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anonymous asked:

howdy! have you seen sylph-of-hope's recent explanation for why hope is canonically the strongest aspect? thoughts? rebuttal?

This is going to be very messy, fair warning. This is some serious stream of consciousness and rambling

Anyways, let’s start, I guess

Mechanically, it creates a stupid imbalance in a game where EVERYTHING is balanced out.
Paired aspects, equal active/passive classes, even amount of players on the moons, the fact that there are 2 moons and not 1, the fact that the conflict is caused by Derse winning and upsetting a balance because Prospit is fated to lose, yeah you get it.
The game balances itself CONSTANTLY.
Duality is the name of the game, honestly. Doom, often seen as Sburb rules and system, Sollux had a million 2 things going on. Mages seen as “experiencing” the aspect, Sburb is dualistic as freaking hell, so why would one aspect ever be more powerful?

Even when Space was the most important aspect because genesis frog, Time was too, making a balance between them.

It’s… stupid. Even if Hope /would/ be canonically stronger… just… fuck that. People disregard canon for better ideas all the time, which is why it’s pretty lame for everyone to bitch to the sylph about it. I don’t agree with it, and the extent of my comment was
“It’s 2017 and this still exists, oh geez” because I haven’t seen ~hope discord~ in months. Because yada yada imbalance, whatever, I like looking at Sburb mechanics more from a game perspective than narrative and equal aspects are /great/.
But everyone else had to just…. keep saying… unnecessary shit…
Like dude. Taking things too far, just chill and disregard.
Because if Hope is going to be plot contrivance from a narrative perspective, Rage would be plot disregard.

Acceptance and rejection, get it?

Yeah, so just reject the concept and substitute and move on, but ya guys didn’t. Like there’s a difference in being mad around me because of someone and actually sending some dumb shit to them.
God, anyways, I got distracted here.
You get the concept,
Hope says yes and Rage says no?
So you can just do?
The Rage thing?
And say no?
Anyways, moving on

And with Aranea saying Hope is stronger, switch to the ancestors and Mindfang is incredibly disappointed in Dualscar and isn’t challenged like their kismesitude demands. Even when he gets Redglare on her, Mindfang is just fine, regardless of what the Hope guy wanted.
Because it’s his false, unrealized hope.
Then you have Eridan who is, again, disappointing.
And Jake who is… also kind of disappointing.
Because they had unfulfilled hopes and dreams and had people put unhealthy faith in them, respectively.
Because, again, they had false hope or had false hope placed them, but when the time came it was raw and focused into blinding light.

I don’t get how manifestation of faith is just allowed to break rules and be the strongest. Eridan’s feats totally makes sense, he had a Hope weapon and believed fully in his single destiny. His feats were vaporizing a few things, not even fully killing one of them. Nothing is too big there, it’s perfectly inline as a power.

But then later with Jake you have Hope, known for hyper focused power and Page, known as a living weapon and you mix that into a guy who knocked Caliborn down. While that’s pretty dope, that’s not crazy broken.
But then, Aranea’s healing (ie, exploiting his pretty sweet classpect) is like taking a big gun and eliminating recoil and reload time, taking seemingly infinite energy and just pouring it outwards. Like it’s 900 times cooler and more interesting for Jake’s hopesplosion to be filed under shenanigans rather than just being stronger for really, no good reason in a game all about balance.

And you look at Hope with Dualscar, Eridan’s false hopes, everyone’s faith in Jake, and it works out perfectly to say that they are naturally shrouded in false hope, that hope fundamentally runs alongside that because not only does believing things make them more real, but magic is also fake as shit.

For Aranea to do what everyone else did and put faith in Hope’s strength, it makes the aspect just more… interesting.
She does what everyone else did. Put faith in Hope.
Like Hope is like some sort of bug zapper in a way, luring people in until things pop off with crazy hope powers. The difference is through shenanigans she boosted up the power.

It just makes more sense that way
- It makes Hope fair, keeping it consistent with Sburb’s struct sense of equality
- It gives Hope extra lore, about how Hope draws you in. About preconceived ideas and when they work out vs when they don’t


It makes all the false hope stuff part of the aspect and maintains classic Sburb balance and /that’s/ what actually makes it interesting.

It turns what is essentially a plot armor aspect into something more fluid and actually able to interact with things rather than clash.

And to keep talking about balance, I’m really not a fan of Hope being stronger because I’m fond of aspects equalling out. And Hope is the counter to Rage, so wtf is even the point for me and my friends? Especially when I’m a Rage player???
Those of us way too deep into classpecting can take that kiiind personally, like mooost of you guys did, almost assuredly because I run a very Rage-y blog and they run a very Hope-y blog. Step into a room where the other is an equal, only to find out, no, they aren’t?
And yet every other aspect pair is?
That just doesn’t sit well with me and I know you guys, totally Rage leaning if you follow me, didn’t take that so well either.
And you know what??? In general that feels reeeeally shitty. To know that someone through sheer virtue of their aspect can beat you up, simply because they think they can.
Like that’s really freaking harsh to hear if you take this stuff seriously.
So you know what you do?
You reject that fallacy. You know, the Rage thing to do. You know, the aspect counter to Hope.

And again, ultimately, I prefer to see Sburb mechanically more like a game while you are inside a session and it’s clear that the Sylph sees it more as narrative.
And that’s totally fine.
So to close this up and tear a page out from the Rage handbook, reject something and do something better instead. As both aspects are meant to teach, you decide how reality is shaped.
So decide for yourselves and don’t get so annoying about it to people. If you don’t agree (ie Hope) then disagree (ie Rage) and make something better.

Oh yeah, and symbolism.
Hope having all that procreation stuff going on. That’s aspect symbolism and interaction, so what?
Every aspect is part of the Genesis Frog.
Hope is needed for creation, achieving something. Hope has… yeah, a motif going on. Space has a maternal theme.
You get the idea.
But also, Life with food. Food, ie the grist hoards (grist looks like fruit gushers) are to nurture and fertilize the egg, Skaia.
Doom and order/fate. Doom has ties to fate, the meteors crashing down to end Skaia. The meteors have the ectobiology lab, which is where fate fuckery and genetic coding come into play. IE, Doom’s structure.
The red miles are clearly Blood. It’s hemorrhaging, aka internal bleeding.
Like every aspect places a part, I reeeally don’t see how Hope’s symbolism matters any more than the others

Oh yeah, and another thing.
Look past all of this for like two seconds.
A Sylph of Hope failed to impart seeds of Hope in this Rage garden that is my blog. As a result, thorns sprung up at her and instead of giving up, she did the Hope thing and doubled down and didn’t give in.
So, you know, if you reeeally care about classpects and actually see it as a way to understand people, take a look at all this nonsense and maaaybe chill the fuck out for like, two fucking seconds over the person only acting what is within their nature.

Anyways, stupid rant over and an actual conclusion

Hope is more interesting and fair if it ISN’T more powerful.
It would maintain Sburb’s need for equality as well as make it a lot more deep and complex, bringing up a lot of interesting questions about false hope, preconceived notions, and not just what it means to believe, but what it is actually worth when you dedicate yourself to a single goal.

It takes simplistic, dull, mary-sue feeling hope and turns it into philosophy about belief and dedication

Anyways, that’s pretty much all I have to say on the matter.