high capacity magazine

Saying “high capacity” to describe a magazine bothers me so much. 30 rounds is standard for an ar15, 7 is standard for a 1911,how can you set one single value that is high capacity for every firearm?

Another day.
Another shooting.
Another day I watch the news through tears.

The idea that people can’t go about their daily lives… Prepare for a charity event at a YMCA… Without the fear of being gunned down makes me feel hopeless. It’s wrong.
It’s not my idea of America.

Those people didn’t deserve to be shot.
The shooter was wrong and I’m hoping his will be the only life lost in this event.

The big debate now is how to keep our lawmakers safe… Something they deserve.

The talk today has been increased security. But this is not the answer (or the whole answer).

I pray to my God today that we can do what needs to be done. That we can get assault weapons off the street. That we can ban high capacity magazines. That we can increase background checks. That we can get the gun reform we need.

The House was supposed to debate legislation today that would ease restrictions on things like gun silencers and armor piercing bullets.
That was obviously cancelled. I hope it is never revisited.

Some might say it would be selfish and hypocritical of republicans who oppose gun reform to support it now that the gun was aimed at them.
I say it doesn’t matter.

We all stray at times. We all come around to the right thing in different ways.

If we can support gun reform now I will not chastise those who join the cause because of this disgusting event. I will rejoice that we can move forward together, supportive of one another in our drive to protect Americans from this kind of fear. From living oppressed by the devastation gun violence has brought to us. It lays, like a thick blanket, across our nation.

Let us cast it off together.

Deadly ghost gun high capacity magazine assault clipz.

I never understand why people make such a big deal about high capacity magazines. The 50 rounder in the Saiga .223 doesn’t feed worth a damn, same with the drum. Half of them are just for the novelty/fun - the only remotely practical one pictured is the 40 round Magpul Pmag.

Justice Democrats - Democrats That Represent People, Not Corporations

Operation Democratic Backbone.

It’s time to face the facts: the Democratic Party is broken and the corporate, establishment wing of the party is responsible. Republicans now hold most state legislatures, most governorships, the House of Representatives, the Senate, and the presidency. So in 2018, hundreds of Justice Democrats will run a unified campaign to replace every corporate-backed member of Congress and rebuild the party from scratch. This is our plan:

Pass a constitutional amendment to put an end to Washington corruption and bring about election reform. Super PACs should be banned, private donations to politicians and campaigns should be banned, and a clean public financing system should be implemented to end the takeover of our government by corporations and billionaires. Americans deserve free and fair elections – free from the corruption of big money donors. The Supreme Court has effectively legalized bribery. It’s time for an Article 5 convention to take our democracy back from the brink of oligarchy. Prior to passing this amendment, all members of the Justice Party should reject billionaire and corporate donations when running for office to show the American people we don’t just talk the talk, we walk the walk. Ranked choice voting should also be implemented to make smaller parties a viable option. All provisions of the voting rights act should be reinstated, and gerrymandering for partisan gain should be banned.

Re-regulate Wall Street and hold white-collar criminals accountable. Despite engaging in systemic fraud and causing a subprime mortgage meltdown and the great recession, you can count the people from Wall Street who are in prison for their crimes on one hand. It’s time to prosecute the criminals, bring back Glass-Steagall, and re-regulate Wall Street to prevent another crash. Prison is not just for the poor and the middle class anymore. We will have cops on Wall Street, not just Main Street.

End billionaire and corporate tax dodging, fix the system to benefit middle-class and poor people. Corporations dodge $450 billion a year in taxes by using offshore tax havens. We should end this injustice, as well as chain the capital gains tax to the income tax, increase the estate tax, and implement the Buffet rule so that no millionaire CEO pays less in taxes than his or her secretary. It’s time for a tax system that benefits the middle-class and the poor, and makes the top 1% and multinational corporations pay their fair share.

Defend free speech and expression. We support the right to express unpopular opinions without fear of censorship. We support free speech on college campuses. The marketplace of ideas should be embraced. A vibrant debate is healthy for democracy, and we should cherish our first amendment. We also support net neutrality for a free and open internet.

Oppose bigotry. We must speak out against racism, sexism, xenophobia, and all forms of bigotry. Non-discrimination protections that currently apply to race, religion, and gender should be expanded to include the LGBTQ community and the atheist community. Making all Americans equal is not asking for special privileges, it’s asking for the rule of law – justice and equality for all as outlined in the United States Constitution.

Make the minimum wage a living wage and tie it to inflation. This is about justice and basic human decency. If you work hard and you work full time you shouldn’t live in poverty.

Ensure universal healthcare as a right. The United States should catch up to every other modern nation and implement a single-payer, medicare-for-all system. There’s no reason we can’t be #1 in the world instead of #37. It’s time to end the destruction of American healthcare by rapacious, price gouging, for-profit, private health insurance middlemen.

Ensure universal education as a right. Educating the citizenry of a nation pays dividends in the long run, with the economy getting back much more than is initially put in. Crushing student debt for higher education would no longer burden young men and women trying to improve their lives through hard work. We should strive to have the best education system in the world.

End unnecessary wars and nation building. The United States maintains 800 military bases worldwide at a cost of $100 billion a year, this is money that can be spent at home creating jobs, rebuilding infrastructure, and investing in the future of the people. The disastrous war in Iraq cost trillions, the war in Afghanistan is 15 years in with no end in sight, and we’re currently bombing 7 different countries. We spend more on our military than the next 8 countries combined. Despite countless lives lost and destroyed, terrorism has only gotten worse. It’s time to end the wars and the perverse monetary-incentive structure that makes politicians flippant about sending young men and women to die. Unilateral U.S. military force should only be used as a last resort to defend the nation. The current budget could be cut drastically if we used our department of defense for what it was intended – defending us, instead of waging interventionist wars.

End the failed war on drugs. The goal is legalization, taxation, and regulation. Prohibition only makes drug cartels more powerful, increases crime, and makes drugs more dangerous due to lack of enforced safety standards. What you put in your body is your own business, and your right. A free society should allow individuals to make their own choices about their bodies. While most users are recreational and moderate, rehabilitation and treatment should be available for people struggling with addiction. Additionally, those serving time for non-violent drug offenses should be pardoned.

Create the new new deal. Our infrastructure gets a grade of D from the Society of Civil Engineers. The government should invest billions in rebuilding our crumbling roads, bridges, schools, levees, airports etc. There’s no reason why we can’t have the world’s #1 infrastructure.

Create the renewable energy revolution. Scientists are sounding the alarm on climate change. In order to avoid the worst case scenario and a dystopian future we need a massive green revolution. It’s time to drastically and immediately move away from fossil fuels and develop the technologies of the future. This will be a giant boon to both the private and public sector, as well as a necessary response to a global crisis. We can and we must be #1 in sustainable energy production in the world.

Block the TPP and all outsourcing deals that will further damage the middle-class. As a result of NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China and the WTO, Americans have lost millions of decent paying jobs. It’s time to end the race to the bottom and renegotiate these rigged deals that only benefit elites. We should not sacrifice our sovereignty, the only people who are allowed to make laws for the United States should be the American people, not multinational corporations.

End Constitutional overreaches. Ban the NSA from bulk data-collection and warrantless spying. Shut down Guantanamo Bay and all extrajudicial prisons. Prosecute torturers and those who violated the Geneva Conventions, Nuremberg Tribunal, International law and US law. Return habeas corpus and due process. Pardon whistleblowers like Edward Snowden. We shouldn’t be leading from behind on human rights, we must be the home of liberty. We should practice the values we preach.

Ban arming human rights violators. We recently gave Saudi Arabia billions in weapons and watched the civilian death toll in their vicious bombing campaign in Yemen tick up. We continue sending Egypt arms as they violently crack down on peaceful protesters. Israel received $38 billion in aid and promptly announced new settlements. The first step to peace is not enabling nations who regularly violate international law. We must be bold enough to stand up to human rights violators who aren’t just our enemies, but our allies. We don’t weaken our allies by holding them accountable, we strengthen them.

Enact common-sense gun regulation. 92% of Americans want expanded background checks, 54% want a ban on assault weapons, and 54% want a ban on high capacity magazines. This should be implemented along with a federal gun buyback program to cut down on the 300+ million firearms in circulation. Over 30,000 Americans die every year from gun violence, including over 10,000 homicides. The time to act is now to address this public health crisis.

Ensure paid vacation time, sick time, maternity leave, childcare. The United States is one of just three countries in the world that doesn’t offer paid maternity leave, the others being Oman and Papua New Guinea. We are the only industrialized nation that doesn’t offer paid vacation time. This should be changed immediately.

Abolish the death penalty. Humans are fallible, we’ll never get the right answer 100% of the time. 4% of the people on death row are not guilty of a crime and have been wrongly convicted. A system that puts innocent people to death is indefensible and should be reformed. We want justice for the American people but killing innocent people on death row is the exact opposite.

Defend and protect women’s rights. We support the Paycheck Fairness Act. We oppose Republican cuts to Planned Parenthood and women’s health clinics all across the country. In 2016 alone, 60 TRAP laws targeting abortion were passed in 19 states. We will vigorously oppose all efforts to dismantle reproductive rights.

ich-was-ein-chint-so-wolgetan  asked:

I agree with you on gun control. There's hardly any good done involving guns in the world. There are ways to achieve protection without them, SAFER protection, and hopefully banning guns would make violence occur less, as it would be more difficult to carry out.

I’m not 100% against guns. But the laws in the United States regarding guns do little to nothing to protect us.
Assault rifles
High capacity magazines
People who can’t legally manage their finances being able to buy guns
Insufficient background checks

All you have to do is look at our murder rate and the corresponding gun laws and compare them to some place like Australia…. It’s obvious that guns are the problem.

I’m just as much anti-Sanders as I am anti-Trump. Don’t get it twisted.

I’m also anti-violence which is the entire fucking point of my ranting posts today!!! 

No one should have been shot. That is completely fucked up. 

BUT….you write, sponsor and pass these fucked up and idiotic gun laws…putting assault weapons and high capacity magazines in the hands of unhinged people…bad shit is going to happen. It’s not an opinion…it’s a fact…AND IT SHOULD BE FUCKING OBVIOUS to even the dumbest fucking people around. Even those dumbest mother fuckers understand the nature of fire….you don’t jump into flames and expect NOT to get burnt.

Too bad they had to suspended that vote in congress today to make silencers more easily accessible, right? GTFOH.

So spare me your indignation of my opinions. Fuck off.

Alright guys, so this is my pretty modest firearm collection if I do say so myself.

I’ve got a tricked out AR-15 on the bottom there, with a MagPul extended magazine and fore grip. 

I’ve also got a tricked out .38 special revolver that I attached a stock to. I just recently got my tax stamp on it so it’s perfectly legal to own now.

Next to the revolver, I have a Scar-H and a drum magazine for it. Has standard Magpul accessories to boot.

I also happen to have two tiny handguns chambered in .380 ACP. They’re useful for concealed carry.

Finally, I have my pump-action combat shotgun. As you can see, I also managed to score a high capacity drum magazine for it as well. It can hold around 35 shotshells. 

Both drum magazines have the paperwork to go with them, so I’m perfectly in the clear with them.

What do you guys think?

Why I, a Bernie supporter, am voting for Hillary (and why you should too)

Let me start by saying I was a Bernie supporter from the very beginning of his campaign. I saw him not just as a candidate but as a man passionately fighting for his ideals. I was with him when no one took him seriously or believed he had even the slightest chance of beating Hillary Rodham Clinton. I went to hear him speak, standing no more than ten or fifteen yards away from the podium, I donated a couple of dollars (all I could afford), and I put a sticker on my car. He was the candidate I didn’t realize I’d been waiting for. He was truly running a campaign of ideas and I agreed with almost 100% of everything he had to say. And when my state held our primary I voted for him.

So yes, I’m disappointed that Bernie didn’t get the nomination. But in November I will be, without a doubt, voting for Hillary Clinton. I believe she is a great candidate and will make an excellent president. Would I rather see Bernie in the White House? Yes. But I absolutely think Hillary Clinton will do well there.

Now, to Bernie supporters who are considering sitting out the election (or God forbid voting for Trump???): DON’T DO IT. I REPEAT, DO NOT CHOOSE NOT TO VOTE. DO NOT VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP. JUST DON’T.

No matter how disappointed you may be, the only smart option now is to vote for Hillary. She may not be your dream candidate, but she is absolutely capable of performing the duties required as a president, she agreed to changing a lot of the party platform to reflect many of Bernie’s beliefs, and, most importantly, she is not Donald Trump.


In case you’re still not convinced, let’s compare the candidates’ views of just a few of the issues shall we?

• Trump: “We’re going to build the wall.” About undocumented Mexican immigrants: “they’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists.”
• Clinton: Supports a “path to full and equal citizenship” for all immigrants, including illegal immigrants. Wants to keep families together (“I’ll end family detention, close private immigration centers…”)

• Trump: “Look, Planned Parenthood has to stop with the abortions.” “Public funding of abortion providers is an insult to people of conscience at the least and an affront to good governance at best.” “I’ve become pro-life.” On women who seek abortions: “There has to be some form of punishment.”
• Clinton: “Politicians have no business interfering with women’s personal health decisions.” “I will defend a woman’s right to choose. And I will defend Planned Parenthood.”
• Trump: “If you had more guns, you’d have more protection because the right people would have the guns.” “Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like ‘assault-weapons’, military-style weapons’, and ‘high capacity magazines to confuse people.”
• Clinton: “I know we area a smart enough nation to figure out how you protect responsible gun owners’ rights and get guns out of the hands of people who shouldn’t have them.” “I believe weapons of war have no place on our streets.”

Health care
• Trump: “Obamacare. We’re going to repel it, we’re going to replace it, get something great.”
• Clinton: “As president, I’ll defend the Affordable Care Act, build on its successes, and go even further to reduce costs. My plan will crack down on drug companies charging excessive prices, slow the growth of out-of-pocket costs, and provide a new credit to those facing high health expenses.”

Minimum wage:
• Trump: Several different views. Just Google it. He’s all over the place on this one.
• Clinton: “We need to raise the federal minimum wage back to the highest it’s ever been in this country and make sure it keeps rising over time.”

• Trump: “Global warming is an expensive hoax.” “I believe in clean air, immaculate air, but I don’t believe in climate change.”
• Clinton: “Climate change is real. It’s hurting our planet and our people. We can’t afford a president who ignores the science.” “I’ll stop the tax giveaways to big oil and gas companies. And I’ll make significant investments in clean energy.”

• Trump: “We will cut so much, your head will spin.” “We are going to cut the Department of Education.”
• Clinton: “Raising Americans’ incomes will be my top priority. I’ll rebuild our infrastructure, invest in clean energy and manufacturing, create millions of good-paying middle class jobs, and rein in college costs and out-of-pocket health expenses. I’ll pay for my proposals by closing corporate tax loopholes and asking the wealthy to pay their fair share.”

TL;DR: If you don’t vote for Hillary Clinton, an ignorant, racist, and overall terrifying man will become President of the United States.

Green Beret's Open Letter on the 2nd Amendment

“The Green Berets, the US Army Special Forces, have a new open letter on the Second Amendment. Over 1100 have signed so far.

In the US Army, it is no secret that the Uniform Code of Military Justice(UCMJ), United States Code (USC titles 10, 2, and 18), Department of Defense (DOD) directives, and strict Military Guidelines limit, if not forbid, military active duty personnel from taking a political stand. They can face Court Marshal, Dishonorable Discharge, Article 15 non-judicial punishment, and even jail time.

They also have a fine line to walk. Their very oath, the oath I swore in 1992, does not have an expiration date and demands that we defend the US Constitution against ALL ENEMIES both foreign and domestic.  In 2013, and continuing today, these men are seeing an ever growing threat inside our nation. Therefore when the very fabric of our nation and the Second Amendment of the US Constitution’s Bill of Rights is threatened, these brave 1100 (and the list is growing) have stepped up to the plate to put career on the line to defend the very oath they swore. The first step to defending that oath was taken in the form of an open letter to the people of the United States. They continue to sign.

While I realize the letter is long, it has many points that hit the mark a little close to home here state side. Everyone should read this. We should all be concerned about our Constitution and the Amendments. Here is that letter:”

Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned

We are current or former Army Reserve, National Guard, and active duty US Army Special Forces soldiers (Green Berets). We have all taken an oath to “…support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.…” The Constitution of the United States is without a doubt the single greatest document in the history of mankind, codifying the fundamental principle of governmental power and authority being derived from and granted through the consent of the governed. Our Constitution established a system of governance that preserves, protects, and holds sacrosanct the individual rights and primacy of the governed as well as providing for the explicit protection of the governed from governmental tyranny and/or oppression. We have witnessed the insidious and iniquitous effects of tyranny and oppression on people all over the world. We and our forebears have embodied and personified our organizational motto, De Oppresso Liber [To Free the Oppressed], for more than a half century as we have fought, shed blood, and died in the pursuit of freedom for the oppressed.

Like you, we are also loving and caring fathers and grandfathers. Like you, we have been stunned, horrified, and angered by the tragedies of Columbine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Fort Hood, and Sandy Hook; and like you, we are searching for solutions to the problem of gun-related crimes in our society. Many of us are educators in our second careers and have a special interest to find a solution to this problem. However, unlike much of the current vox populi reactions to this tragedy, we offer a different perspective.

First, we need to set the record straight on a few things. The current debate is over so-called “assault weapons” and high capacity magazines. The terms “assault weapon” and “assault rifle” are often confused. According to Bruce H. Kobayashi and Joseph E. Olson, writing in the Stanford Law and Policy Review, “Prior to 1989, the term ‘assault weapon’ did not exist in the lexicon of firearms. It is a political term [underline added for emphasis], developed by anti-gun publicists to expand the category of assault rifles.”

The M4A1 carbine is a U.S. military service rifle – it is an assault rifle. The AR-15 is not an assault rifle. The “AR” in its name does not stand for “Assault Rifle” – it is the designation from the first two letters of the manufacturer’s name – ArmaLite Corporation. The AR-15 is designed so that it cosmetically looks like the M4A1 carbine assault rifle, but it is impossible to configure the AR-15 to be a fully automatic assault rifle. It is a single shot semi-automatic rifle that can fire between 45 and 60 rounds per minute depending on the skill of the operator. The M4A1 can fire up to 950 rounds per minute. In 1986, the federal government banned the import or manufacture of new fully automatic firearms for sale to civilians. Therefore, the sale of assault rifles are already banned or heavily restricted!

The second part of the current debate is over “high capacity magazines” capable of holding more than 10 rounds in the magazine. As experts in military weapons of all types, it is our considered opinion that reducing magazine capacity from 30 rounds to 10 rounds will only require an additional 6 -8 seconds to change two empty 10 round magazines with full magazines. Would an increase of 6 –8 seconds make any real difference to the outcome in a mass shooting incident? In our opinion it would not. Outlawing such “high capacity magazines” would, however, outlaw a class of firearms that are “in common use”. As such this would be in contravention to the opinion expressed by the U.S. Supreme Court recent decisions.

Moreover, when the Federal Assault Weapons Ban became law in 1994, manufacturers began retooling to produce firearms and magazines that were compliant. One of those ban-compliant firearms was the Hi-Point 995, which was sold with ten-round magazines. In 1999, five years into the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, the Columbine High School massacre occurred. One of the perpetrators, Eric Harris, was armed with a Hi-Point 995. Undeterred by the ten-round capacity of his magazines, Harris simply brought more of them: thirteen magazines would be found in the massacre’s aftermath. Harris fired 96 rounds before killing himself.

Now that we have those facts straight, in our opinion, it is too easy to conclude that the problem is guns and that the solution to the problem is more and stricter gun control laws. For politicians, it is politically expedient to take that position and pass more gun control laws and then claim to constituents that they have done the right thing in the interest of protecting our children. Who can argue with that? Of course we all want to find a solution. But, is the problem really guns? Would increasing gun regulation solve the problem? Did we outlaw cars to combat drunk driving?

What can we learn from experiences with this issue elsewhere? We cite the experience in Great Britain. Despite the absence of a “gun culture”, Great Britain, with one-fifth the population of the U.S., has experienced mass shootings that are eerily similar to those we have experienced in recent years. In 1987 a lone gunman killed 18 people in Hungerford. What followed was the Firearms Act of 1988 making registration mandatory and banning semi-automatic guns and pump-action shotguns. Despite this ban, on March 13, 1996 a disturbed 43-year old former scout leader, Thomas Hamilton, murdered 16 school children aged five and six and a teacher at a primary school in Dunblane, Scotland. Within a year and a half the Firearms Act was amended to ban all private ownership of hand guns. After both shootings there were amnesty periods resulting in the surrender of thousands of firearms and ammunition. Despite having the toughest gun control laws in the world, gun related crimes increased in 2003 by 35% over the previous year with firearms used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the preceding 12 months. Gun related homicides were up 32% over the same period. Overall, gun related crime had increased 65% since the Dunblane massacre and implementation of the toughest gun control laws in the developed world. In contrast, in 2009 (5 years after the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expired) total firearm related homicides in the U.S. declined by 9% from the 2005 high (Source: “FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Master File, Table 310, Murder Victims – Circumstances and Weapons Used or Cause of Death: 2000-2009”).

Are there unintended consequences to stricter gun control laws and the politically expedient path that we have started down?

In a recent op-ed piece in the San Francisco Chronicle, Brett Joshpe stated that “Gun advocates will be hard-pressed to explain why the average American citizen needs an assault weapon with a high-capacity magazine other than for recreational purposes.”We agree with Kevin D. Williamson (National Review Online, December 28, 2012): “The problem with this argument is that there is no legitimate exception to the Second Amendment right that excludes military-style weapons, because military-style weapons are precisely what the Second Amendment guarantees our right to keep and bear.”

“The purpose of the Second Amendment is to secure our ability to oppose enemies foreign and domestic, a guarantee against disorder and tyranny. Consider the words of Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story”: ‘The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.’

The Second Amendment has been ruled to specifically extend to firearms “in common use” by the military by the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in U.S. v Miller (1939). In Printz v U.S. (1997) Justice Thomas wrote: “In Miller we determined that the Second Amendment did not guarantee a citizen’s right to possess a sawed-off shot gun because that weapon had not been shown to be “ordinary military equipment” that could “could contribute to the common defense”.

A citizen’s right to keep and bear arms for personal defense unconnected with service in a militia has been reaffirmed in the U.S. Supreme Court decision (District of Columbia, et al. v Heller, 2008). The Court Justice Scalia wrote in the majority opinion: “The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.“. Justice Scalia went on to define a militia as “… comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense ….”
“The Anti-Federalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved.” he explained.

On September 13, 1994, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban went into effect. A Washington Post editorial published two days later was candid about the ban’s real purpose:“[N]o one should have any illusions about what was accomplished [by the ban]. Assault weapons play a part in only a small percentage of crime. The provision is mainly symbolic; its virtue will be if it turns out to be, as hoped, a stepping stone to broader gun control.”

In a challenge to the authority of the Federal government to require State and Local Law Enforcement to enforce Federal Law (Printz v United States) the U.S. Supreme Court rendered a decision in 1997. For the majority opinion Justice Scalia wrote: “…. this Court never has sanctioned explicitly a federal command to the States to promulgate and enforce laws and regulations When we were at last confronted squarely with a federal statute that unambiguously required the States to enact or administer a federal regulatory program, our decision should have come as no surprise….. It is an essential attribute of the States’ retained sovereignty that they remain independent and autonomous within their proper sphere of authority.”

So why should non-gun owners, a majority of Americans, care about maintaining the 2nd Amendment right for citizens to bear arms of any kind?

The answer is “The Battle of Athens, TN”. The Cantrell family had controlled the economy and politics of McMinn County, Tennessee since the 1930s. Paul Cantrell had been Sheriff from 1936 -1940 and in 1942 was elected to the State Senate. His chief deputy, Paul Mansfield, was subsequently elected to two terms as Sheriff. In 1946 returning WWII veterans put up a popular candidate for Sheriff. On August 1 Sheriff Mansfield and 200 “deputies” stormed the post office polling place to take control of the ballot boxes wounding an objecting observer in the process. The veterans bearing military style weapons, laid siege to the Sheriff’s office demanding return of the ballot boxes for public counting of the votes as prescribed in Tennessee law. After exchange of gun fire and blowing open the locked doors, the veterans secured the ballot boxes thereby protecting the integrity of the election. And this is precisely why all Americans should be concerned about protecting all of our right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment!

Throughout history, disarming the populace has always preceded tyrants’ accession of power. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao all disarmed their citizens prior to installing their murderous regimes. At the beginning of our own nation’s revolution, one of the first moves made by the British government was an attempt to disarm our citizens. When our Founding Fathers ensured that the 2nd Amendment was made a part of our Constitution, they were not just wasting ink. They were acting to ensure our present security was never forcibly endangered by tyrants, foreign or domestic.

If there is a staggering legal precedent to protect our 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms and if stricter gun control laws are not likely to reduce gun related crime, why are we having this debate? Other than making us and our elected representatives feel better because we think that we are doing something to protect our children, these actions will have no effect and will only provide us with a false sense of security.

So, what do we believe will be effective? First, it is important that we recognize that this is not a gun control problem; it is a complex sociological problem. No single course of action will solve the problem. Therefore, it is our recommendation that a series of diverse steps be undertaken, the implementation of which will require patience and diligence to realize an effect. These are as follows:

1. First and foremost we support our Second Amendment right in that “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.

2. We support State and Local School Boards in their efforts to establish security protocols in whatever manner and form that they deem necessary and adequate. One of the great strengths of our Republic is that State and Local governments can be creative in solving problems. Things that work can be shared. Our point is that no one knows what will work and there is no one single solution, so let’s allow the State and Local governments with the input of the citizens to make the decisions. Most recently the Cleburne Independent School District will become the first district in North Texas to consider allowing some teachers to carry concealed guns. We do not opine as to the appropriateness of this decision, but we do support their right to make this decision for themselves.

3. We recommend that Assisted Outpatient Treatment (AOT) laws be passed in every State. AOT is formerly known as Involuntary Outpatient Commitment (IOC) and allows the courts to order certain individuals with mental disorders to comply with treatment while living in the community. In each of the mass shooting incidents the perpetrator was mentally unstable. We also believe that people who have been adjudicated as incompetent should be simultaneously examined to determine whether they should be allowed the right to retain/purchase firearms.

4. We support the return of firearm safety programs to schools along the lines of the successful “Eddie the Eagle” program, which can be taught in schools by Peace Officers or other trained professionals.

5. Recent social psychology research clearly indicates that there is a direct relationship between gratuitously violent movies/video games and desensitization to real violence and increased aggressive behavior particularly in children and young adults (See Nicholas L. Carnagey, et al. 2007. “The effect of video game violence on physiological desensitization to real-life violence” and the references therein. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology 43:489-496). Therefore, we strongly recommend that gratuitous violence in movies and video games be discouraged. War and war-like behavior should not be glorified. Hollywood and video game producers are exploiting something they know nothing about. General Sherman famously said “War is Hell!” Leave war to the Professionals. War is not a game and should not be “sold” as entertainment to our children.

6. We support repeal of the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990. This may sound counter-intuitive, but it obviously isn’t working. It is our opinion that “Gun-Free Zones” anywhere are too tempting of an environment for the mentally disturbed individual to inflict their brand of horror with little fear of interference. While governmental and non-governmental organizations, businesses, and individuals should be free to implement a Gun-Free Zone if they so choose, they should also assume Tort liability for that decision.

7. We believe that border states should take responsibility for implementation of border control laws to prevent illegal shipments of firearms and drugs. Drugs have been illegal in this country for a long, long time yet the Federal Government manages to seize only an estimated 10% of this contraband at our borders. Given this dismal performance record that is misguided and inept (“Fast and Furious”), we believe that border States will be far more competent at this mission.

8. This is our country, these are our rights. We believe that it is time that we take personal responsibility for our choices and actions rather than abdicate that responsibility to someone else under the illusion that we have done something that will make us all safer. We have a responsibility to stand by our principles and act in accordance with them. Our children are watching and they will follow the example we set.

The undersigned Quiet Professionals hereby humbly stand ever present, ever ready, and ever vigilant.


Great letter. I feel like it covers a lot of gunblr’s same sentiments.

The favorite policy favored by liberals and the gun control folks, a ban on high capacity magazines would reduce gun violence by 1%, eventually over a period of years, decades.
(this assumes the folks who have them don’t know how to use a hammer and pliers)

Want to reduce gun violence by 18%?
Prohibit black men from owning guns or having access to guns any guns.
That also means prohibiting them from any job that gives them access to guns.
So no black cops, security, FBI or other Federal or Law Enforcement jobs.

Black men are more likely to be killed by guns than white men.
White men also are 5x more likely to use that gun to kill themselves rather than shoot someone else, while black men are more likely to use the gun to shoot someone else.

Yeah, not quite so clear cut now is it.

There are ways to reduce gun violence if that is the goal.
Problem is that it’s not a simple law or set of laws.
And very little of it is actually “gun control”.

It will involve violence reduction, gang outreach and education and mental health monitoring and treatment programs that are expensive, difficult to implement and have to be funded year after year for decades and will need to continue no matter how opposed the politicians are to them be they liberal or conservative.

1. The Orlando shooter had a CCW from his job working for one of the worlds largest security firms that dealt mostly in government contracts (like the Olympics). He passed three separate FBI background checks for that CCW, and for the two guns he bought that he used in the shooting. Universal background checks would not have prevented this shooting.

2. The assault weapons ban of the 90s would only have prevented federally licensed firearms dealers from selling the AR-15 (as well as prohibiting the manufacture of AR-15s). It didn’t affect the already millions of AR-15s already in the hands of upwards of 80 million civilians. The AR-15 is the single most popular firearm in history. Unless you want to confiscate every single one, an AWB would be highly ineffective at preventing this sort of mass shooting event. And since the shooting took place over a period of hours, a high capacity magazine ban wouldn’t have done anything either. It would only embolden law enforcement agencies, consolidating their power and giving them more of an excuse to patrol and surveil minority communities.

3. The vaaaaaaaast majority of firearm related homicides are committed with handguns, which SCOTUS already says the second amendment protects. Rifles make up less than a percent of all homicides, coming in under hammers in terms of total kill count.

Just an FYI for people making ridiculous claims about gun laws in this country.