fence sitters

Make a Date of It

Dean knew he’d never be with Cas. 

It was just too complicated.  Yeah, the younger hunting community did seem significantly more progressive than John’s old buddies, throwing around f slurs and laughing over beers, but Dean was in his thirties.  His late thirties.  

No one came out at this age, and if he did, he was sure they would think he was faking, having some bizarre mid-life sexual crisis or trying to get attention.  Moreover, he was a legend among hunters:  he didn’t want his going both ways to become the talk of the town, their variation of celebrity gossip, even if it wasn’t in a completely negative context.  

So he could never be with Cas.  It just wasn’t practical.  

Still, he couldn’t help but feel that familiar sense of longing as he watched Cas stitch up his trench coat, delicate fans of dark eyelashes over soft, tired bags and prominent cheekbones, stubble sprinkling his jaw.

Man, it would be great if Cas was human.  If Dean was just a normal guy who’d met him in a park or a grocery store, who could have worked out his sexuality in his teens or twenties like any normal fence-sitter, instead of worrying about his brother’s life or the damn apocalypse. 

Or even if it wasn’t, even if things were just as they were now, Dean couldn’t help but think how amazing it would be to hold him in his arms late at night while he slept, press his nose to that dark mess of hair and breath in the soapy smell of shampoo.  Maybe start to see a grey hair or two.

That was another pleasant thought:  Cas going grey, Cas the silver fox.  He’d always had a thing for mature guys, though he’d absolutely never admit it, and he was surprised to find the idea of getting old together with Cas a pleasant one.

But then, he’d blown his chance to have human Cas, hadn’t he?  Cas had been human once, been ready to settle down in the bunker for good, and Dean had kicked him to the curb.  He’d spent every day regretting it.

“Dean, are you okay?”

Dean blinked, remembering Sam was there.  He was sitting perpendicular to Dean at the long wooden table, open laptop and book of lore in front of him, looking at Dean with concerned, puppyish eyes.  

Even Cas paused in his mending the wounded sleeve, looking up to see what this latest drama could be.   

Dean cleared his throat.  “’Course I’m okay.  Why wouldn’t I be?”

“I dunno,” Sam shrugged.  “You’ve just been sort of spacing out for a really long time.  You looked kind of upset.”

“Bullshit,” Dean scoffed, a tad defensively.  “M’not upset.”

“I noticed, too,” Cas pointed out.  “But it’s been a rudimentary aspect of his personality since I’ve known him, so I generally elect to ignore it.”  There was a brief pause as Dean mustered a glower.  “If you’d like, I could read his mind…?”

No!”  Dean cried, horrified by the suggestion.  

Sam ran a palm over his face, clearly trying not to laugh.  Sadistic bastard.  “It’s fine, Cas.  I’m sure Dean is just…distracted.” 

Cas nodded hesitantly.  “Very well.  Let me know if this changes, Dean:  I should very much like to help.”

“Yeah, don’t count on it,” Dean muttered, pretending to go back to his laptop.  

God, Cas was a sweetheart.  Oblivious, but a sweetheart.  Dean could see now that all he’d ever wanted to do was help.  To help Dean.

So many missed opportunities, over the years they’d known each other.  So many times he’d noticed that mouth, full and chapped and supple, when he could have closed the gap between them and let the warmth consume him.  So many times he could have said something, anything, to convey to Cas how he felt. 

Dean froze suddenly as a realization dawned on him then:  if he could look back on moments five years ago that he could have told Cas how he felt but didn’t, five years from now, would he feel the same way?  Would he still be hooking up with the same sexually frustrated housewives that liked to boss him around the way he craved, or odd bull named Larry, only to come home feeling empty and full of regret?  Would he still be watching Cas from afar and wishing he’d said something, anything, to convey that he loved him as more than a friend?  To convey that he loved him at all? 

It’s too late, said that nagging little voice in his head.  Too complicated.  He isn’t even your species!  

Dean realized he didn’t care.  He’d spent his whole life watching people wait for some idyllic scenario to come along to show their loved ones how they felt:  John promising he’d give his boys the life they deserved after he got his precious revenge, Mary studiously avoiding them until she could mold their lives into what she’d envisioned for them over thirty years prior.  

Dean wasn’t going to repeat their mistakes.  He couldn’t.

Think of the hunters!  the voice persisted.  Do you really want them knowing you like guys? 

Dean scoffed inwardly.  At the end of the day, who fucking cares?  He’d met gay hunters before.  One of them was a goddamn witch.  The hunting community had changed a lot since he’d last been involved.

And yeah, he was sure there was still some homophobia lurking, but was he really gonna let that stop him?  Besides:  there might be some young hunter kid scared to come out of the closet, who might be inspired to if he knew Dean Winchester was bi.  

Dean could have really used someone like that when he was younger.

“Cas, do you wanna go get burgers?” 

Dean blurted the phrase out without thinking, causing both Sam and Cas looking up in surprise.  

Dean swallowed, suddenly feeling very awkward as silence hung thick in the air.  

“I mean…just if you want to, that is,” he added, rubbing the back of his neck self-consciously as he felt his ears grow hot.

Cas blinked.  “Certainly.  You know I love burgers, Dean.”

Dean stared at him, then chuckled awkwardly, not really processing that he’d just said yes.  “Yeah, that’s, uh.  Kinda why I asked.”

There was a long silence before Cas offered, “Shall we go now, or…?” 

Dean blinked, still in a haze as he registered the question.  “No no.  I mean, uh.  We can if you want to, but I was kinda thinking we could go tomorrow night.”  He swallowed, palm rubbing over his trachea.  “Y’know.  Make a date of it.” 

Dean chuckled awkwardly again as Cas’s eyes widened, expression unreadable.  He was peripherally aware of Sam’s comically baffled facial expression, eyes wide and mouth hanging open.  He looked as though if you poked him with your finger, he would fall over. 

Finally, Cas said quietly.  “I would love that, Dean.”

“…Great.”  Dean cleared his throat, nodding slowly.  A nervous smile spread over his face.  “Great!  Uh, tomorrow at eight, then?”

“That would be wonderful, Dean.”  

Dean had to resist the urge to giggle like a schoolgirl.  Everything about this was incredible.  The fact that he’d just asked Cas out on a date.  The fact that he’d said ‘yes.’  The way Cas said his name. 

Dean.  Dean.  Dean.  

Dean thought he could listen to that voice say his name forever and never get tired of it.

He and Cas sat there in mutually baffled silence for a moment or two longer, before Sam’s exhausted, relieved sigh broke the spell.

“Fucking finally.

anonymous asked:

I am a fence sitter & can explain most things away but some things I just can't!! 1) Jensen's expressions - he absolutely adores Jared!! 2) the handholding at MinnCon - whichever angle I look at it from why would Jensen continue to keep his hand like that!! 3) damn is he loveable - a fandom that thinks you are gay for each other and you say about your co-star that damn is he loveable!! Sounds smitten rather than bff! 4) Move to Austin with rumours - why 5 mins away? 5) sleep with one! Odd joke!

Hello, dear anon!

I know what you mean. There are many things I can’t explain away and you just mentioned the best of them. I’m feeling nostalgic, so how about we look at them a little?

1. “Jensen’s expressions - he absolutely adores Jared!!

Right? The sheer love and adoration in Jensen’s eyes moves me to my core. That is not how I look at my friends, not even the closest ones. How lucky they are to have each other!

2. “the handholding at MinnCon - whichever angle I look at it from why would Jensen continue to keep his hand like that!!

Originally posted by honey-chris

The fan says to Jensen that he’s her favourite and Jensen just sneaks his hand to hold Jared’s while he does the comedy elbows for the audience. I can’t tell you how much I love this moment. (Another angle)

3. “damn is he loveable - a fandom that thinks you are gay for each other and you say about your co-star that damn is he loveable!! Sounds smitten rather than bff!

What I see here is both of them being incredibly ballsy. Not only did they dare to share these videos, Jensen caption this kissy video like that as well. I can still hardly believe this actually happened. (My post here)

4. “Move to Austin with rumours - why 5 mins away?

You know how one sometimes gets the irresistable urge to respond with a vague “For reasons”? This is one of those moments. Just kidding! Of course there’s something to read on the matter. If you’re interested in some tinhatty views of how that came to be, look here. Here’s a little something as well.

5. “sleep with one! Odd joke!

(Gif by the invaluable @one-soul-two-brothers) Oh boy. This is the mother of all slip-ups! This is definitely difficult to explain away… Do you know what the non-believers are saying? That he responded on Jared’s behalf. *scratches head* Yeaaaahhh… I don’t know how that could be. (Posts: 1, 2, 3)

Anyway, thanks for reminding me of these great moments! If you need a pillow to make your fence a little more comfortable, you need only holler and I’ll bring you one. I hope you’re having a fabulous day!

Big Booty Better Thighs (Seventeen Headcanon)

(AN: I would like to start off by saying that this really isn’t a “most likely” situation. I feel that all of Seventeen are not anywhere near shallow enough to turn a girl down just because of her body type, even though they are teenage boys. They are teenage boys. Who are usually a lot more insecure than they come off, so they wouldn’t target any girls’ insecurities no matter what. That being said, I feel like you expected me to produce an answer here, so I decided to do this in the headcanon style and I hope you like it! <3 Also, very, very slight smut warning - I talk about sex but no explicit descriptors.)

(Part Two)  

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anonymous asked:

Why are you so sure that Taylor would cross 1.3M in sales? Miley and Demi failed to cross even 100k in equivalent points (not even pure sales). This week's biggest Shania won't top even 200k. Besides, the buzz for reputation has gone down by a lot! LWYMMD is falling fast and so is Ready For It. Hopefully Taylor will be back doing full on promotion Nov onwards but the dry state of things is reducing the chances of a bumper sale!

1. miley and demi arent even in the same league as taylor, no offense to them but its an improper comparison. Taylor can only be somewhat compared to basically 2 people in my book. beyonce and adele. neither of whom have an album out right now. so in essence, there is no one, no benchmark to compare her to in the current musical climate.

2. shania is country music with an entirely different target demographic and that is also not a apples to apples comparison

3. streaming disincentivizes album sales. All those albums are on streaming services, right? what incentive do people have to buy something if they get it for FREE? unless you’re a real fan of the person, most people don’t buy what they can easily consume for free.  

4. i have been steadfast in qualifying my statement that she will move more than 1M only if her album is withheld from streaming (singles excepted)

5. my mind isnt changed by where lwymmd is on the charts but the performance lwymmd had in terms of digital downloads and chart performance increases my confidence. #1 most bought song of the year? 3 wks at #1? not too shabby

6. dry state of things… ? its far too early to really push the album as much as it bores fans on tumblr.  there are 5 weeks to go to the big day. Fans are gonna buy the album anyway, they arent the real demographic you gotta really work to entice to buy the album, sorry to say. The fence sitters, the unsure-if-they’ll-buy-and-need-to-be-convinced pop-listening gp is that demo and the gp isnt gonna run down and buy an album or download one if you have been shoving that artist in their face for five weeks and they’re tired of them. 2017 is much different than 2014. Dont hang the cookie in front of people’s faces and then tell em they cant have it for a month. We live in a now-now-now society. People are impatient and have short attention spans these days. This sentiment was a major component of Adele’s marketing plan for 25 (she spoke of it herself specifically) and it was largely successful (although yes, adele is not a perfect comparison either, but we dont have much to compare to that is even close). 

expect more dollars and time to be spent on encouraging album sales when we are closer to the drop date. 

and as i have been saying, any extremely effective advertising plan isn’t going to mimic what everyone else is doing and isn’t going to entirely repeat what was done before or what used to be effective. Fresh and innovative strategies (sometimes combined with proven methods) are attention-catchers and convincing. Deleting all her social media? Definitely an attention catcher, e.g. Face all over UPS? who else does that? music video-  more traditional strategy. 

Taylor showed that type of outside-the-box thinking with 1989 and she is showing it now.  i feel confident that she will continue to epitomize that, with reputation.

7. hope and realistic optimism are wonderful things to have.

don’t be fooled one bit by Independents saying DEMOCRATS need them….

NO We Don’t, our democratic candidates will always win in blue states without the majority of them supporting them and depending on the red states, there too.  It’s Independents who have no representation, and idiotically, by their own choice.  I’m tired of having to compromise to these fence sitters just to earn their support and votes and then in the end on election day, they say screw us and go to the side that screws them.  Then these centrist stand for nothings have the audacity to come back and blame the Democrats that they refused to even support.

The Independent Voter, especially the ones who are now affected by their own stupidity, NEEDS US MORE THAN EVER and more than we need their support or votes…..So, we can choose to help them, like we help most others who have been kicked to the curb by the GOP or we can kick them to the curb too.  Either way, If those bystanders, fence sitters, centrist Independents want any of us to fight their battles for them anymore (disgusting that they are the majority and can’t fight their own battles), they will have to take 2-3 steps to the left, but I would suggest they take leaps instead, to catch up to the decades they skipped.

Sex, Religion, Politics

Tell me–

did you fuck someone last night?
Cum hard in some girl (or guy–
no judgment here)?

Have you heard the word
of Jesus Christ? Bomb shit
for the Prince of Peace?

Are you left, right, or
mugwump, fence-sitter, center?
Ass or elephant?

Tell me about the things
that matter–the gooshy bits.

All the things that we know
(we know, oh god, we know)

are too moist
for polite conversation.

– S. E. De Haven (SnuffyArt)

What did you think?

anonymous asked:

You can be a fence sitter and still think some of the shippers say ridiculous things and act in ridiculous ways. You yourself have rolled your fence-sitter eyes at some of the antics in the fandom.

Point of order, I do not reserve judgmental eye rolling for any specific identity group. I pass judgement indiscriminately on any and all self righteous fucktards who believe themselves to be in charge of all humanity regardless of race, gender, religion, IQ score, mental stability, or predilection for indecision on matters of frivolity. Also, I am impatient and compassionless when it comes to stupidity.

Carry on with your fence sitting dear, but do understand it is not a mark of one’s superior character. 😉

anonymous asked:

A newbie and fence sitter here. If shippers believe S&C are together in real life, why are they anxious about or bothered by MM sightings or the possibility of S&MM dating?

Because if A (S&C together for real) and B (MM sightings near Sam or fake dates) are opposite scenarios and B keeps happening it ruins a chance of A being revealed or coming out. As long as someone keeps pursuing the narrative and/or impossing it on them (games being played, etc) we can’t have them admiting to being together. The anxious or bothered doesn’t come from feeling threatened in our beliefs but from the imposibility of having them confirmed anytime soon. At least this is how I see it. 

How many?

lie in wait within

there’s the fella said hello

to the postman

not the same as said hi

to the neighbor

or the one

hanging out with the writers

poets, bikers, beekeepers

teachers, lecturers, crammers, tutors

jam makers, gardeners

counselors, therapists, the rapists

cyclists, drivers, fathers

bank robbers, kite flyers, lean over men

brothers, uncles, nephews

second storey men, grifters, flim flam’ers

sons, grandsons

droppers, floppers, copiers, dips

archers, canoeists, walkers

tweakers, freakers, acid heads, 420’s

hikers, climbers, sit downers

stoners, tokers, boners, late night groaners

drinkers, imbibers, drunks, tramps

criers into beer, no fear speed freaks

thieves, disabled, abled, other

surfers, beach bums, café ghosts

gays, bisexuals, trysexuals

transvestites, hermaphrodites

potters, sculptors, builders

transgender, agenders, zhe others

flaneurs, loafers, laters’, chronic masturbators

alt left, alt right, fence sitters

pole sitters, shitters on all/anything

libtards, fucktards, pepe freaks

meme lords, shit post lords

whovians, trekkies, starians

browncoats, clankies,


& the steam goes out on this

how many lie within?

the only answer

must always be

as ever

how much time do you have

& how well do you spend it?

neil benbow

anonymous asked:

I am GOBSMACKED by that blue wall! I consider myself a fence sitter not because I don’t see everything that everyone else sees but I just have a hard time believing two mature people wld go thru all these machinations to hide a beautiful relationship. But that wall truly has me teetering. Lol


THE PATH FORWARD: We NSTs need to work together and not be divided; and I need to dial back my involvement in the fan feud

I’m exhausted by what has happened the last few days  but I want to clarify a few things before I move on.

My concern in addressing what happened with Purv in my previous post had nothing to do with the photos and photo attribution. That argument was ridiculous on both sides and wouldn’t have happened if we hadn’t already been at odds. Purv believes in correct photo attribution and in the past has been upset when people have posted her photos without her permission or proper attribution. That is why she watermarks her important photos now. I’m sure if we had not been quarreling none of this would have happened and we would have successfully handled it in direct DM with each other without incident.

My concern is that she made the private, mediated communication (or more accurately, the miscommunication) we had public. She also made our overall feud public and let it be known that she blocked me. This is no small thing. We are arguably the two major NST bloggers. It is the equivalent of Puff and Jess making their quarrel public.

When that happened in Shipperville it split the entire community.

I don’t want that to happen here.

Purv is a valuable player in this community. I had hoped that in time we would both cool off and unblock each other and civilly be allies. I assumed we would avoid communicating through chat unless it was absolutely necessary, and therefore keep the peace.  

Perhaps unrealistically, I still have some hope for that. I don’t want to be at odds with Purv. We are on the same “team” and it is not helpful for us to be squabbling. 

I wish her well in what she does but I just don’t want it to become a common practice in our community for our private differences to be made public. It is inevitable that in any group there will be squabblng. A number of us have been worn down over the years by the frequent harassment by certain ES. That can contribute to irritability that can be played out with each other.

My Way Forward

I’m getting close to being done with the whole fan feud anyway. The hardcore ES will never change. There is no way to get through to these folks so why bother?

I almost no longer even care about the ES trolls, especially after the “Tasmanian devil troll” appeared with her multiple sock accounts. I honestly think that if Sam and MacKenzie are concerned about this, they need to take serious steps through blocking and possibly working with a cyber security firm to shut these trolls down. It is their choice whether or not they want to do so. I will still report the worst trolls, but I just can’t get outraged by every new troll that comes along.

I will probably always provide information that supports the reality of Sam’s and Cait’s lives and will do so mostly for the newbie fans, the fence sitters and the questionning shippers.

Ironically, part of why I never got in too deep with shipping was actually because of Purv. 

After a few weeks of shipping, I stopped paying attention to the dire shipper warnings about Purv and went to her twitter account. I read what she had to say. A lot of it made sense. So I always kept one foot on land–keeping the possibility open that I was wrong and Sam and Cait weren’t a couple. That’s why when my ship hit its final iceberg and went down, I wasn’t devastated.

So I will continue to be here for the newbie fans and the waivering shippers to provide a place to help them not get too lost at sea. I enjoy keeping the “receipts” post up to date as well as the posts with photos of Sam and MacKenzie and Cait and Tony. I occasionally enjoy debunking a ridiculous ES “receipt” like Mr. Lemon or the FauxHead Sam in Paris.

I think those are my strengths that I can contribute to the NST community and they are much less emotionally draining than the call outs.  

As NSTs we need to work together. This is too small a community to be arguing publicly with each other. Each blogger should be free to play to their strengths. We might not always agree with each other or even like each other but we are a community. Let’s try to be civil to each other publicly and work together.

In a few weeks when things cool off I will unblock Purv and some of the others I have blocked. If they want to reblog my posts fine as long as they stay civil. We’ll see how things go from there.


anonymous asked:

A fence-sitter for about a year here. Love reading shipper blogs, but was shocked by some shippers' negative comments on DG the past two days. I'm not particularly a DG fan, but don't think she deserves this. SC are playing characters in the show. They're ACTING in the show, and sometimes they have to act to the camera without other actors' presence. Looks like more and more shippers are mixing up fiction and reality. Can we blame SC when they say they are bothered by this?

Ya know, I’ve been sitting here for a good bit trying to come up with an approach to answering this. Jackass, non jackass, erudite quote, no quote, subject change, tinhat story…. finally I realized that clearly my indecision is due to a complete and utter lack of fucks.

Is DG a tw troll or not? Don’t give an actual fuck.

Does DG despise shippers? No fucks off my back, if so.

Does it make any difference to me if Sam was looking at “Claire” or merely pretending to look at “Claire” in that scene or any other? Not a shit’s bit.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah….. blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh

BTW, yesterday I found myself trapped in a waiting room without a book to read and SM was getting on my nerves, so I resorted to reading a Marie Claire that was handy. Turns out it’s really quite a challenge to find actual words in that publication as it’s mostly just pictures of weird clothes and freaky makeup and hair. I did manage, eventually, to find an interesting piece about Paris Hilton. Yes. I read an interview with Paris Hilton and ya know what? It was far more interesting and honest and genuine than the one Sarah Silverman did with her bff Emma Stone. I shit you not. Draw your own conclusions. 😉

PS:“SC are playing characters in the show. They’re ACTING in the show, and sometimes they have to act to the camera without other actors’ presence. Looks like more and more shippers are mixing up fiction and reality. Can we blame SC when they say they are bothered by this?” Fence sitter my ASS! 🔪

anonymous asked:

Do you think the 'wild Houis uprising' was because people somehow began to believe Blind Gossip? (Even though we all know they've contradicted themselves on larry more times than anyone can count including claiming theyre both str8?) Or do you think the 2 things were coordinated? I mean cd both be an OT push to finish off Larry fandom by blaming L for the stunts not Simon? The blind, RLawson and Houies make Harry blameless so a seductive narrative for tired harry larries. OT must be cheering.

yeah this is pure speculation but i get the sense the blind gossip post was the beginning of a calculated attack on the fandom and on people bts.

i think they know at this point that those of us who are still here can never unsee louis and harry being in a relationship (and the same goes for industry people who have seen too many things or heard too many rumours over the years to ever believe louis and harry weren’t actually a thing) so they decided to go the houis route and give the doubters and the fence sitters a third option; rather than just being forced between choosing the all option (larry is real/the stunts are fake/simon is the devil) or the nothing option (everything we’ve been told is true there are no stunts louis and harry are both straight) there’s now a middle ground (louis and harry were together but louis suffers from internalized homophobia and chose the closet over coming out hence why the stunts are so obviously not real).

i think 1dhq knows there’s no way the really vocal fans or the ones who are very secure in their opinions are going to leave so they’re focusing on picking off the weaker larries (i.e. the people who’ve never really had a particular fondness for louis or who never really viewed him as anything more than a prop for harry) because they would be the easiest ones to sell this new narrative to (and these fans often so far up harry’s ass they completely ignore everything louis’ done to push against his own closet too because they equate his stunts with him wanting to be closeted [the double standard there is infuriating but anyway]).

i also think that simon and his people are whispering in people’s ears bts to try and spread that particular rumour as being ‘the truth’ as well (much like they used to do with gryles rumours).

Can We Have Our Community Back, Now?

So, I’ve generally been avoiding the subject since it came up earlier this year, but there’s been some stuff going on with what’s left of kemetic tumblr in the last week or so that’s really been bothering me.  It has to do with community policing and the kemeticcallouts blog.  Behind the break, you don’t have to read it if you don’t want to.  It’s kind of me venting.  I probably shouldn’t even post this.

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anonymous asked:

"You can be a fence sitter and still think some of the shippers say ridiculous things and act in ridiculous ways." What about to call a Miami hotel to ask if Sam was there with a certain woman? Photoshop your own head over Cait's head? Photoshop Sam's head over another's man head? Meet S on a plane and keep staring at his face during the whole flight? Keep asking S for personal excuses because he didn't attend a Con you bought tickets? Talk about his dirty underwear? Or the size of his dick?

Originally posted by nansgifs