Just look at what a perfect little royal pair We’re gonna make ‘Cause everyone is absolutely unaware we two are both completely fake You’ve been grand for the plots I have planned And my gratitude’s profound and large Nows the time for the world to know that I’m Hardly harmless Ill-equipped or armless No I’m Prince Charmless And I’m in charge
Since this fandom will undoubtedly come out of hibernation now that pre-production is actually underway here’s my hopes for the setting of the sequel.
Something I’d personally like to see more of in Frozen 2 is The Southern Isles and its royal family.
I want to meet all twelve of Hans’s older brothers and his parents. I want them all to have fleshed out personalities and unique character designs. I think there’s a story there that’s worth telling and one that can transition nicely into what we’ve already been told.
For the record I don’t count A Frozen Heart by Elizabeth Rudnick as canon. It was a half-hearted and contemptuous attempt on Hans’s family. I don’t think I’ll ever get over her poor choice of names for some of them like Runo and Caleb. Did she even try? What I consider canon is what’s written and created at the Disney Animation Studios by JLee and CBuck. *sigh*
So ignoring that rendition…
I would like to see Frozen 2 take place in a setting that is new but not entirely foreign to the audience. The Southern Isles offers such a golden opportunity; not only in its setting but also with its introduction to new characters without the obscure explanations. The Southern Isles and Hans’s family was one of the more curious aspects of the original and to not elaborate on it would be a waste.
I also don’t think bringing in an entirely new villain to wreck havoc on Arendelle - especially one with powers - would be at all interesting. It’d be expected and boring to keep the entire film in Arendelle and just have the gang battle it out with a fire witch or some nonsense like that.
The best thing the writers could do is take the curious elements from the story they already have such as the trolls, foreign affairs, that archaic book and elaborate on those instead. Make it all come full circle but by also tying it back to the original HCA’s version instead of creating completely new content that’ll only confuse the audience even more.
So those are my thoughts on the setting and how it could work with the story. Agree or disagree? What are your wishes for the setting of Frozen 2?
“Hans can’t be redeemed, because he’s irredeemable.”
Apparently Hans is totally irredeemable? Hmmm…
Prince Zuko (The Last Airbender): Hunted down a twelve year old with the intentions of handing him over to his murderous father. Status: Redeemed.
Kovu (Lion King 2): Planned to infiltrate Simba’s pride with the intention of murdering Simba. Status: Redeemed.
Eddie Brock/Venom (Spider-Man Animated Series): Became a villain to get revenge against Peter Parker/Spiderman. Responsible for traumatizing Mary Jane Watson. Status: Redeemed.
Prince Vegeta (DragonBall Z): Murdered countless individuals across the galaxy, merely to prove he was the strongest warrior in the universe. Status: Redeemed.
Regina Mills/Evil Queen (Once Upon A Time): Killed thousands of men women, and children, including her own father, during her reign. Its also believed that she raped The Huntsman (Sheriff Graham) Status: Redeemed.
Darth Vader (Star Wars): Responsible for the extermination of the Jedi Order. Butchered younglings. Tortured and killed any Jedi who survived the purge. Killed any officer who failed him. Is considered the most iconic villain in film history. Status: Redeemed.
At this point in time, it doesn’t matter to me if Helsa becomes canon or not. (I might have already talked about this), because thinking about it, just like any ship in the frozen fandom (besides Kristanna which is canon) Helsa is possible but still a bit of a longshot. So really at this point in time of waiting for the sequel, or even a gosh darn cast list, I don’t need a kiss or anything between Hans and Elsa.
All I’d want from the sequel, is Hans being redeemed. Him and Elsa working together in a twist of events, because that would be hella more interesting, especially for a Disney film. The villain and hero working together, maybe as a win win situation, hans helps Elsa, so Elsa helps him, or for a common goal, or to fight a common enemy.
I mean it was said 3 years ago (yes three gosh darn years ago) that the writers want to redeem Hans. But how they redeem him has so many routes to take. How Helsa becomes canon or not, isn’t a concern of mine. I love Helsa, but even to me, if hans and Elsa become friends and show signs or forgiveness, maybe even Hans showing feelings by the end of the film, that’s still canon in my eyes.
Cause that to me has an infinitely more interesting story then just a typical “problem, new character comes and helps save the day by new villian”, cause let’s be honest… Having a villain redeemed in an animated Disney film is already a huge fantastic step than doing typical things.
Also, it’s definitley a longshot rumour of Anna becoming the villain, because it makes no sense. How could Anna, who risked her life for his sister, who was shut out by her for years, randomly become evil?
I don’t know, but what I find appealing about the idea, is Elsa isn’t going along to fight Anna, but to try and save her. Just like Anna saved Elsa.
Anna didn’t give up on Elsa, so Elsa obviously won’t give up on Anna.
Plus, Elsa was in some form a villain in the first film, having her take a role similar to Anna’s in the first film is a good idea.
But how would Hans come into the mix?
Kristoff would make more sense, but at the same time, Kristoff working with Elsa could cause confusing and the idea they’d fall for each other. Hans too, still had some connection to Anna. And it would be more open to how Hans and Elsa’s relationship could grow. Become bigger enemies, just walk out of each others lives forever, become friends, or even spark affection, but again, it’s open to much more of a story arc and interactions.
Kristoff and Hans share qualities of having an unknown past according to the viewer, but all kristoff knows is how he grew up with ice harvesters. For all we know he never knew his parents, or his line of history, and a story where he finds those things out, would be more fitting in a story where Anna discovers it with him, not Elsa. And having a sequel with Elsa basically the villain again, is a boring recreation of the first movie. (That’s why it’s unfortunate you didn’t learn more about Kristoff in the first film, but they were focusing on the sisters relationship)
Hans on the other hand, We don’t know alot of why he just came to Arendelle and did what he did. All his actions and facial details, his personality changes depending on who he’s speaking to, they’re all details to a past we never learned about.
Jen Lee stated that Hans’ actions were caused by lack of love… That seems like a very important detail they forgot to add.
Ursula used to work in the palace, and was kicked out. The stepmother in snow-white didn’t want to be second most beautiful. Heck, even Turbo was explained in wreck it Ralph and he was a hidden villain like Bellweather in Zootopia (she too had her actions explained), so why would they keep that out for Hans, who was a hidden villain?
And don’t give me the bullshit of “Hans is just an evil guy”, no he’s not. Bellweather was oppressed cause she’s a sheep and said to not be able to do anything. Turbo was taken down from his pedestal of stardom so suddenly, after being the best for so long. Jen Lee had to tell everyone why Hans did what he did cause they left it out of the first film.
Connection between wanting him redeemed? Maybe so it can be explained in a sequel. I’m starting to see it that way.
(Where was I going with this.. I had a point)
Basically, Hans being in the next film, seems like it was planned to begin with.
HE WAS IN THE FROZEN FEVER SHORT, PEOPLE! HE DIDNT NEED TO BE, AND HAD NO REASON TO BE, BUT THEY STILL ADDED HIM?? WHY?
I’ll tell you why.
Hans is connected to all the characters wether you like it or not. And if anything, he seems like he’s part of their group, more so then Gaston was to Belle, more so to King Candy to Vanellope. And you can see that too, don’t tell me you can’t.
Even the Duke of Wesleton doesn’t fit with the group.
To me, anything that was a spin-off for Frozen, *cough* Lego short film *cough*
Just didn’t seem right.. and that’s because Hans wasn’t there. Even showing him somehow, would make everything feel better.
Some people didn’t like Frozen Fever, but in a way, it was still slightly better, because they had shown Hans, because Hans is still a connection to them. And him being officially added to the gang, just… Evens things out.
I don’t know how to explain it better, but if anyone understands what I’m saying, that, Hans just has to be there. He has to be in the sequel, otherwise it won’t make sense. It won’t feel right. Then please elaborate better.
Even if he fills a silly typical revenge role, (that doesn’t fit his character) that’s more fitting then him not being in it at all.
Disagree if you want, but I’m serious. And I’m sure you’d understand too if he isn’t in Frozen 2. I can predict now that if he’s not in Frozen 2, the movie will just feel off. Somehow.