sortinghatchats does Star Wars: The Force Awakens
We sorted the original trilogy (Han, Luke, Leia, etc.) and the prequel trilogy (Padme, Anakin, Obi Wan, etc.) here. Take a look!
For those who are new to the sortinghatchats system, our basics post is here. But to sum it up: the way we play this game, your “primary” house is WHY you do things and your “secondary” house is HOW.
Note: I’m sorting purely off movie canon, not the extra canonical details of the companion novel and comics, etc -Inky
Rey, who has shaped her whole life around waiting for her family to come back for her, is a Hufflepuff Primary. She is desperate for community, and patiently, determinedly waiting for it. She is also (another Hufflepuff trait) willing to fight for any person or sentient who crosses her path. She’s indiscriminate in her willingness to help others, even when she has so little to share.
The thing that carries her off Jakku is that BB-8 and Finn need her. Hufflepuffs have a tendency to need-base– to help the people who need it first, rather than doing the Slytherin thing of prioritizing their favorite and beloved people first. Even knowing her family might come back, Finn and BB-8’s needs do what even constant starvation and exhaustion never could: drive her off Jakku.
Then, the thing that keeps her from going straight back to Jakku after is a) the new family she’s found in Finn and b) the promise of a new family, destiny, and community in Luke and the Jedi Order. Offered a new community to fall in love with and a new home on the Falcon, Rey is finally able to let go of the possibility of her family’s return, which she has been clinging to desperately for so long.
While Rey’s got a blunt sort of personality (charging at Finn with BB-8, etc), I think that’s more of a sign of her passionate Hufflepuff Primary than a Gryffindor Secondary. While Rey certainly charges at things (a common Gryff Secondary indicator), the stuff that seems to really define her is her steady work ethic, cleverness, and her skills with droids, ships, and circuits– a Ravenclaw Secondary’s traits of collected knowledge, skills, and tools.
Over her years scavenging on Jakku, Rey has picked up a vast and easy knowledge of ships’ innards that she is able to apply cleverly and effectively throughout the story. She fixes the Falcon, winning her Han’s respect and affection. She uses the inside of the battle station as a jungle gym. She hacks the doors inside Han’s transport, saving Finn from the rathtars/tentacle-y monster things. Many of her victories come from previously gathered skills and knowledges, so well-learned that she can apply them to great effect.
In her final fight with Kylo what tips the battle in her favor is her memory of and application of Maz’s teachings– she closes her eyes, she listens for the Force, and it is that (not her affection and worry for Finn, not her anger over Han, not her inner goodness) that lets her succeed. And it is her existing skills with the staff that had helped her hold out that long against a trained opponent.
Now, leaving everything else behind, Rey’s off to Luke’s island of angsty solitude to shore up a new set of skills for her Ravenclaw Secondary, which was already pretty impressive to begin with. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say this kid’s gonna grow up to be one badass Jedi.
From what we have seen so far, Finn’s a Slytherin Primary.
(There’s some argument to be made that he’s a REALLY BURNED Hufflepuff Primary who doesn’t think anyone’s a person other than Rey, and that he’ll un-burn over the course of the series… but that’s a way more complex argument. From what we have seen so far, the simplest sorting for Finn is Slytherin.)
But the things that drive Finn are this: a) his survival and eventually b) Rey’s wellbeing. The epiphany moment that drives him to leave the First Order is triggered by the death of his friend, who leaves the iconic red handprint on him. However, when he and Poe escape the station, Finn fires guiltlessly on other Stormtroopers, implying that his loyalty and grief are specific to individuals. It’s not a general sense of empathy or morality that drives him.
This trend follows when it comes to Rey’s rescue as well. Finn lies about his ability to help the Resistance in order to get himself on the ground to find Rey. Trusting his intel, General Leia sends men, women, and other sentients to risk their lives. Finn is gambling not just those fighters’ lives but also the lives of the whole threatened planet– and he’s not even gambling. While he, Han, Chewie, and Rey do manage to get the shields down and the base destroyed in the end, that was never Finn’s plan. He wanted to save Rey, and he carelessly and callously risks peoples’ lives, promising a chance at victory he provides almost as an afterthought.
This makes Finn a loyal friend, and a little bit of a loose cannon. If he follows the theme of other heroic Slytherins in this series, he’s likely to grow a much more Puff-seeming or Gryff-seeming morality system for the sake of friends like Rey and Poe. (See: Han Solo, re: Luke and Leia’s sake). While Slytherins can easily have independent moralities, Star Wars seems to really like Slytherins building moralities primarily for the sake of their loved ones. Anakin not doing that for Padme is one of the things that doomed him, thematically speaking.
As for the HOW: Finn’s a Gryffindor Secondary– he charges at things. When he wants to get out of the station, he kidnaps/frees the enemy Resistance pilot, ripping off his helmet in an alcove and blurting out his intentions. He drops himself on the battle station to find Rey with no plan at all, assuming if he just goes in and tries that something will work out– and it does. At a cost.
Finn’s also got that general Gryffindor Secondary trait of being so obviously genuine that people believe him even when they maybe shouldn’t. Poe, BB-8, Rey, Leia, and the Alliance in general trust him– they steal spaceships with him and attack space stations on his word. It’s only Han, our other Slytherin/Gryffindor (a theme in these movies– Anakin was one as well), who immediately susses Finn out as an obvious liar. (And even then, Han knows the thing Finn would like to do most is come clean).
That’s an important factor, here– that your secondary is about what you want to do and what you feel you should do, rather than perhaps what you actually do. Finn lies a lot in this movie, but he doesn’t seem to really want to, and he’s happiest and most effective when he’s blindingly, passionately honest in his intentions. I’m looking forward to see what this kid grows up into.
OK, so we barely see any of Poe. I really liked him and hope we get more, but for now this is a very… extrapolated sorting of him.
Poe’s got a sass on him to make any Slytherin Secondary proud, but I think his jibes with Kylo Ren come from a Slytherin Secondary performance rather than that actually being a part of him. That sort of banter is something he’s learned and put on, and it’s not in the end a very useful part of his personality at all, except for winning movie-going audiences over. The skills that actually make Poe important are just that– skills, as a fighter pilot, a droid-speaker, and a resistance fighter.
When Finn and Poe are escaping, Poe explains that he can fly anything. He gets into a First Order ship and not only knows enough about its functionality that he can fly it himself but also knows it well enough that he can talk Finn through manning the guns. This seems… a little above and beyond.
Ravenclaw Secondaries succeed at things not just because they are prepared for what comes, but because they are prepared for things they didn’t actually expect to happen.
They collect skills, knowledge, and tools because they love filling their pockets, metaphorically speaking (or not), not always because they are expecting utility to come out of them later. Poe loves what he does, and the skills that come in handy for him he didn’t necessarily know would be useful when he collected them.
(I could also easily see him as a hard-working, reliable, friendly Hufflepuff Secondary, though, so… let’s see what the rest of the trilogy brings us).
As far as primary, the WHY– my best guess is Gryffindor. He seems to believe in the cause and to believe in people in a particularly engaging, earnest way. What’s driving Poe doesn’t seem to be the communal-loyalty of a Hufflepuff, or the measured, deliberate idealism of a Ravenclaw, or the pointed selfishnesses and loyalties of a Slytherin. But there’s still a lot of Poe we haven’t seen, so I’m gonna take a rain check before I’m willing to die on the hill of Gryffindor Primary Poe.
Kylo Ren is a Ravenclaw Primary (sorry Ravenclaws). He’s not a lost Hufflepuff looking for community (though that would have been one easy way for Snoke to steal him); he’s not a certain Gryffindor or even a broken one; he’s not a Slytherin driven by ambition for his own self and his loved ones. Kylo thinks he knows what is true. He’s figured it out– with twisted, manipulative help from Snoke– and now he’s killing himself (and others) to live by those truths.
It’s particularly apparent in his conversation with his grandpa’s melted old helmet– little Ben Solo is torn up inside about how his gut and instincts are pulling him toward the Light, when he intellectually knows that the Dark Side and power are the correct side. Where Gryffindors feel dirty if they bloodlessly weigh morals and ignore their gut screaming against it (“You can talk yourself into anything. But some things are just wrong,” some Gryffs might explain), Ravenclaws feel selfish and wrong to if they ignore their logical conclusions just because it makes them feel bad in their tummy.
When Kylo feels himself faltering in his belief, he sees his gut impulses away from the Dark Side as a flaw, and as something he needs to fight against. It is his intellectual belief in the Dark Side that he prioritizes and chooses to devote himself to.
Though trying to get his father to bring Ben back into the fold was a good gamble, it was never going to work. Kylo’s gut screaming at him not to do it–those mixed loyalties tearing him apart inside–was only ever going to encourage him to shove those feelings down more and look to his logical, learned system for what to do. The thing that matters most is to do right, to do true, and Kylo believes that that truth is something that lives outside himself in the Dark Side of the Force. He will sacrifice all his own loves and griefs and his own self to serve it. The tattered remains of his love for Han (and his similarly complicated hate for Han) only got in the way. That murder was a moment of ascendancy for Kylo, in a twisted way. It was a test of strength and he passed.
Kylo’s Ravenclaw Primary is also apparent in some of his final interactions with Rey. Seeing that she is like him– powerful– he is certain she will see the truth of his ways and change to his side (“you need a teacher!”) if only he can explain it over the clash their lightsabers. Ravenclaw Primaries, especially immature ones like Kylo, often believe if other people just think long enough and well enough that they will of course come to that Ravenclaw’s own conclusions– and not just agree with them but change to live by those truths, too.
Too bad for Kylo, but a) his Ravenclaw system is stupid and b) Rey’s a Hufflepuff, kids, this ain’t gonna fly.
He seems to have inherited his parents’ (and grandfather’s) shouty, blunt Gryffindor Secondary– though both Leia and Han carry (and carried) it more effectively than Ben has yet learned to. But he has a tendency to blast through things, to shout, to leap without thinking. He shoves into people’s heads, stalks down corridors, yells, slashes. He’s a blunt force weapon, but Star Wars as a universe seems to like those okay, so he’s probably going to grow up to be decently formidable.
Rey: Hufflepuff Primary/Ravenclaw Secondary
Finn: Slytherin Primary/Gryffindor Secondary
Poe: Gryffindor Primary/Ravenclaw Secondary (Slytherin Secondary performance)
Ben Solo/Kylo Ren: Ravenclaw Primary/Gryffindor Secondary