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I think we are trying to create a world in itself, a kind of universe. We want people to become involved with that world, and they do it in their relationships with these fictional characters. And sometimes their relationship can be surprisingly powe…
This interview with Julian Fellowes took place at the Berkeley Hotel in London.
How did you build your many characters, and did you build them with the actors?
When you are writing a series, it’s not like a film, because you write for
the performances. You can see that this actor is funny or this one is
moving, and you deliberately concoct situations to play to their
strengths. If an actor says to me, “Could I have more of this, or less
of that?” – it’s always worth listening, as they are inside the
Do you love all your characters?
what we got right is that we don’t give either side any more weight
than the other – no more moral weight or intelligence. The love affair
between Anna and Mr. Bates has the same dramatic weight as the love
affair between Mary and Matthew.
How do you manage to create all these characters?
think you know all sorts of people and you just do it. Sometimes, when
you read it over, you see a false note and say, “Oh, she wouldn’t have
said that or used those words.” And then my wife reads it over and she
says, “I don’t think Mrs. Patmore the cook would have said that.” And
she’s usually right. And then after that it goes to the producers and
it’s only then that anyone else sees it.
Which are the most popular figures?
Everyone likes Maggie Smith as the dowager, but they all have their following.
As an actor, once you are a Lord or a butler you can be typecast. Don’t they get typecast?
Maggie Smith, she is already famous for herself. Hugh Bonneville is
also pretty famous in England, and so is Elizabeth McGovern.
you make them very human, and there are ambiguous characters like
Thomas the gay footman and Bates the valet of Lord Grantham?
Thomas is, in one sense, the least generous, but on the other hand,
being homosexual at that time was very tough. They were still
prosecuting homosexuals into my teens. Some people thought it was wrong;
my parents thought it was wrong. I grew up in the atmosphere that this
was the wrong thing to be doing, so I am sympathetic to their plight.
never reveals his feelings. He doesn’t need a mass of friends, he
doesn’t need reassurance, he doesn’t need to tell everyone his troubles.
I am fascinated by those people. He doesn’t need forgiveness. He needs
his wife Anna to love him, and as long as she loves him, then that’s
And what about Anna?
His wife is a kind of
enabler – generous, kind, perfectly social, easy to get on with. But
she knows her husband is none of those things so she has to be the
bridge between him and the rest. She normalizes her husband for you,
even though her husband is not normal.
And Carson the butler?
is more of a believer in the old order than any of the family. He
believes much more passionately in the class system than either of the
Granthams. He just feels that when the boat starts to rock, it will all
fall apart, so every last detail must be maintained for as long as it
And Mrs. Hughes the housekeeper?
represents the majority of people in domestic service. For her, it’s a
job. She’s not unhappy. When the system comes to an end she won’t be
particularly bothered and will use her skills in some other way and move
Even Mrs. Patmore the cook?
She has a
marketable skill. She became a very important character, and a lot of
that was to do with Lesley Nicol, who plays her, because she’s very
Are the acting company like a family, and do they get on together?
all get on very well and look forward to coming back to work each year.
They are not together between August and February, and they all do
other things. And then they come back to go on with the series. It’s a
nice atmosphere on the set. I was there the other day.
Are you friendly with them all? Your great friend is Maggie Smith?
am pretty friendly with most of them, and know some better than others.
And I have worked with Hugh and Maggie and Allen Leech before. They are
a nice group.
They are very different from the characters they play?