flawed doesn't mean bad

anonymous asked:

Hasn't there been enough of people calling Lenalee abusive? It's like everyone finds any reason they can to hate her. Allen, Kanda, and Lavi all act the same way she does and have the same amount of anger, if not more. Why is it okay for Lavi to break windows out of rage or for Kanda to hurt people but it's bad if Lenalee gets angry because a friend of hers basically tried to kill himself and she was worried about him?

I have never seen anyone call lenalee out for being abusive or just.. not being a good friend. She means good but she is not the kindest one all the time. I have indeed seen posts calling her out for crying too much only because she is a girl, in which I agree is just stupid because a girl can cry as much as guys can.

But if I have to be honest.. I have seen her (physically) lash out on the other 3 main guys much more, than the main 3 guys at the others in the whole series.

Lavi has indeed 1 time got very angry and smashed a window, but he did not hit her and immediately stopted yelling/calmed down when he noticed that everyone in the room looked at him. Other than that moment I don’t remember him getting angry or lashing out, most of the time when he does feel negative he stays silent.

Allen gets angry at times but doesn’t really lash out. For example he can be angry at Lavi for taking his food but doesn’t hit him or punches him so hard that Lavi can’t feel his body anymore. No he just pranks him back (like the wasabi scene in Gray Log). He does fight with Kanda, but that’s because he KNOWS that Kanda can take it, and Kanda doesn’t mind. Them fighting or sparring each other is the only real outlet they have without holding back. Yet they still respect each other and don’t cross each others boundaries.

Allen also NEVER gets angry at women, the only one time that he did was when he yelled at Lenalee for holding him back when the akuma was about to explode (their mission in Miranda’s town). Even after that Allen apologized for his behaviour yet Lenalee made such a big scene and said that his actions hurted her. She didn’t even brought him somewhere private to talk it out and even try asking him herself on WHY he wanted to save that exploding akuma? ‘’Why did you want to save it? We kill akuma’s so why trying to kill yourself for nothing?’’.. she never even tried to ask. She just made a whole scene in public and made Allen feel guilty for his action. 

Kanda is mostly all bark and barely bite. Which is a wonder because at the start of his life he always yelled at Alma and calls him out stuff but never punched him (except that one moment where they both fought each other until their limbs fell out). And later on he never hit/hurt or even yelled at Lenalee, from when she was a lil kid until now. Lenalee sees Kanda like his own brother. And you know how Lenalee handles her brother. She loves Komui but she doesn’t hold back kicking him so hard that he might get a concussion. And even though we have not seen her harm Kanda as much as Komui in the series, she does still hurt him, even if it is out of ‘’(sisterly) love’’.. and we know she doesn’t hold back against Kanda because she knows that Kanda is much stronger than Komui. He has accepted every punch and kick and yell from her but never harmed her himself. Kanda never really hurted people. Yes he pushed/shoved people away hard or yelled or even threaten them with Mugen. But he never hit or actually cut someone down. And he does fight with Allen, but just as I wrote above, he knows that Allen can take it and they both don’t have to hold back yet they still respect each other and give each other space when needed.

AND Lavi even calls Kanda ‘’Yuu’’ even though Kanda told him not to call him that a million times. Even then Kanda never really hurts Lavi for that, he only yells at him and threatens to cut him. And it’s a wonder that he never lashed out because of that, because his first name might even remember/trigger him too much of his past and he wants to leave his past behind. And speaking about his past, Kanda has also had a horrible one. Even worse than Lenalee. Yes she was kidnapped and taken by force. But she luckily has not been experimented on and she had protection of Jerry, the Matron, and probably even from other scientists and/or even finders, and got protection from Komui too when he joined the order. Kanda did not have someone to protect him. Yes Alma cared about him and tried to help as much as he could, and even some scientist cared about both Kanda and Alma.. but they also manipulated him and he was experimented on so horribly and so much. But even then. No one uses his past as an excuse for his bad behaviour. Even with all the horrible things Kanda went through, he still doesn’t hurt others. And he, and the fandom, never uses his horrible past as an excuse to hurt others or for it to be justified..

Yet for example down here we see canon material of how Lenalee is. Kanda did NOT want to model. If someone says no, it means no. Yet Lenalee is like a sister to Kanda and I know for sure that if she kept asking him to model a few times.. he would eventually say yes just so she will stop asking him. YET we see here that she obviously used such brute strength that it makes KANDA bleed from his mouth.. just to make Kanda do something he initially said no to. 

And I just don’t like this potrayel or ‘’girl power’’ or ‘’female empowerment’’ it’s not even ‘’cute’’.. it’s just horrible behaviour. There is a difference about comical relief and just straight up hurting someone so bad that they bleed and and have a hard time moving. And now imagine this. If Lenalee were a guy and Kanda a girl.. would this still be okay? Would this still be cute or ‘’sibling love’’? No people would lash out and say that male Lenalee is abusive to female Kanda. So why is the other way around fine? And also ask yourself this.. would you like or even accept to have a friend to hurt you so bad like this? Not really right..

And the other bad behaviour was when Allen was about to leave the order, Lenalee flew all the way to him and asked ‘’where are you going?’’ but when he said that he is going to leave .. she told him to stay? Like.. really? Did she really think that the order would accept him with open arms and be nice to him? No. They would call him out for treason and even tie and hold him in a much tighter and confined place where no one can ever reach him, or even (threaten to) kill him. She never really thought about that? She didn’t even say something like ‘’I respect you leaving and I understand.. but I can not follow you.. I can not leave my brother..’’. IF she atleast said something like that.. that’s just more realistic than begging him to stay for his death and then break down infront of him, in which he feels guilty about, and then ALLEN is comforting LENALEE. Allen is comforting Lenalee in a situation where Allen COULD DIE and tries to calm her down. And when he does leave she reaches for him and acts as if her whole world broke down. She didn’t even stand up and face him saying ‘’goodbye’’ and ‘’goodluck out there’’. No she just made Allen’s last memory of her a bad memory and this memory will fill Allen with guilt for leaving the order.

Even till now I have NEVER seen a posts about people calling Lenalee out for her bad behaviour or even called out her flaws. I have indeed seen people calling her a drama queen who cries waay too much (and even then you can see that they come from the kind of people who get annoyed at all female characters that cry) but even I find that stupid. Girls can cry as much as guys can and visa versa. 

But the whole fandom do call out all the male characters out on their flaws. Allen, Kanda, Lavi, Tyki, Link, Cross, Neah, Mana, and probably even more. And they STILL love them. They still love these characters and try to make content where they don’t ignore their flaws. They can bring out the best of them and also show their true flaws.

The only female character I have seen from the fandom calling out her flaws is Road, but even then they call her a sadistic demon who loves to hurt others, and even this is over the top. Indeed in the beginning of the series she seemed like that but over time you don’t see her like that anymore. The fan content has become much better of her WITH her flaws, yet some people still potray her as a sadistic demon who doesn’t care about others at all (in fics or art).

And even with Lenalee I have even seen people making fanart or even write fics normalizing Lenalee’s actual bad behaviour.. They accept her threatening her male friends (and never to her female friends) with kicks and hits or saying that if they don’t do as she says, that she will tell Komui that they did something to her or touched her inappropriately and that Komui WILL hurt them. AND EVEN THIS is not canon!? I don’t remember Lenalee saying something like this in canon yet some people make her worse by making her like this.

There are only a few rare fics that actually potrays Lenalee as a good character without making her lash out or threatening the guys with either her kicks/fists or with Komui.. but still show her flaws. I have seen content where Lenalee is more like a human being with actual flaws and not some kind of goddess. And that’s the Lenalee I like more. A girl who is nice but does have flaws but still tries to be a good friend and does NOT hurt someone with her kicks or fists.

I just don’t like the Lenalee that threatens to hurt someone of they don’t do as she says, in canon or fanon, and don’t even call her out for it. (Or even threatens the guys with Komui.. by saying that she will tell him that they touched her inappropriately?? Again.. I have never seen her do that in canon yet so many potray Lenalee like this) You can call out a characters flaws and still love them. So many people in our fandom love all the male characters and accept their flaws. They still make content of them in their best but also show their flaws and sometimes even portay them better than canon in a realistic way.

Why can’t people do the same with Lenalee? Don’t make her the softest and sweetest out of all of them, and then also make her the mother hen, and make her only cry and hurt the guys with her fists and call it ‘’though love’’ or even threaten them with Komui. But make her a realistic person who can be kind but can also make mistakes. Someone who might get angry too fast but then apologies after she noticed her behaviour AND that she was actually in the fault. Let her become angry and let her fight. But don’t make her genuinly hurt her own friends with her fists/kicks, and make them feel guilty by her tears, and say that she does that out of love.. There are a few rare Lenalee’s that fan artists/writers shows her more humanly and real without hurting her own friends and is even better than canon.

I understand that you might have gotten upset and thought that my reply on that question was hate.. but this was something that bothered me so much that it was ignored by both canon and the fandom. But sadly this is with a lot of main female characters. I have seen so many female characters who get angry so fast and hurt their own friends so bad.. yet media shows this as ‘’girl power’’ and ‘’female empowerment’’. This kind of behaviour has been added for comical relief and has been normalized in media with many other series and fandoms that I might not even know of. You can still call out a characters flaw and still love them and sometimes even make better fanon version of them than canon.

But I wish that canon would potray Lenalee much better instead of someone who gets angry too easily and hurts others too extremely. For either plot or comical relief. But I also wished that the fandom didn’t ignore her flaws and call her non-problematic. Lenalee does have much potentional. Yet we never seen any good plot or actual improvements of her. The only badass moment we got of her was when she was fighting the level3 akuma.. but after that she just.. mellowed down.. she promised that she will train and become stronger but we still haven’t seen any of that. And I don’t like it that Gray Log is trying to prove that she is actually doing something, when they don’t even show her trying to improve herself in canon/the manga. Show her actually training. Show her trying to find her way. Show her trying to do something for herself. Show her trying to get better and stronger. Show her as someone who tries to get better and notices her own mistakes and tries to fix them on her own.

uchihasavior  asked:

[[ i consider you a true sakura fan because you aren't willing to cover up her flaws or pretend they doesn't exist, and when she shows truly terrifying/bad behavior you dont' sugar coat it, you criticize her for it. admitting a character has flaws or makes bad choices doesn't make you "bitter" or "salty", it means you see past the idealized version of them for who they are, good and bad. ]]

Okay, people, I got to a computer and I can type better so BEHOLD!

I am going to write something I was due for a long long time now so your question comes just in the right time. 

First of all, thank you for your kind words! Now, what I want to get at…

First things first, one thing people need to remind themselves is that I was, am and still gonna be a Sakura Haruno fan FIRST, shipping SECOND!

Another thing people need to remember when telling me shit like “you’re not a true fan” or whatever, is the following: when I analyze a character, I do it from at least 3 angles: as a stand-alone character, in connections with others, and also from a development from point A to point B angle.

Now, bearing this in mind, let’s start.

People have this thing with saying that the reasons I do this aka criticize her is because I am a NaruSaku fan first. Nothing more wrong since: I am a Sakura fan first and second, don’t forget I come from a NH/SS background so I KNOW MY SHIT and there’s a reason I stopped shipping those two ships.

Some of these people absolutely loooove to pin the shipping thing because they know that if we take those aside, they’re fucked.

You want to tell me that I say these things because SS got canon and NS didn’t?

May I remind you about the very photoset I made a while ago and reblogged these days while thinking about wasted potential in Naruto and ways of how things could’ve been done better, which is SS btw, which could’ve been AT LEAST A STARTING POINT for SS into getting it ‘real’, at least speaking from a bare minimum point, aka this one:

12 years old Sakura was selfish, yes, I give you that, but she did have something to say in regards to this - I will talk more about it when I start continuing the Haruno Sakura: the character, the meaning, the hate series - however, it wasn’t her journey! She had something else to learn - but didn’t!

However, point is not this. Point is, that when people try and tell me that I say all these things because I’m bitter because of what happened to the ships, they couldn’t be more wrong as I can easily make abstraction of the ships, take out SS interaction threads in the manga that Kishi could’ve built on but DIDN’T or whatnot! Example? Look above you. That would’ve been a GREAT ONE!

But the point is that Kishi didn’t want.

Anyway, moving on.

I may have different opinions regarding different aspects of the story when it comes to Sakura, however, what’s there in our faces cannot be put aside and there’s a reason why a MAJORITY can agree over it. Because it’s THAT FUCKING IN YOUR GODDAMN FACE!

Does a wife that begs for a kiss from her husband look like a feminist icon to you? 

To me it doesn’t, and if people can’t take this well, move the fuck on. But don’t try to excuse it.

Trust me, I did it for such a long time unknowingly, in the hope that Kishi is actually writing something smart and going somewhere with it, that I know how it feels. 

I know how that urge to make something good out of something trashy feels. I FUCKING KNOW IT!

However, there’s a point, a limit to ALL of it. With me, it was The Last, as I always said. 

Kishi doesn’t write something smart, Kishi writes TRASH! And that includes Sakura. At this point they ARE ALL TRASH! If people think that I’m gonna exclude Sakura just because she’s my fave, they’re oh so wrong. On the contrary! I have HIGHER expectations from my faves. Just like a teacher has higher expectations from their faves. Why? BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN DO BETTER!

This feels like the Sakura vs. Karin argument I had in the past when I called on someone’s BS, can’t remember exactly whom atm, that put Karin down for being sexual but oh so praised Sakura, when at her 12 years old she had the desire to see Sasuke’s…ahem, you get it, and people started telling me I am not a Sakura fan. Lol bitch, really?

I am not a Sakura fan because I know her that well and point out that she, as well as Karin, had sexual desires but for some reason you taking Sakura out of the equation but trashing Karin, are?

Some of these people make me laugh, I swear. 

When I hold someone up or down, I hold them on the same principles. Same scale. 

Some tried to use Sakura’s age against me back then, that she was just 12, what did she know? Well, she knew enough for a 12 years old to know there’s a dick inside there (that she wanted to see), don’t you think, pardon my language? How’s that different then Karin expressing the same internal thoughts?

Just because I love Sakura, doesn’t mean I’ll just stand by and love her and keep promoting her that she’s perfect, has no flaws, etc etc.

NO! I won’t. And some people will have to deal with it. 

It’s because I love/d her dearly that I am this critical of her! It’s because I know or knew (since who tf knows nowadays with Kishimoto’s trash writing) her THAT WELL INSIDE OUT that I’m calling her trash. 

Current Sakura is trash compared to past Sakura or what she should’ve become if not for a misogynist  writer and popularity polls.

And if people are going to close their eyes to this reality, well, good for them.

But don’t they DARE tell me I am not a true Sakura fan or that I’m bitter just because I realistically point out some things that for some reason, bothers them.

I don’t care it bothers you. I will throwit at your face 2x times more if necessary, until you get it. That’s it if you insist on ‘dueling’ with me. If you can get past my opinions, I can very well do the same.

But for God’s sake, let’s accept that Sakura has flaws, shall we?

That was the very basic character trait of Sakura’s until it turned into something obsessive and stupid and apparently, addictive, as if Sasuke’s some kind of meth - in a world filled with perfect shinobi, an imperfect girl wanted to make more of herself and make the world a better place.

Instead all she ended being is a trash doormat and a baby machine.

Wow, such development, much not positive!

Like how long are people going to excuse Kishi’s trash writing just because the ships are canon?

WHAT ABOUT THE CHARACTER’S STAND-ALONE DEVELOPMENT?

anonymous asked:

I really hate how some people are like, 'you can't like a character if they have significant flaws!' Like, everyone has flaws? And some people's flaws are pretty bad, admittedly, but liking a fictional character doesn't mean you justify everything they do. Are we not allowed to like Isabel bc she's rowdy and bloodthirsty? Ed bc he shies from confrontation? Suzy bc she's Suzy? Johnny Defense Squad, basically.

yeah and like…. people change, man. characters get arcs. villains get redeemed. and also yeah what u said about how liking a character doesn’t mean you’re behind every bad thing they’ve done. i’ll still call bill cipher one of my favorite characters in gravity falls even though i talk about how much he sucks and how badly he’s hurt other characters i love all the time. and heck, FLOWEY became my favorite character in undertale even before i beat the pacifist ending. does that mean im ok with child abuse or mass murder? of course not! i feel like there’s been this thing lately of, being unable to accept characters as being multi-faceted and capable of having flaws, having done bad shit, and still being fundamentally good people…. it’s like human beings in real life, right? you can’t expect everyone to be perfect for their whole lives, especially not when they’re kids, that’s a ridiculous amount of pressure to put on someone. that’s what being human is all about, figuring out how to not suck when the world around us already sucks so much. i dunno. im tired. liking bad characters is ok.