hiccup the runt

One of the things I like most about Eret is that unlike other enemies, he was one at the beginning so it still counts, is that he never mocked Hiccup in any way.

Alvin called Hiccup “Stoick’s little embarrassment or runt.” Mildew treated him horribly and blaming the dragon problems on him. And Dagur always pokes at Hiccup’s size. Remember “this little runt of a… well you know what you are.” Even Drago said that Stoick must feel same for having Hiccup as a son! 

Eret never did anything like that. He showed no signs of underestimating Hiccup, and the only thing he though was ridiculous about him was that he thought he could change his opinion on dragons. 

I really hope Eret’s going to be in the third film, though I’m pretty sure he will be. There’s so much they can do with his character!

A sneak peak! Astrid the Dragon Hunter

“You just cost me a dragon.” Astrid spat, as she advanced towards the Night Fury, and its rider.

The Night Fury began growling, as she advanced. Its eyes were narrow slits, and razor sharp, triangular teeth were bared. ‘Toothless’ it appeared, was the farthest thing from toothless imaginable.

The rider removed his helmet. Astrid would have lied if she had said that she didn’t find him somewhat attractive. The rider was tall, and thin, with thick auburn hair, dark green eyes, and sharp jaw.

The rider shrugged nonchalantly.

“And if you are expecting an apology, you are going to have to wait a while.” The rider, again shrugged, as he stepped forward.

There was a metallic click as he stepped, which drew Astrid attention to the man’s leg. The rider wore a strange prosthetic. Where most men, and women that Astrid knew with lost limbs were happy enough with a simple peg, or hook, this man wore a seemingly complex device.

Probably somewhat fragile.

That was good to know.

Astrid now knew what to break to keep him from running. As for the dragon… Well she was in the hunting business after all.

“You, and your friends have cost me a lot, I hope you know.” Astrid growled, running a thumb down the edge of her axe, testing the sharpness of the edge.

“Well we do what we can.” The rider said, as he held his not-sword out in front of him. “It’s your own fault you know. You should have realised that you were taking that risk when you sailed into Berk’s waters.”

“Berk you say?” Then it dawned on her. “Your Stoick’s son. His little runt, Hiccup Haddock.”

If the casual insult bothered him, Hiccup didn’t let it show. “And you are a deranged psychopath, hunting our dragons. Pleased to meet you.”

Hiccup means "accident"

Just want to inform you that in the How To Train Your Dragon book series written by Cressida Cowell, Hiccup was named “Hiccup” because the name meant “accident”. The name was given to all the runts of the tribe who were not supposed to be born at all (“only the strong can belong”). These runts should be left alone into the sea or at the top of a mountain, and the gods would decide if they should live or not. This was part of the Viking Code and anyone who would disobey this very law would automatically spend the rest of their lives as Outcasts.

Stoick knew Hiccup was born a runt. Being the chief of the Hooligan tribe, he knew he must be the “role model” every single one of his people should follow. Yet he kept it a secret because he and Valhallarama (Valka’s name in the books) badly wanted a son. He never told Hiccup for he grew to love his boy as his heir, his only son, his own flesh and blood.

maedarakat  asked:

Apologies if you've answered this a long time ago, but what do you notice about how the teens individually react to praise/compliments versus criticism/insults? (From adults as well as their peers)

I haven’t answered the like, and I apologize for my own delay answering this!

I haven’t had the time to go through and rewatch a lot of episodes to make specific observations, so I’ll be talking about this from the top of my head, and hope I don’t forget something. :) This is a really cool topic, though, so I’d love to see people chime in with their own observations, in case I’ve forgotten something important! Because this is a really cool thing to talk about, and it highlights such interesting aspects of all of the characters!

You could really write separate analyses for all the characters, buuuut… well… I’ll try to be halfway brief. XD

Hiccup

Hiccup’s reaction to insults changes over the years. At the start of How to Train Your Dragon, he often receives insults with a certain glum acceptance. He has received many criticisms, after all, at this point in his life: his father berates him harshly, and the other youths taunt him for his mistakes. Hiccup does not stand up for himself directly when he receives poor treatment from the other youths, but simply takes it, unhappily, and plods forward. There’s a little bit of sarcasm, but you can hear in his voice that he takes the insult as it is. He just knows it’s a part of his life. 

Of course, if someone says something particularly obnoxious, as Gobber does at the start of HTTYD, Hiccup will give a disgusted stare. Other times, Hiccup tries so hard to be in denial that he’ll ignore Gobber’s insults and just try to brag about how he has raw powerful Viking strength. I imagine that his close relationship with Gobber makes him react differently; also, Gobber is either speaking with sarcasm or foot in mouth disease. It’s different than the criticisms and insults he hears from Stoick and the youths.

As Hiccup gains more self-confidence and more respect from the tribe, there are points where he responds to criticisms differently. Especially, during the late Riders of Berk time period up through Race to the Edge, Hiccup is at his most confident, and that can be seen in how he responds to criticisms and insults. Hiccup is more likely to snap back at someone - especially Snotlout; respond with directed, biting sarcasm (though he’s always been sarcastic); and even lash out, if the situation is extreme enough. Hiccup gets outright offended in “Reign of Fireworms” when the Thorstons demote him to “stableboy.”

But the biggest moment where Hiccup reacts to an insult is when interacting with Alvin. Alvin’s words at first do not get under Hiccup’s skin. He calls Hiccup a “runt” when they first meet in “Alvin and the Outcasts,” but he makes the same insult to Hiccup later in “We Are Family Part 2″ - to get quite the reaction. Hiccup has been worked up. He and Toothless were treated incredibly poorly, chained, imprisoned, kept without food… Hiccup is going to think very little of Alvin. So when Hiccup finally escapes, and hears Alvin taunting at him… Hiccup actually gets into a rare dark episode and tries to shoot Alvin.

During HTTYD 2, Hiccup has learned how to handle insults. When Drago mocks Hiccup the time they meet, Hiccup just moves on and pursues the conversation. Altogether, then, we see a growth: first, Hiccup glumly accepts insults with a low self-esteem. Then his self-esteem rises, and with it, comes less tolerance of insults and criticisms. By the time of HTTYD 2, he has matured, so that he knows when to let insults just pass him by.

As far as compliments are concerned, Hiccup is interesting as well. Compliments tend to be things Hiccup is shocked about, touched about, slightly disbelieving about, or a combination of the above. Especially, when Hiccup hears something from Astrid and Stoick, he glows. It means so much to him to gain their approval… and thus he lights up. He strives so hard for his father’s approval that when Daddy says “good job,” Hiccup even puffs up and stands straighter.

Hiccup is a bit more casual receiving compliments from his peer group. He becomes accustomed to it, in a way, during the Riders of Berk time period. It’s because his peers have come to accept Hiccup as the leader of the Dragon Academy, and as is such, they bring with them respect and regard for Hiccup. They know at this point Hiccup is an extremely talented dragon rider. It means that, when they acknowledge this, Hiccup just takes it in stride. They know, he knows, they all know this is true.

Hiccup isn’t someone who rejects a compliment when he receives one, but there are times where you can tell he doesn’t believe it, either. The one I’m thinking about is in HTTYD 2 where Astrid tries to convince Hiccup he has what it takes to be chief. Hiccup is just discomfited. His mental framework is that he isn’t like Stoick - therefore, he’s not a good chiefly candidate. Astrid’s words don’t hurt anything, but they don’t help, either. These compliments simply pass him by, and it’s clear he needs to experience and understand his leadership skills for himself.

Astrid

I think how Astrid responds to insults is obvious. Regardless of who it is, she will become quite irritated. If the words are stupid or taunting enough, she will even attack the person. Astrid has rushed out to confront many a person… though Snotlout seems to receive the majority of her physical frustrations. Astrid is someone who has learned to physically defend herself, and when someone even gives a verbal insult, she will rush to defend herself - both with shouts and with a physical action. If she doesn’t respond with a physical reaction, such as what happens when Tuffnut in HTTYD says Hiccup is better than she is, she will at least snarl.

Astrid is a bit more awkward with compliments. If it comes from the right person, she will pull her body inward and sometimes pull at her hair. I feel like the base of this stems from her family history. The Hoffersons lost a lot of status with Fearless Finn Hofferson and the Flightmare. Astrid is so quick to defender herself, and a bit awkward with compliments from some individuals, because of family honor issues. But all things considered, Astrid isn’t bad at receiving compliments either.

And when Astrid receives compliments or acknowledgements from her peers over things she knows she does well, she takes it in stride. She accepts it with confidence and a small knowing smile. If the twins or Snotlout talk about her physical strengths and fighting abilities, she keeps on going. She does not react too much because she knows it is true, but you can see that pride she holds in herself. She’s proud that she has these strengths.

Fishlegs

I think I like how Fishlegs responds to compliments best. He scrunches his shoulders, pulls his neck in, sometimes squeezes his arms in and upward, and gets all cute and giggly. That little titter of his when he receives a compliment is adorable. He has that, “Aww, shucks,” response to good feedback.

When Fishlegs receives criticisms or insults, it depends who it’s from. From authorities or other intimidating figures, he’s likely to get jumpy. If it’s from someone he doesn’t respect like Snotlout, he gets mouthy-ish. I mean, Fishlegs isn’t mouthy, but it’s the closest he ever gets to it. Tetchy. That’s the word. He might discount the insult by pointing out the other’s worse folly, or giving a counterargument to negate those words. 

Ruffnut and Tuffnut

How the twins respond to insults is one of the most interesting things to me ever, especially with RTTE S2 confirming many of my suspicions of them. The twins work together as a team, holding together in solidarity. Oftentimes they intentionally act silly when they receive criticism and insults, as demonstrated at the start of Edge of Disaster Part 1. By joking around together and playing off one another, pretending not to be serious, the twins divert the conversation, cheer each other up, but sometimes also make a point that the other people in the conversation are being unnecessarily harsh. Basically, the twins protect themselves from insults by not being serious. It’s an interesting defense mechanism.

Of course, they also legitimately don’t care a lot of the time. There are moments I’m sure they do care and it gets to them (Ruffnut and Tuffnut lash out at Astrid later in this episode, after all), but there are other times that the twins knows they are lazy, and no amount of criticism will make them care. The twins have a different set of priorities, and if someone criticizes them about priorities they don’t have, it’ll slide right off their backs.

However, because the twins are so accustomed to being insulted by their peers (because their peers don’t share the twins’ priorities), they get legitimately shocked when someone compliments them. “What?” is usually their first response. It’s always a double-take, making sure they didn’t mishear. And this is the same regardless of whether it’s a youth or an adult - for everyone has about the same opinion of the twins: exasperation and bemusement.

So I was just sketching up random poses because this is what Saber does when she is forced to draw traditionally and eventually I started to form this half-chibiish style. It sort of reminded me of Soul Eater!Hijack for some reason, so I figured I’d just go with it.

So here’s a redraw of my take on a Hiccup / Jack design for a Soul Eater AU. ^^ Sort of a remake of this older picture of mine. (colored. ;u;)

While we’re talking about SoulEater!Hijack, check out Snow-Runt’s Soul Eater Hijack ask blog~ ask-soul-eater-frostcup <33//awkwardly promotes

Sketches by me.

~Saber

httydbooks-doodler  asked:

Do you think Gustav has similarities with Hiccup? I mean, the whole runt/troublemaker/is one thing, but his meeting with Fanghook has some parallels to Hiccup and Toothless(Not to mention Gustav also keeps training with his dragon in secret)! I was actually surprised to find that Hiccup didn't find connections between his old self and Gustav. Those Gustav episodes were probably the ones that made me a bit disappointed about Hiccup... What do you think?

This is really fascinating. To be honest, I had not made the correlation myself.

But you’re right. Gustav and teenaged Hiccup have many things going on for them.

  • They screw things up. They catch public buildings on fire. They irritate everyone around them. Hiccup knocking out Vikings and knocking down watch towers in HTTYD is akin to Gustav lighting topiaries and Snotlout on fire in RTTE.
  • They usually screw up when they’re trying to be their rolemodel and when they’re trying to fit into society. Hiccup in HTTYD wreaked disaster when he tried to be a dragon killer like everyone else on Berk. Gustav in the television series wreaks disaster when he tries to be a dragon rider.
  • They’re both trying to fit into their peer group. Hiccup wants to be with the other youths his age, accepted as a dragon fighter. Gustav wants to be with the Dragon Riders and be a Dragon Rider.
  • If they’re rebuked, they go out and try to prove themselves. Even when it’s completely disobeying authority. Hiccup runs out behind his father’s back to try to kill Toothless at the start of HTTYD. He continues doing that once he befriends the dragon. Gustav is told by Hiccup not to train Hookfang yet because he’s not ready. Gustav does it anyway. And after Hiccup tells Gustav not to play with the Dragon Eye, the kid snatches that Dragon Eye and goes off on a very unauthorized adventure.
  • They’re emotional and impulsive. They act upon how they feel.
  • They’re both intelligent, clever boys who can make smart decisions during danger.
  • They both are better than they are perceived by society.

This makes me really excited the more I think about it. Thank you so much for bringing this idea! I think it’s a really fascinating parallel.

And it makes one moment in Race to the Edge even better for me.

I always loved the scene where Hiccup rebukes the Larson boy in “Gone Gustav Gone.” It’s fascinating irony how Hiccup rants about irresponsibility and placing lives in danger… when Stoick rants about Hiccup being irresponsible and dangerous in both HTTYD and HTTYD 2.

Placing an analogy between Hiccup and Gustav makes this RTTE moment even more a parallel.

First, Stoick’s rant to Hiccup in HTTYD is as follows:

Stoick: Stop! Just… stop. Every time you step outside, disaster follows. Can you not see that I have bigger problems? Winter’s almost here and I have an entire village to feed!
Hiccup: Between you and me, the village could do with a little less feeding, don’t you think?
Stoick: This isn’t a joke, Hiccup! Why can’t you follow the simplest orders?
Hiccup: I can’t stop myself. I see a dragon and I have to just… kill it, you know? It’s who I am, Dad.
Stoick: You are many things, Hiccup. But a dragon killer is not one of them. Get back to the house. Make sure he gets there. I have his mess to clean up.

Now read the RTTE script in “Gone Gustav Gone”:

Hiccup: Of all the irresponsible, insubordinate… of all the kind of stunts you could have pulled, this was the worst. Do you know what Dagur would do to get his hands on the Dragon Eye?
Gustav: I just thought if you came back with the treasure you guys would accept me.
Hiccup: First of all, there is no treasure. Second of all, we’ve already been there, and that entire island is honeycombed with the most unstable caverns we’ve ever encountered.
Gustav: I’m sorry, I just -
Hiccup: You could have been killed, Gustav. Fanghook could have been killed. Look, this isn’t Berk. Gustav, the rules are different out here. You have to be smarter than this.
Gustav: I just wanted to prove myself.
Hiccup: Ohhh you have. You have proven that you are not responsible enough, you’re not mature enough, and you’re not trustworthy enough to be one of us. Now, it’s - it’s been a long day. We all need some rest. We’ll talk about this in the morning.

These two conversations totally have the same format. I’m going to call the two roles “Authority” and “Rebel” just to simplify things and talk about both conversations simultaneously.

So the first line the Authority states has the following points: rebuking the Rebel for their poor actions, asking the Rebel a question to see if they understand the gravity of their mistake, and pointing out to the rebel the significance of the situation. In HTTYD, Stoick complains that disaster follows every time Hiccup steps outside, that Hiccup needs to figure out Stoick has bigger problems to worry about than his son getting in trouble, and that the big problem is feeding an entire village before winter. Hiccup in RTTE complains that Gustav is irresponsible and disobedient, and that the big problem he needs to consider is that Dagur possessing the Dragon Eye would be dangerous.

The second line in the dialogue is the Rebel’s response. It’s an attempt to deflect the Authority’s tirade. They try to lessen the situation and get the Authority to quit thinking about the big mistake. Hiccup tries to crack a joke about the village needing less feeding, thus lessening the severity of Stoick’s worry of gathering food before winter. Gustav tries to point out that his action could have gotten him accepted by the others. 

Now it’s the Authority’s turn to respond. And they’re not pleased. They cut down the Rebel’s first reply and point out how poorly it is in taste. Hiccup shouldn’t be making jokes about the village getting food. Gustav shouldn’t be trying to go after the treasure since there is no treasure in the first place. 

The Rebel responds by trying to defend themselves. Hiccup says that killing a dragon is who he is as a person. He can’t help himself. This is all about Hiccup wanting to prove himself. Gustav, in turn, outright admits that, “I just wanted to prove myself.” They’re both accepting that what they did had negative impact, but they’re still defending themselves, too. It’s because they wanted acceptance and applause, not criticism and segregation.

But the Authority gives the final say. They tell the Rebel that they haven’t proven good things. They’ve proven that they’ve failed in this area and aren’t trustworthy. Stoick says that Hiccup is not a dragon killer - after all, Hiccup has wrecked up the situation. In RTTE, Hiccup tells Gustav he’s not a dragon rider - since he also screwed up his situation, too. The Authority excludes the Rebel from the group they want to be a part of, and then they end the conversation. They dismiss it. Stoick sends Hiccup off to his house. Hiccup sends everyone off to sleep for the night.

Hiccup has just done exactly what his father did in HTTYD.

The sad thing is… Hiccup doesn’t learn. Somehow, he doesn’t internalize who he is, how irresponsible he can be, and how his choices can negatively impact others.

After all, Stoick berates Hiccup in the second movie, too. It also follows the same general format as the two conversations I describe above. And, what’s even more painful… Stoick uses the same language to begin his rant in HTTYD 2 as Hiccup does in “Gone Gustav Gone.”

“Of all the irresponsible…” Stoick begins, ranting about his son’s insubordinate behavior.

“Of all the irresponsible…” Hiccup begins, ranting about Gustav’s insubordinate behavior.

So how can Hiccup literally keep doing this? If Hiccup knows how frustrating it is for a kid like Gustav to be mutinous and irresponsible, why does he do the exact same thing in HTTYD 2? Why hasn’t he learned from HTTYD, and why does he rant like his father does in both movies?

I think the thing with Hiccup is that he doesn’t fully see it. Hiccup can see Gustav’s disobedient behavior clearly because he’s the leader in RTTE. He knows he knows best because he’s met Dagur face-to-face. But in HTTYD 2, Hiccup fully believes he is doing the right act by defying his father and speaking to Drago. He hasn’t met Drago face-to-face. The difference is that Hiccup can’t see he’s somewhat in the wrong in the second movie. He’s just living by experience, and he hasn’t mentally connected how alike these experiences are.

It makes for a really fascinating cycle of events. In the first movie, Hiccup hates being rebuked by his father. In Race to the Edge, he rebukes others just like his father did for the same problems. But he still continues to do rebukable actions in HTTYD 2.

Hiccup and Gustav really are alike.

It makes me wonder who Gustav is going to become in the future. Will he berate little kids for being irresponsible with their dragons? What will he be like once he leaves that role of being the rebuked, but instead becomes the leader? Does he have the potential of leadership before him because he’s bold enough to go forward with his own thoughts.

And if we want to defend Hiccup, we can recall that he learns his lesson in “Gone Gustav Gone.” He admits his own responsibility. And after the events of HTTYD 2, I doubt there’ll be any stupid repeats. Or at least I hope not.

Dear Thor. I love Hiccup. I love Gustav. And your observation made me love the little Larson kid even more. Thanks so much for bringing this idea of paralleling Gustav and Hiccup. I totally think there’s something cool in this analogy.