a noble boy! look at those big curved horns, that brave stance. the apple shading works well for this boy. a solid 4/5 for this bold friend.
cuddly and soft boy!! very cute, adorable face, cute nub legs. however, i must detract half a point due to the thinness of the horns. 4.5/5 cute but not perfect.
i can see what they were going for, and the sharp angles + thick outline are a bold design choice, but i’m not really feeling it. 2/5 due to poor execution.
head on ram!!! another cuddly looking one, very floofy. the face is a little less adorable than the google ram, and the ears are a bit odd, but i find these horns more pleasing. another 4/5, very cute friend.
hmm… hmm… this boy is sort of. shapeless. blob boy. however, still a little cute. 2/5 for provoking at least some emotional response in me.
i admire the simplicity, but i feel you lose a lot of the cuteness and personality of rams this way. and of course the horns are less impressive. 3/5 for interesting approach.
intense boy!! he feels very ominous. but that can be a good look for rams! the horns are wonderful, however, the face shape is pretty off. 3/5 for unique design choice but its a monkey face.
this ram is a sneaky one… look at that smirk. very nice shading, nice details, realistic body shape. i’ll even forgive the thin horns. 5/5 for accuracy rams can be very smug.
another minimalist approach! however while i like the horns, there is little else in favor of this ram. the shape is indistinct and the face is just strange. 2/5 for blob boy with no neck.
a similar approach to twitter, but much better execution! note the nice curves of the back and belly, and the fact that he has a neck. 4/5 good but subpar horns.
what is this. this makes me uncomfortable. 0/5 alien masquerading as a ram.
finishing off with a combo noble + floofy boy!! the body looks a lot like a domestic sheep, and the horns are nice and tightly curled. 5/5 for merging two great approaches and executing it well.
More pictures of the beautiful Gute sheep.The Gute (Swedish: Gutefår) is a landrace-based breed of domestic sheep native to the Swedish island of Gotland. The Gute is the most primitive breed native to Sweden, and is one of the Northern European short-tailed sheep. The Gute is horned in both rams and ewes, and has a fleece that appears in a wide variety of colors and patterns. (Source: Wikipedia)
Sony a7rII // Sigma 70-300mm f4.5-5.6 // ISO 250 f14 1/250 // 04.22.2017 Utah I knew I would get to meet some sheep when the herders came out…but I never thought I’d meet one that survived the harsh winter! This lovely lady didn’t want us to get close but thankfully the herders are coming back in May so she only has to wait a few more days! We noticed something standing at the mouth of a cave (thinking coyote) but no it was a sheep 😂 Oh the adventures of exploring Utah’s middle of no where.
Hi I have been led to believe that animal sacrifice particular of rams was fairly important in ancient Greek worship and I was wondering how this was handled in your practice
The principal kind of Greek sacrifice was called ‘thysia’ and consisted of the killing of a domestic animal, usually cattle, sheep, goats or pigs. It was followed by the division of the meat between the divine recipient and the human participants. This practice was most definitely the cornerstone of the ancient Hellenic faith. It included animals for a reason: the act of killing, of taking the life of an animal, is a difficult one. It brings us closer to our own mortality. Sacrifice was the highlight of ancient Hellenic ritual.
I don’t sacrifice animals in my practice. That said, I would be open to bringing animal sacrifice back if we could do it properly: if the sacrifice could be made with enough people to use all of the animal and to make the sacrifice count. If we had temples, a Hellenic village square, or another open and accepting environment to conduct these rites, then yes, I would 100% join in and I have been saying for years I would rather be butchering my own meat for consumption and of course, I would sacrifice the animal to the Theoi.
That said, I live in an urban area with neighbors who would very much disagree with the killing of an animal on their lawn. I live hours away from the nearest Hellenist. I am not licensed to butcher an animal, nor do I possess the skill to do so.
Personally, I think we are not ready to revive the practice of animal sacrifice. We are small, scattered, and divided on many things. We have no set or standardized practice–and we even differ on the opinion if we need one. I think we have quite a lot of other things to sort out before we can form a united front that can declare–unambiguously–why we need to perform animal sacrifices to fully practice our religion, and set up rules, guidelines, and classes to make these a reality in a legal, responsible manner.
I think we can and should bring back the practice, but not now. Not yet. Perhaps in ten years or so, maybe twenty. Once we are secure, once we are more recognized, once we are done chipping away at ourselves from the inside out. Perhaps then we will be able to bring back something so very important to the ancient Hellenes and the Gods we love so much.
Norway to allow total eradication of its most peaceful wolf pack
22nd of June, 2016
The peaceful Osdals pack is a pack currently consisting of 8 wolves, all which are now in dangered of being shot. Their territory resides in Rendalen in southeastern Norway - an area that holds most of Norway’s wolf population. In Norway, settled wolves, or breeding wolves, are only allowed to live in certain areas called “wolf zones”. Allthough the wolf pack’s territory has been discussed to become a part of the wolf zone by the government, and higly recommended to be by proffesionals, the Osdals wolves are unfortunately currently living outside the zone. Any wolves wandering away from these sounds is basically doomed to death. Note that the eurasian wolf is classified as nationally critically endangered in the country.
Predecessors of the current Osdals pack, Erik and Heidi, that was shot in 2011. Picture by Lars Gangås.
The Odals wolves has never killed sheep or domestic reindeer, and is living in a wildlife area with few people and bursting with prey animals.
The packs territory also overlaps with the Julussa pack which breeding female is considered Norway’s most genetically important specimen as she is of Russian blood. This female is now in danger of being shot during the hunt on the Osdals wolves if she is to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The reason these wolves are being killed boils down to the fact that Norway only allows three breedings per year. A breeding pack needs out, and allthough these wolves live in one of the country’s most suited areas for wolves, they draw the shortest straw as being the pack outside the wolf zone. Instead of expanding the zone to include these wolves, they are now getting a death sentence.
The hunt starts off on 1st of January 2017. Usually licence hunts on wolves starts on 1st of October in Norway. But should both parents wolves be shot it would mean that any surviving pups of this years litter would have poor chances to survive the winter.
Mareeps I actually have 2 other sketches but i don’t have time to finished them right now :/ i might upload them when i can.
Suffolk Sheep | Domestic Breed This domesticated breed of mareep has been bred to have very little to no horns. They are docile and used mostly for wool production as they have very little electricity production
Navajo Churro | Fluffy breed Theis breed of mareep is found most commonly in the colder climates where its thick fluffy coat protects it from the bitter cold. THey are generally friendly sheep but due to the high density of their fluff they generate a lot of static so watch out!
Hebridean | Wild Breed This fluffy breed is one of the most potent mareep breeds, its quad horn formation allows for electricity to be generated between them to control powerful thunderbolts. They are big grump butts and are rarely found on farms due to their bad tempers.
Rambouillet | Contest Breed A soft hearted variation these Rambouillets are found through contests and are famed for their cloud like coat. They generate low levels of electricity and are more known for their spark than their bolt.
Zootopia: The Domestication Problem, Solution, & Greater Bellwether Conspiracy
There are no humans in Zootopia. There never was. With
that in mind it was decided that since domestication never happened, there
would be no domesticated breeds of animals. This has been a kick in the teeth
for a lot of fans out there. No Siamese cats, no Dalmatians, no Holstein
Friesian (spotted) cattle.
It’s an interesting and rather unique detail yet despite my defense of this
quirk and incorporation of this logic into world building, there has been a
nagging problem in the back of my mind. The truth is that Zootopia has already
errored in this endeavor, pretty damn heavily too. There are two major and one
minor incidents I will note.
First let’s look at a group called the Razorbacks. These was a group of boars who
were assigned to deal with out of control predators in earlier scripts of the
Now those are some cool looking officers. While it’s understandable that their
greater role in the story was scrapped, it’s unfortunate that they failed to
make a background appearance in any scene. I can only imagine that if this is
not from simple over-sight, this was done to keep Judy’s role as the
exceptionally small officer more overt; as the boars would have been around Nick’s
size. The true problem comes in that Boars are not shown at all, and instead we
That is a domesticated pig species. Their soft pinkish skin, lack of tusks and
exceptional rotundness are all indicators of generations of domestication. In
fact domesticated pigs released back into the wild will quickly re-adopt the
feral traits of tusks, course brown fur, and of course a leaner, tougher
meat. Next we have the Sheep.
Whether Bellwether is of the same breed as her minions is irrelevant since
they’re both guilty. The ball like shape of male sheep, walking on chicken legs, even when accounting for artistic license is in no likeness to wild species. I’ve
noted before that Zootopian sheep shouldn’t produce as much wool as domesticated sheep, but this honestly contradicted with the curly, cloudlike,
white wool all sheep are shown to have: while real wild sheep look perpetually shaved in comparison. Wild sheep species also
demonstrate horns on both male and female members, while in Zootopia only some
males have horns with none on females (buts that’s a minor note). It goes without saying that should
Bellwether not be suffering from Dwarfism, her status as a probable Miniature
or Babydoll breed is cause for concern.
So the cat in this movie is obviously not a big cat. I’ve noted before I don’t
consider this tongue-in-cheek gag a threat to continuity, particularly since
the cat could easily be of a wild cat species if not from what would be
considered fictional cat breed in Zootopia since the movie is a fiction.
At first I had contented myself with this postulation: “Since Zootopians
have taken themselves out of the wilderness, would that not be ample excuse to
account for domesticated species?”
Alas, if such was so, the same would be true not only with dogs and cats, but a
great deal of species. Thus our answer must be particular. With the generations
that must pass in order for the noted qualities to appear, the origin must
exist in the far past. To make it short & simple, these species selectively bred themselves into their current forms.
That’s all I would ever expect of canon as the family friendly version stops
there and raises other questions. For those, I’ll extrapolate from my previous
theory about the Dark
Ages of Zootopia, wherein the world was divided between predator empires,
herd nations, and their vassals.
In the original draft, Mayor Swinton had
pigs and sheep, our primary culprits for this topic, the working together in an
elaborate plot to undermine predators. The connection runs deep.
Imagine that a population of sheep and boars where at one time enslaved by a
predator empire. In an attempt to “breed the fight out of them”, pairings were selected by the slave masters. Their
efforts apparently proved successful, indeed as time went on slaves would be
structured into caste systems where breeds could be further developed for
specific tasks. While this effectively manipulated many factors, outward docility did not equate to loyalty; particularly in cases where treatment of thralls remained harsh. Meanwhile the
empires found themselves in trouble due to haphazardly applying the same
concept to their own royal lines.
Inbreeding at its
By this point eugenics had allowed slaves
into trusted positions (similar to phenomenon of Eunuchs & Janissaries) where some where educated to take on bureaucratic
responsibility where infighting amongst nobility would take place otherwise.
Pigs, known to be smart animals, were perfect for the task. While herbivore
slaves were never the fighting force of a predator empire, special sheep became
the de-facto honor guard for royal families; as warriors from noble families
might be keen on assassination to advance their own family to the throne. After
all, even if the emperor was killed, slaves would remain slaves, right? But
they need only bide their time…
Eventually the empires would fall from forces
both within and without. The “domesticated” species rejoined their
brethren in freedom. The gap between them and their “wild” cousins was quite
large though and there would be a fair amount of problems to overcome.
The new strands of the species were at first viewed with
pity and revulsion. Reactively the “New-People” quickly adopted a collective
pride as an emotional defense against self-hatred. The castes extolled
themselves as innately superior in any task that had been their former
profession and worked hard to prove it. What had been apprehension at the
thought pair-bonding with the twisted mockeries of their race became a double
sided effort as “Pedigrees” adopted a stance of sticking to their own arranged
marriages. Schooled in the art state-craft, Pedigree families rose to power in
their own societies while a subtle war of population was waged. It was not
only a life goal but an ethnic duty to reproduce in large planned families. A
thought that would eventually put the “wild” genera in the minority.
By the time the Zootopian equivalent of the age of enlightenment came
along the concept of eugenics was openly propagated to outsiders; the former slaves
explaining that the predators had only touched the surface of its potential and
had grossly errored in their inbreeding against the proper science of selective
While the Pedigree breeds concerned themselves ethnic vitality, the movement
became influential in greater society as a solution to society’s ills. The
criminal element, habitually impoverished, mentally, and physically deficient
were all placed on the chopping block as people burdening greater civilization
whose problems could be traced back to their genes. Mixing outside one’s breed,
let alone species, was seen as not only innately off-putting but a cause of
genetic abnormalities that would render undue suffering unto children and
unjust strain on the nation. Surprisingly, the Eugenics movement owed much of
its success to how inclusive its doctrine was. In a time where ideas of overall
racial supremacy and complete segregation, not to mention outright
extermination, were the norm; the idea of reaping the best from every species
to create a more harmonious society was rather benign.
Pedigree lines appeared sporadically in other species, particularly amongst the
well-to-do, but never reached the level extreme importance or influence as seen
in the progenitor species. What did take hold was the prominent philosophical
branch that just as the predators had once “bred out” their
aggression, society would be better served if violent tendencies of predators
were worked out of the gene-pool. Attempts to bring this to fruition varied:
withholding marriage licenses for those with violent offenses in their records,
withholding social welfare benefits from large impoverished families,
facilitating predator children to special prey-run schools and fostering
predator orphans to prey families. “Extreme” methods like euthanasia
or mass sterilization never came to fruition, though not an unheard of
musing in private conversation, it was considered too overt and so impractical.
Truthfully the Pedigree species still harbored a silent hatred toward predators
for the permanent change rendered unto them and would now use their influence
to repay the same. After all, even predators could serve the greater good.
As monarchies and warlords gave way to populous forms of government and
national loyalties began to overtake racial loyalty, some predators began to see
their identities threatened. Eventually the ultimate manifestation of
this sentiment would be Zootopia’s
version of World War 2, where several species rekindled their desire for
the great dominions of old and to throw off the oppression of herbivores. These
new dominions, however, wouldn’t take ultimate solutions off their list. The
end result producing several greatly agreed upon sentiments: Single species-centric
civilizations were dead & discrimination between pred & prey was
inherently wrong. The conflict would also be catalyst to the foundation of the
experimental model city of Zootopia, where prejudice would (hopefully) be a
thing of the past. Due to the axis-predators using eugenics arguments in their
own agenda and ultimately pointing out the similarities between themselves and
herbivore eugenics thought, the movement lost public support and assumedly
petered out of existence.
Yet the old sentiment is a hard one to kill amongst the “civilized”
species. Many preserve pedigree trees and their own inner species culture.
Sheep and pigs maintain an incredibly lopsided majority (both in investment and
as technical experts) in fields like gene therapy and social services.
Pedigree ≠ Inbred
Remember that Pedigree culture is trying
to avoid the errors “pure bred” predator royalty and likes to base itself in
science. Pedigree specifically means “recorded ancestry” and Pedigree culture
is about raising civilization through selective pair bonding. This means that
the detriments caused by incest are completely unacceptable and the phenomena
depression is to be avoided. It’s also not be confused with “Social
Darwinism” (IE: survival of the fittest), since natural selection cannot
effectively remove all deleterious recessive genes from a population.
What this essentially means is that potential pairs are
heavily scrutinized by both families, communal leaders, and those specialized in
genetic match making. For example, Bellwether could marry a man of her breed
provided their genetic stalk was not only far enough apart but also served to
combat deficiencies in each other’s genepool. Otherwise the search will be
extended outside to make an official Cross-Breed. This form of Heterosis should
not be confused with simple mix breeding IE: mongrel/ mutts. While conforming
to Pedigree culture, choosing just ANY man wouldn’t do as this might cause more
issues than it solves. She couldn’t choose an Awassi because its determined the
risk for genetic abnormalities is too high and/or his breed’s profession too
different. However the Bentheimer
Landschaf and Suffolk clans are assessed to be good matches. So she marries a
Suffolk to make the Miniature-Suffolk line which can then be integrated into
Suffice it to say it
is a massive headache to even find a potential mate. Still many aren’t willing
to be disowned by their entire families in the name of “True love”, if not for
themselves than the fact their children would be labeled as “mongrels”; also
exiled from the clan structure and would have trouble finding mates of their
own. Thankfully there are dating websites now. So there is that.
“Pedigree Profession” has been in a state of lingering dissolution. Remaining
ontop of the world’s game also meant adapting to it. Being in the
blacksmithing business has long required more expertise than just
forging metals; and as such has required more members specializing in
“outside” skills. For centuries the definition of “Pedigree Professions”
has been broadening and more of the new generations are starting to
disregard this particular aspect of Pedigree culture to the chagrin of
the older. Still, this taboo isn’t considered nearly as bad as “defiling” a pedigree line and as most pedigrees go back to their herds and families
businesses more adept than ever, their grip on power could only be said to have improved.
But what if Pedigrees haven’t completely given up on social
engineering larger society? Instead of
trumpeting around as open political movements they have taken their operations
into the shadows. Great families, long monopolized in the trade of their breed,
situate themselves at key points in civilization’s machinations; ready to push
and pull in whatever direction is needed.
Resentment toward their ancient enemy is still nursed and
predators’ resurgence in society is cause for alarm. The outside’s continued
view of Pedigrees as “cowardly”, “impressionable”, “weak”, “fat” and any other number
of derogatory descriptors (using “domesticated” is immediate grounds for a fight) hasn’t
helped much either. Still, cathartic
vengeance is merely a side effect of bringing order to the world. Electing a
blowhard like Lionheart is perfect evidence that a “wild” society cannot be
trusted with its own decision making. What’s more, Pedigrees could see
themselves as the vanguard for all mammal civilization against the “true xenos”
of the world.
The Pedigrees could be players in Zootopia’s “Shadow War”: A
hidden conflict that the nation’s spy organization wages with outside threats
like the avians,
reptiles and primates.
The Pedigree Conspirators are wild cards who strike at non-mammals, work as
fair weather friends with primates (whom have similar goals but ultimately vie for their own domination)
and bite at the M.I.A
as much as they play into each other’s greater plots.
For most, nothing ever comes of being a Pedigree besides
sharing in the cultural ideals of their breeds. Others are called to
demonstrate clan loyalty by committing actions whose overall purpose isn’t
quite clear along with more overt activity likethe
leader of a Herd calling for the vote of a particular candidate. The numbers
of people who actively pursue the greater goals are relatively small. Cells can
consist of farmers meeting in barns, biker gangs in pubs, and affluent business
professionals around a table; each whose loose affiliation with each other completely
destroys the image of a card carrying organization that could be disbanded.
Bellwether, for example, could go about her
her family having any knowledge of the conspiracy. While she was an active
attempt to rebalance the scales, she was already achieving a civil career as
her breed’s profession dictated. Her fall exposed
several cells but hardly crippled the movement. Perhaps there is no
central head to be cut off and the illusion of such keeps everyone guessing. Certainly no one font income that could be stifled let alone that need be illegal and could be stopped. It is to throw stones at a lake in an attempt to splash all the water out, as the Pedigree Movement’s “membership” could be defined as only a few hundred to several million.
Well, I’ve tried to find out what breed of goat the boss monster species is based on, and I can definitely say there is no single breed that has their traits. the Anglo Nubian goat is the one they match the most as far as the head with its white horns, round “roman” nose, and trademark long floppy pendulous ears. The Damascus goat has the severely “roman” nose, to the point the face looks humanoid and they have what appear to be fangs but are not canine teeth, and also features the the pendulous ears, and thicker fur with a blonde tint, and their horns and beard are often dyed yellow for shows. They are considered very regal and noble and graceful and are treated as a show-goat (not to show-boat), but aren’t as large and their horns are too twisting.
as for proportions, size, huge muscles, behavior (Nannies, the name for female mountain goats, will stand on the slope of hills beneath their kid to make sure it can’t slide off the edge, and will fiercely attack anything that threatens their kid), and thick shaggy white fur around the head, I’d have to say that matches the American Rocky Mountain goat, Oreamnos americanus. It’s actually in a completely different genus than a domestic goat, but when you see that size and broad shoulders and beard, you can’t help but think of Asgore.
Hybridizing a Nubian-Damascus goat with a Rocky Mountain goat may be possible.
With a species like the domestic goat that is bred to the point it lacks many genes that would prevent hybridization, to the point that domestic goats and sheep can hybridize despite being different genus and having different chromosomes numbers. It’s definitely likely that if you have millions of disposable income and a really weird obsession, you could breed a hybrid with all the traits of the boss monsters eventually.
As far as information about goats goes, yes, females do have horns too, its just most domestic goats have their horns buds surgically removed when they are young and they never developed.
And yes, because I was asked privately, goats do indeed only have one pair of teats, like humans, not 4 or 6, and no they aren’t on the belly or chest, they are where they are on cows. I don’t know why someone wanted to know that, since it’s the sort of thing you notice the first time you milk a goat, so I’m assuming I just helped something in the undertail tag.
And yes, Undertale does deserve the Game Of All Time (G.O.A.T.) award.
Lost in the mist of waking dream
Reality clouded in a smog of self-indulgence
Inner compass spinning out of whack
Navigation and choice of paths
Ignited by trends
Trends in-which you had no input
Domesticated, docile dolls you are
Cut the strings, go over the fence
Run while you still can
Don’t let the shepherd know
Is that the butcher? -kai
Ishtar despises the consumption of beef products, especially when done in excess (i.e, the rate of over-consumption in modern-day society). Culturally speaking, the people in Mesopotamia were the first society to domesticate cows (alongside sheep, goats, donkeys, oxens, and pigs). As such, these animals were considered somewhat sacred. Hence the Bull of Heaven, Gugalanna – which was worshiped in Mesopotamia pantheon. Additionally, cattle wasn’t usually slaughtered until the end of their working lives, which made consumption an uncommon occurrence.
Of course. While Ishtar would understand eating for the purpose of survival, she wouldn’t be exactly happy about it, especially if there’s a lack of respect given towards the slaughtered animal. That and if there is no dire necessity, she would put into question why the individual didn’t choose an alternative dietary option. Culture does play a part; however, it is also due to her relationship to Gugalanna.
Essentially. All and all. She finds the idea of eating beef disgusting.
Mouflon have red-brown, short-haired coats with dark back-stripes and light-colored saddle patches. The males are horned; some females are horned, while others are polled. The horns of mature rams are curved in almost one full revolution (up to 33 inches). Mouflon have shoulder heights of about 35 inches and body weights of 77-110 pounds.
Sheep are believed to have been domesticated for the first time over 10,000 years ago in the Fertile Crescent. Only one wild sheep species, the oriental mouflon, inhabits the Fertile Crescent. Genetic studies show that it has the same number of chromosomes (54) as all of the modern domestic sheep breeds, and is therefore their most likely ancestor. There are over 1,000 breeds of sheep worldwide, selectively bred primarily for wool or meat with a smaller number bred for milk. Domestic sheep typically have long tails (often docked, although some breeds do have naturally short tails) and come in a wide variety of colors. Depending on breed, domestic sheep may have no horns at all (i.e. polled), or horns in both sexes, or in males only. Most horned breeds have a single pair, but a few breeds may have several. Wool breeds have continuously growing coats that do not shed, while hair breeds have a coat similar to their wild ancestors that does not require shearing.