stand out from the crowd — or so we’re constantly being told.
  • No matter what she’s been through, Mary Sue will never look ugly. The worst she’ll ever be reduced to is Unkempt Beauty, and even if she is somehow injured and scarred or handicapped, the scar will always be a cool-looking, Bond villain-type scar that serves as more of a decoration than anything else. Plus, when she overcomes the handicap, she will be just as amazing as she was before getting injured (or better).
  • Likewise, if Mary Sue has a birthmark, it will be in a significant shape (heart, half moon, etc.) and never in a place that compromises her beauty. Expect the Mary Sue to think the birthmark makes her unattractive. This will be despite the fact that other characters insist that the birthmark makes her more attractive, especially in comparison to physically flawless characters. (Hayley’s Crescent Moon Birthmark)

Now onto Accessories:

  • Magic jewelry. It might be used as a Green Lantern Ring to justify her abilities. Bonus points if it glows.  (Elena’s vervain necklace created by a witch, Lana’s kryptonite necklace)

Now onto Canon Character Relationships:

Some Wish Fulfillment with a character you think is hot isn’t that bad. But a Mary Sue seems to grab their attention straight away. Even if they already have a stable love interest in canon, that relationship will be treated as either non-existent, or the couple will be split up in some way. (Elena and Stefan were retconned so Damon and Elena could happen, Gia and Elijah were completely ignored so Elijah could go back to pining after Hayley)

  • Bonus points if the love interest stands aside or sacrifices himself/herself so Mary Sue can be happy, or is twisted into a hateful person to justify Mary Sue breaking up the canon couple. (Stefan becoming a ripper/no humanity in Season 3 in order to breakup Stelena)
  • Turns out to be the offspring of a canon character. Made worse if that character would have been too young to have the Mary Sue, is gay/asexual, or perhaps is just physically incapable of it. For added Wangst, it’s the villain.
  • Even the characters who don’t have sex with her give her more heed than they normally would. Characters she likes can’t stop praising her positive traits. Characters she doesn’t like can’t stop making themselves look bad by insulting her. Even if she’s not physically present, that just means everyone can speak “freely” about her. In addition to the previous scenarios, at least one character will confess to being secretly be in love with her. There may be just “something special” about her, with no particular reason why anybody would think that. In the worst-case scenarios, they pay no heed to their own responsibilities or lives, only to Sue
  • .Bonus points: the disliked character behaving badly toward the Sue eventually sees the “error” of his/her ways and grows to love Sue as much as everyone else does.More bonus points: the bad behavior and treatment of the Sue by disliked characters is portrayed as jealousy.
  • Previously-established personalities change in reaction to her. Arrogant gimps may admire her for everything. Sweet, mild-mannered characters (that she and the author don’t like) insult and degrade her. A leader with responsibilities pays attention only to her. Young, reckless characters who would never settle down just yet will become totally reliable. Evil characters follow her around like a puppy or seem uncharacteristically obsessed with her. Extremely competent characters become stumbling buffoons who require her help to do anything. The characters in general just seem unnaturally focused on her, positive or negative.
  • She may have relationships of some kind with multiple major canon characters. For example, she’s the secret daughter of A who gave her up to be adopted by B’s parents, making her his sister, and she goes on to have a passionate affair with C, remaining friendly with him even though she goes on to marry D, and she’s E’s best friend, F’s closest advisor…and so on.

Mary Sues tend to have multiple love interest either currently or pre-season:

Lana and Whitney

Lana and Jason

Lana and Clark

Lana and Lex

Matt and Elena (pre-season, but Matt was still in love with Elena in Season 1)

Stefan and Elena

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Damon and Elena (Bleh!)

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Liam and Elena

Hayley and Klaus

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Hayley and Elijah

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Hayley and Jackson

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All of the men fawn over them.

Now onto Story Elements:

  • Mary Sue is always on the Spotlight-Stealing Squad. Without her, there would not be a story.
  • She’s The Chosen One. Even if the canon hero is already The Chosen One, she either ‘shares’ the position or just steals it away from them.
  • Sympathetic Sue has an unusually Dark and Troubled Past to excess, but other subtypes often have them too, just to emphasize how brave and special she is to live through it. This past is never really a point in the story, just dropped casually into the conversation to get attention. Alternatively it’s written badly owing to not doing much research. How much she Wangsts about it is usually out of proportion with how bad it really is. (Elena and Lana)
  • Redeems the villain through her overwhelming goodness. Might be through Redemption Equals Sex (bonus points if it leads into IKEA Erotica). Even more bonus points if the story decides to mention that this is her loss of virginity. Yet more bonus points if the villain comments on how awesome she is in bed despite said virginity. (Elena and Damon, Hayley being the incubator for Klaus’s redemption) 
  • Is a princess. Everything’s Better with Princesses, after all. Bonus points if she grew up as a peasant (or equivalent social class) and only just discovered this during the story. Of course, in any case, it will be a position of high opulence and little actual responsibility. (Obviously Hayley)
  • Perform a Heroic Sacrifice as a way to prove that she’s Too Good for This Sinful Earth. Bonus points if the story goes out of the way to ensure she doesn’t leave an ugly corpse (whether it be by a method that doesn’t involve external physical damage or by her body not being recovered). More bonus points if it turns out to be a Disney Death. (Elena in Season 2)
  • She will often have a tragic family life. Coming from an abusive background is quite common. Her mother is often either dead or a Wicked Stepmother. In the latter case, she will most likely be in Cinderella Circumstances. Her father is frequently an Overprotective Dad (or in some cases, a Wicked Stepfather). Orphans are also very common, as is Parental Abandonment. (Elena is adopted by her Aunt and Uncle, her biological parents are assholes who want to kill the Salvatore brothers. They eventually end up dead. Lana’s parents die from meteor crash, and it turns out that she is adopted. Hayley’s biological parents are killed by Jackson’s grandfather as a result of a civil war in the Crescent Pack. Her adopted parents kicked her out at 13 when she transformed into a werewolf in front of them)
  • She will often suffer from Special Snowflake Syndrome, having some trait or backstory that sets her apart from her race. 

Now onto Presentation:

  • In visual media, the camera just can’t stop staring at her. Every angle is seen several times and her every action gets a heavy emphasis with close-up shots galore. Other characters don’t get to be in the frame alone if it can be helped.
  • When the character is off-screen, if ever, the other characters are still talking about her, taking it as a chance to speak “honestly” about the new girl. If they like her, they sing her praises; if not, their dislike will be taken as jealousy, as her “haters” will only talk about petty issues (Sue’s background, perceived promiscuity, etc.), and not genuine gripes (massive attention whoring, for starters).
  • She’s the vanishing point - everything revolves around her.

Reading these tropes I can honestly say that Hayley, Elena, and Lana are the poster children of these tropes. Reading all of these tropes I couldn’t help but think about how all 3 of them fit them so well. And that is honestly sad because writers write these characters as if they’re badass, awesome, compassionate, strong, and just want to be loved, and is what girls should look up to. When in reality that is not the case, Mary Sues are misogynistic, anti-feminist, self-insert characters. They are what writers imagine themselves to be, and place themselves into the story making up this character that is so perfect and badass, but has a tragic past. Mary Sues are what girls fantasize what they want to be in their favorite TV shows or movies, and they completely ruin the story. Mary Sues are the reason why people can’t stand watching a certain TV shows at times because they take up all the screen time and everything has to be about them. People say things like “Oh, but she’s the main character so it has to be about her.” when in reality that’s not how being a protagonist works. Yes they are the key center to the story, but you know what makes a good TV show is when they focus on the side characters or the supporting characters. For example True Blood, even though everything was supposed to be about Sookie the show still payed attention to the side characters and as a result people had a reason to sit through Sookie’s bullshit. Because the side characters had the same amount of screen time as her, and at times the show didn’t bring up Sookie at times. You would think she was a side character because the side characters got more attention than her, but nope she wasn’t. Being a protagonist is one thing, a protagonist is key central to the story but they still are no the center of attention or a Mary Sue, but being a Mary Sue is a completely different thing. Being a Mary Sue means you are bland, dull, lifeless. You are so perfect you have all of the guys fawning over you, and you can be a damsel in distress at times but then you become a badass bitch. You have some sort of supernatural lineage, and all of the girls that trash talk you are just jealous and want what you have. Everything revolves around you!

And the CW doesn’t seem to get the message that others are getting…


anonymous asked:

lotor doesn't seem to care particularly about allura, coran or the castle ship from what we've seen. do you think the writers dropped the allura obsession the character was written with from the past series? or transferred it to haggar perhaps.

The writers have said that Lotor isn’t going to feel that way about Allura, which, I think makes sense, because…

Lotor’s infatuation with Allura, at least how DotU spun it, came from a fundamentally sexist root in several regards.

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caitlincocoloco  asked:

How do Jean and Marco feel about being shipped together? Does anybody else in show ship them?

Sasha basically ships everything and Historia always suggested some gayness in them. 

Marco would find it kinda cute that they’re shipped and jean would find it very weird, especially all the smut

Copying @shidgelion bc I’ve nothing better to do lmao. Look at my multi-shippin’ ass go. 😂

Note: I dislike pretty much all Allura-centric ships because I personally dislike Allura as a character, though I obviously don’t hate on anybody who does like her/ships involving her. The only reason I’m pointing this out is because I can totally see people going off about how I “only like the M/M ships.” 🙄

Does…anybody else ship Farran and Cronan??

Or is it just me with a crack ship? I mean did you see how they acted towards each other when they first met? Farran was eager to please and Cronan was really soft the whole time (but that was probably just him putting on a facade)

I mean even if Cronan doesn’t feel that way towards Farran, Farran at least has a bit of a thing for him, right? Like “wow what a pretty stranger” type thing? because we all pretty much know Farran isn’t straight

Ya know I don’t like referring to myself or anybody else that does not support “Maps” and “Map positivity” as an Anti, because of how negative it sounds; instead I want to refer to myself and others with the same opinion as: A decent human being. Because we all know that it only takes a decent human being to realize that someone who labels theirself as a “MAP” is sick and a danger to minors.

aislinnspauls  asked:


How do much do I ship it? : Never heard of it/ Notp / Dislike / used to ship / maybe / ship it / aww / otp / IS IT CANON YET?
What non sexual activities do they like to do together? : they train together, like whenever anybody cant find them, there’s a 90% chance that these two are in the training room kicking each others’ ass.
Who does chores around the house? : Clary, because Jace is useless, and he doesn’t even have an idea what a mango looks like whole, and he’s dire at all other chores.
Who’s the better cook? : Jace surprisingly, although he is horrible at doing chores, he’s an brilliant cook when you he has all the ingredients and a recipe.
Who’s the funniest drunk? : Clary, she is such a lightweight like she will have one glass of vodka and she will be swaying on her feet, and she will al clingy and cuddly and Jace will have to drag her home.
Do they have any traditions? : Like every year on the anniversary of the day of their first kiss, they both take the day off, and just be together for the day.
What do they fight about? : mainly how reckless both of them ।could get sometimes. Like both Jace and Clary have been known to put their life in danger so many times and sometimes after a particularly tiring mission, this habit takes a toil on them.
What would they do if they found their pairing tag on tumblr? : probably be like really sad? Cause the tag is like mostly filled with negativity and hate, but i think atleast Clary would try to focus on any and all posts about positivity they come across.
Who cried at the end of Marley and me? : Jace, mainly cause he had no idea what was about to happen, he saw the entire thing thinking that there was gonna be a nice, happy ending and they are gonna like together forever.
Who always wins at Mario kart? : Clary, cause her best friend is Simon and she grew up planning video games like every single day, and even reluctant she’s a brilliamt player.
One thing I like about this ship? : they are so pure? like its actually canon that before Clary, Jace was like this person sleepwalking through life, not getting a crush, not paying attention to anyone around him. and as soon as he saw Clary, he like woke up and discovered so much of what was happening around him. And when she had lost everything, it was Jace that stood by her side through it all, and Clary was literally ready to sacrifice it all just to save Jace’s life and that is just such a romantic notion.
One thing I don’t like about the ship? : propably how reckless these two can be, especially if they are together. They have no regard for rules and more often than not this gets other people in trouble.
The song I would say fits them? : The Other Side or Storm by Ruelle. Also Clarity by Zedd (mainly cause of that one Tumblr post)
Another headcanon about the paring? : sometimes Clary makes Jace model for her, like she has sketch books upon sketch books dedicated solely to Jace in every different pose these two could come up with.

Send me a ship.

anonymous asked:

ok i dont want to offend anybody but i dont really ship stichie?? Idk its just stan is always so annoyed and done with richie's ways in the most recent it movie, and idk i just dont know??

ah nah dude, the new movie didn’t show richie and stan’s beautiful friendship like it does in the mini series and book oh my lord

they are BEST BUDS, not richie and bill or richie and eddie it’s bill and eddie that are basically soulmates in the book whereas stan and richie are always together, it’s weird how they filmed it but richie and stan could totally work

anonymous asked:

how are you ace and trying to see nsfw of yourself and your ship wtf

You see

There’s this magical thing called The Other Person Is A Fictional Character And Does Not Exist So I Can Do Whatever I Want

Which is great because through trial and error I have found that I am not inherently sexually attracted to anybody that is a real person

So honestly, self-ship is a win-win for me.

“You can ship whatever you want, but don’t act like it’s gonna be canon.”

Even if my ship wasn’t gonna be canon, how does me saying it will be hurt anybody??? Your harassment isn’t justified in either of these cases. It will never be justified.