Since there is so much evidence about what a scumbag Renly was why on earth would the show writers make him the best of the three Baratheon brothers? It makes no sense to me.
Because GRRM, in his tricksy wisdom, also made Renly intelligent, funny, and genuinely charming and then made his main opponents people who aren’t.
When we first encounter Renly in Sansa I and Eddard III, not only is he a young Robert without the alcoholism and Targ-murder-boner, but he’s also making fun of the Lannisters who we’re being primed to hate even more because they’re trying to execute dogs. (Although if you think about it, isn’t it interesting that Renly comes off so well despite not lifting a finger to actually help?)
Then when we encounter him again in ACOK, he’s being contrasted against Stannis, who we’re also primed to dislike (so that the face turn works in ASOS). Remember, Stannis is introduced allowing walking empathy magnet Maester Cressen to be humiliated, and the next image we have of him before he meets with Renly is him joining a scary cult (another example of how priming wrong-foots people: Melisandre). And again, look at their meeting:
Again, on the surface, Renly’s the one with the better japes, the peach, and he’s the one who’s going to get horribly murdered so there’s the sympathy factor as well.
You don't get why fans like Stannis, but can we all agree that D&D did a shitty job at adapting the character and everything he stands for? They needed him for the Blackwater battle, the war at the Wall and Shireen's sacrifice and then they were done. They didn't even know what to do with him in between those events.
Satannis’s demise in the season finale was farcical, and he deserved
better. When you’re making an adaptation, you don’t have the right to
completely fuck over a character just because you happen not to like
him. Stannis is a skilled and experienced battle commander who values
loyalty and honest council. He’s approaching Winterfell with a plan,
after spending aDwD gaining a following, not having people abandon him
left and right because he’s such a jerk.
People were literally
rooting for the Boltons because they’re less asshole-like than Satannis.
If that’s not a perfect reflection of how they failed to successfully
adapt his aDwD plot, we don’t know what is.
Since Renly didn't talk about the incest did he give any excuse for his attempt to take the throne other than ''i will be a great king''.
Nope. Renly’s campaign pitch was: A. the glamour and magnificence of his person and his court, and B. the size of his battalions, while trying to get everyone to forget about the larger implications of any of it.
As usual, Stannis puts it best:
“Good men and true will fight for Joffrey, wrongly believing him the true king. A northman might even say the same of Robb Stark. But these lords who flocked to my brother’s banners knew him for a usurper. They turned their backs on their rightful king for no better reason than dreams of power and glory, and I have marked them for what they are.”
If Robb had declared for Stannis before being crowned, how would Stannis have rewarded him, longterm, assuming they crush the Lannisters? And if Stannis pushed his religion on the north, how would Robb have reacted? (I would assume he wouldn't accept it).
I think Stannis would have rewarded Robb by A. punishing the Lannisters (because they’re lawbreakers), B. returning Robb’s sisters, family sword, and father’s body (because it’s the right thing to do) and C. recognized him in his ancestral titles (because that’s the law).
I don’t know if he’d be inclined to do more than that, because as Stannis sees it, Robb owes Stannis his allegiance as a matter of law, and you don’t get brownie points for obeying the law. Now, as a matter of practical politics, a Stannis who needs Northern swords to carry him to the Iron Throne knows that you also need to reward service in proportion, so if Robb does a good job as he’s likely to do, I think Stannis would be willing to grant a request he saw as within reason.
No, Robb is not going to accept R’hllorism as a state religion in the North. But in this scenario, I don’t see Stannis feeling that indebted to Melisandre, so…
Tried to explain it with a diagram, for those who haven’t read the books and could be a bit lost :)
NB: - in the show, Stannis is not involved. - I’ve put “?” for things that are only hypothesis on my part, as they’ve not been confirmed in the books.
I can’t help but be amazed. GRRM have thought of ALL this when he started writing ASOIAF. All these arrows everywhere… it’s so complex, so many characters are involved and for so many different reasons! GRRM had even thought of a false explanation that the characters (and readers) would be led to believe through Ned’s investigation. It’s bloody AWESOME!!! Jon’s murder is the starting point of the series. When you see how complex this murder was, there is no wonder why the books are so amazing ^^
Also, Littlefinger is a bastard and a genius and I adore him <3
Question of the day: Could Cersei be the only one in Westeros who genuinely believes that Jon Arryn died of a fever? She has no reason to think otherwise! XD
(If you think I’ve gotten some things wrong in my diagram, please tell me! I’m not 100% sure I got everything right)