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anonymous asked:

Jon needing to be saved tim and time again Stannis, Crasters wife, Sansa and LF, Sandy, Benjen is too just overdone. Basically like a damsel in distress because it were a woman, people would have been saying exactly this. They always put him in these situations, same as Jon will die or won't die?

I don’t mind the moments when Jon needs other people to help him. I think that he does so much good for others that when people help him it’s just fine. And I couldn’t think of anyone less a damsel than my boy Jon Snow. 

So here we go, you didn’t ask for this but you’re going to get it. All of the times Jon Snow either shows he is a strong ass dude who can take care of himself and/or the times Jon does genuine good for others that earn him a little good karma and assistance.

This will strictly refer to the show!Jon since anon is bringing up some examples of Jon being “saved” that we don’t know will take place in book!universe (Sansa/LF, Benjen, etc).

Jon grows up in a household full of people he can never truly feel a sense of belonging with. He loves his father and siblings so muchbut Catelyn and (we are to assume based on her insistent apology in 6.04) Sansa make sure he is aware that he is one apart from them. So one would understand if maybe Jon turned out to be weak or bitter. But he’s not.

Originally posted by cerseilannister

He is driven from his home as a teenager, sent to live in one of the most inhospitable—and we later learn, dangerous—places in the world. Yes, he’s a bit of a shithead at first when he’s there but he quickly learns his place and makes friends with his brothers. The real reason I bring up his early time at the The Wall is because we get to see the strength of Jon’s character very quickly when he defies Alistair Thorne, putting his own status there in jeopardy, just to defend his friend, Sam. That takes its own sort of bravery.

Originally posted by rubyredwisp

At the end of the first season after Ned is killed Jon almost deserts The Wall so he can fight at Robb’s side. He knows the consequences of being a deserter. Our first scene with Jon shows him watching a beheading of a deserter. He knows that he will be on the run forever and will have to hide his identity, but he is perfectly willing to ruin his own life to try to help his brother.

In season 2 when he ranges north of The Wall with his brothers he is separated from them with Qhorin Halfhand and falls upon the group of wildlings. Jon is expected to execute Ygritte but he doesn’t, because he thinks for himself and sticks to his own ideals. He knows early on that it isn’t right to kill someone just because they were unlucky enough to be born north of The Wall. He defies his superiors again, again to help someone else.

Originally posted by aryajon

When he is taken prisoner by the wildlings he follows through with Qhorin’s plan to stage a fight, and as Qhorin orders, Jon kills him. This is a man Jon admires, his ally. This was likely incredibly difficult but he does it to keep them both from dying as wildling prisoners so that someone can get back to the Watch and deliver news of what they’ve discovered.

Then Jon manages to ingratiate himself to the wildlings and become one of them. And while to some extent it’s an act so he can get back to Castle Black alive, he also genuinely likes the wildlings and develops real relationships with them and a real appreciation for their spirit and way of life. Even so, he never forgets his duty and almost dies getting back to The Wall to report back to his Brothers.

He doesn’t lie about breaking his vows and sleeping with Ygritte. He could. There aren’t any wildlings at Castle Black to contradict is story. But he is open and honest with Thorne, Maester Aemon, and the others because Jon is an honest person and someone who always takes responsibility.

He takes some men with him back north of The Wall after his return to avenge the mutiny at Craster’s Keep. He is under no obligation to undertake such a task and the party of men to go with him is small. Doing this again signifies Jon’s principles and sense of justice. He does not leave the responsibility to someone else but takes it on himself at great personal risk, and he is successful.

When the wildlings assault Castle Black Jon fights people who were his friends, and he fights bravely. If it wasn’t for his warnings to his Brothers, his battle strategy, and his own fighting prowess, one could argue that Castle Black would have fallen to the wildlings’ greater numbers that day.

He then travels north of The Wall again to face Mance man-to-man and try to treat with him, knowing that to do so is likely suicide. I can’t stress this enough. In what way is this kind of courage indicative of a “damsel” character? 

When Stannis’s men apprehend the wildling forces and attempt to burn Mance at the stake, Jon Last of the Mohicans their sadistic asses and shoots Mance to end his suffering. Once again, what a badass. He has just witnessed firsthand what Stannis and Melisandre are capable of, and still put himself on the line to save his friend from a tortuous death. I mean???

Originally posted by killbilled

Also in season 5, Jon is elected Lord Commander. He has risen through the ranks from being a simple bastard, barely more than a child, to the leader of a force of men that protects the entire realm from the greatest threat it has ever known. He of course, like literally ANY human, had help along the way from others, but no one gave this to him. He earned it, and did the job well—though not well enough to please all of his Brothers (but more on that later).

While serving as Lord Commander Jon brought about the most radical reform in the history of the Night’s Watch. He travelled north of The Wall to Hardhome with Tormund to treat with the last of the wildling forces. This scene shows us the depth of Jon’s courage when he killed a White Walker in single combat and evacuated thousands of wildlings to safety so that the Night King didn’t have a total victory that day.

Originally posted by lifesucka

He actually brought wildlings through the gates and into safety despite intense protest from his Brothers. Once again, Jon put himself in harm’s way to help other people. And of course, as we know, this cost him his life. Literally. Thorne and the others murder Jon for what they consider treason to The Watch.

Originally posted by timelordinaustralia

When he is brought back, Jon is given literally no time to grapple with what has happened to him. He has died and seen that there is no afterlife. He is visibly extraordinarily shaken by this incident and wants nothing more than to leave The Wall and find peace somewhere else. But then Sansa arrives and we get another example of Jon putting his personal wellbeing second to assisting others.

Originally posted by winterfellskingdom

He even tells Sansa that he has spent his entire life fighting and is tired. But he agrees to help her take Winterfell back from the Boltons and in doing so takes part in an extremely dangerous battle where the odds are stacked soundly against them. This, as we know, starts off with Ramsay’s sick game in which he murders Rickon right before Jon’s eyes. This causes Jon to abandon the battle plan and the pincer maneuver as he rushes headlong into a column of armed cavalry.

Originally posted by thisis-a-mans-world

Is it ill advised? Yes. Is it an emotional decision on his part? Yes. But is it cowardly, inept, or something that makes him a “damsel” who needs saving? No. I believe strongly after having watched 6.09 several times now that even if Ramsay had not pulled his stunt with Rickon and Jon’s men had followed their original battle plan verbatim, they still would have lost to Ramsay’s superior numbers and clearly very well-trained army without the assistance of The Vale.

Originally posted by jonsnownoshow

So I guess you could make the argument here that the men of The Vale had to “rescue” Jon like a damsel in distress character. But I disagree. This is one of the big issues that I have with season 6 and with the relationship the writers created between Jon and Sansa. Sansa knew that she had LF on her side and the Vale’s army at her disposal, but she chose to hide this from Jon. So I feel this is a matter of viewer perspective. You say Jon needed to be rescued because he is a damsel. I say Jon would not have needed any help and thousands of men could have lived instead of died on that battlefield if only Sansa had been honest with him. I know that Sansa has been hardwired not to trust anyone after all that has happened to her throughout the series, but we even heard that she trusts Jon when Brienne asks her about it. In the now famous scene where Brienne hilariously calls Jon “brooding.”

And she had plenty of opportunity to put that trust in Jon and tell him about LF. The writing in this part of the season was very strange to me. We saw scenes, such as the one where Jon receives the letter from Ramsay, where Sansa was treated with respect and allowed to speak freely and say her piece among his men and advisors. When they went around the North asking the Stark bannermen for assistance, Sansa was by Jon’s side, treated as an equal, freely allowed to speak with these lords and try to win their favor. At no point do we see Sansa silenced by Jon or Davos or Tormund, etc. Yet on the eve of battle, their dialogue suggests that Sansa has been given no chance to warn Jon of Ramsay’s trickery or to tell Jon that she’s got an ace up her sleeve, that if they wait just one day, the numbers will be on their side and their chances of victory will be far better with LF’s army.

Originally posted by weasleysweaters

Instead they have a yelling match in the tent during which Sansa cryptically tells Jon not to do what Ramsay expects him to do, and leaves it at that. If she had told him that she has this other force coming their way, then things could have been different and no one would have needed saving in the first place. I don’t feel that the events of 6.09 are the result of Jon’s own failings or something that required him to be saved as if he is a helpless, damsel character. What I think actually happened in that instance was the writer’s doing a huge disservice to Sansa’s character–one of the smartest women and most adept survivors in the show–by making her withhold important information with no real good reason that we can see, resulting in a near-disaster that simply made better suspense and good TV for the viewer because it caused the battle to be more dire for our heroes.

And as far as Benjen is concerned, the wight hunt in general seems, from what we know, to be a very foolhardy endeavor but a necessary one nonetheless. It is just another instance of Jon walking into danger to do what MUST be done. It is conceivable for not only Dany but the rest of the southron lords to need proof in order to be invested in the Great War, and someone needs to get that proof. We have seen at Hardhome just how devastatingly powerful the WW army is, and Jon faces their horde with only a handful of men. That is incredibly brave and yes, I am glad that Benjen intervenes to help him in this crucial moment.

But overall, for every person who has ever come to Jon’s aid, he has helped more people. He is a physically and mentally strong character who still maintains his conscience and kindness in a cruel and twisted world. Jon Snow is by far my favorite character and I will continue to love him forever, and hope that people save and help him, as he saves and helps others. Because he is the glue holding all of our favorite characters together, and without him, we would be watching a very different, and frankly not as interesting show.

Originally posted by casaharington

I think what would be boring and unwatchable would be if Jon never needed help. If he was this impossibly perfect hero figure who not only always saves the day, but is always moral and good, always does the right thing, always looks fuckable, is a sex god who goes down on women unprompted, always treats his family right …  do you see what I’m saying? He has to mess up sometimes to be human We all need help sometimes, even Jon Snow. And I don’t think that makes him like a weak character as you suggest. I don’t think that at all. If anything I think it is more progressive in terms of gender tropes for Jon to need saving sometimes. So I don’t really know what prompted this ask, anon.

I really need a scene where someone calls Arya “princess” and she gets really annoyed because the wikis all have her and Sansa listed as Princess of the North/of Winterfell, and Sansa probs would be over-the-top excited by that realization but Arya’s reaction would be so interesting.

anonymous asked:

listen I watch again the promo and gifs where sansa is in the godwood and i really wonder if anyone stand behind her, I mean when she's ready to the heart tree we see no one at her proximity but then when she walks away and walk I think someone could then follow her. she turns her head surely when she hears footsteps coming closer to her. what do you think ? i've no idea who it is but now i'm worried about her. sorry of my english

You guys never have to apologise for your English!! You’re literally reading and writing in a second (or third? or fourth O.o??) language and that’s awesome. Like 100x better than I can manage.

And yeah, I think it’s Jon. A lot of us think it’s him. The figure looks bulkier than someone like LF. I think he might’ve just been hidden in the first couple of frames and stands up as Sansa leaves, which is when she turns her head. 

I really hope it is. I just want an emotionally charged Jonsa scene T_T