oh hey guess what i’m just about salty enough to nail my colours to the fucking mast so here it is: the thing that annoys me most about Voltron age disk horse and anti culture is that so much of it inevitably circles back around to “…and that’s why you can’t ship Shiro with anyone, ever” like no matter what the issue or disk horse somehow it always ends up with a Shiro ship getting labelled “problematic” or gross or abusive, i mean…
you can’t ship Shiro with any Paladins, he’s too old
shallura was okay for a while there, but then that got ditched as soon as the word “teenager” was breathed in the same sentence as Allura
people wanna ship him with Ulaz? nope, sorry, no Galra/Paladin ships allowed (even though k/@nce and ka//ura are apparently fine for some reason)
so pretty much the only “acceptable” ships for Shiro are with minor characters and/or crackships
the new Paladin Handbook drops and implies that Ke/th is 18-going-on-19 and L@nce is two years younger and the exact same people who dropped shallura like a hot coal the first chance they got are now hand-waving and age-wrangling like crazy to justify why k/@nce doesn’t qualify as “problematic” under their own self-declared rules
meanwhile sh31th is still not allowed even though they’re both legal adults (and i’m not even a fan of that ship but it’s still lowkey really annoying to watch the hypocrisy unfold)
i mean you don’t have to like sha/ad1n ships and it’s okay to feel uncomfortable with them or w/e but people wanna act like they’re taking some kind of progressive moral stance by declaring every single Shiro ship off-limits and i am here to tell you that there is nothing “progressive” about constantly arguing that a disabled, traumatised, mentally ill Asian man can’t be shipped with anyone, ever.
Shiro is basically a walking checklist of “character types that never get love interests”, and watching an entire subsection of the fandom double-down on the idea that a character like that is fundamentally unlovable and unshippable is getting really fucking tiring. like y’all need to stop and think really fucking hard about why, exactly, the idea of Shiro getting a love interest is so deeply objectionable to you and why you’re so willing to embrace the idea that he’s “way too old” for everyone else on the show even though all the canon ages are vague and the only “proof” for ages is spin-off merchandise that’s so wildly inaccurate it lists Allura as weaker than Hunk and Shiro even though she is canonically the strongest character we’ve seen.
maybe just take a moment to really think about why so much of the shipping disk horse serves to completely sideline Shiro even though Shiro getting a canon love interest on the show would actually be hugely progressive and powerful after everything he’s been through. maybe stop and think about why the news that Ke1th is Galra or that he’s 18/19 hasn’t caused the fandom to declare him unshippable with anyone but every Shiro ship somehow gets labelled as “toxic” sooner or later. like… maybe give that a little more thought.
#goddd they really invented sexual tension and chemistry with this scene #the amount of times shaw looked down at root’s lips though… (calm down you thirst bucket) #the face holding and touching #i just….. #not to mention root kissing shaw’s upper lip??? #soft??? #i truly wish they weren’t THIS convincing during this whole scene #like they weren’t even fully kissing and this was still amazing #forever THAT ship?? #i fully agree
*DC Show Writers trying to compare Karamel (who have only been together for like 5 seconds and who have only known each other for like a few months, who are constantly arguing and disrespecting each other, who are painfully awkward and just awful together) to WestAllen (who have known each other since they were kids, who constantly encourage and support each other)
There is, for some peculiar reason, a circulating idea that Jon is tricking Daenerys into bed in order to get her to fight with him against the Night King.
The theory is that since Jon slept with Ygritte to convince the Wildlings that he was one of them, he must be doing the same with Daenerys; that he’s willing to do anything to save the North, and this obviously must include tricking a woman who has already lost a husband and a child (and not to mention adragon in order to save his ass) into thinking he’s in love with her.
Yep, that’s the honorable Jon Snow we all know and love. It’s totally the same as when Ygritte threw herself at him time and time again before he finally relented.
Except, no, it’s not.
Daenerys doesn’t make a great first impression with Jon. He knows of her (their!) family history and so it’s understandable that he’s apprehensive. It’s also understandable that Daenerys doesn’t immediately believe him when he says there are a bunch of ice zombies marching to destroy mankind when she’s never seen them before, and never met the man who’s trying to convince her. She knows Tyrion says he’s honest and honorable, but even Tyrion hasn’t seen him in years, so how does she know if he’s telling the truth? That this isn’t a trick to distract her? Both of them have reasons to initially distrust one another.
But then Daenerys takes the first step by allowing him to mine dragonglass, even going so far as to offer her men and her resources for nothing in return. This is a turning point in his opinion of her. He realizes she’s not the person she thought. Especially when he speaks to Missandei and she tells him how kind she is to her people and how they followed her because they actually believe in her, not because she was the daughter of some king from a foreign country that they never knew, let alone served. She tells him that Daenerys would allow her to leave if she wanted, that she would give her a ship and wish her well if she chose to go home. Jon sees here that Daenerys isn’t a tyrant the way her father was; that the people who follow her do so out of love and respect for her, the way the Wildlings and The North do with him.
After spending more time with one another (obviously he’s been with her a while, since Sansa mentions at one point that she hasn’t heard from Jon in weeks) they start to show attraction to one another, sharing looks that are quite obvious.
Personally, though it’s open to interpretation, I believe Daenerys fell in love first, when Jon approached Drogon and Drogon actually let Jon pet his snout, something he’d only let his mother do up until that point. She realizes there’s something different, something special about Jon Snow. I believe at this point he’s attracted to her, maybe has some feelings, but he’s still not letting himself go there because he’s on a mission and doesn’t want to let anything distract him.
The moment Jon falls for Daenerys is when she flies all three of her dragons north of The Wall to save him and his team. He finally sees that she’s truly different, that she’s willing to risk her own life and put her dragons at risk to save other people. That’s something not many rulers would do. Her father wouldn’t have, Cersei wouldn’t, Joffrey sure as hell wouldn’t have.
When Jon wakes up, the first thing he sees is Daenerys’s face, and even though she’s lost her dragon, she pledges to fight by his side, without him bending the knee. He chose, in that moment, himself, to bend the knee because she’s willing to risk everything she has to fight for The North, which obviously means putting aside her own ambitions to take the Iron Throne (which as I’ve said many times, she could so very easily do, even missing one dragon, if that’s what she set her mind to do). Jon now sees her as worthy, as being capable of being a good leader.
This ultimately leads to the point… Why, after Daenerys has pledged herselfalready, would Jon bend the knee, pledge himself publicly, and go to her in her chambers and seduce her to trick her into doing what she’s already agreed to do?
She. Is. Already. On. His. Side. He has no more need to convince her, because she’s already seen the Night King’s army and what they are capable of. She’s already agreed to help him. Why would he dishonor himself by seducing her after she’s already agreed to side with him?
It’s so different from Ygritte, who like I already said, threw herself at him over and over again, who he was still trying to convince that he’d left his Watch (though she knows better). Not to mention he actually did love her. Did anyone forget that he wouldn’t have sex with Melisandre when she climbed up on him, breasts bared, to seduce him, because he still loved Ygritte? This shows that Jon will not sleep with just anyone, he has to actually feel something for them. So when he realizes he can’t fight his feelings for Daenerys any longer, he goes to her. He takes the lead because he loves her. He wouldn’t dishonor himself, wouldn’t trick a woman who lost a dragon that she considered her child to save him, wouldn’t sleep with a woman he didn’t love, wouldn’t lie about pledging himself to a queen (costing him the support of another army in the process) all in order to trick a woman who was already on his side.
What would be the point?
“I’m not going to swear an oath I can’t uphold. When enough people make false promises, words stop meaning anything. Then there are no more answers, only better and better lies.” - Jon Snow, The Dragon and the Wolf
Yep, seducing a woman, making her believe he’s in love with her just to gain access to her dragons and armies, which she’s already given, totally fits with Jon’s character. If you don’t know anything about him, that is.
imagine hating women so much that you can’t even handle a beautiful canonfriendship between two female characters because you’re too threatened by the fact that they’re romantically shipped by the fandom
People hold hands a lot in LOTR and it’s really nice? It’s not just Frodo and Sam, but I never noticed before this reread. Pippin just now took Gandalf’s hand, and earlier he’d taken I think Bergil’s, a kid (ten, so old enough to walk around without help) he just met, as they walked around the city. So it’s apparently not weird, it’s just a Normal Thing.
Vaguely of relevance as well is the fact that Frodo says “he is very dear to me” of Aragorn after, what, about a fortnight of knowing him. I’m not saying he doesn’t have cause; it was a very crowded and busy fortnight. I too would probably call someone very dear to me if they had saved me from dying from stabbery and guided my friends safely through the wilderness.
It’s just all those ‘my dear Sam’ and ‘I love him’ that he and Sam do, even though they’re a product of extreme circumstances, aren’t even out of line with the culture they live in. They’re still just as meaningful, and I don’t think their power is decreased by that. I just think it’s notable that this isn’t even beyond the bounds of “propriety” for really close friends in high stress situations.
This isn’t where I meant this post to go, but I think this is why this story resonated with me so hard specifically as an aro and why I still don’t ship anything romantically in the Tolkienverse, because the world of Middle Earth is one where loving your close platonic friends and companions to the point of being physically and verbally affectionate is a normal occurrence. It’s just how things are. There’s a lot to be said about the cultural implications of that vs here and now, but I’m not really in a position to say it. But I think even before I knew How I Was, I knew that friends were much more important to me than romance seemed to be. And I feel, with the preponderance of love interests in most adult fiction, like Lord of the Rings was the first Grown Up Story where I saw that aspect of myself reflected.