Considering the new recollection, do you have any opinion about hasebe's relation with nihongou? Their convo seems a bit tense (altho not as much as sone and mutsu)...
i was being really excited over their interactions in chat earlier LOL
okay so first for anyone who doesn’t know please check our their Recollections (20and 21) AND the footnotes included, because it’s essential to understanding their relationship
so the person Heshi references in one of his quotes:
“Even though he bestowed my name upon me, he passed me down to the likes of someone who wasn’t even one of his ministers. Such was the man who was my previous master.”
is actually speculated to be Kuroda Kanbei! which is funny because Oda Nobunaga once thought Kuroda Kanbei was spying on him for someone else, and wanted to execute his son Kuroda Nagamasa as punishment. Except he ended up forgetting about the order. oops.
so he passes heshi onto the kuroda clan, and as you know, heshi’s not the biggest fan of nobunaga after that, because he thinks his master, the one who gave him his name, is betraying him. so it’s understandable that he might hold some resentment towards the kuroda clan as well, since after he’s under their care, he’s never really used as a weapon again and is treasured as a family heirloom. for heshi, who lives to serve and fight for a master, this is like the ultimate insult to his existence, to be idle and not actively serving a master.
in the footnotes for recollection 20, you’ll see that heshi’s master in the kuroda family had a higher standing than nihongou’s master, so nihongou’s trying to provoke him by saying that heshi’s looking down on him.
the interesting thing about recollection 21 is that the conditions for getting it seem to be that you have to send heshi and nihongou on a certain # of sorties together before you’ll get it (unconfirmed). nihongou’s pretty loyal to the kuroda family (his owner is the kuroda family’s most famous vassal, mori tahei), so he’s wondering why heshi always talks about nobunaga instead of the kuroda family, whom he spent much more time with.
he actually threatens to break heshi (wao) before heshi finally says something, and he seemed to actually like his master with the kuroda family (nagamasa). it’s a little sad because he says, 我々は人間より長くこの世に残る。だから忘れることにした – “Unlike humans, we remain behind in this world for much longer. That’s why I chose to forget (him).” he obviously tries not to let that keep him down though
and the best part is that nihongou’s one of the only characters that’s (canonically) able to coax this kind of stuff out of heshi, who’d otherwise just talk about the current master (you) or make remarks about nobunaga. and towards the end heshi seems to respect him too?? like that brings me back to the fact that the requirement for recollection 21 seems to be a repeated number of sorties with the swords together
augh i just. really like heshi and how his feelings towards his masters are just SO COMPLICATED?? and i’m so happy for his interaction with nihongou because it fleshes both of their personalities out so much
i’m sorry this is kinda turning into a “HESHI NEEDS MORE APPRECIATION OUTSIDE OF JAPAN” post but really he needs to not just be a meme and i wish people knew more history about not just him but all the swords
#1 - Motive. So far every member of the A Team has been a “victim” of Ali’s. First Mona. Then Toby. Lucas. Hanna was tormented the most by Ali out of the girls, with Ali always commenting on Hannah’s weight, and even teaching her how to purge. And none of the girls ever stuck up for her. Aria even apparently STILL makes comments. Motive.
#2 - Once Ali was gone, Hanna “took her place”. Emily even kinda says so in the pilot, saying Hanna is the “it girl” now. It has also been mentioned by Detective Wilden. They point it out quite often actually.
#3 - Hanna’s solution is ALWAYS to lie. Remember 1x21? Aria had just found out about Jackie and was really upset. Emily suggests sitting down and talking to Ezra about it. Hanna’s response was…..well…..kinda -A like.
Or how about when Emily wrote the fake Danby letter promising a scholarship? Hanna was all about the lie. And we know Hanna is all about forgery lol
#4 - Hanna always defended Mona. When the girls found out Mona was A, Hanna still defended her. Saying that “she was constantly tortured by Ali”. She even continued visiting her in Radley, and ALWAYS offered excused for her.
#5 - Hanna is apparently also an expert on forging handwriting? She says she used to fake her mom’s signature for gym class. Ok, I buy that, we all did, right? But that’s a signature. Faking HANDWRITING is a whole new art. Even Spencer was impressed…
#5 - The speech. The kicker for me was Hanna’s speech in 3x08. Read it carefully…
#6 - Anyone else thinks it’s odd that all of the girls look directly at Hanna in the intro? And Hanna just kinda looks off to the side?
#7 - Maya’s website. In 3x10 the liars finally break into Maya’s website. While the other girls all want to wait for Emily to get there, because it seems very private and personal. So what does Hanna do? Print out every single photo, blow them up, and order them by date and location. First off, sound familiar?? Secondly, what does this prove? Hanna has no problem digging through peoples personal lives to find clues. And third, that she is smarter than she puts on. That’s how they found out Maya was staying at Noel’s.
#8 - She has crazy in the family. Nothing is random in Roswood. So what was with the story about cousin Heshy? How he lost his mind in high school? The story COULD have been to make Mona seem more humanized or relatable or something, but Hanna was already feeling sorry for Mona. So what was the purpose? To show that Hanna has some mental problems in the family?
#9 - Hanna is apparently an expert on tailing people? She SAYS it was from following her dad when he was cheating on her mom or whatever. But is that it??
#10 - Why did Hanna keep the diary? When she found the diary in the lair, she immediately put it safely in her purse. When she finally gave the diary to the liars, they realized Ali’s entries had been altered….hmmm….who was it that is an expert at forging handwriting again?
#11 - She didn’t shoot -A. WHY?!?! That was everyones biggest question after 4x24. “Why didn’t Hanna shoot -A?!” She was aiming the gun literally right at them, and they were a still target, three times. Once when they were on the same roof, once when they were dangling from the other roof, and once when they stopped at the door on the other roof. And Hanna never shot….could it be because she was protecting them?
#12 -Zach’s note. We all know -A hates for weddings to happen. Hanna stopped her dad’s wedding (though sadly not the marriage), and now Hanna stopped Ella’s wedding from happening too! Zach said that Hanna slid this note into his pocket. Not that it was mailed to him, or taped to his door, or found at the grill, but it was SLID INTO HIS POCKET. Can’t exactly fake that. idk. Something about this scene just seemed very OFF to me. This IS her handwriting, she admitted that. And again, this wouldn’t be the first wedding Hanna has sabotaged a wedding.
#13 - She’s faking dumb. Have you ever noticed some of Hanna’s lines are just a little TOO dumb, but at the same time she has one of the quickest wits? Oh and then Caleb finds Hanna’s list of colleges. She cover’s by not pretending to know what the SAT’s were called. But says she scored really well on them. Mona ALSO got into a few very prestigious schools. Annnndd Mona also faked dumb.
#14 - She knows who -A is. In the Halloween appreciation episode, it was revealed that Troian and Ashley both know who -A is. The other cast members were kind of shocked to hear this. But why would Ashley know?? Why?? Unless she NEEDS to know? I think it will be revealed that Hanna is big -A, and Spencer is the one that is going to expose her.
When Mona was discovered as A she said “You bitches underestimated me” Well who do we underestimate more than Hanna? None of us really expected Mona to be A (unless we read the books), cause she was just kinda a materialistic “dumb” girl. But alas, she was. Plus Marlene King said we will be SHOCKED at who else is on the A Team….