gwens-death

Woke up from zombie apocalypse dream again. I have those a lot. the twist was that four people in cool neo-tech hoodies were each genetically modding special abilities on to a fourth of the zombie population (who were not under their control, these people were just spreading the chaos around.) and obviously the double twist there was that their outfits were color-correlated to the four horsemen of the apocalypse

ANOTHER twist was that their names were based on the arthurian legend of old…. but vaguely modernized. There was Morgan (black hoodie/famine), Lance (white hoodie/pestilence), Gwen (ashen/death) and Arc for some reason (red/war). Oh one last twist….. they were all ladies.

sometimes i can’t remember my dreams and then sometimes my subconsciousness is just like here have the weirdest lesbian love triangle dream that you will remember oh so vividly

lorelaisrorys  asked:

hey broegan :) can you tell me about mj? i feel like i don't know much about her! what's she like? why is she your favourite?

oh gosh i don’t even know where to begin.

mary jane watson is such a lovely character. she’s intricate and complex and great. she started off as this party girl and you just think she’s shallow and doesn’t really care about anything but herself.

then it turns out she actually has an extremely abusive home life/father, so she puts on this party girl facade to hide from that. she doesn’t want to let anybody in, she just wants to have fun to forget about it. (after the death of gwen stacy, it changed her and peter a lot, and they both grew up).

she wants to be a star in any possible way. she has huge hopes n dreams and is determined and confident.

she is a huge feminist (which is pretty big back in the 60s).

she is honestly the most supportive girlfriend in the entire world.

and she is incredibly bad ass and has saved peter’s ass countless times and isn’t the damsel everyone for some reason thinks she is?

and this video perfectly sums up not only her being the best love interest for peter parker, but for them being the best love story in comics, period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xtzfzDkWzs

it’s a really beautiful video so i recommend watching it for sure.

none of this even scrapes the surface about mary jane watson. she is so much more than this, too. she’s a fantastic character, and i recommend people replying to this why they love mj so much!

Crazy idea:

For Spiderman 2, the main villain is the Green Goblin. At the same time, the MCU introduces Gwen Stacy in order to kickstart a love triangle between Peter, Michelle/MJ, and Gwen. I know, I know, please hold your groans since that isn’t the crazy idea.

For most of the movie, Peter, Ned, MJ, Aunt May, Gwen, and a redeemed Flash (Team Spiderman) are trying to find out the identity of the Green Goblin. The climactic plot twist is that Norman Osborn (the main suspect for the Green Goblin) is revealed to be a red herring. Norman isn’t the Goblin. That’s when Ned and MJ find out that it’s Gwen!

Turns out, MCU Gwen Stacy’s full name is revealed to be “Gwen Harriet Stacy-Osborn”. She’s an amalgamation of Gwen Stacy and Harry Osborn. For reasons I won’t get into, Gwen is the illegitimate daughter of Norman and wants vengeance on her father. In order to do this, she uses OsCorp technology to ruin his name.

The final battle is a subversion of the infamous Gwen Stacy death scene. She is knocked off her glider by Peter and falls to her death. Peter tries catching her with his web but she gets whiplash from the sudden stop.

The mid-credits scene is Norman forming the Sinister Six in order to avenge his daughter’s death. Vulture is the first recruit.

The post-credits scene is OsCorp recovering Gwen’s body, hinting at her resurrection.

ultimateotp  asked:

Comic movies & tv shows are still dealing with the comic book fallout of 80s & early 90s. Buffy ignored all this & why to so many late 90s early 00s Joss "seemed to no wrong". Look up Women in Refrigerators then Gail Simone (one of the terms creators) if you can read some of her Wonder Woman & Birds of Prey comics. She helped revolutionize females in DC comics.

Hi. 

I hope you are doing well.

I appreciate the comic perspective. I don’t know very much about comics, but find them very interesting. I’m still trying to get into them, and haven’t heard of that term before…

Originally posted by theavatar

“Women in Refrigerators: is a website that features a list of female comic book characters who have been injured, killed, or depowered as a plot device within various superhero comic books, and seeks to analyze why these plot devices are used disproportionately on female characters.” (From Wikipedia) 

I googled the term and was a bit shocked to learn so many females have been used purely as a plot device. I guess your could say Gwen Stacy’s death was a plot device too (not to mix Marvel with DC, but I never liked her death). 

I still respect BTVS for the most part. I’m not sure what happened with Joss. Perhaps, he was just reacting to the events that occurred with the comics and had enough foresight to not make similar mistakes with his show. Buffy is still revered as an icon and I’m grateful for her. 

This information provides a new perspective for me as to why Joss did well with Buffy, but would have ruined Diana. I think it was the timing. He dodged the comic book upheaval at the time with Buffy, but based of his WW script, he still adheres to the Women in Refrigerator trope along with other horrible tendencies. 

His Wonder Woman script was jarring compared to the character we saw in Jenkins’ film that has already become very beloved. I believe that Joss’ script seemed to contain the Women in Refrigerator syndrome, since Steve basically became the main character.

Joss’ script also contained:

–Abusive language (also rather excessive use of the word ‘whore’).

–Blatant sexualization of literally everything Diana did. (Her fighting style, her dance she performs, her mentioning her bisexuality so Steve could make a comment that equates to “that’s hot”, her changing into new clothes becomes a drawn out scene so Steve can tell her to turn around while undressed, etc.) 

–Steve was sexist, condescending, and didn’t respect Diana as a warrior or person. He only seemed interested in one thing.  

–His Diana was a mockery of Patty Jenkins’ Diana…From Joss’ script, we don’t even glean much about her as a character, which seems to imply she lacks depth. 

–From what I’ve read, most of the lines were delivered by Steve, while Diana received numerous physical directives (i.e. [the dance is sensual] or [she bites her lip because she finds him charming] etc.) Joss seemed to think her speaking wasn’t as important as her looking ‘sensual’. 

Diana Prince (and us) literally dodged a bullet by not having Joss Whedon direct   Wonder Woman. 

Originally posted by michaelam1978

cbr.com
7 Reasons Tom Holland’s Spider-Man MUST DIE (And 8 Reasons He Won’t)
Spider-Man is one of the most successful, interesting and awesome characters on-screen today. And that is exactly why he should die.

I’m struggling to remember an article by CBR which has been worse than this one. 

Let’s go through this point by point.

Keep reading

Where to start reading Peter Parker?

Let’s start with Amazing Fantasy #15 which is his first appearance and origin.

  • The Amazing Spider-Man #3, 14, 18-19, 26-27, 31-33, 39-40, 41-43, 50-52, 53-56, 88-90, 100-102
  • The Death of Gwen Stacy
  • Amazing Spider-Man #224-230
  • Amazing Spider-Man #248
  • Spider-Man The Original Clone Saga arc
  • Original Hobgoblin Saga (Amazing Spider-Man #238-239, 244-245, 249-251 and Spectacular Spider-Man #85)
  • The Harry Osborn Saga (Spectacular Spider-Man #178-184, 189-190, 199-200)
  • The Second Hobgoblin Saga (Amazing Spider-Man #249-251, 259-261, 275-277, 279)
  • Amazing Spider-Man #252-259
  • Spider-Man: Sinister Six
  • Spider-Man: Torment
  • Spider-Man: The Death of Jean DeWolf
  • Amazing Spider-Man #290-292, Annual 21
  • Kraven’s Last Hunt
  • Amazing Spider-Man #299-300
  • Spider-Man: Maximum Carnage
  • Spider-Man: Spider Hunt
  • Spider-Man: Revenge of the Goblin
  • Amazing Spider-Man vol.2 #30-35, 38
  • Spider-Man’s Tangled Web #5-6
  • Return of the Goblin story arc
  • Spider-man: Blue
  • Spider-Man & Wolverine
  • Spider-Man/Human Torch: I’m with stupid
  • Avengers Disassembled
  • Spider-Man/Doctor Octopus #1-5
  • Spider-Man / Black Cat: The Evil That Men Do
  • Peter Parker: Spider-Man #44-47 (a death in the family arc)
  • Amazing Spider-Man vol.2 #38
  • New Avengers #1-6
  • Spider-Man The Other
  • Civil War
  • Spider-Man: Reign
  • Spider-Man: Back in Black
  • One More Day arc
  • Amazing Spider-Man: New Ways to die
  • Spider-man Died in your arms tonight (Amazing Dark Reign The List: Spider-Man #1
  • Spider-Man #600-601, Annual 36, Amazing Spider-Man Family #7) 
  • The Gauntlet arc
  • Astonishing Spider-Man & Wolverine
  • Grim-Hunt arc
  • The Amazing Spider-man #648-657
  • Fantastic Four #588
  • FF vol.1
  • The Amazing Spider-Man #658-665
  • Fear Itself arc
  • Spider-island arc
  • Spider-Men
  • The Amazing Spider-Man: Dying Wish #698-700
  • Superior Spider-Man
  • Amazing Spider-Man (2014)
  • Spider-Man Family Business

If you think I’m missing something let me know :)

You Shouldn’t Have

Request: Angsty spider man where reader follows him without him knowing when he goes to fight someone and she accidentally gets caught in the middle of the fight

Requested by: anonymous.

A/N: So I hope you don’t mind that since you didn’t specify exactly which version of Spider-Man you wanted, i used Andrew Garfield’s since i’ve been dying to write an imagine for him :) kind of follow’s Gwen’s death scene but the reader doesn’t die, and it’s a bit different. 

Pairing: Peter x Reader

Warnings: just angst


Originally posted by brenn-burke

“Peter…?” You hesitated, speaking lowly enough that only Peter, or you guessed Spider-Man, could hear. You knew it had been dumb of you to follow him, you knew it had been even dumber when you saw him change into his Spider-Man costume and run right were the destruction of the city was happening. You’d only followed him originally because as his girl-friend, or ex-girl-friend you knew he’d been hiding something from you.

The two of you had gotten along so well, and you absolutely loved dating him. You were positive you’d fallen in love with him. And you were sure he felt the same, but then he’d suddenly broke it off with you, leaving you with absolutely no explanation other than “he just couldn’t do this now.” You knew in that moment that something was up with Peter and finally managing to catch sight of him without him catching sight of you, because he’d always run off, you’d followed him.

What you didn’t expect was to be lead into where all the electricity for the city came from and to see Peter battling the same electrified man you’d see that night in times square, which had been the exact night of you actually being able to speak with Peter. He broke it off with you the next day and you barely saw him anymore. 

Your suspicions had been true though, there was more than met the eye with Peter. You just didn’t expect to find out he was the in-famed Spider-Man. Then when it seemed he’d finally been able to beat ‘Electro’ you’d step out. Hesitant, because now knowing his reason for breaking up with you (you were positive it was to keep you safe) he’d been none to pleased that you’d followed him. But you hadn’t expected to hear a maniacal laugh hover around you and feel your hair be shot back from wind.

Spider-Man snapped his head towards you and you could almost picture the look of fear behind his mask. “Y/N, what are you doing here?” He shouted, coming over to you. Peter kept looking back at the whirring figure above you both, watching for sudden movements. He grabbed ahold of your arms, shaking his head; “you can’t be here. I’m serious. You need to leave.” He tried to push you away but you fought him.

“Peter, what’s going on?” You asked, looking up at the whirring figure. “What is this? You’re Spider-Man, that’s why you broke it off with me?” You rambled on, desperate for the answers to the questions you never got. Peter sighed form within the mask, shaking his head desperately as he looked back, only to find the figure flying down closer to you and him. “This really isn’t the time, Y/N. You need to go, now.”

Peter urged and you watched with wide, frantic eyes as the figure landed on the ground and you could now see his face. “Peter…” You whispered his name, catching on that he’d like to keep his identity a secret. Peter had now turned around to the figure, facing him as he grew silent. You felt him grab ahold of your hand, pushing you behind him quickly and he fell into a careful stance, watching everything the enemy before you did.

“Peter?” The crazed man laughed, shaking his head, and you cursed knowing he’d heard you. You watched his tongue dart out to lick his own teeth and shivered slightly. This man was clearly dangerous and considering this was your first time ever being face to face to someone like this, you were a little more than frightened. “When you said Spider-Man said no, you meant you said no.”

“Harry, what did you do?” Peter whispered in shock. There was clearly more here, more than you understood. You felt Peter press a hand against your stomach as ‘Harry’ moved forward on his… thing. You stepped back, listening to his orders, trying to slowly disappear. 

“You were my friend, and you betrayed me!” Harry screamed and you flinched from the sheer volume of it. You watched warily as Harry’s crazed eyes fell on you, and the hand Peter held out towards you. Even though you’d been able to sneak back a little bit, you had an unsettling feeling in your stomach, a feeling that told you something was going to go wrong. Harry smirked when he looked up into your eyes, catching the fear in them.

“No…” Peter whispered, covering you. “I was trying to protect you.”

“Look at me.” Harry laughed. 

“Hey, it’s gonna be okay. This is gonna be alright.” Peter tried to reassure, shaking his head at Harry. You swallowed a lump in your throat, staring up at Harry with terror.

“You don’t give people hope, you take it away.” Harry spat, laughing crazily. Peter tried to deny the fact and you felt as if now was the time to hurry up, with wide eyes you watched Harry let his eyes fall on you. “I’m gonna take away yours.”

“No!” Peter yelled, pushing at you in a rush. “Y/N, run!” Almost immediately you turned, picking up the speed in your feet as fast as you could. You heard a clash and a groan as you ran, and turning your head you saw Peter fall to the ground, holding his own head in pain. You gasped, worried for him but before you could even do anything you were swept up into the air, arms wrapped under your knees and back. Gasping, you turned your head to see Harry smiling maniacally at you.

Soon you were flying all over the place and despite the man before you disgusting you, you held on tightly to him no wanting to fall. You were able to look back and see Peter following after you both, shooting his webs every desperately in an attempt to catch up you. You could feel your heart beating against your chest and your breath frantic as your life was literally in the man’s hands. Eventually he slowed down, stopping just above the clock tower, Peter was far behind as he landed on the top of the tower, staring up at you through his mask.

“This isn’t you, Harry. This is not you.” Peter pleaded, “put her down.”

Hesitantly and unsure, you turned to Harry, your eyes wetting with unshed tears. “Harry.” You whimpered, trying to get him to understand. His gaze snapped to your own, falling so close to your face as he screamed; “Harry is dead!”

“Harry, this is between you and me. You wanna fight? Fight me. Let her go.” With pale and clammy skin, you watched Harry’s face fall and him look over at you, nodding. “Okay.” He whispered, so only you could hear. Then suddenly the arms that held you were gone and you were free falling. A shrill scream left your lips as you fell, waiting for you to smack against the glass of the top of the tower.

Then arms were around you and you were spinning in Peter’s arms, before he landed on a bridge in the tower, you above him. You panted, your eyes wide as you tried to regain your breathing. You felt Peter’s gloved hands caress the back of your head; trying to calm you. “You okay?” He asked and you shook your head. “No.” You whimpered, “no.” A thunk sounded beside you and you turned to see some kind of bomb, then it exploded and you were falling again.

Peter caught ahold of your wrist, “it’s okay. It’s okay. I’m not letting you go.” He reassured you, “i’m just gonna put you right here.” You fell a little bit, landing on one oft he gears for the clock, with you looked back up Harry had come down and Peter was fighting him. You took a deep breaths, looking around yourself. You weren’t safe here, not for the long run, you needed to get on the walkway before you. So taking a deep breath, you pushed up so you were off your knees, and tried to balance on top of the unstable and turning gears.

You missed what was happening above, to busy on trying to focus on where you put your feet next. Then you felt a shadow fall over you and zooming noise echo, looking up you saw part of Harry’s suit falling above you. You gasped, holding your head as the piece crashed behind you, breaking the gears. Once again you began falling, staring down at the long way down to the ground. You let out a tiny scream, then suddenly you jerked to a stop, Peter’s webbing attached to your wrist. You allowed your hand to wrap around it for more support as you looking up at Harry fall on top of Peter and began punching him.

You winced at the fight, worried for Peter but also worried for yourself. Your eyes landed on the webbing that connected you to Peter and how close it was to be sliced between two gears. You let out another scream when you fell a bit lower, looking up at Peter with wet eyes. Peter finally gained some leverage, webbing Harry’s hand to one of the gears and wrapping his webbing around his neck. You watched with frightened eyes as Peter raised his leg, placing it against one of the gears so the web connecting you two wouldn’t be cut.

It was only at the last second that he managed to catch it and you watched as the whole gears starting cracking and fighting his foot. “Peter?” You called out just before one of the gears broke and then the webbing broke. You gasped, letting Peter’s name fall from your lips one more time as you began falling again. 

Peter jumped off the ledge, raising after you. He shot out his web, trying to catch you and you finally let your tears fall, staring up at his mask but only wanting to see Peter’s face. You fell for what seemed like forever before Peter’s webbing caught you on the stomach and you stomach. You felt your feet tap the ground, as you hung there. You took heavy breaths, not sure what had just happened as it had happened so quickly. Then Peter was by your side, grabbing a hold on you so weren’t hanging anymore and calling out your name. His voice sounded muffled and it rang in your ears, but you definitely heard him.

When you didn’t respond he ripped off his mask and suddenly everything sounded clear again. “Y/N? YN? Answer me, please.”

“Peter?”

anonymous asked:

What do you dislike about league of extraordinary gentlemen?

Short answer: What I dislike about the comic is the same thing comic fans disliked about the movie- it turned my favorite characters into caricatures.

Long answer:

  • Make up your mind, Alan Moore- is the League okay with rape or not?  It’s horrifying when Hyde or Bond do it, but they first come across the Invisible Man in the process of raping children and basically laugh it off.
  • Bull-freaking-shit would Jonathan dump Mina over having ugly scars.  If you really needed to get him out of the way to hook Mina up with your preferred guy, why not just kill him off and have Mina angst over his death Gwen Stacy-style?
  • If Jonathan did ever dump Mina for her scars, Van Helsing would be waiting outside the house with a baseball bat (for Jonathan’s kneecaps) and a bouquet of flowers (in case Mina wanted to trade up.)
  • Why did Mina fall in love with Alan Quartermain?  I’m not opposed to younger woman/older man pairings, but…why?  Some amount of looks can be traded for some amount of personality or vice versa, but Quartermain as written by Moore had neither.
  • Why did Moore’s idea of “strong female character” mean “take a woman who was canonically kind and make her a straw feminist ice queen”?
  • If Jekyll became Hyde because he was ashamed of being gay, then why the everloving hell was Hyde into women?
  • People Alan Moore cannot do pastiches of: Shakespeare, P.G. Woodehouse, Jack Kerouac.
  • Pirate Jenny canonically (insofar as a throwaway song is canon) became murderous over doing humiliating menial work.  This was not enough for Alan Moore- she had to be raped, because that’s the only possible reason a woman would become a supervillain.
  • Since he’d already made her Indian, if he wanted her to have additional motivation to be mad, couldn’t it have been about racism?
  • I don’t like what he did with James Bond, but defending James Bond really isn’t the hill I want to die on.  Suffice it to say that it felt mean-spirited.
  • Speaking of mean-spirited, what does Alan Moore have against Harry Potter and Peter Rabbit?
  • If you’re going to write a series of comics that amount to “look how much better I am than these other sexist, racist authors!” then your comic should be 1) actually better, and 2) not sexist or racist.
  • Neil Gaiman goes on about how the movie adaptation was the first time everyone agreed the movie sucked and the comic was great, and it annoys me because I *don’t* agree that the comic was great.
  • In fact, that’s a big part of why it all pisses me off- I feel like I’m supposed to love this comic.  I spent years trying to love this comic.  I do not love this comic.

Now, do I think you can do this kind of critique well?  Yes, and I’ll point to a series I love, Jane Carver of Waar.  An expy of John Carter of Mars shows up in the second book as the villain, and poorly handled it could have felt like a snide “fuck you to all my predecessors in this genre.”  As written, though, it was “isn’t it fucked up that John Carter of Mars owned slaves and fought for the Confederacy?”  This works because it is a valid point.  It is fucked up that John Carter of Mars owned slaves and fought for the Confederacy.

League, on the other hand, is like going “It’s it fucked up that John Carter of Mars ate children?”  It’s not a valid point, and it just makes me go “But…he didn’t?”

Can I get two things straight please.

Recently I heard a certain..boisterous shall we say Spider-Man fan make two statements that boiled down to

a)      Ben Reilly was a carbon copy of Peter as evidenced by his sacrificing his life for him in Revelations

and

b)      Doc Ock is probably Spider-Man’s greatest nemesis because he killed Peter in Superior.

Here’s why one statement is illogical as a criticism and the other is straight up bullshit.

So starting off with the first one, Ben was not merely a carbon copy of Peter. But yes in sacrificing his life for Peter in Revelations he  did something Peter would’ve done.

And that was the fucking point.

Ben Reilly, whilst believing himself to be the real Peter Parker and Peter a clone of him, a clone who’d lived 5 years of what should have been Ben’s life, willingly gave up his life to save Peter.

He made a heroic sacrifice, the kind of which Peter has been willing to make countless times.

Only he wasn’t the real Peter Parker, he was a clone.

The point being that the nature of his birth was irrelevant. He was as much of a person and as much of a hero as Peter was, making the fundamental point of the Clone Saga that how you live your life is more important than where you come from.

As for the Superior thing, I’ve said this multiple times before (although this particular Spider-Man fan refuses to listen) but Otto neither killed Peter nor is he his greatest foe.

Call me crazy but surely Spider-Man’s greatest villain should be the most VILLAINOUS person to him personally, since the series is you know…about his life.

I get how you might argue that taking over his body would be the worst thing to ever happen to someone so that villain should take the crown.

But as should be bloody obvious to anyone who’s read enough Spider-Man, peter cares much more about others than he does himself. The suffering of innocent people, let alone his friends and family is all much more important to him than any pain and suffering visited upon himself.

So we have Doc Ock taking over his body vs say, Norman Osborn killing Gwen Stacy, faking Harry’s death, faking Aunt May’s death, convincing him he’s a clone, rendering Flash Thompson brain damaged, maybe killing his kid, killing Ben Reilly, causing emotional pain for his wife and also literally torturing him for over a week with trippy drugs to turn him into his son…and sending him out to attack his friends whilst doing that. And then Peter has to live with that crap afterwards, in particular having to live with the pain of losing his loved ones.

 

Hmmmm, I wonder which MIGHT be worse from Peter’s point of view????????????

 

Yeah…Otto doesn’t even come close to the top spot, even if he did kill peter.

Which by the way, he didn’t.

Despite reading and commenting upon stories which make this point explicitly clear, this particular Spider-Man fan continues to act as though Doc ock killed Spider-Man in ASM #700 when that never happened. The Peter who died in otto’s body was a copy of Peter’s mind, not the real deal. The real deal remained in his own body, hence Ghost peter and so forth.

“Superior Spider-Man is, bar none, the coolest Spider-Man story that doesn’t involve Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. It tells the tale of Spider-Man, dying, in the body of Doc Ock, who had stolen Peter’s body. When the story begins, no one knows that Doc Ock has taken over Spidey’s body. It takes — admittedly — not super long for the reader to find out, but that singular shock is so, so profound.

Plus, Doc Ock stays in Peter Parker’s body for, um, a very long time. And as he lives, he changed Parker’s life forever — getting a doctorate, creating a company, and helping save the Universe. One of the reasons that Superior Spider-Man is one of the best face-heel turn characters is because eventually his hero side still wins out. He’s still a hero, even when he’s Doc Ock.”

— 

http://www.cbr.com/15-hero-turns-way-more-controversial-than-nazi-cap/


1) Otto wasn’t a hero. He was a genocidal maniac who invaded people’s privacy, brutalized and blackmailed people, bodily violated Peter Parker, murdered people, raped Anna Maria Marconi and tried to rape Mary Jane. Fuck whoever calls him a ‘hero’.

2) It’s leagues and bounds nowhere even close to the coolest Spidey story outside Lee and Ditko. The Death of Gwen Stacy, The Death of Jean DeWolff, Kraven’s Last Hunt, Spider-Man: the Lost Years, Spider-Man Redemption, the Hobgoblin Saga, the Harry Osborn Saga. Literally all of those are better than Superior Spider-Man

3) This is part of a list claiming that there are other examples of superheroes going bad which are more controversial than HYDRACap.

There aren’t.

The premise of the article is ridiculous from the outset.

Controversy is measured in the scale of the reaction to something and NOTHING has been more controversial than HYDRACap

cbr.com
Comic Legends: Which Creator Left Marvel Rather Than Write Married Spidey?
In the latest Comic Book Legends Revealed, discover which classic Spider-Man writer chose to leave Marvel Comics rather than write married Spider-Man!

Here is the thing the article conveniently ignores.

Roger Stern’s problem with the spider marriage was because Spider-Man married Mary Jane specifically.

Stern is on record as saying that he thinks Spider-Man could indeed have possibly gotten married or or could possibly be married but not to Mary Jane.

His reasons for this seem to be that they were not right for each other and his rationale for that is that Mary Jane is a party girl and wild child.

In other words his perception of Mary Jane was stuck in the silver age and didn’t seem to take account of any of her character development beginning from the Death of Gwen Stacy onwards.

Which is perplexing because Stern himself laid seeds for Mary Jane’s later development in regards to her family history in his run.

Furthermore if Stern had such a hang up over something like this, something other writers like J.M. DeMatteis and Peter David didn’t have I don’t think it’s that big of a loss. Frankly I wouldn’t want a writer who’d be so hung up on Spider-Man simply being married as their reationale for not writing Spider-Man.

BTW, for whatever reasons, even though in some ways later installments were better, the first 2002 Spider-Man movie is and probably always will be, by all time favourite Spider-Man/superhero movie, as well as one of my favourite movies over all.

As a kid I waited with baited breath at the idea of getting to see Spider-Man ‘for real’ and was brokenhearted every time there was news of some kind of delay in it’s release.

In the UK reprint comic ‘Astonishing Spider-Man’ there was a semi-regular feature keeping readers up to date on the latest relevant news of the movie so I was kept fairly in the loop despite being so young and having not discovered either movie magazines, film news in newspapers or how to google stuff.

It was a magical time for me because I’d only started regularly reading Spider-Man comics (again through Astonishing, which reprinted around 3 issues worth of content every month, albeit from several years earlier) about a year or two before the film’s release.

The stuff being covered in the stuff I was reading whether by design or happy coincidence was set in the era where Norman Osborn was owner of the Daily Bugle so he was a very prominent character at the time. Part and parcel to that they also reprinted ASM #14, the debut of the Green Goblin. Not too long before the release of the movie the UK equivalent of Marvel also began reprinting Ultimate Spider-Man.

Whilst I look back and have serious problems with it, at the time Ultimate Spider-Man for me was a great hype machine from the movie as the earliest arcs in some superficial ways did resemble the state of affairs in the movie. And it was of course no coincidence that they reprinted Spider-Man’s first battle with Ultimate Goblin the same month as the movie’s release. In fact I vividly remember reading Spidey and Gobby duke it out in USM the very next day after I saw the movie.

Norman was already my favourite villain but I was Goblining out by the time the film hit.

I also had the ‘super pose-able’ Spider-Man and Green Goblin action figures and played with them relentlessly for months leading into the film. I had Norman impaled so many damn times it was ridiculous!

Whilst I see flaws in it as a film and as an adaptation now, at the time the movie was just magical to me. 

Remember this was 2002. Batman and Superman and a few other superhero movies were out but most of them didn’t get too outrageous with their special effects. Superman could fly on screen sure and even fight whilst in flight but mostly that involved giving us the illusion of him in mid-air whilst performing actions he’d otherwise do on the ground.

The idea that a live action film could honestly take the fast paced, bouncing, flipping swinging Spider-Man and do it right was still a spectacle.

At least to me since I was too young to have seen the Matrix, X-Men or other films where that had been shown to be possible.

What got me, and still gets me, was how for all the stuff changed or misinterpreted from the original comics the 2002 film in many other respects is even to this day shockingly reverential.

Has there after all ever been a truly better adaptation of Amazing Fantasy #15?

In fact there are relatively few truly original embellishments in the movie. Most of the stuff has roots from somewhere in Spider-Man’s history (admittedly sometimes not for the better). The upside down kiss though is one of the mostly original things the movie did and it of course became iconic.

But when first viewing the movie I was just having baby fangasms over being able to recognize Raimi clearly taking stuff from the comics. Whilst the 90s cartoon which introduced me to Spider-Man did that too I obviously hadn’t read any of those when I first saw it.

With the 2002 movie though I was geeking out being able to silently say:

“Look he’s doing that thing from Amazing Annual #9″

“Hey this is kind of like Amazing Spider-Man #39!”

“Wow, he just got stabbed by the glider like in the Death of Gwen Stacy!”

That was a big deal to me as a 11 year old.

All this plus it was pretty thrilling ‘sneaking’ into the movie theatre (with my Dad) when I was just 1 year too young to see the movie. I kept getting worried that any minute I’d be pulled out before I saw the film.

But I did see it and vividly remember walking out of the cinema (the first day it was released because I was that hardcore about it), turning to my Dad and saying I could now die happy.

Over all it’s one of my fondest childhood memories.

anonymous asked:

I remember reading an interview about the screenwriter of Gwen's death, and he says that what may have helped most of the popularity was how she died (and consequently impacted both inside and outside the comic). What do you think about this?

100% true. nobody really cared about gwen when she was alive, because mj stole the show and everyone was more interested in her. that’s the reason they killed gwen in the first place, because the only purpose she could serve going forward would be marriage, and they didn’t want that so they killed her (lol 60s so sexist).

then them killing her off was kind of the first time comics really showed that death was an option. it could happen. the superhero doesn’t always save the day. and that got a lot of attention.

but even after that she wasn’t hugely popular. it wasn’t until emma portrayed her until she was a huge thing.