hi dr. turtle

stupidpointlessusername  asked:

Hi Dr. Turtle-Paced. In an earlier ask, you've said "This is exactly what’s happened with “healthy skepticism.” The entire structure of modern skeptical thought has been dragged into a fantasy setting where nothing remotely like that thought has been established." I'm curious as Rene Descartes is perhaps the most famous (pre-modern) skeptic of all; and he was writing under the shadow of the Church. Are u suggesting that a similar habits couldn't take root amongst members trained at the Citadel?

Sure, those habits could absolutely arise! And in the show’s universe we have not a whit of evidence to say that they have. On the other hand, we have mountains and mountains and mountains of evidence that the show’s writers are actively anti-religious, and don’t know much about religious tradition and thought.

Melisandre’s honest and misguided belief that her actions are necessary to save the world was sidelined in favour of portraying her as essentially a con, and then to break her of that faith. Selyse Baratheon has no characterisation beyond her religion and hating her daughter. Aeron Greyjoy has no function on screen but to validate Euron’s ascension, all interiority and backstory lost. Lancel’s re-dedication to faith was not depicted as a desperate and unhealthy search for absolution, but mindless zealotry. 

The High Sparrow just plain doesn’t make sense, not as a character and not as a character who would arise naturally as part of the circumstances depicted on the show. Septon Ray is worse - a “good” religious character is one who doesn’t know or care about the gods. These characters both come across to me as modern stereotypes of religious people. Neither has any real depth. The High Sparrow’s one monologue about himself and how he came to convert is baffling, focusing not on any experience of the divine or sense of being guided in his life, but pure self-loathing.

It’s also worth looking at show!Sansa’s loss of faith, explained in the one sentence, “I’m done with that now.” This is linked in a conversation to her once being a stupid little girl with stupid dreams. There’s no school of thought here, just “religion is stupid.” The depiction of atheists and the depiction of religious people alike comes back not to any sort of school of thought about the non-existence of a god or gods, but that knee-jerk “religion is stupid.”