Individuality vs Collectivity
ESFJ, ENFP and INTP having a debate on being a “lone wolf” versus being a part of a society.
ESFJ: Why would you live by yourself? Isn’t that lonely?
INTP: Lonely would be subjective to the mental health of the individual, so not really related. Also, I said supporting myself and doing things for myself, not specifically being by myself. I could have a family, and they would be MY family, and I’d support them.
ENFP: Why is the scope only extended to your family? Why not YOUR society, and YOUR country? Why not bigger?
INTP: Because resources, efficiency, micromanaging, and inflexible and other uncontrollable factors that extend as the scope extends. Same thing applies to family, but less.
ESFJ: That’s so sad though, don’t you feel like…you want to help people and that you want to live for someone else other than you?
INTP, slightly baffled: Not particularly. In theory, anyway since real life is hardly agreeable. People live individually, as individuals, and they die, as individuals. Why die for other people when you can live for yourself?
ESFJ: Then how about soldiers? They die for the country.
INTP: Each to their own. If people love their country enough, then everyone would become a soldier. I do find patriotism respectable. Plus, dying for something is easy, exempting all the gory details. They know you as the hero, the selfless martyr that died in the fire of glory. It’s the same way with everything. Throw some sparkles on something and it’ll be something aesthetically pleasing. Nice to look at. Because people don’t really want to face their reality, sometimes.
ISFJ cousin pops in.
ISFJ: You guys….you guys are discussing about this while individuality versus collectivity, right? How did sparkles and martyrs come into play?
ESFJ: I don’t…I don’t know.
ENFP: I get it, but at the same time I don’t. But at the same time again, I like where it’s going, so it’s fine.
ENFP and INTP continues on discussion while ISFJ asks ESFJ for help in the kitchen.
ESFJ: I honestly have no idea how we’re related. How do I KNOW that person?
ISFJ: Maybe she’s adopted.
INTP, in another room screaming loudly for the whole house to hear: I HEARD THAT.