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Thoughts on Patroclus

Friendly reminder that Patroclus should not be remember simply as “Achilles’ bitch”.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus was a little shit. He had the power, the looks and the skills, and he knew it. Not only he excelled at battle; he did it while taunting his enemies all the fucking time cause he was going to win and he knew it.

Friendly reminder that he was the one guy who got to call out on Achilles, something no one else dared to do. In fact, men went to ask him to call out on Achilles because everyone was scared of him. Except for Patroclus.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus had advanced medical knowledge, something extremly rare at the time. He healed many of his friends and comrades during battle. Hadn’t it been for him, many great warriors would have died.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus was loyal to a fault. He was always by Achilles’ side in battle. He never disobeyed Achilles orders. The one time he did, was the time he died.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus was kind and had a soft heart. He cried because while Achilles’ Rage lasted, he wouldn’t let any of his men enter battle, Patroclus included. And while Achilles’ troops were hiding in their ships, the rest of the Greek army got crushed. Patroclus felt so powerless and helpless because he couldn’t do nothing as he saw his comrades dying.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus had a character crisis. He had to decide whether obeying his Lord’s commands and abandoning his friends in battle, or going against his Lord’s wishes and engaging fight.

Friendly reminder that he refused to stay behind like a coward. He chose to enter battle, but since he was a honourable man he told Achilles about it. Friendly reminder that he managed to sway Achilles’ Rage. Friendly reminder that he managed to convince Achilles to let their troops rejoin the war, thus returning the victory to the Greeks.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus was flawed. He committed hubris. He got so battle drunk and was so excited by the prospect of finally ending the war, that he disobeyed Achilles’ direct command not to fight near the walls of Troy, and chased the Troyans back to the limits of the city. To the place Achilles had specifically told him not to go because it would be too dangerous. Friendly reminder that this one flaw is his downfall.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus doesn’t go down without giving one hell of a fight. Friendly reminder that Patroclus was so strong that Apollo (the God that protected Troy and Hector [Troy’s heir to the throne]) had to face him and repel him four times. Four times. A god. If that ain’t badass, then I don’t know what could be. In the fourth time, Apollo got inside Patroclus’ head and made him dizzy. Patroclus fell and Apollo removed him from his armour- Achilles’ armour. Patroclus ended up unprotected, vulnerable and dizzy in the middle of the battle field; so a random dude saw the opportunity and stabbed his back with a spear. But was that enough to make him go down? Oh heck no. The pain snapped him out of the dizziness. Patroclus realized he was in a very troublesome situation so he decided to fall back… but at that moment Hector engaged him in battle. And Patroclus wouldn’t retire from a direct combat, oh heck he wouldn’t. Even though he knew this was probably the way he would die, he fought with his all.

Friendly reminder that lacking his armor, tired from battle, with a spear wound on his back and only Achilles’ sword left as weapon, Patroclus faced Hector, Troy’s greatest warrior and didn’t fear.

Friendly reminder that when Hector sheathed his spear in Patroclos’ stomach, Patroclus thought about the love of his life.

Friendly reminder that with his last breath Patroclus smiled at Hector and told him “You are a dead man. This will be your downfall”. Friendly reminder that until his last moment, he was a little shit.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus is a flawed, well-rounded, badass character and that he deserves so much more than his current position as “Achilles’s love interest”.

I’m really not okay with the fact that the ship name for Achilles + Patroclus is Patrochilles. I mean, I get it, it sounds really good in English and all, but it messes the Greek roots up so much. Like, it means “father” + “people” with a superfluous chi in the middle. I wish Achicleos didn’t sound so silly in English, because it means “grievous glory,” and that’s just so sad and horrible and appropriate.

A Guide To Greek Gods and Heroes:
  • Apollo: trash
  • Jason: trash
  • Medea: dubiously evil queen of my heart
  • Agamemnon: dead trash
  • Clytemnestra: takes out the trash
  • Zeus: walk of shame incarnate
  • Hermes: little shit
  • Hestia: literally no one talks about her
  • Artemis: #misandry
  • Hera: woman, scorned
  • Hades: goth wannabe shit baby
  • Persephone: Per-Step-On-Me
  • Ares: God Of War ™
  • Aphrodite: Walk Walk Fashion Baby
  • Cronus: hide yo kids, hide yo wife
  • Athena: i feel like she plays baseball probably
  • Achilles: I Love My Dead Gay Son
  • Patroclus: “Geez Achilles find your chill.” 
  • Orpheus: Gay
  • Hephaestus: allll byyyy myyyyseeEEEeelf
  • Heracles: why does no one talk about him mucking out those stables?
  • Odysseus: total piece of shit
  • Chiron: tired of everyone’s shit
  • Hecate: my wife

    EDITED TO ADD THE FOLLOWING
  • Patroclus (alt.): Oh look at that. I’ve been impaled.
  • Poseidon: I think you mean Broseidon, bro to the fishes and ponies
  • Dionysus: ambiguously queer and perpetually sloshed
  • Oedipus: the loser of every ‘yo momma’ battle
  • Ajax: Stronger than Grease ™ <-soap reference in case it’s too obscure
  • Circe: basically that scene in Monty Python where all the evil ladies wanna bang
  • Tiresias: Bet he didn’t see that one coming.
  • Cassandra: got the short end of every stick
  • Antigone: that play from high school english that everyone sparknoted
  • Cerberus: whozagoodboyden
  • Hyacinth: what kind of asshole gets killed by a discus?
  • Hippolytus: a fedora sporting MRA
  • Romulus: moon
  • Remus: moon
  • Narcissus: Treat Yo Self
FML

We’re reading the Odyssey in my world lit class. I wrote a bit in the discussion board on the nature of the interactions between Athena and Odysseus (she’s championing his cause, amused with him/’this is my human and he will be my human’, as patron goddess of warcraft and strategy, he’s kind of uniquely hers, etc.). This post was well informed, based firmly in the text, in Greek mythology as a whole, and in the tropes of the epic genre.



Not one, but two people commented back, fucking told me I was wrong, and tried to strong-arm the text into proving their pet points……….that Athena’s real motivation, from page one, is to try and get in Odysseus’s pants, and that Odysseus is friendzoning her.

Can I say that again? They literally argued with me and tried to prove that Athena (Athena! - you know, vow-of-virginity, spurns the attentions of any man who comes near her, Athena) wants to fuck Odysseus and that’s the central plot of the epic.

Can I crawl under a rock and stay there forever?

Originally posted by happywayfinder

12.02.17


Hey everyone! Hope you all had a good day.

Today I have been finishing my Classics notes for the Classics Midterm this Friday. I feel like I am preparing well for this Midterm and I hope I do well. :)

On the other hand, I have a piano test on Friday…I have no idea how that is going to go. I am not very good at piano and probably should have started practicing earlier.  

There is going to be no school tomorrow as there is a severe snowstorm warning going around. 35 cm of snow!!!


Things the greek mythology side of tumblr has lied to you about:

• Hestia was one of the most major greek deities. The reason that there aren’t many temples about her is because she was a house goddess and was worshiped in small altars in every house.

• There is not original myth were Persephone wasn’t raped. The myth’s actual name is “The Rape of Persephone”. Hades kidnapped and raped her but then it was all ok because Zeus (her father) gave his premition eventually.

• Zeus also raped Persephone btw with whom she had children with. She and Hades on the other hand had no children.

• Persephone was only referred to as Kore because Kore means maiden in ancient Greek (and daughter in modern greek). Many goddesses and mortals are referred with that name.

• Icarus didn’t fell in love with the sun. His myth has to do with the human ambition to reach the devine. This applies for various other myths as well.

• Using modern sexualities for Greek gods makes no real sense tbh.

• Ancient Greece was a really sexist society and a good 90% of the myths reflect that. Keeping the myths that way is important to understand that society.

• The Trojans were considered an early Greek tribe too. Also the Romans believed them to be among their ancestors that moved to Italy after the fall of Troy.

• There were not black ancient Greek gods. Ancient greeks were white and were also p racist to everyone who wasn’t Greek (yes other white Europeans as well) actually.

• (This is not to say that racebenting them in edits is a bad thing bc representation is important but you also need to acknowledge the historical context).

• And finally, ancient greece is an important part of the Greek history and culture and should not be made a joke of because there are some popular books about greek wannabe demigods out there.

anonymous asked:

If I could have a million fics of Persephone domming Hades, I would be happy. I wish more people wrote that dynamic…

UH HUH THIS MY SHIT

No but seriously, Hades is the lamest most awkward shit baby in the pantheon. He doesn’t know how to relate to people, all his friends are dead. The rest of the Dodecatheon are just up on Olympus partying it up and he’s down in the underworld, with his dog, listening to dead heroes complain about not getting enough glory and being vaguely annoyed at everything. He doesn’t do anything, besides like probably macrame or some shit. Like literally, the only real story about Hades is him and Persephone.

And also, can we please just destroy the narrative of the ‘rape of Persephone.’ I don’t care what Ovid wrote, I don’t care how it helps the Metamorphoses maintain its themes of the violence of the gods, Persephone is the baddest bitch there is. She is the goddess you call upon to curse people. She is both the incarnation of life itself and the mistress of death. When you really want to fuck up your neighbor’s life, you call on Persephone, cause ain’t nobody scarier, and you do it by sacrificing the way you do to only the darkest cthonic deities. Medea and Persephone were totally bros imo (also if you want to watch me cry like a baby, ask me about Medea sometime). 

No way in hell did total badass Persephone get captured against her will. Hell no. She saw this awkward wannabe goth dark-lord-of-the-night shit baby and decided to have her merry way with him. She marched her fine self down to Erebus of her own volition with Hades just being super giddy and trying to play it cool. Hades then spent the majority of their early marriage both afraid for his life and super turned on. 

So there. 

Hermes Trismegistus (Greek for “Hermes the thrice-greatest” or Mercurius ter Maximus in Latin, is the syncretism of the Greek god Hermes and the Egyptian Thoth. In Hellenistic Egypt, the god Hermes was given as epithet the Greek name of Thoth. He has also been identified with Enoch. Other similar syncretized gods include Serapis and Hermanubis.

Hermes Trismegistus might also be explained in Euhemerist fashion as a man who was the son of the god, and in the Kabbalistic tradition that was inherited by the Renaissance, it could be imagined that such a personage had been contemporary with Moses, communicating to a line of adepts a parallel wisdom. A historian, however, would leave such speculation to the history of alchemy and the nineteenth-century history of occultism.

Both Thoth and Hermes were gods of writing and of magic in their respective cultures. Thus the Greek god of interpretive communication was combined with the Egyptian god of wisdom as a patron of astrology and alchemy. In addition, both gods were psychopomps, guiding souls to the afterlife.

The majority of Greeks, and later Romans, did not accept Hermes Trismegistus in the place of Hermes. The two gods remained distinct from one another.

The Hermetic literature added to the Egyptian concerns with conjuring spirits and animating statues that inform the oldest texts, Hellenistic writings of Greco-Babylonian astrology and the newly developed practice of alchemy. In a parallel tradition, Hermetic philosophy rationalized and systematized religious cult practices and offered the adept a method of personal ascension from the constraints of physical being, which has led to confusion of Hermeticism with Gnosticism, which was developing contemporaneously Dan Merkur, “Stages of Ascension in Hermetic Rebirth”.

As a divine fountain of writing, Hermes Trismegistus was credited with tens of thousands of writings of high standing, reputed to be of immense antiquity. Plato’s Timaeus and Critias state that in the temple of Neith at Sais, there were secret halls containing historical records which had been kept for 9,000 years. Clement of Alexandria was under the impression that the Egyptians had forty-two sacred writings by Hermes, encapsulating all the training of Egyptian priests. Siegfried Morenz has suggested (Egyptian Religion) “The reference to Thoth’s authorship…is based on ancient tradition; the figure forty-two probably stems from the number of Egyptian nomes, and thus conveys the notion of completeness.” The Neo-Platonic writers took up Clement’s “forty-two essential texts”.

The so-called “Hermetic literature”, the Hermetica, is a category of papyri containing spells and induction procedures. In the dialogue called the Asclepius (after the Greek god of healing) the art of imprisoning the souls of demons or of angels in statues with the help of herbs, gems and odors, is described, such that the statue could speak and prophesy. In other papyri, there are other recipes for constructing such images and animating them, such as when images are to be fashioned hollow so as to enclose a magic name inscribed on gold leaf.

During the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, the writings attributed to Hermes Trismegistus known as Hermetica enjoyed great credit and were popular among alchemists. The “hermetic tradition” therefore refers to alchemy, magic, astrology and related subjects. The texts are usually distinguished in two categories the “philosophical” and “technical” hermetica. The former deals mainly with issues of philosophy, and the latter with magic, potions and alchemy. Among other things there are spells to magically protect objects, hence the origin of the term “Hermetically sealed”.

The classical scholar Isaac Casaubon in De Rebus sacris et ecclesiaticis exercitiones XVI (1614) showed, by the character of the Greek, the texts that were traditionally written at the dawn of time, to be more recent: most of the “philosophical” Corpus Hermeticum can be dated to around AD 300. However, flaws in this identification were uncovered by the 17th century scholar Ralph Cudworth, who argued that Casaubon’s allegation of forgery could only be applied to three of the seventeen treatises contained within the Corpus Hermeticum. Moreover, Cudworth noted Casaubon’s failure to acknowledge the codification of these treatises as a late formulation of a pre-existing (possibly oral) tradition. According to Cudworth, the text must be viewed as a terminus ad quem and not a quo.

Modern occultists continue to suggest that some of these texts may be of Pharaonic origin, and that “the forty two essential texts” that contained the core work of his religious beliefs and his life philosophy remain hidden away in a secret library.

Mr D looks really young and hot like he does in old Greek art, and the majority of campers trip over themselves every time he walks past or get distracted and end up getting hit in the face bc they were checking out Mr D instead of focusing on fighting

anonymous asked:

So I have this friend who insists on doing "pre-reading" before he starts Discworld, despite pretty much everyone's suggestions otherwise. He's already chewed through most of Conan the Barbarian and Fritz Leiber's Swords books, and plans to spend the rest of the year on Lovecraft and Pern. Anything else that's a really big source of Sir Terry's lampoons?

oh gosh this is a huge question. I honestly feel like just discovering all the references and homages in the series would take a lifetime, but off the top of my head some of the more major ones for specific books were: Phantom of the Opera (Maskerade is more or less a direct parody), the Book of War (for Interesting Times, in which the disc equivalent of it is referenced), Les Misérables (for Night Watch, if there is one I could insist on it’s this one), Macbeth (and tbh most of Shakespeare’s classic plays, for Wyrd Sisters), maybe some Anne Rice (for Carpe Jugulum)…

I’d also suggest that before every book pertaining to some specific aspect of our society, your friend just spends a fun evening on wikipedia reading up or refreshing his memory on stuff like Egyptian gods (for Pyramids) and Greek mythology, and the major Greek and Chinese philosophers (for Small Gods, Thief of Time and some others), the history of old hollywood - its major actors and first movies, rock music, classic fairytales, the invention of printing, the functionning of post, trains, etc.

@thebibliosphere, @fireflysummers would you guys happen to have more recommendations?