okay but i saw a post where someone said that “john green writes about vulnerable 15 year old girls who need to be saved by a man” and like…have you ever actually picked up a john green book?
“fifteen year old girls”
- Looking for Alaska: Leading lady Alaska Young, age 17, and supporting female character Lara Buterskaya, 17
- An Abundance of Katherines: Important female characters Lindsey Lee Wells, 18, Katherine Carter, 18, and Katrina, 18
- Paper Towns: Leading lady Margo Roth Spiegelman, 18, and important female character Lacey Pemberton, 18
- Let It Snow: Leading lady The Duke/Angie, age undetermined but at least 16
- Will Grayson, Will Grayson: All main characters are (mostly queer) males; supporting female character Jane Turner
- The Fault in Our Stars: Leading lady Hazel Lancaster, age 16
- LFA: Alaska Young, potentially bipolar, incredibly strong character who refuses help when she doesn’t need it, only shows vulnerability when she really trusts someone (because let’s face it, everyone’s vulnerable in some ways”
- AOK: fuckin…Colin is more vulnerable than Katherine is tbh, and same with Lindsey. he depends on other people and their approval more than either of them. Lindsey, like Alaska, only shows vulnerability when she truly trusts someone, and that ends up being Colin (and partly Hassan). Lindsey talks about how her journey to popularity was all of her own making, something she did entirely by herself. She didn’t depend on anyone else for it.
- PT: Margo actually addresses this claim specifically, when she tells Q that he only came after her “because you wanted to save poor little Margo from her troubled little self, so that I would be oh-so-thankful to my knight in shining armor that I would strip my clothes off and beg you to ravage my body.” She totally shoots down the idea that she needed Q’s help and that he could save her somehow.
- LIS: this is the only one I could actually see an argument for, although the Duke makes it pretty clear that what she does and with whom is her business, and rejects the boys’ claims that they’re just worried about her well-being (which is bullshit)
- WGWG: how the fuck would you think Jane is vulnerable she’s literally this impenetrable vessel of awesome who comes to her own conclusions about guys without any guy’s help
- TFiOS: Hazel is only vulnerable in the physical sense, which, granted, is pretty drastic vulnerability, but this is never exploited for the purposes of the story or by Gus. He’s not going to save her, and they both know it.
“who need to be saved by a man” - i literally have no idea how anyone fucking thinks this
- LFA: Alaska Young is a feminist. Alaska Young is a feminist. Alaska Young repeatedly calls out her male friends for objectifying women’s bodies, for having gender-specific double standards, and for treating women like they need to be saved. Alaska makes is very clear to Pudge that she does not need to be saved by him or by any man. She criticizes him for even having this idea and iterates that the only one who can “save her” is her.
- AOK: I will grant that Lindsey Lee Wells does not do anything to change the shitty things in her situation until Hassan and Colin come along. But this is because of their friendship, not because they’re men and not because of romance. Having people from the outside take one look at her relationships and say “dude, this is fucked up” and ultimately (accidentally) reveal just how shitty her friends and boyfriend are was what finally made her realize how unhappy they made her. It wasn’t because Colin swooped in and made her realize these great injustices that were committed against her.
- PT: Again, Margo directly addresses this when she accuses Q of only coming after her to get into her pants and be the hero. Furthermore, to say that it was only a man who went after her to help her is to ignore the whole premise of the entire last third of the book, which is about the camaraderie that comes with a group of friends working toward a goal and realizing the depth of those relationships. All four of them wanted to rescue Margo because they thought she was dead.
- LIS: When the Duke confesses her feelings to Tobin, it’s of her own accord, because her own feelings were welling up and she couldn’t keep them in anymore. It wasn’t because of anything he did, for christ’s sake, it was because she wanted to. He himself had no bearing on that decision.
- WGWG: Will Grayson #1 (the straight one) may have been the one who planted the seed of the idea that Jane’s boyfriend wasn’t good for her, but again, it was she who eventually decided he was right and chose a new course. She would’ve done the same regardless of who suggested it.
- TFiOS: HOW DO YOU EVEN THINK THAT GUS SAVED HAZEL LIKE JFC THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF THE NOVEL IS THAT NO ONE CAN SAVE SOMEONE ELSE FROM DYING LIKE THAT AND YET YOU STILL THINK SOMEHOW THAT IT ENCOURAGES YOUNG GIRLS TO DEPEND ON MEN I CANNOT EVEN FATHOM HOW STUPID THAT IS JUST CHRIST PLEASE READ THE FUCKING BOOK
basically just actually read his books if you’re going to talk shit and don’t make shit up about them please go fuck yourself if you’re that stupid