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anonymous asked:

since you were talking about that, genuine question (I don't want to start a fight or anything!): was Henry VII unfaithfull to Elizabeth? did he have mistress(es)?


short answer: no. there is no account, no record, no proof supporting the idea that Henry has a mistress.

long answer: Nowadays, there is this tendency in fiction to paint Henry as a lecher and lusty man, and more precisely, as having an passionate affair with Katherine Gordon, the wife of the pretender Perkin Warbeck that threatened his reign during almost 10 years. A woman that became later lady-in-waiting of Queen Elizabeth.
So i will talk mainly about her since this idea is what i found in almost EVERY talk of Henry aving an ~~affair.
I will say it plain: there is no evidence or contemporary rumors of an affair between Henry and Katherine (or any other woman btw). 
some facts: Katherine was close to James King of Scots, a kinswoman of the scottish Monarch. Knowing the relationship between England and Scotland (to be short: very complicated ones), she couldn’t be treated badly at Court —on the contrary. So she gained a high place in the Ladies in waiting of the Queen and was treated with respect following the King’s demand. Maybe it was even a way to watch after her as she was the wife of the prentender’s Warbeck. Furthermore, she was known to be highborn, kind and pretty. These reasons are explanation for the good treatment she received.
Tbh, Henry was a man and did enjoy the sight of the beauty of women. There is this letter he sent to Spain before Katherine of Aragon joined England to marry his son where he asked that the spanish ladies escorting her had to be pretty and at least ‘not ugly’. Or when after Lizzie’s death, he sent letters asking precisely the physical description of the different candidates for a possible new marriage (like the shape, hair, breast, waist…). And there is another anecdote, when he received a beautiful Princess from Portugal, and he welcame her with an embrace ‘a little bit too long’. So he seem to enjoy beauty. And Katherine is depicted as beautiful… so Henry could have wanted that her stay was pleasant. Knowing how Henry is depicted as inscrutable and hard to ‘win’, imagining him trusting and seducing the wife of pretender who fought him during a decade is… what? it’s Henry VII we are talking about!
and i genuinely think, it would have be noted somewhere if Henry was lusting after another woman at Court. It was noted he admired her (by the flowery Andre).
They could have been acquaintances or even friends. Why not? Man/woman friendship exists. Maybe he was even charmed at some points by her but Henry was recorded as devoted and ‘faithful’ during his marriage. And do you think that EoY, Queen of England, ruling over her own household, would have kept the mistress of her husband by her side? no. IIRC, Katherine of Aragon, wife of henry VIII, dismissed Anne Boleyn as soon as she perceived Anne was a threat for her marriage… Sure, EoY is not the same nature as Katherine, but accepting the mistress of your husband in your household? no.
Being a high born lady from Scotland. Henry couldn’t permit her to be badly treated as she was close to the scottish King. Some people like to use the ‘Henry bought her expensive gowns’ as an evidence of him being smitten but *BREAKING NEWS*  Kings regularly bought expensive clothes to their wives’ attendants! Interesting to notice that the few dresses he bought to Katherine happened around the period the discussion for an alliance between England and Scotland started. Clothes were made for her as the companion of Margaret Tudor, daughter of Henry, for her marriage with James IV of Scotland. Spending money on the ladies-in-waiting or dancers or minstrel was something common for him. He was not a miser when it was for the prestige of his Court.
For what happened after Elizabeth’s death, perhaps they spent time together, bonding over Elizabeth’s memory and Henry held fondness for her (when she joined the Court the first time, he asked that Katherine had to be treated ‘like a sister’ and i do think that he percevied her at first as a victim of Perkin’s plan, feeling sorry for her -a highborn mady married to a liar) and i think that they became friends, a sort of pleasant companionship for Henry. They played cards together and she even give him a present a few days before his death.
A Scots chronicler/ambassador wrote about that time they spent together after the Queen’s death, that one ”would have thought they were secretly married…” but this account was written 20 years after Henry’s death. And in Scotland. Sadly, the whole Katherine Gordon drama comes from this very ‘reliable’ account (and the gowns) and i am like ‘oh’…Looking secretely married means she is mistress? hmmm idk
Furthermore, Henry’s household was right next door to his son’s rooms, so if something ever happened between them (or with any other woman), Prince Henry -and ourself- would have known now if she was his mistress. And the King was feeble and weak, his condition more and more deficient during his last years. Having a mistress now would have been almost incongruous (i have already difficulties to picture him sexually active).
Catherine didn’t remain at the Court all the times after Elizabeth’s death and left the palace like the rest of the ladies in waiting, but she visited the court regularly. And she had to wait 1510, during Henry VIII’s reign, to obtain letters of denization to be considered as a English citizen, including the right to hold land, to marry and to travel… If Henry was truly smitten by her, he could have at least given her the simple right to own her own place. But he didn’t. Catherine was  virtually a prisoner.
So really, nothing reall support the idea of them as lovers. Close acquaintances, why not? She indeed visited him, talking, playing cards with him, and even visiting him a few days before his death to offer him clothes, but she clearly acted like a nurse, a companion, a support. Not as a mistress. I am not an historian. I can’t be 100% sure but this is my viewpoint with all i know about Henry and the little is known about Katherine, and the evidences we have.
a last point: no matter who you are, even the King, you do not put your mistress as the chief mourner at your wife’s funeral.

And, imho, if Henry took a mistress, why not a new wife? Knowing Henry’s fear to have just one and only son as heir, knowing his fear for his dynasty and his want to keep the throne, knowing his love for money as well, he could have remarried for political purpose, to strenghten his position as King and to gain a new dowry as well –or just by personal comfort. 
But he didn’t, despite being something expected for King.

in conclusion: no contemporary account or rumor or fact support the idea of him having a mistress.

voilà! i hope my answer please you anon :)



Tammy Sanchez met Henry Cavill and Gina Carano yesterday afternoon in Downtown, Chicago! We know all of Henry’s fans (and Gina’s fans) are dying for details and Tammy was gracious enough to give those details exclusively to Henry Cavill Online!
Tammy has been a fan of Henry and Gina’s for quite some time so when she heard that they were in Chicago last weekend, she was eager to try and meet them. She was in Downtown, Chicago yesterday afternoon when she read a tweet from some one who just walked by Henry on Michigan Ave. According to Tammy, she was heading south on Michigan Ave. when she spotted Henry and Gina casually strolling down the Magnificent Mile taking in the sights. She eventually caught up to them and this is what she told us about her encounter:
I said, “Excuse me, guys?” That’s when Henry turned around and said, “Yes?” As Gina turned around I asked, “Henry? Gina?” and they exclaimed, “Yes!” with a smile. I had to take a brief moment to compose myself before I told them that I was a huge fan of both of them. They thanked me and said that was really nice. I told Gina I saw her movie In The Blood last week and that she was wonderful in it. She smiled and thanked me. I apologized for bothering them and asked if I could have my pictures taken with them and Henry said, “Yes! Of course we would love to!” and Gina said, “Absolutely.”

I got the camera ready on my phone and gave it to Henry before I hugged Gina. She hugged me back while Henry snapped the photo. After the photo was taken, I gave Gina another big hug before Henry handed my phone to her. I stood next to Henry and squeezed him a little while Gina took the photo. I told them both that I loved them very much and I think they’re wonderful. Gina said I was very sweet and Henry thanked me. I asked why they were in Chicago. Henry said, “We’re here just for enjoyment.” I told him I know he is filming the Man of Steel sequel in Michigan and he said, “Yes, we are filming it right now up in Detroit.” I turned to Gina and asked her if this was her first time in Chicago. She said it was not and that she has been here before a couple of times. She then asked, “What about you?” So I told them I was born and raised here. Henry then said, “Well it’s a lovely, lovely city.” I told them that I was glad and they are hanging out in one of the best areas.

I didn’t want to take up any more of their time (I’m totally lying I would have loved to talk to them all day but I did interrupt their vacation after all) so I wrapped up the conversation by thanking them again and that’s when Henry put out his hand, cocked his head, bent over a little, grinned and said, “Well it was a pleasure meeting you.”  I shook his hand, then Gina’s as she said, “It is a pleasure meeting you.” And I said the same and told them that I hope they enjoy the rest of their stay here. They thanked me and we said our goodbyes.
It was a short encounter but very sweet. Although I interrupted their afternoon stroll they were not in the least bit annoyed. They were warm, welcoming and very relaxed while talking to me. They are two beautiful people inside and out and I am truly honored to have met them. It was AMAZING!

(P.S. They looked like they were having a great time. Very comfortable, stress fee and HAPPY. God bless them)

We are very happy to know that Henry was able to take some time off from work to enjoy the sights of Chicago since he was not able to while he filmed Man of Steel.
A big thank you to Tammy Sanchez for sharing her photos and her story with us!