evil sansa

  • Sansa: Tries to warn Jon about making the same mistakes as Ned and Robb
  • Sansa: Tries to keep Jon from leaving
  • Sansa: Pines for Jon once he leaves
  • Sansa: Greets her returning siblings with unconditional love and understanding, tries to understand their lives while also making no demands of them.
  • Sansa: Uses her powers as regent to make sure her people are properly fed and armed
  • Sansa: Consistently tells Baelish to go away
  • Sansa: Passes up and rebuffs every opportunity to usurp/betray Jon.
  • Sansa: Acts frustrated and angry over the offers made to her to usurp Jon, part of her frustration being that she warned Jon this would happen if she left.
  • Bran: Waxes on about how hot Sansa looked the night she was raped
  • Sansa: Warns her siblings about Littlefinger when she finds out that LF gave Bran a dagger
  • Arya: Tells Sansa she ought to have beheaded men for criticizing Jon
  • Sansa: Explains why that is a bad idea
  • Arya: Implies Sansa's a traitor and that she wants to betray Jon and is a materialistic monster even after witnessing her sister both rebuff the offer and act genuinely upset by the offer to usurp Jon.
  • Arya: Decides to try and spy on Littlefinger, finds note Littlefinger wants her to find and immediately jumps to holding the letter against her sister without even considering the idea that if Sansa wanted to repress such a thing for being incriminting, then LF wouldn't have let it be found and would have simply destroyed it.
  • Arya: Blames Sansa for their father's death, threatens to "expose" Sansa for "doing Lannister bidding" while Sansa was a hostage (conveniently ignoring how a) she witnessed Sansa try to run to help Ned at his execution and b) how she was bonding with and serving Tywin Lannister his drinks and ignoring the not one, not two, but three opportunities she had to kill him), thus potentially destroying Sansa's regency (and, by extension, all the measures Sansa's taken to protect and serve the North) and even potentially getting Sansa killed (what with this "exposure" of Sansa's letter putting Sansa on the defensive, which could/would quite easily lead to her being called a traitor, and even be arrested/executed for her "treason"), trying to use Lyanna "Never been a hostage or been in any legitimate danger ever" Mormont as an argument as to why Sansa is a "traitor". Basically threatening to vilify Sansa in front of the very people she (and, by extension, Jon) needs to keep the North from perishing and calling her a traitor (a charge which, once again, could easily lead to Sansa being unjustly executed for her "treason").
  • Sansa: Defends herself, tries to explain her situation, tries to tell Arya that this is exactly what their enemies want, and when that doesn't work, points out that she's the reason that they have Winterfell again,
  • Sansa: Is afraid of Arya making good on her threats and the catastrophes that can cause. Hears Littlefinger suggest that she employ Brienne's aid to "intercede when one Stark sister endangers another" and soon after receives a "summons" to King's Landing to attend a parlay over a matter she knows nothing about because Jon hasn't written to her in weeks.
  • Sansa: Sends Brienne, the only person left in Winterfell that she can trust, to KL.
  • Sansa: Takes no action against Arya except to try and find her "evidence" in her rooms so that Arya can't potentially destroy everything Sansa has worked for since retaking Winterfell and endanger Sansa's life. Does this on her own, even though she could easily have Arya seized, have her own men search Arya's room, etc. Instead does this in a way least likely to endanger her sister.
  • Sansa: In fear, mentions that she does, indeed have men that would protect her from her sister, who she knows is capable of killing people (and who also has apparently been collecting human faces).
  • Arya: Mentions that these men who would protect her aren't currently present. Once again accuses Sansa of trying to betray Jon. Moves towards Sansa brandishing a dagger talking about killing, taking peoples' faces, and how easily she could take Sansa's face and her life. Gives Sansa the dagger at the last minute.
  • Sansa: Acts afraid and confused.
  • Fandom: GO ARYA! Sansa IS totally evil and deserves the shitty treatment from her siblings because of what she's TOTALLY going to do, which we know she'll do because of two ambiguous expressions (despite actual actions on her part which contradict our interpretations of said ambiguous looks) and that her siblings treat her like shit (because of what she'll do, she deserves it, which is not a circular argument at all)! ARYA IS SO RIGHT AND IS THE VICTIM HERE! IT IS SANSA WHO IS BEING TRICKED BY LITTLEFINGER AND IS TRYING TO DESTROY HER SISTER! LOOK AT THE THINGS SHE SAYS IN HER OWN DEFENSE! POOR ARYA, BEING SO UNDER THREAT FROM HER SISTER'S SELF DEFENSE! SANSA IS SO EVIL AND WEAK AND ARYA IS RIGHT ABOUT WHAT A FAILURE SANSA IS AND HOW SHE BETRAYED EVERYONE BECAUSE SHE TOTALLY DIDN'T ACT HOW ARYA AND LYANNA WOULD HAVE IN HER SITUATION (WHICH TOTALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER AND AMAZING AND BADASS AND SAVED EVERYONE). OMG, HER POINT ABOUT LYANNA MORMONT, WHO HAS LITERALLY NEVER BEEN ANYWHERE SOUTH OF WINTERFELL, HAS SPENT HER ENTIRE LIFE SURROUNDED BY FRIENDS, FAMILY, AND SUBJECTS, AND HAD POWER HANDED TO HER BY ACCIDENT OF BIRTH AND HAS LITERALLY NEVER HAD TO FACE A SITUATION WHERE COMPLIANCE COULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HER OWN LIFE AND THAT OF HER FAMILY, WAS SO GOOD! BECAUSE ARYA AND LYANNA ARE BETTER AND WOULD HAVE THRIVED BETTER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WEAK LIKE SANSA!!! SANSA IS TOTALLY TRYING TO DESTROY ARYA AND JON, EVEN THOUGH SHE'S DONE NO SUCH THING THUS FAR DESPITE THE MULTITUDE OF OPPORTUNITIES SHE'S HAD. THIS IS ALL HER FAULT AND SHE DESERVES TO BE VICTIM-BLAMED AND ACCUSED OF THINGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY ABSURD AND IN DIRECT CONTRAST TO EVERYTHING SHE'S ACTUALLY DONE! SHE DESERVES TO BE TREATED LIKE SHIT AND HAS NO BUSINESS SPEAKING/ACTING IN HER OWN DEFENSE BECAUSE THAT'S JUST EVIL! SANSA ALWAYS DESERVES CRUELTY, ESPECIALLY FROM ARYA! ARYA'S BEHAVIOR TOWARDS HER SISTER IS MORE PROOF OF SANSA'S FAILINGS BECAUSE SANSA IS EVIL AND ARYA IS ALWAYS GREAT AND IS STRONG UNLIKE HER EVIL, WEAK, SISTER!!!! I'M SO GLAD ARYA IS PUTTING SANSA IN HER PLACE! SANSA DESERVES TO BE TREATED LIKE GARBAGE AND ARYA IS RIGHT TO DO SO!!!! HOORAY!!! THIS IS ALL ABOUT WHAT SANSA IS DOING WRONG!
unreal...

daenerys: has a little girl tortured in front of her father, author agrees with an essay talking about how she’s going dark, uses her dragons to control and terrorize people into obeying, is basically a white savior trope, gives people the justice she thinks they deserve (sound like a certain mad king???), “who is innocent? maybe all of you are” kills everybody anyway

people: FAVE! kahleesi queen of my heart <3 can do no wrong, perfect precious bae, is perfect and has no flaws, so feminist

sansa: i learned some things from cersei (and now i’m trying to use that to help you john so how bout you listen up a little for fuck’s sake??)

people: sansa is evill;;; the new mad queen, hisss, pure unadulterated traiitor who will turn on her family and turn into cersei, baddd

Daenerys Targaryen &Sansa Stark - Evil Queens & Good Queens and The Power of Narrative

In a media studies class, a professor of mine told me – The audience should look for what they are NOT showing. That would tell the audience what the creators are manipulating you to think.

This is the power of narrative.

The Loot Train Attack:

So, the moment I knew Ed Sheeran was going to cameo as a Lannister soldier, I knew that it was to portray the “dark side of Daenerys Targaryen”. It was a deliberate choice of D&D and showrunners – a humanising of Lannister soldiers was set up throughout the season, which will culminate in The Loot Train Attack.

If you observe the Loot Train Attack scene carefully, you can literally hear a Lannister soldier breath out in fear, right before Daenerys says “Dracarys” and Drogon burns the soldiers of the army. There is a slow-motion montage of Lannister soldiers burning as Jaime looks on in fear. If you listen carefully, there is also a slower sadder version of ‘Rains of Castamere’ (a Lannister song) playing in the background as you see these images. The use of Daenerys’s themes – either Mhysa or Dracarys or Fire and Blood – is very rare (only when Drogon is breathing fire the first time, the spiralling tune of Dracarys is heard). This downplays the feeling of “glory” that the music made you feel whenever Dany was fighting earlier (in Astapor, the Dragon Pit or Battle of Mereen).

So, I understand why the fans are feeling this way – they were manipulated into feeling so.

What we are not shown:

Let’s heed my professor and try to figure out – what isn’t the creators showing you?

The creators didn’t show the aspirations of the Dothraki or their interpersonal relationships and what they are putting at stake while fighting the war for Daenerys (a sharp contrast to season 1 & 2, when we could name her bloodriders by name). The creators didn’t show the personal relationships of the Unsullied and their lives, how dearly they want to fight for Daenerys because they think she is a good ruler. (instead we get a slight lip service from Tyrion about how Unsullied fight for freedom, and we are shown the personal life of Grey Worm only, who isn’t in any danger so far). The creators didn’t show Frey bannermen who detested the Red Wedding, but don’t want to be traitors and were serving the Freys, when Arya Stark killed the Freys. The creators didn’t show Lannister men being savaged by Grey Wind (Robb Stark’s Direwolf) when he went for battle. But maybe brutality isn’t the sin but rather burning people is.

Battle of Blackwater and its parallels to Loot Train Attack:

I find it curious that fans who are upset by soldiers burning seem to gloss over or forget the Battle of Blackwater Bay. We see a sudden explosion of wildfire, and some images of Baratheon soldiers burning, but they are generally cut with Tyrion’s slightly regretful yet triumphant face. There is no slow-motion montage while some sad music plays in the background, instead you have silence aas the explosions go on. The Baratheon soldiers weren’t humanised or given backstories three episodes prior. While Stannis does look at his men burning, he is shown as resolute rather than devastated and when someone remarks that hundreds of men will die, Stannis replies “thousands will die”. None of this makes us sympathise with Stannis or his soldiers. Furthermore, during the battle the Lannister theme is playing triumphantly in the background (helping us feel Lannister glory and subtly making us root for them). Cersei Lannister is shown with Tommen – fearful and with poison in her hand, telling him stories (deeply humanising Cersei and the Lannisters). Finally, the battle ends with the triumphant march of Tywin Lannister into Kings Landing with an upbeat glorious ‘Rains of Castamere’ playing in the background. Hence, the Lannisters are the one we subconsciously start rooting for. Because you do not see the fear, horror and aspirations of Baratheon men who were fighting for the rightful King, Stannis Baratheon (who is not only the true successor of Robert Baratheon but who is also regarded as a dutiful and just ruler) and fighting against Joffrey Baratheon (who is not the rightful successor and is in fact a psychopathic monster, a fact which Tyrion knows).

In both terms of birthright and who will be good for the overall kingdom – Stannis Baratheon rings true (as opposed to Joffrey Baratheon). Tyrion, who knows these facts, burns men alive without warning using wildfire. Yet the audience just thinks that Tyrion is a clever strategist and root for him (because of the way it was shot and shown). There are no discussions on how Tyrion is evil for burning innocent men.

So? What is wrong with this? The show’s creators want to support certain characters, it is not a crime.

Narrative and its power:


However, when the show’s narrative actively tries to metaphorically “whitewash” male characters (who have unquestionably made some very grey decisions) and “blackwash (?)” female characters it seems a bit shoddy. For example, Jorah Mormont is metaphorically whitewashed so much in the show he might as well be Ser Arthur Dayne or Ser Barristan Selmy; and it is often done at the cost of Daenerys. Similarly, Tyrion is portrayed in the best possible light and many of his vices are ignored and not portrayed. It seems that the narrative power seems to work for many of the good male characters and the same is used to work against the good female characters.

It is not just Daenerys that this is foisted upon. EvenSansa Stark was made into a Dark and Gritty™ character who may or may not be plotting against Jon Snow. Many of my friends argued that it is to empower her character or make her into a complex character, without realising that Sansa Stark is already a complex, flawed and good character – there isn’t a need to make her into one. Sansa Stark doesn’t need to be forged into the Strong Female Character™ narrative, she already is one. Others argue that it is to create a sense of suspense and narrative tension that this was done – “Will Sansa Stark betray Jon Snow and take power for herself? Will Daenerys Targaryen turn into an evil queen?” The show would later clarify that the answer is “NO”, that both Dany & Sansa were Good Girls After All™, and it will keep viewers interested.

What we are not shown : The Narrative of Suspicion for Male Characters

To these people, I ask – why isn’t there a similar ‘Will the character turn bad/evil narrative tension for any of the main male characters’? Why isn’t there a narrative tension making viewers wonder whether Jon Snow will turn against the Starks and claim Winterfell for himself? Or Tyrion? (Jon Snow and Tyrion are two of the “good male characters” loved by fans.) In fact, it would make more sense to add narrative tension in Tyrion’s storyline. Tyrion who is a cunning character, has been loyal to Daenerys for only 2 seasons, and Targaryens are his family’s enemies. Furthermore, he has the cunning, ambition and knows enough about the lords of Westeros that he can even claim the Iron Throne if he tries hard enough and is ruthless enough. Or what about Tyrion’s deep-seated ambition and fascination with dragons? He is already able to talk to and interact with the dragons to an extent. Why not have narrative tension by Tyrion bonding with one of the dragons and even riding it (further giving him opportunity and power to oppose Daenerys?) They could to make viewers guess – will Tyrion betray Dany? (which I think gives it more narrative tension). Later the show can clarify that the answer is “NO” and ensure the fans that he is a Good Guy After All™.

Why doesn’t this happen? Because it would be out of character? It is equally out of character for Sansa Stark (and Dany) to do so.

It is only a female character, who is generally considered ‘good’ (and if unchecked, a character who may become a fan-favourite), who has the ambition (Dany always wanted to be a queen, Sansa always wanted to be a princess/lady) and has the power (either by birthright or by military power) to depose a main male character (Jon or Tyrion) who will be “blackwashed”.

Hence, this is the reason narrative tension is not present for Cersei Lannister (there is a sudden explosion, but NO slow-motion montage of people burning and crying out when she burns the sept, all the while sad music plays in the background). There is no need as the fandom has already decided that Cersei is Categorically Evil and she doesn’t have the birthright or military to hold onto power for long. The show can save the montage to sully another female character who has a high chance of acquiring power.

Neither is it present for Arya Stark (there is no humanising of the Freys and all those she has killed are shown as evil or mean people). Mostly because Arya Stark never wanted to be a lady/princess and would sooner be a solitary knight than be in a position of commanding power.

I find it very interesting that the “grey decisions” of female characters who are good, have power and have ambition is portrayed in the worst possible light in the show; whereas the “grey decisions” of anyone who doesn’t fit that description (especially male characters) is portrayed in the best possible light (with glorious music playing in the background).

The power of narrative – if it can turn Rhaegar Targaryen into a loathsome villain – it will do far worse to the heroines of A Song of Ice and Fire.


PS: This is not a criticism of any of the characters rather an insight into how situations are portrayed so that the general audience will always support the male characters while fighting over which female character is evil.

PPS: Part 2:They did it again with Stark sisters and it is AWFUL!!

anonymous asked:

I noticed in Jamie's converstation with Dickon he mentions how Lady Olenna and her men had to die because they chose to support Daenerys. So I don't know how people can start calling Dany mad or brutal when she's using the same tactic as Jamie and no one is calling him brutal. She only kills the Tarlys when they refuse to pledge allegiance after already betraying one of her allies and indirectly betraying her, just like why Jamie killed Lady Olenna.

Yep, let’s just lay this to rest right now. 

Dany initially wants to travel to the Red Keep with her dragons because Cersei is winning and doing so in a way that is anything but peaceful. 

Jon appeals to Dany’s mercy and goodness and she chooses to bring ONLY ONE dragon to meet the Lannister troops in battle instead of going to a city full of civilians. I have already seen several people calling these Lannister troops “innocent.”

I’m sorry but the attitude on tumblr is getting out of hand. I know we all want to apply our ideals and feelings about social justice in our lives but we can’t apply them to Game of Thrones. This is a war. People are going to die. I didn’t see any of you crying out or calling Jon or Sansa evil for killing Umbers, Karstarks, and Boltons in 6.09. I didn’t see any of you criticizing Sansa for playing her cards close to the chest which unfortunately resulted in the death of many, possibly thousands, of wildlings.

She played it smart to win. That’s what Dany is doing.

Please have some perspective, fandom. The men that Dany attacks in the Field of Fire are men who just butchered the entirety of the Tyrell forces. They sacked Highgarden. And before Jaime even knew that Olenna killed Joffrey, he poisoned her. He murdered a defenseless, elderly woman in cold blood. But I am seeing people calling him a hero and a savior and calling Daenerys a tyrant and a villain.

The other thing I want to clear up. I am sure that some “supplies” were destroyed by Drogon’s fire. But earlier in the episode Tyrion tried to comfort Dany with the knowledge that she still had the largest army and she said it didn’t matter because her army needed food. So I don’t believe for a second that she then turned around and purposely burned that food.

And to anyone waiting to say that it’s worse because fire is a bad way to die, I don’t really care??? How is this so much worse than being trampled to death under a mountain of bodies in BotB? More importantly, what do you guys want to happen? Do you want a show in which dragons are a centerpiece of the plot and one of the coolest and only high fantasy aspects of the narrative to IGNORE those dragons? Do you want them to just be an aesthetic decoration flying in circles over Dragonstone? Of course Dany is going to use them. 

To be clear, I do think Jaime’s actions in 7.04 are heroic. But I don’t think that makes Dany a villain for being his adversary. Game of Thrones is all about grey morality. There are redeeming aspects to both of them. So please stop dragging the woman through the coals for doing what everyone else in the show, good AND bad guys, have been doing for years. 

Ok so obviously it’s not going to happen but I reallyyyyyy want a happy sweet Arya reunion with Sansa? They’ve both been so alone, and had such horrible experiences, and lost so much… I want them to be genuinely thrilled to have each other back. I don’t want weird angst and tension between them held over from childhood. I want a run into each other’s arms reunion. I want Sansa hearing all about Arya’s travels and being horrified but also proud that she survived and became even stronger. I want Arya to be disgusted and outraged with the ways Sansa was been abused and manipulated, but also surprised and proud that her sister survived it all and managed to come out on top (and maybe a little sad that Sansa had lost that romanticism and idealism). They’ve both changed so much, and matured so much, that I don’t need to see them constantly clashing or being unable to understand each other. I just want them to be loving supportive sisters who have felt the pain of separation and years of loss, growing up alone and dreaming of the family that was ripped away from you, and then suddenly experiencing a reunion that they never even dreamed possible. Basically I just want to see the Stark sisters finally get the chance to stand together with love and strength and family bond behind them, bc I’m a big sap

“She’s a fine woman, your sister. I look forward to having her back in my bed. And you’re all fine-looking men. My dogs are desperate to meet you. I haven’t fed them for seven days. They’re ravenous. I wonder which parts they’ll try first. Your eyes? Your balls? We’ll find out soon enough. In the morning, then, bastard.”

-Ramsay Snow/Bolton, “Game of Thrones”

People @ Sansa after doing the smart thing of not offending the Lords providing their armies to defend the North: “What a manipulative, opportunistic little bitch. Hope Arya puts her on her list. Bran was right not to hug her. She’s evil.”

People @ Sansa (probably) if she had defended Jon more vehemently and called treason and put the northern Lords in their place: “What a stupid, little bitch. Jon should have never put HER in charge. Hope Arya puts her on her list. Bran was right not to hug her. She’s a dumbass.”

♡ Preferences #1: How the two of you meet [Female Version] ♡

                                     ♡ How the two of you meet ♡ 


Daenerys Targaryen: You first met the Dragon Queen in the city of Mereen, where you had recently been taken after you were stolen away by slavers from your home, the island of Naath. Your master treated you cruelly and beat you, and when Daenerys Stormborn and her Dothraki army took the city, he refused to bend the knee, blinded by his pride. The man died screaming, burnt alive and eaten by her dragons, Drogon, Rhaegal, and Viserion, who tore at his meat as if it were a mere snack. The Mother of Dragons was instantly drawn to you, unlike most people, you didn’t flinch or look away in fear when saw the dragons, nor when they roared louder than any warhorn and breathed fire and killed your former master and tore him apart. Instead, you found them beautiful, and magnificent. Daenerys Targaryen told you to take off your collar, and to live freely. You shall have no master, she said. Yet  she had saved you from a cruel and merciless fate, you owed your life to her. You vowed to serve her until your death, and the two of you quickly grew close. You soon became one of her closest advisors, and Mereen flourished as a prosperous and peaceful regime under your guidance.

Yara/Asha Greyjoy: You first met Yara/Asha Greyjoy in Volantis, where she and her brother Theon had stopped for food and rest, before sailing East to Slaver’s Bay, where Daenerys Targaryen ruled in the city of Mereen. She’d first noticed you in the crowded market, and was instantly drawn by your radiant beauty, which stood out from the cold, grey crowd. Whenever you’d walk by she’d wolf whistle and eye you up and down cheekily, just to make you flustered as you blushed and hurried off. You were slightly frightened and embarrassed at first, as you’d heard of the ironborn’s boldness, but you became slowly accustomed to her behaviour, and when the two of you finally began talking, you instantly hit it off, and Yara invited you to sail with her. You accepted, as you saw a chance for a more easy and peaceful life, instead of living off stale bread in the dangerous streets of Volantis, surrounded by thieves and brutes. The two of you became especially close when you and her crew sailed out on her Black Witch, where she jokingly taught you how to steer her ship, standing behind you and guiding your hands on the steering wheel, as the wind of the salty sea blew in your hair, which still remained one of your best memories for the both of you.

Originally posted by rippingtheveins

Sansa Stark: You first met Sansa Stark in King’s Landing, when you, the youngest Tyrell, travelled with your grandmother Olenna Tyrell, your father Mace Tyrell, your sister Margaery, and your brother, Loras, the Knight of Flowers. Your sister was to marry the King, and the whole way to King’s Landing she’d been ecstatic, already thinking about a dream wedding, whereas you and Loras sulked, dreading stepping foot in the Capital. When you’d finally gotten there, and your sister professed her love for King Joffrey, your eyes fell on his betrothed, Sansa Stark of Winterfell. You instantly felt sympathy for her, her face fell from her usual pretty smile, and she looked as if she were about to cry, lost and confused. When the King called off her proposal, and instead promised to marry the Rose of Highgarden, she practically ran off, tears threatening to fall from her eyes, when you ran after her. When you’d caught up to her as she was on her way to her chambers, you comforted her and reminded her of the cruelties Joffrey committed, and how she wouldn’t be a victim of his evil games, after all, Sansa knew that Joffrey was a monster. She began to feel better, and by the end of the evening she was laughing wildly, which she hadn’t done in months. Since that day, you became one of her only true friends in King’s Landing, and the both of you stayed by each other’s side.


Arya Stark: You met Arya Stark, when you, the daughter of Lord Umber, was staying in Winterfell since your father was Lord Eddard Stark’s bannerman. You were training with Robb in the yard, where many of the Stark children, including Arya, had circled around to watch. The young she-wolf was instantly drawn to you, since you were one of the few people she had ever seen handling a blade so well for your age, and even beat Robb Stark, the Young Wolf, and the heir to Winterfell in combat. The two of you became close when you’d rounded an unknown corner one day, only to find Arya training with a dummy, with a small, thin sword in hand - Needle. When she finally took notice of your presence, she gasped and blushed red, embarrassed to have been seen with a sword, only for you to smile warmly, and correct the way she was holding the blade, before turning on your heel and walking away. Since then, Arya had undoubtedly fallen head over heels for you.

Originally posted by gendry

Ellaria Sand: You first met Ellaria Sand when she and Oberyn Martell had travelled to King’s Landing for your nephew’s marriage, in which he was to wed Margaery Tyrell. You were the middle child of Tywin and Joanna Lannister, and had refused to leave Tyrion alone to face Oberyn Martell, who was known for his hate of Lannisters. You’d entered Littlefinger’s brothel, and of course found the Red Viper himself, and his paramour Ellaria there, surrounded by half a dozen of Littlefinger’s finest whores. You weren’t surprised of this, Oberyn and his paramour were known for their vast sexual appetites, yet what did surprise you was the way Ellaria kept staring at you, instead of Tyrion, or the heavily armed City Watchmen that surrounded them. Her eyes were transfixed on you, as if hypnotised, before she leaned into Oberyn’s ear and whispered something, before they both chuckled and look back at you. Tyrion sighed. “I would appreciate it if you and your lovely paramour would stop eye-fucking my dear sister/brother”. You flush immediately, and gape at Tyrion, while the two lovers laugh, Ellaria still gazing up at you.

Originally posted by amusedkaro

Margaery Tyrell:  The two of you met when you and your family had been summoned to King Renly Baratheon’s tourney, during the War of the Five Kings. As your family was one of his allies, and your father his bannerman, it was only natural that you had to travel to Storm’s End, as much as you didn’t want to. The kingsroad was dangerous, and these were dark times. Despite this, you rode out with your family and guards, dreading the arrival. Storm’s end was named such for a reason. It was known for it’s stormy seas and cold nights. However all this changed when you entered Dragonstone, and were greeted by Renly Baratheon, and his new Queen, Margaery Tyrell. She was beautiful and kind, and instantly made you feel welcome as the two of you chatted amongst yourselves during the tourney. She too, was intrigued by your gentleness and intelligence, and dreaded the time when her husband would call her off to their chambers for the night, wishing she could stay and talk to you for as long as she could before you had to travel back to your ancestral home.

Originally posted by rainbows-are-amazing

Brienne of Tarth: You first met Brienne of Tarth during the War of the Five Kings, when she’d returned to the North with Lady Catelyn Stark. You were the child of Rickard Karstark, and had the honour of fighting in the Vanguard, beside Robb Stark and his bannermen. While the bannermen were preparing to attack Jaime Lannister’s forces at Whispering Wood, the soldiers made campfires all around, and were having a pleasant time over food, wine and sharing various stories from all around Westeros. You were having a fairly good time, and noticed Brienne of Tarth standing alone, by herself next to Lady Catelyn’s tent. “My lady, I insist you join us, we have a fire going, and plenty of food and wine”. You said, smiling, yet her calm complexion remained the same. “I swore an oath that I would protect Lady Catelyn”. Brienne was a painfully honourable women, a trait many admired. “We’re not facing any danger, are we? Lady Catelyn has plenty o’ guards defending her should there be any threat. Come, you look hungry, and tired. Some food and the warmth of a fire would do you good”. You weren’t lying. She was clearly tired, and her eyes were slightly red, whether from exhaustion or tears you couldn’t tell. But you did know the death of the King she loved and swore an oath to protect was dead, and it was taking it’s toll. But wordlessly, she agreed and joined you around the fire. You’d filled her a cup of wine, when an obnoxious boy squealed, “Aah! Brienne the Beauty, how does m’lady fair?” He grinned a toothy grin, while the men around cackled out loud. You frowned. You knew that nickname. Brienne the Beauty. It was often used as mockery for the poor woman. And yes, it wasn’t as if Brienne was particularly alluring. Her hair was a nest the yellow colour of straw, her teeth prominent and crooked, her nose had clearly been broken more than once. But her eyes. Her eyes were large, and blue shade of the sea by day. Her beautiful eyes were innocent and pure. “Take a look at yourself, you fucking son of a pox-ridden ass”, you growled, glaring ferociously at him, before he and the other men got up and wandered off, not daring to argue against a child of Lord Karstark. A quiet, timid “Thank you”, arose from Brienne, “for standing up for me”. You smiled. Ever since then Brienne had a soft spot for you, and swore to protect you from any harm.

Originally posted by hardyness

Ygritte: You first met the wildling girl during an expedition beyond the wall. Your hard work had payed off well, and you were picked as a ranger, and part of a small scouting group sent beyond the wall to search for Benjen Stark, the First Ranger.. When camped out at the Fist of the First Men, you had run into a dozen of wildlings. Jax, Emmet, Fornio and you were forced to kill nine of the wildlings, who refused to drop their weapons and attempted to attack you, but managed to capture three. One of whom was a quick-witted, bold redhead, who had teased you nonstop the entire time. By the time your brothers were asleep, you were still awake, listening to her voice, teasing you of your commitment to the Night’s Watch, joking that you couldn’t take a woman, reciting lines in a deep, gruff voice such as “I am the sword in the darkness”, or “I am the watcher on the walls for this night, and all nights to come”, before giggling at her own banter. As much as you tried to find her aggravating, she brought a ghost of a smile to your lips, and instead you found her amusing. Everyone had made out the free folk to be savages, and brutes, thieves and murderers, rapists and beasts, yet here was one of them, with you wrapped around their finger.

Originally posted by mystery-fan99

Cersei Lannister: The two of you first met in King’s Landing, where you travelled in stead of your father, Prince Doran Martell, to a grand tourney, in the name of the new ruler, King Tommen. As much as Cersei longed to hate a Martell, she couldn’t bring herself to do so. When Cersei watched you step out of the carriage in front of the Red Keep, she took note of your grace and beauty, but did not expect for you to be hand-in-hand with her daughter, Princess Myrcella. Cersei gaped, eyes open wide with shock as if she were a deer caught in the headlights, wondering if she was dreaming or if her daughter, the one she hadn’t seen in years, was standing there, a mere few metres away from her. Getting over her initial shock, she ran over and hugged Myrcella as if her life depend on it. “My sweet baby lioness”, she whispered, stroking Myrcella’s blonde Lannister locks. “It is an honour to meet you, your grace. I hope you are not angry with me for bringing Princess Myrcella, I thought the two you would want to see each other.”, a sultry voice called out. Cersei turned around and met with those wild Martell eyes. “Yes, thank you, Princess/Prince. I appreciate your kindness to reunite me and my daughter”. Cersei kept her cool complexion, yet beneath that cold exterior, her heart was pounding fiercely with longing. She was enchanted, and wished to get to know you better.

Originally posted by jaiemlannister

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Sansa Stark Should Always Be Political

I’d like to talk about this misconception that is going around with Sansa Stark and politics. That it’s bad for her to have a political endgame, that her being Queen would be bad for her. This is not a ‘Queen Sansa’ meta, but a meta that is pro Sansa being in politics at the end of the series. There are several points I hope to get across

·         Sansa has a political responsibility to the world, specifically The North (and that’s a good thing)

·         Sansa would make a great politician

·         She’s not Littlefinger 2.0- she’s more than lying and cheating

·         She already has leadership experience under her belt- wanting it to lead to something is not foolish.

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anonymous asked:

What do you think about Arya and Jon as a ship? I know it makes people uncomfortable because they have such an established and loving sibling relationship and i'm pretty sure Grrm isn't going down that route with them anymore....BUT lol I still think the idea of them together is appealing. I also think there's some romantic undertones in the language grrm uses when they think of each other but that's probably just me sighs. All I know is their reunion is gonna kill me lol

Me and @thenedfur were recently discussing how the Jonerys vs. Jonsa fandom war is actually a Stark vs. Targaryen fandom war. Jon is both – the question is, what side will he choose to embrace? Who he falls in love with and marries is ultimately a reflection of the character was a whole. The reason Jonsa is the most popular Jon ship (it is, based on fanfic, meta production and non-freefolk activity, Jonsa stans you gotta stop feeling so threatened) is because this is Jon choosing the Starks. Falling in love with any Targaryen seems like a violation of Jon Snow’s very Starkiness.

In this discussion, we agreed that Jonrya would be A LOT more popular if Arya was a serious contender right now. Really, any Northern girl would be quite popular. 

But I do think GRRM changed his mind because Arya wasn’t able to age as much as he originally intended. Though cousin incest, and emotional half-sibling incest, could be explained away, Arya will likely be 12 by the ending of ADOS. And though GRRM has implied Arya can still save the world if she’s 12, I genuinely do not think he’s going to have Jon Snow fuck a 12 year old. 

Yes, child brides are a thing. Child Brides have certainly not been seen as a good or romantic thing in-universe. Sansa/Tyrion in the book was horrifying, for instance. Besides,  GRRM himself said it’s unhealthy and rare:

In the “general Westerosi view,” well, girls may well be wed before their first flowerings, for political reasons, but it would considered perverse to bed them. And such early weddings, even without sex, remain rare. Generally weddings are postponed until the bride has passed from girlhood to maidenhood. Maidens may be wedded and bedded… however, even there, many husbands will wait until the bride is fifteen or sixteen before sleeping with them. Very young mothers tend to have significantly higher rates of death in childbirth, which the maesters will have noted.

A lot of Arya’s original outline plots have already been given away. Meera was created to take over the going North of the wall with Bran thing. But Arya got lots of other cool plots, and likely she will still be a huge part of saving the world. The part of the original outline that hasn’t changed is likely what was blacked out.

All of this is to say: I don’t think Jonrya is happening. 

For the record, I also don’t think book!Arya is gonna do anything sexually with Gendry. If that happens, it will be epilogue kinda stuff? Same with Jonrya, if it does happen it will have to be at the very, very end. 

That being said: the ship itself is appealing. The way it plays out in the original outline would have been really compelling and romantic. But Arya is different in the original outline, too. I still think she will be a lot like that person when she ages, but that will be beyond the scope of ASOIAF. 

There are objectively romantic undertones to Jonrya as it stands in book canon. There is clear foreshadowing. The original outline even proves Arya was destined to fall for Jon. There is vastly more Jonrya foreshadowing than there is Jonerys, but I do think a lot of said foreshadowing has been turned into a relationship that will end up being purely platonic. GRRM himself says he wishes  he regrets some foreshadowing in his earlier works…*

As it stands: Jonrya is the one pure thing in ASOIAF, and this will remain true whether their relationship is platonic or romantic. Their love for one another is beautiful and perfect and their reunion will be epic no matter what the ultimate outcome of it is. They mean the most to each other, more than anyone else. I don’t think the AA/NN prophecy is real, but if it was, Arya is literally the only person who could be NN, even if their love is just platonic, even if he marries/falls in love with Sansa or Daenerys. Arya Stark is literally (well, figuratively, but whatever) Jon Snow’s heart.

A lot of Targ-stans think Jon will move south and abandon his family (ugh) or that the Starks and Arya will stop meaning so much to Jon because they were only children. But in my opinion that’s why their relationship to one another is so important to the story and Jon’s character in particular. Arya loved and admired Jon when he was nothing, before he became a King, when he was just the bastard of Winterfell. Sure, Bran and Robb and Rickon (RIP) did too. But Jon was Arya’s absolute favourite person because of who he was, his character, not because what he’d done or what he’s achieved. She had complete faith in Jon Snow before he ever proved himself. 

Arya may be Jon’s heart, but this is also a broader reflection of his character and a clear indication on what his future trajectory is. To Jon, Arya is Winterfell, Arya is innocence, Arya is his childhood, Arya is still having hope in the world, Arya is being loved unconditionally. There’s a reason he became an oathbreaker for her and not for Ygritte. Currently, I’m fairly certain Jon does not see Arya romantically. Like 99.9% sure. Being angry she was in Ramsay Bolton’s bed was because she was an 11 year old he didn’t want to see raped, not because he wanted to have sex with her. But Arya is family, Arya is his little sister. If you believe Jon/Ygritte was true love or even just passion, he still didn’t violate his obligations to his people for her. He betrayed her, and she died. But he canonically has broken his oath to save fake Arya. And he died for it.

In Jon’s story, family** and duty are more important than love. This is quite literally the appeal of Jon. For this reason, a platonic Jon/Arya relationship is far more powerful than any romantic relationship Jon could have at this point. 

To Arya, Jon is important because he is so associated with home to her. And being protected, and being loved unconditionally, and being able to be whoever she wants to be. But most importantly, he represents safety and certainty. From the moment they parted ways, she has been unsafe and essentially alone. She learns how horrible the world is. But even though she knows everyone is duplicitous or dead or has abandoned her, she is still completely certain Jon would protect her no matter what. No matter his vows to the NW. And she’s right. He would. Though a lot of emphasis is placed on what an evil bully Sansa was to Arya, Jon was the only person who really accepted Arya on her own terms. He gave her Needle excitedly and with love. Ned allowed her to fight with it after it became apparent how willful she was. But she was still expected to become a lady eventually, no matter what…

In Arya’s story, going home is the most important thing. Jon is her home. Winterfell isn’t her home on it’s own, it’s the people there who she misses. On it’s own it’s nothing. Once WF fell, she could still have that home and safety with Jon at the wall. Going home is much more important than romantic love, especially because Arya is like 11. However, these things and romantic love are not mutually exclusive in any way.

TL;DR If Jonrya were to happen, I would be into it unless she was too young, but even though I don’t think it actually is happening, their platonic relationship is still incredibly important.

*he didn’t specifically say this was about Jonrya, but it is a possibility.
**to any targ-stans reading this, the Starks are Jon’s ~*~real*~*~ family and always will be.

What if there's NO LOVE?!

Dear PxS friends…

What would you guys feel if show!Petyr Baelish is just really pure evil and doesn’t love Sansa. Not one bit and kills her. (I’ll hate LF)

Or…

What would you guys feel if show!Petyr Baelish s7 arc is all about his redemption. But Sansa kills him in a very cold manner. To a point where the fandom empathize with LF more? (I’ll hate Sansa)

You know, something along these scenarios…

Will we fight over it? PxS divided to just Petyr and just Sansa? Can we endure it?!!!

But what I really want to ask. WHAT IF THERE IS NO TENDER MOMENT, A REAL KISS, or A SEX SCENE BETWEEN PxS AND THE SHOW JUST KILLS PETYR or SANSA???

Can you guys imagine the devastation this show is gonna put us through?!?

But maybe this is the very reason why we ship it right? We want to hurt ourselves 😂

eonweheraldodemanwe  asked:

Did you see that the only "ruling empowered" woman who did ruling last chapter was Sansa? Olenna, Yara and Ellaria get trashed. Cersei thinks like Joffrey that she can do as she pleases because she sits on an ugly chair. Dany makes the same speeches about how she is entitled to that chair. Dear evil bad Sansa meanwhile is overseeing the food supply for the north. And giving Littlefinger the middle finger.

Yeah, but she fed and clothed her people with confidence. And Bran was creepy with her (as he’s been with everyone) but it means he’s seen evil Sansa do something evil and power-hungry because all she cares about is ruling ( even though she immediately told Bran ‘you’re lord of winterfell’ and pined for Jon [whose absence is the reason she’s in charge] and Bran was creepy and evasive with Dolorous Edd too. But clearly everything points to evil, power hungry Sansa who cares for nothing except power [that’s why she acted confident and passionate when she was going about feeding refugees and arming soldiers] and team up with Littlefinger). Everything is that selfish, evil, power-hungry Sansa’s evil. That bitch, hugging her brother and making sure soldiers are properly protected and being essentially the only person actually acting as a ruler and helping people (she looked PROUD OF HERSELF AND CONFIDENT WHEN SHE WAS ARRANGING TO PREVENT STARVATION AND SOLDIERS FREEZING TO DEATH, HOW DARE SHE TAKE PLEASURE AND PRIDE IN HER EFFORTS THAT WILL SAVE LIVES, POWER HUNGRY SKANK WHO WILL TOTALLY BETRAY THE BROTHERS SHE KEEPS OFFERING TITLES TO. BECAUSE REASONS! HOW DARE SHE ACT BOTH COMPETENT AND CONFIDENT WITHOUT SHOWING HER TITS OR CREATING MOUNTAINS OF CORPSES?! THAT’S HOW WE KNOW SHE’LL BETRAY EVERYONE! SHE SMILED BRIEFLY WHILE FEEDING PEOPLE AND HER MAGIC POSSESSED BROTHER ACTED LIKE A DICK WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY HER FAULT BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE IS GOING TO DO . WHICH IS BETRAY JON. BECAUSE SHE DARED TO ARGUE WITH HIM. EEEEVIL!)

Women, know your limits! Sure, feed and clothe people, but don’t you dare take any JOY in your good works, or you’re just a power hungry bitch who dares to argue with men and you’ll be the worst because of what we’ve decided you’re going to do (because you argued with a man and dared to act like you deserve acknowledgment for, you know, saving people. NO SMILES FOR YOU, BITCH!)


Sansa haters totally don’t have a misogyny problem, what are you talking about? SOME OF THEM ARE GIRLS AND THEY LIKE ARYA, OKAY?!