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Rhaella Targaryen


Much like her father Rhaella inherited her fathers looks and sense of honor. Rhaella is more wolf than dragon. Called the winter rose of King’s Landing Rhaella is the first born child of Daenerys Targaryen and Jon Snow. The future queen of Westeros Rhaella is protective of her family especially siblings. Closest to her twin brother Robb they were the only ones born in the north after the great war. Spending most of her childhood in Winterfell growing up Rhaella has a special place in her heart for the north. Gifted in both archery and strategics thanks to her aunts Arya and Sansa Stark Rhaella is beloved by northerns and southerns alike. When she isn’t in training to be queen she is either found riding her horse alongside her direwolf Snowstep or training her dragon Vexes


Robb Targaryen


Dubbed “the quiet dragon” for his fierce fighting skills and cool nature Robb is the most reserved out of his siblings. The first to successfully train and ride his dragon Redclaw Robb is the most like his mother. A dragon through and through Robb inherited the traditional targaryen look. Unlike his sister who’d rather be in the north Robb prefers the warmth of the south. Seen with either his siblings or among the common folk Robb is respected among his peers. When he’s not watching over his siblings Robb spends his free time taking care of both his dragon and direwolf Greywind who was named after his uncle Robbs fallen direwolf.


Daemon Targaryen


Born in King’s Landing and the third eldest Daemon looks up to his father the most and dreams of being like him one day but is unfortunately nicknamed the “Rowdy wolf”. When not causing trouble Daemon can be found either reading about knights or roaming the woods with his direwolf Jade. An amateur adventurer Daemon longs to travel the world like his aunt Arya. The only sibling to not own a dragon Daemon is the wildest out his siblings often causing mayhem for his parents in the red keep. Like his sister Rhaella he prefers the wilderness of Winterfell as well.


Lyanna Targaryen


Though named after her grandmother Lyanna takes after her mother. Born in Dragonstone during a storm like her mother she is refereed as Daenerys Targaryen reborn. Kind and wise beyond her years Lyanna is often seen with her father’s bestfriend Sam learning about history or playing with her direwolf Lukka. The gentlest out of her siblings she enjoys spending time with her aunt Sansa learning how to be a lady. Like her brother Robb Lyanna prefers the warmth of the south and riding her dragon Starspear.



Ok y'all this is my own little take on the children of Jon and Daenerys. Let me know if you like this I might make this into a future fic. A post about Arya and Sansa’s future children will be next.

Update: Here’s the link to the fic

http://archiveofourown.org/works/11961255/chapters/27046869

Rhaegar x Tyrell!Reader

Imagine being a Tyrell and catching the eye of Prince Rhaegar.

((Anon asked for a Rhaegar x Reader one shot where there’s no marriage to Elia or Robert’s Rebellion….I hope you like this anon!))

Word Count: 1,932

Waring: Uh….poorly written daughter to Olenna Tyrell? Poorly written Rhaegar? lol

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The Sound of Trumpets! 🎺

The trumpets blaring in these two moments has always been super significant to me! Trumpet sounds have symbolism to victory, jubilee, heroism, power, authority, social status etc. Trumpets are musical declarations/announcements.

I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that the two most critcal moments in Jon’s life in Season 6 both involved Sansa and both involved trumpet sounds. So if trumpets are considered musical declarations/announcements, what message was the sound trying to get across? Other than Sansa arriving to these places what do the trumpet sounds symbolize?

To me the trumpet sounds symbolize the tide of the battle turning both literally and figuratively in Jon’s life and the future that is in store for him as King with Sansa. The first scene where the trumpet is heard is when Sansa just arrived at Castle Black and Jon is literally throwing in the towel on his life. The second scene where the trumpet is heard is when Jon has been “reborn” and has made the choice to actually truly live again! Then the trumpet blares and Sansa comes with the Knights of the Vale.

What I mean by “the tide of the battle turning” is that both moments with Sansa signify a hopeful, destiny knocking, shift in Jon’s life. When Jon wanted to wander south in despair, the trumpet blares just as he’s about to leave and Sansa arrives to remind him of his purpose. Even if life has given him shit, wandering aimlessly down south is not his destiny. At the Battle of the Bastards, Jon fights for his life and crawls his way up from under the crowd. This is the first time we see Jon having the will to live all season long. He is essentially reborn again. As Jon just made the choice to live and all seemed lost in the battle, the trumpet blares and Sansa arrives with the Vale. Once again Sansa saves him, reminds him of his purpose but this time around he is ignited and pursues Ramsay.

Honestly, we can easily say that the trumpets sounds represent the same thing for Sansa as well. The moments in her life where a hopeful, destiny knocking, shift took place for her too. I also think it’s significant foreshadowing for Sansa as the future Queen of Westeros.

Trumpets have always been used for centuries to announce the arrival of royalty or present a newborn royal baby. I don’t think anyone else on the show has had big arrivals with trumpet sounds like Sansa. Also there was just something so majestic about he way the scenes were filmed.

Did anyone else think there was significance with the trumpet horns?

I don’t think people understand that it is never mentioned that Rhaegar loved Ellia Martell. He married her because his father wanted him to, he needed heirs and fast because the Targaryen family was fading. If you think Rhaegar is an ass for leaving Ellia I tell you it’s a little bit more complicated than that. As a child of a divorced couple I can say that being with someone you don’t love just because you have children with them is overwhelming and tiring, and no one should have to stay with someone they don’t love. Divorce sucks, but that’s life. Life gives you love when you least expect it, and sometimes it isn’t the right thing to go after them, but I believe happiness should be the number one priority of everyone.
And also, Rhaegar couldn’t possible have known that Robert was going to make a fucking rebellion and kill his entire family. He could expect some crazy stuff from the Starks, but not the rebellion, no one would have guessed it. And Ellia being killed was The Mountains doing, not Rhaegar, and he wasn’t even supposed to kill Ellia, cause she wasn’t a Targaryen. If you’re one of the people who believe it’s all Rhaegars fault, rethink. It’s not all black and white, there’s a lot of factors and lots of people lead to the death of Ellia Martell.
I also wanted to point out that Ellia was no child, she probably knew Rhaegar didn’t love her. Her own brother said she walked among vipers and was never bitten. She was a badass and clever women who became the future queen of Westeros. I believe she was more like the Margaery of the tv series than she was of this cute and innocent image that people have of her. Remember, for the people of Westeros Margaery was also cute and innocent, she was so loved by her people and lots of noble people who feel in her charm. Dornish women are known for being clever and ambitious, if you don’t think Ellia Martell wasn’t like this as well you’re fooling yourself. And don’t get me wrong, I think it’s fantastic if Ellia is like the way I think of her. Much more interesting than just being the wronged wife and defenseless Ellia Martell.
My point is, Game of Thrones isn’t something that is just or Rhaegar is an ass or he’s a man in love. It’s a story that doesn’t have innocent people and I just get so frustrated that people pick thoughts and puts them in little boxes, it’s a story that have shown time after time that the little boxes aren’t a option. Little boxes are comfort, like taking religion as a excuse to hate on women, lgbtq community and people of color. Open your eyes and just appreciate how difficult is Game Of Thrones, just like real life.

anonymous asked:

why the hell do people assume that Rhaegar's annulment automatically makes his first two children bastards? They were conceived and born while their parents were officially husband and wife (otherwise there would have been nothing to annul), therefore they cannot be bastards by definition

It depends on the grounds of the annulment. If Rhaegar aimed to declare his first marriage with Elia initially not legitimate then his kids by her would be considered to be bastards. However he would need a very serious reason for this to even stand and considering the history of marriages in his family tree that would be one hell of a difficult thing to do. I think most people have in their minds King Henry VII and his treatment of Catherine of Aragon and the rest of his wives when they hear the term annulment here.

The problem here is how vaguely this term was used in the show without pointing out any potential implications. The writers only focused on a way to further push Jon’s legitimacy and his claim on the throne without actually thinking all the way through about how they presented what they used as a loophole to fit into their narrative. And since they did not bother with paying more attention to the details and honoring the background of their history as they should then the fans have every right to assume whatever they want when it comes to this. The writing here was superficial and messy and if we take under account only the show’s canon then Rhaegar is not filtered through a very positive light.

But in truth in his case depending on how the annulment was used this could not bring any implications to the line of succession.

This is not just about how Rhaegar treated Elia in a personal level or what happened after that. If we are talking about the annulment here we need to focus on the motives and the characters are play.

We know that Rhaegar fucked up but he was not known for cruelty. Even to his relationship with Elia. People spoke of his ‘noble’ intentions and all that but no where they speak of him as the kind of person that would be cruel and unjust to his own children.

For all we know this could be one way for Rhaegar to not go against the Faith by pushing polygamy that would be a very sensitive issue and more so since he wanted to overthrow his father and would need all the support he could get. That would also include the Martells so despite his divorce with Elia his two first heirs would still be backed up by the House Martell.

I think that at that point in time the Martells hardly cared about Rhaegar’s affair no matter how they truly view it. I think their priorities would be Elia and her kids. To ensure their safety and to promote and protect the interest of Elia and of her children. Both when it came to the imminent threat they were facing (Mad King and even the upcoming Rebellion) and their future position when it came to who would succeed the Mad King and Rheagar. This is very complicated and it becomes more so since Rhaegar married Lyanna and kept her in Dorne. In secrecy yes but how possible would it be for no one to know they were there? Especially the rulers of Dorne. That could not be a coincidence in my opinion. It is contradictory to Rhaegar’s interests so why especially Dorne? Something does not add up.

I think Rhaegar was searching for a convenient loophole to keep everyone happy in terms of power balance. Elia had to be returned to her family safe and sound but The Mad King kept her and their children with him so Rhaegar and the House Martell had to ensure their safety. Rhaegar had to give concessions at both sides while he was obviously still dangling along his obsessions with the prophecies and his potential feelings for Lyanna and his plans to overthrow Aerys (and probably wanted to be certain that he had three children before going up against his father in case he would not win. First he wanted to ensure that the prophecies would come to fruition before he would make his move. He went all wrong about it of course. He was absolutely certain that his House was secure no matter what the outcome of his plans would be. He could not imagine what was planned underneath his nose and what was coming. He already had heirs. Viserys was also alive. His third sibling -the third head of the Dragon from Aerys was in its way-. He took a lot of time. He did not see what was coming and how he and his House would be also betrayed (by the Lords he thought were supporting him) and the rebellion broke out by those that took advantage of his stalling and mistakes and obsessions).

As far the annulment goes he probably wanted to legitimize Jon in terms of legality and not in terms of succession before his first son. And also Rhaegar died before he knew the gender of his third child. He probably believed that he was going to have one more girl and that Aegon from Elia was the Prince from the prophecy. And so he probably aimed to give more legitimacy to his daughter from Lyanna too and make her equal with his other two children so all three of them would be united when their time to rise would come. I think he wanted to make sure that none of his children would be bastards and not the other way around.

Do not forget that Rhaegar was obsessed with the Dragon having three heads. That does not only mean that he would do anything to get the third child. It also means that he wanted above anything else and before anything else to ensure that he would have three children no matter what. That meant he cared for all three and believed that all three had a role to play to how the prophecies would unfold including anything concerning the Prince that was Promised and/or Ahor Ahai and the Long Night.

Ironically he was not that wrong. I know that his obsession make him seem nutty (which he probably was lol) but he was not wrong was he? The Long Night was coming. The signs were there. Magic was returning to the world. Either Jon is the Prince that was Promised or he is an intricate part of that prophecy in the end Rhaegar was right in believing that his child (if not children) would have a great role to the Great war. But prophecies are never clear and you cannot control them or even translate them accurately. And if the Dragon had to have three heads then in the show those that were left were Daenerys, Viserys and Jon and Viserys died and so did the dragon that was named after him and now belongs to the Night’s King. So the Dragon does have to have three heads (let us put a question mark in books for the whole Griff thing).

And in all that mess we are still to know what Elia’s stance was in all of this. We know how her story ended and we know how people decades later have portrayed her (as a victim, as collateral damage, as a loving mother, as a martyr and even a saint etc etc) but we hardly know anything about her true agency. About how her mind worked and how she was able to play the game. Before we victimize her and give all power to Rhaegar we should truly think of who Elia truly was. She was a Martell. She was the woman that rose to power through marriage and was meant to become a Queen and the mother of the future ruler of Westeros. She was brought up in a Kingdom with powerful individuals that accepted and respected women in position of power. Her siblings have been portrayed as empowered characters but all we know about Elia is that she was the victim of the story. And now an annulment is thrown at us carelessly. I feel that her voice is missing form all of this. In the same way I think that for example Margaery Tyrell’s true agency and voice will be missing in a few decades later and history will portray her as a different person from who she truly was. History is written by the victors after all and true facts and characters are lost in obscurity.

anonymous asked:

[about the "bittersweet" ending] do you think that one of them (jon or dany) dying in the end is more of a *tragic* rather than *bittersweet* ending???

Hi anon,

I’ve said this before but I use to think that either one or both of them would die in the end. However, after discussing it for many years and after this past season, I’m not sure that is the case anymore. 

For my losing one of both of them would be tragic, not only because of what they’ve been through but also because of the possibilities their reign could bring to a new Westeros. 

Especially in Dany’s case where she’s been someone who wants to change the way things have always been and has actively worked towards that. She could have retained power over the Bay of Dragons, but once she liberated it and was able to secure its freedom from those who wanted it to return to what it used to be, she left. She allowed them to rule themselves and to find their way in the world. That I think says a lot about how she sees her role. 

Although having said that, I imagine she wants to rule Westeros until she dies and would want her children to rule. But I do think she wants to rule in order to make a difference because she believes she can do it. She is still a product of a medieval society. But a constitutional monarchy wouldn’t be out of the question and you need a king or a queen visionary enough to lead Westeros into a new future. 

Anywho, that’s all to say that if Dany or Jon were to die, their journey to learn how to rule and lead would be kind of stifled. They used it for something but in the end, it was cut short. Also, who is left who can rule and inspire people to follow them? No one that I can think of. So yeah, I think it would be tragic rather than bittersweet. 

TTFN

ETA: I forgot to mention the best part. If you put fire and ice together you get WATER!

Can we talk about Grey Worm for a minute please.

He was taken from his mother and family as a child and sold into slavery. He was mutilated and made an Unsullied - a eunuch with no future, no allowed thoughts and personality, simply a warrior machine taught to follow without question. 

This man, who had no future, was set free by Daenerys Targaryen. 

He rose to become Leader of the Unsullied. He was suddenly allowed to, and able to, use his incredibly smart perceptions (that he did not even know were there, because he was not allowed to access them) into leading the Unsullied into Battle.

He became, through this, one of the most trusted advisors to the woman who set him free - the woman who enabled ‘Grey Worm’ to stop being a name of shame, but instead a name of honour. 

The more he was allowed to be purely himself, the more he and we were able to discover that Grey Worm has a pure and beautiful heart - he is loyal to no end to those who are good to him. 

Because of being able to have feelings now, in the show Grey Worm is allowed to fall in love; a man who, as a eunuch, probably thought such a thing would never be within his grasp. But Grey Worm now can, and does. He falls in love with Missandei, and she reciprocates that love. 

And now he is sailing to Westeros with this Queen who enabled him to have all of that. A man who probably thought he would be a slave forever is now sailing to a part of the world he probably only thought of in his wildest dreams.

And because of his position, if Daenerys gets the Iron Throne, Grey Worm will be the Head of the Kingsguard. 

A man, once with no future, now is a Leader, an advisor, a man with a beautiful woman by his side who loves him and whom he loves. 

A man who used to have no future will now be the Head of the Kingsguard to the Queen of Westeros. 

I just have a LOT of feelings about Grey Worm.

anonymous asked:

How would you compare Robb Stark's marriage to Jeyne Westerling to the marriages of Aegon V's children?

Thanks for the question, Anon.

I think they’re fundamentally different circumstances that demonstrate the different paternal influences in each case. 

In the case of Aegon V, although we don’t know many details, we know that Aegon V wed Betha Blackwood for love. I’ve talked before about how I think Aegon was betrothed to his sister Daella, and how he wed Betha in secret at Raventree before coming back with her to court. Betha’s noble riverlord blood and Aegon’s comparatively low place in the line of succession meant that Aegon wasn’t punished for the marriage, but I think the action taught his children the wrong lesson: that if you found someone you loved, it was perfectly alright to break off a betrothal to marry that person instead. 

So Prince Duncan stumbles upon Jenny of Oldstones in the Riverlands, and I think he fancied himself a new version of his dad. Papa Aegon was trying very hard to be a new kind of Westerosi king - the kind who cared about making the smallfolk’s lives better, someone who drew upon his own experiences with the people. He had given his heir a commoner’s name, after all - the name of the man who had showed him the common side of life in Westeros. What better way to continue his father’s legacy than to make a commoner future Queen of Westeros, and mingle the blood of the royal dragonlords and that of the humblest of their subjects? And, of course, Aegon had already shown that wedding for love was quite alright, even when the party was betrothed. 

Same story with Jaehaerys and Shaera. Sure, they were betrothed, but they loved one another. Aegon had (at least in my thinking) married his bride in secret at Raventree, so again I think Jaehaerys and Shaera thought that they were doing exactly what Aegon’s own example told them was alright.They would elope together, just like Betha and Aegon, and how terribly romantic it would be. I know Yandel speaks of willfulness as the reason for his children’s choices, but I’m not sure that they actually thought they were doing something wrong. That is, maybe they were aware part of it was wrong - the being already betrothed - but I think Jaehaerys and Shaera might have honestly believed that Aegon’s experience made it alright. Aegon had wed a noble lady in secret and come back to court with her as his wife; Jaehaerys and Shaera were marrying each other in secret, noble dragonlord blood, and consummating the match so that they could never be separated.

Looking at Robb, by contrast, he was not motivated by love per se, but he was similarly influenced by his father. It was extraordinary and tragic circumstances which led Robb to deflower Jeyne Westerling; Robb’s retelling of the story to Catelyn underlines that it was only after the wounded Robb was brought news of Bran’s and Rickon’s “deaths” that Jeyne “comforted” him. What provided him some comfort in the moment, however, gave him none in its aftermath: he had now taken the maidenhead of a nobly born young woman, and perhaps created a bastard child.

Robb himself was no stranger to the taint of bastardy: the honor of his father had compelled Ned Stark (at least in popular telling) to bring his bastard son Jon to Winterfell, to be raised alongside his trueborn children.  Still, Robb would have seen the cool relationship between his half-brother and close friend and his lady mother; even doted-upon bastards like Jon are widely disgraced among the Westerosi nobility (outside of Dorne) as products of lust and shame, and their career options are limited (a large motivation behind Jon’s joining the Night’s Watch). Deflowering Jeyne and leaving her with his bastard would condemn her to a similar unhappy fate, disregarding every lesson Ned Stark taught his sons about honor. Ned could not have married the mother of his bastard son, being already wed to Catelyn, but Robb could – and would – do his father one better. That’s not to say Robb didn’t love Jeyne - he very clearly did, and Jeyne’s devotion to him is one of her most laudable qualities. But his marriage was not about “well, dad wed for love, and so can I”, the way Aegon’s children’s were. I think instead, Robb felt like he wanted to do what his father could not - make good on his error in fathering a bastard. 

The Queen Regent (NFriel)

anonymous asked:

I find it odd that Ashara Dayne is openly dishonored, a Lady in waiting to the future Queen, and sister to the deadliest knight in Westeros. Whether she is openly dishonored is unknown, but it's known enough for someone in Barristan's station to know. We have two characters connected to the victim; one is a sibling and the other, a man in love. Why did no one avenge her honor? Why did no one pull a "Dragonknight"? Only thing I can think of, is that they couldn't...b/c of their vows. Thoughts?

Thanks for the question, Anon!

I think some clarification is needed here. Let’s go to what I presume you’re referring to - Ser Barristan Selmy’s internal thoughts in ADWD:

Even after all these years, Ser Barristan could still recall Ashara’s smile, the sound of her laughter. He had only to close his eyes to see her, with her long dark hair tumbling about her shoulders and those haunting purple eyes. Daenerys has the same eyes. Sometimes when the queen looked at him, he felt as if he were looking at Ashara’s daughter …

But Ashara’s daughter had been stillborn, and his fair lady had thrown herself from a tower soon after, mad with grief for the child she had lost, and perhaps for the man who had dishonored her at Harrenhal as well. She died never knowing that Ser Barristan had loved her. How could she? He was a knight of the Kingsguard, sworn to celibacy. No good could have come from telling her his feelings. No good came from silence either. If I had unhorsed Rhaegar and crowned Ashara queen of love and beauty, might she have looked to me instead of Stark? (“The Kingbreaker”, A Dance with Dragons)

Barristan makes at least one, probably two accusations here: that Ashara was “dishonored” by a man at the Tourney of Harrenhal and (here’s the probably) that man was one of the Stark brothers (presumably Brandon or Ned, since Benjen was still young). But let’s break a couple things down.

First, can we trust Barristan Selmy’s perspective? His thoughts are colored and maybe blinded by his unrequited love for Ashara Dayne - a love which we have no reason to believe she knew existed, and certainly never indicated she shared. He possessively calls her “his fair lady”, and shows a decent amount of jealousy in the thoughts above - that as the runner-up of the great joust, he lost his chance to demonstrate his love for Ashara. If only he had won, she would have known and chosen him (a conclusion, again, we have no reason to trust).

Second, what does Barristan mean when he says Ashara was “dishonored”?
If Ashara was raped by Brandon or Ned (or another man at Harrenhal, though I tend to think her affair was with a Stark), then certainly Arthur would have cause to defend his sister’s honor; she is a noblewoman, and even if the Dornish view sex permissively, rape - and especially the rape of a noblewoman - is still a crime in Westeros.

But the possibility remains that Ashara and one of the Stark brothers had consensual sex. Indeed, the conclusion is supported by Harwin’s speculation to Arya, based on his own understanding of the situation:

“Aye, he told me. Lady Ashara Dayne. It’s an old tale, that one. I heard it once at Winterfell, when I was no older than you are now.” He took hold of her bridle firmly and turned her horse around. “I doubt there’s any truth to it. But if there is, what of it? When Ned met this Dornish lady, his brother Brandon was still alive, and it was him betrothed to Lady Catelyn, so there’s no stain on your father’s honor. There’s nought like a tourney to make the blood run hot, so maybe some words were whispered in a tent of a night, who can say? Words or kisses, maybe more, but where’s the harm in that? Spring had come, or so they thought, and neither one of them was pledged.” (“Arya VIII”, A Storm of Swords)

Harwin was not an eyewitness of course, but his remarks should still be taken seriously. While Brandon was pledged to marry Catelyn, Ned remained a bachelor.  With neither of them promised to another, they were legally free to conduct an affair with each other. Arthur Dayne may not have seen such an affair as dishonorable; if he trusted his sister to make romantic choices (and again, the permissiveness of Dorne pushes for the Daynes’ lenient understanding of sexuality) and heard nothing about rape or cruelty, he would have had no reason to call Ned or Brandon out for a duel. Barristan, however, may have thought that any man who slept with Ashara had “dishonored” her (a common thought among Westerosi lords - look at the attention paid to the assurance of Margaery Tyrell’s maidenhood before the second and third of her royal marriages).

Barristan’s thoughts on the “dishonoring” of Ashara seem to stem from post-hoc conclusions from events to which he was not privy. If Arthur trusted Ashara’s romantic choices, or if Ned promised to marry Ashara after the tourney, he would have had no cause to defend his sister’s honor (he would also have had to know who “dishonored her” if he did care, which means relying on Ashara to tell). Barristan might have thought her dishonored, but he himself knew Ashara little. He doesn’t know why Ashara committed suicide, merely taking the popular conclusion that she was consumed by grief for a stillborn baby. As far as we know, in fact, he never talked to her. Barristan coming forward as a champion for Ashara presupposes that she was truly and legally dishonored, that he knows for fact who did so, and that Ashara would have supported him doing so - all shaky conclusions.

The Queen Regent (NFriel)

anonymous asked:

Dorne was awful in the books anyway, it was too disconnected from everything else and Arianne's plan was fucking stupid. She went to all that trouble... and didn't ask Doran about the letter? So stupid. She is, in general, a stupid character and one of the worst POVs in A Song of Ice and Fire. Still better than those Sand Snakes though. But if the casting director wasn't on crack, that might not have been the case.

No no. You come into MY house you do not get to shit on Arianne Nymeros Martell.

Why she didn’t ask Doran about the letter? Well aside from the fact that her relationship with her father (which btw, IS the plot of the Dornish chapters) is characterized by a poetic Shakespearean flaw in which they both can’t openly talk to one another, if she was right about her threatened birthright, then confronting him would actually be an incredible risk on her part. What leverage would she have had? Crowning Myrcella was her only attempt at getting any sort of hold over Doran. It was to place herself as the titular leader in Dorne, where her leadership could not be questioned, and Doran would be in NO position to supplant her with the Yronwoods.

Was she wrong about her birthright being threatened? Yes. Was it still a logical conclusion for her? Yes.

  • At 14 she read a leader intended for Quentyn where Doran said “one day you will sit where I sit and rule all of Dorne.” There is no other way to interpret that letter, because Doran did indeed intent for Quentyn to become the Ruling Prince. How could Arianne have possibly known “oh I bet it’s because he’s secretly planning to make me queen.”
  • Over the years, Arianne has never been presented with a proper suitor, potentially demonstrating that not only does Doran not particularly care about her political future, but he also doesn’t care about her happiness.
  • Doran relegated Arianne to the Party Planner of Dorne, putting her in charge of feasts and frolics and the entertainment of noble guests, indicating that he didn’t value her and had no intent to shape her for rule. Though this may have been a good role for the future Queen of Westeros to have, it’s an inappropriate position for the heir to Dorne.
  • Following the above point, Doran sent for Oberyn twice a fortnight, yet only asked Arianne to visit him at the Water Gardens twice a year, further demonstrating his disinterest.

Keep in mind, supplanting Arianne not only deprives her of her own birthright, but has MARKED cultural implications for the rest of Dorne. Arianne talks about Anders Yronwood being “Criston Cole” reborn, because she is under the impression that Doran (backed by Yronwood) is going to replace her with Quentyn by changing the system to be that of Westerosi inheritance. So this isn’t really the kind of thing we should expect her to sit back and just blindly accept.

Now, here’s where I’m going to more fully defend the Queenmaker (QM) plot:

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i think the biggest proof that shireen is indeed stannis daughter and a baratheon is the fact that greyscale kills grown ass men and couldn’t kill her as an infant.
shireen baratheon is fucking metal t b q h.
i’d like to see your favs surviving greyscale!!!

The more I watch Game of Thrones, really, the more I feel that it’s Sansa–not Dany, Jon, Stannis, or any other claimant–that I want to see end up in power (although a life sitting on the Iron Throne may be the last thing she wants). Toughened by her experience but tough enough to retain some measure of kindness, she’s one queen I could imagine sculpting Westeros’s rubble into something worthwhile–one person who could look at the plans for a castle without first asking where is it you hold the executions.

-TIME Magazine’s James Poniewozik’s recap of Game of Thrones episode “Mockingjay”

i make my own way

Once, back when she was still young and frightened and was called a little bird who did no more than repeat the words of others in a sweet voice, she would have trembled in the gaze of this queen. It is cold in the Eyrie, but Queen Daenerys stands before her in her Dothraki leathers, bare skin exposed. Outside the towers of the castle, her three dragons have taken to sitting on the exposed ledges of the caves. 


Sansa does not sit on the high seat where once her aunt and cousin and then her pretend father did. She will sit on no chair but that of her real father’s in Winterfell. The queen before her is not queen yet, but she will be, this much the game tells her. She is young too, not but a year or so older than her.


Later, the two retire to a private room for the two of them. Sansa had been pleased to see the form of Ser Barriston Selmy, and he now stands in the shadows of the room as they talk.


“I mean to take what is mine,” the silver haired woman says, one hand around the cup of heated wine.


Sansa is no longer a stranger to the game. She had learned well as Alayne under her supposed father, until she had no need of him anymore. She is tired of being used. Across the small table sits opportunity and the ability to take what she wants.


She schools her face, casts her eyes up in a demure gaze. “And you want my help, your grace?”


Daenerys’ violet eyes are sharp. ‘I know what you are, I know what you have been through,’ they seem to say.

“You have thousands of soldiers I could use through your husband.”
Alayne Stone had a husband. Sansa Stark did too. “He is not my true husband.”


“I should think, maybe, that you would like to be rid of both?”


Vengeance, revenge, and justice. All done in fire and blood.


“I want my home back. I want Winterfell,” she says. “And I want justice for my mother and brother’s death.” This is her price.


“Then you shall have it, Sansa Stark.”

Fire and blood. The scene plays out before her like a story, and what a pretty song it will be once it is sung.