or: how every main character is referenced in this painting, and what it means for the game.
BIG SPOILERS FOR BOOK VI OF THE ARCANA
Nadia - the cheetah
Green, gold, and purple. Nadia has purple hair- for the purple dress, and green and gold ornaments, referenced in the collar.
Julian - the wolf
Notice that the fold of the wolf’s collar matches Julian’s shirt. Also note the connotation between wolves and Siberia- Siberian wolves are the ancestors of many modern day breeds. Siberia also holds large quantities of swamps, the general real-world equivalent of Julian’s home country (aside from the Russian). He’s also standing right behind Portia, the dove.
Portia - the dove
A blue dress that can be seen to match the shade of her eyes. Clasped hands, as Portia is often shown to emote in dialogue with the MC. The dove a domesticated creature- this ‘homely’ feeling is referenced several times in the game, notably with Portia’s pet Pepi, a housecat. *i was writing ‘duck’ and thought something was off and still thought it was a duck and then my life was saved thank lucio
Death - the bizarre horse skull
Get it, the bizarre skull in the backroom. Note that this is the skull of a horse, indicated the black mane and the ears. It’s worth mentioning that if the ears are disregarded, a stag skull would look extremely similar- in the death tarot card, the figure of the skull has no ears at all, perhaps this is a disguise?
Lucio - the goat
Or, the most obvious reference to the real thing.
Muriel - the bull
Nose ring in reference to their collar. Potentially also reflected in the spikes of their collar on Muriel’s avatar (two spikes are visible on their collar, referenced with the two horns of the bull). Also the general reflection of Muriel’s stature to the stature of the bull. In concept sketches Muriel also has broken chains around their wrist- with a similarly shaped chain link to the nose ring.
Asra - the lion
A golden armband on the lion’s arm, matching Asra’s choker. This also raises interesting questions related to Asra’s route. There is a painting of Lucio obtainable in the prologue where he wears a badge over his chest of a lion’s head. Potentially this foreshadows Muriel’s question to Asra in book VI; ‘and when he rips your heart out?’.
Note that the only ‘character’ not to look into the camera or have any details shown in the drawn painting is the pig, which we can presume to mean the common man, or Lucio’s subjects. Even so this still leaves the eagle and the cow unaccounted for.
I believe the eagle is Valerius- who was intimate with Lucio and remembers the events of Lucio’s murder. The cow might be a representation of the main character, or else a character who has not yet come into play- I might be missing something big though, the cow has some obvious relation to Muriel, and has several piercings and necklaces, wearing a green dress.
More importantly I’m interesting in the positioning of the characters.
I have 2 theories about this.
#1: everyone is on Lucio’s side of the table except for Asra and the skull. The spreading lines of light that radiate outwards from Lucio to other characters is his influence over them- he has some kind of control over them all except for Asra and the skull (perhaps because the skull is some form of death). Lucio has no control over Asra- Asra is implied to be the only character without memory loss, or perhaps the only character who is directly against Lucio.
I wondered on this point because if we’re getting more specific- the lines of light physically touch everyone except Asra, Nadia, ‘Valerius’ and the skull. The positioning still matters, but now lets look at where the lines stop.
Ergo theory #2.
The lines of light represent Lucio’s influence before his death. The light touches everyone who believes in him. The light doesn’t touch Valerius, who knows Lucio personally- potentially highlighting some more secrets about the courtier- secrets already implied in a branch of Nadia’s route, where the MC reads Valerius’ fate and reveals that he’s keeping… a ton of secrets. It doesn’t touch Asra, who detests Lucio. Nor Nadia, who knows her husband and from her vague recollections seems to think she wouldn’t have liked him. It doesn’t touch the ‘pig’, or the common people, because Lucio was selfish and had done enough to make many enemies everywhere, including amongst the people. And it doesn’t touch death, because death is coming for him.
That’s all for now, and I’ll be damned if this has already been done.
What are some of your issues with Palomancy? (You've mentioned not being 100% in agreement with them and I was just wondering)
I’m going to put the answer to this question under a readmore.
Before we go one word further, please keep in mind that Palomacy is currently the largest single network even attempting to advocate for he humane treatment of domestic Pigeons and Ringneck doves.
Palomacy stemmed from the parrot rescue, Mikaboo.
Their founder did not intend or want to advocate for pigeons, but was compelled by compassion after finding out that pigeons and doves in CA shelters were just being destroyed because no one knew what to do with them, and there was no one even trying to advocate for them.
They are an Animal Rights leaning group, but follow Animal Welfare practices, insisting that birds who cannot fend for themselves be cared for, rather than destroyed.
Palomacy does overwhelmingly more good than harm and makes every effort they know of to mitigate the known risks of potential harm.
What they need, and the birds in their care deserve, is support.
And after all the shit I’ve shared with you guys and I’ve seen and heard and experienced from other breeders, I really can’t blame them for being skeptical of a breeder’s word and research.
Hey, I see that MBTA info is heading around, and people who didn’t know about it are becoming aware! Which is always great; I love how responsible our community is!
And so, I’m gonna shamelessly throw together another domestic dove sale/trade post. S h a m e l e s s. I have feathers from both white and brown domestic ringneck doves, along with unfertilized eggs from my two females (who seem to have chosen each other as mates, instead of the two males competing for their attention). This species is 100% legal to have anything from (eggs, birds themselves, nests*, etc), as they do not live in the US except as pets. They’d die almost immediately, actually.
So yeah, if you’d be interested in buying/trading for some legal dove eggs or feathers, please do drop me a message! Please. I can’t bear to throw anything from these guys out, and they just do not stop.
*Doves craft notoriously awful nests that absolutely would not survive being lifted. Which is why my two ladies use a bowl.
Is the hummingbird protected under the MBTA? My grandparents found one frozen outside, but I don't know how to find out if it is till what to process.
Yes, hummingbirds are protected under the MBTA, so unfortunately you won’t be allowed to keep it’s remains. Here’s the list of birds excluded from the MBTA (the common names also have links to images of the birds):
(you guys sent in so many asks im posting all my answers to the ones you asked at once, so i dont take up your whole dashboard.)
chocolate marshmallow: favorite brands of candy?
not sure about brands, but i tried pop rocks and they changed everything i knew about reality and what food is
peach: how do you relax? sometimes i fight nazis. thats a nice way to vent steam. petting dogs or cats or birds or literally any other animal is a winner every time. making food is a good because its constructive and at the end i get food. sometimes steve and i go running. but not early in the morning because mornings are terrible.
coffee: favorite cosmetic brands? i dont wear much makeup but pepper breaks out some sephora stuff when we have to go on tv? i like OPI nail polish.
birthday cake: favorite books? i recently read and loved the harry potter books. im a hufflepuff, just so you know. (Mod Hell loves the Dresden Files, pretty much everything by David Webber or Robin McKinley or Tamora Pierce)
french vanilla: how old are you? buddy, i dont fuckin know anymore. a little under 100, by the books, but how the heck am i supposed to count the cryofreze?
(Mod Hell: I regularly forget my own age, but I’m pretty sure I’m 24)
fudge: turn offs? nazis. really not into nazis.
chocolate: when was your first kiss? i was…7, probably. grade school sometime. me and stevie saved this girl mary from a real jerk of a bully and she kissed both of us, one right after the other. sent stevie straight into an asthma attack, poor kid. but she was both of our first kisses.
neapolitan: things that stress you out? public speaking. steve inside any aircraft. trains. not having any weaponry. bad hair days.
bubblegum: books or movies? totally depends om my mood. movies, maybe, because they can be more of a group activity, but dont require a ton of social interaction.and the novelty of being able to watch films in your own home hasnt quite worn off. but i do like to read a lot.
toasted coconut: the beach or the pool?
my beach experiences involve either a lot of 1. storming +fighting nazis or 2. sand in my cool robot arm, which is not fun. so pools. even though im not buoyant enough to float anymore so i wear swim fins on my left arm.
mint chocolate chip: indoors or outdoors? outdoors, when the weather is right.
moose tracks: favorites for manga? orange sherbet: favorites for anime? i read fullmetal alchemist.and then watched the anime. all of it. it was really good, although i feel like clint only showed it to me because of the robot arm thing. its the only manga or anime ive experienced so far, but i really liked it!
blueberry lemon: favorite blogs?
i love @iguanamouth‘s crazy animals, and i follow a couple knitting blogs, as well as @dailybadjokes, just so i have some really terrible puns to use when nat breaks out her dad jokes.
superman: do you like sweaters? do i like sweaters. friend, i live in sweaters. i haveta knit em special though so they dont have a left sleeve because otherwise the plates in my arm catch on the knit.
blackberry: have you ever laughed so hard you cried? yes. the first time steve tried out the vibranium shield he missed the rebound and hit himself in the head with the flat side. he flew a good six feet through the air, knocked himself clean out. it was beautiful. i was crying. howard fell over, he was laughing so hard.
cherry: do you drink tea or coffee? yes. it is how i am alive.
raspberry truffle: favorite kind of music? i have a hard time with this one because im still learning so much about modern music. me and thor like listening to heavy metal, and i like tonys classic rock n’ roll, but im also really fond of the music of the 30s and 40s, the stuff i grew up with.
praline: a popular book you haven’t read yet? i havent gotten to game of thrones yet. people keep telling me such and such a character is gonna die, but im not sure how they can have that many dead characters and still have enough people for a book.
(Mod Hell has not, and never will, read Fifty Shades of Grey)
toffee: a card game that you’re good at? so far, all of them. but rummy is my game, friends. i will kick anyones ass at rummy.
(Mod Hell has an inexplicable affinity for Up the River/Down the River. And Irish Poker, if you wanna count that as a card game)
mango: when and why did you start your blog?
my therapist recommended i write about things that were happening in my life, and mentioned that blogging was a good way to do so. i dont think this was quite what she had in mind, but here we all are, so… anyways, this blog was started on october 10th, 2016.
rocky road: favorite songs at the moment? can i count the entire discography of pink floyd? tony recently introduced me to them and they’re pretty great.
(Mod Hell has been enjoying Down Like Silver’s Wolves, because my taste in music is very very morbid)
butter pecan: favorite songs for life?
this is a hard one. lately i have been enjoying fleurie’s ‘soldier’ because im a cliche sonovabitch
strawberry: a language you wish you could speak?
dog. do dogs talk? not sure but if they do i want in.
butterscotch: what color are your nails right now?
uhh… silver on the left, none on the right? except for my right pinkie, which is black because thor accidentally set his hammer down on my fingertip. so theres a blood blister there. gross. but they were red last week. me an nat had a nail night.
(Mod Hell is rocking a matte black and gold french manicure. I’m getting good at those!)
mint: the most embarrassing thing you’ve ever done?one time me an the howlies were having a night on the town and i drunkenly forgot steve was huge and i tried to pick him up (i mean literally lift him. i wasnt hitting on steve) because i thought he was still tiny. i failed. steve did not budge at all. and in the process of trying to regain my balance i overcompensated and fell into the thames. which wouldnt have been so bad if all the howlies and the girls we were with hadnt been right there laughing at me. its probably not the most embarrassing thing ive ever done but its the first that comes to mind.
(Mod Hell accidentally flashed a lifeguard once, so quickly I was never sure if he actually saw or not. Still super embarrassing.)
green tea: favorite flavors of ice cream? yes. all of them. now, please.
chocolate chip: what’s your most popular post? If you’re counting this blog, the “new years resolution: 1080p” post got picked up by a couple bigger blogs and is the frontrunner at 21,000+ notes. Original posts at hellenhighwater usually fade out at like 20 notes. So there’s a bit of a gap there.
black raspberry: do you have any pets? Oh man yeah. I have two cats, Nimitz and Yamamoto. Nim is small and black and puffy and made primarily of homicidal urges. She is the Terror of the Underbrush; the Reaper and Eater of Souls. Yamamoto is 23 pounds of superbly useless cat. Her favorite activity is slowly petting the stair banister post with her paw. I also have a mated pair of domestic Violet Ringneck doves named Vexation and Vendetta who live in my bedroom, though I’ll be building them an outdoor coop to vacation to in the summer. Vex and Ven are the most wonderful idiots. They live life like it’s a spanish soap opera. Everything is very dramatic and seductive and not in a language I understand.)
What are the biggest differences between doves and pigeons if we talk about behavior and intelligence? Say for example, collar dove vs rock pigeon. Can they learn the same things? Do they behave in different ways?
There are a couple of pretty drastic differences between Ringneck Doves and Pigeons having to do with their natural social structures and how they were domesticated.
Both species were domesticated about the same time for meat and their absolutely amazing fertilizer!
The wild ancestor of the domestic pigeon, the Rock Dove, nests in the sea side cliff faces of Turkey, Pakistan, and isolated parts of southern Europe and northern Africa.
They are social, cooperative colony nesters whose flocks are basically huge, extended families.
Rock doves bond to their home site because grain and water are fuckin’ scarce in a desert! They don’t just need to range a very long way to find those resources, they need to find their way back!
Doves gained their religious significance through the Rock Dove!
If you were lost in the desert, finding a pigeon could be the difference between life and death. It lead to potable water during the day, and back to safe, habitable shelter at night, and thus came to be known as Messengers of God.
Because of this Homing sense and instinctive bond to a specific home site, baby rock doves could be taken at around three to four weeks of age (self feeding, but not flight capable yet) and transplanted to a man made Dove Cote, which became the new Home site.
Rock Doves were the most self sufficient, cheapest live stock you could keep in early human civilization, because they could go forage for themselves and would unerringly return to the Cote at night, making them the only livestock that did not need to be fed by humans.
Babies raised in a Cote were much better protected from predators than wild squeakers, so when they reached sexual maturity, their mates would follow them back to raise the next generation of squeakers in safety, no more coaxing required than making sure enough pigeon holes were available to nest in.
A smart farmer harvested meat birds sparingly and at night, so pigeons never came to see their care taker as a part time predator and thus became more and more tame and friendly over time.
Smart, quick, agile birds were the most likely to evade predators in the field and make it back from foraging. With no benefit to breeding away from that, domestic pigeons also grew more intelligent over time.
Pigeons seem to be unique among columbids for their big, cooperative family structures. I don’t know of any other species that maintains a relationship with flock and family after pairing up with a mate.
The cocks actually take their weaned squeakers out on field trips to teach them not just to forrage for food, water, and nest materials, but how behave among other pigeons! He shows them how to defer to older, established flock members to prevent confrontations, as well as when and how to stick up for themselves so that they get enough of what they need!
Young pigeons only ever leave their flock when it outgrows the available resources. As long as there is enough to support all of them, each individual pair stays nearly, the equivalent to moving in next door or across the street to parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, siblings and grand parents.
Ringneck doves are more like song birds and other columbids in that their squeakers are chased off as soon as they wean! Didn’t quite pick up on self feeding? Guess you friggan starve, then! GTFO and NEVER come back!!!
They are viciously territorial and have no concept of Friend-who-is-not-my-mate.
As mentioned in a previous post, the Ringneck Dove that we kno today does not and has NEVER existed in the wild! It is an offshoot of the African Collared Dove, a very common plains resident in most of Africa.
Their abject lack of homing ability prevented them from being allowed to free forage, making them cage birds from the get-go.
Unlike clever pigons, who flourished in human care, clever, quick, agile African Collared Doves could time a rush to dodge out of a cage door cracked to feed them and escape, leaving duller, slower, less coordinated birds to continue to breed in human care.
There was no real focus on pigeons other than survival at the time, but the Ringneck Dove, bred exclusively to continue to breed and function in more and more confined spaces, has lost almost every survival instinct and are compltely helpless.
I am not exaggerating when I say that Ringnecks are confused by hallway corners.
I knocked a jar over in the dove room once by accident and came in the next morning to see one of my young cocks determinedly trying to phaze through the bottom of the jar by trying to walk through it.
The mountain range in miniature behind him made of poo proved that he had been doing this for at least 5 hours…
The jar was not as long as *he* was. It would have taken two steps backwards to free him.
Backing up does not occur to a Ringneck Dove with out something actively reaching for its face.
Pigeons, being innate pattern mappers, have been taught to genuinely read in english.
They are ALARMINGLY smart! And I honestly can’t think of much you couldn’t teach a pigeon with enough patience and consistency.
A ringneck dove will take months to recognize its name and will never understand verbal commands. They *seem* easy to train, but are in fact easy to *manipulate* and there is a pretty big difference between those two things.
A pigeon can come to understand the verbal command “Step Up” as “Stand on this.” and very much like a cat, will if it feels like it.
A ringneck dove cannot. It is triggered to step up, not by the command, but by physical contact with its lower legs, which compels it to step up onto the steadier, less impeded perch.
You've probably answered this a dozen times and I may have even read it a long time ago, but I don't recall. Of all the birds in all the gin joints in SoCal, why did you decide on getting satinette pigeons over, say, flying avocados or some other sort of feathered nerd baby?
I knew I wanted a medium-short beak breed so it wouldn’t be as harmful if it tried to peck me in the eye, because I’ve known pet pigeons to try that in the past and I really didn’t wanna get my eye poked out tryin’ to kiss a bird.
I was planning on looking for a Lucerne Gold Collar initially, because I thought they were the cutest
But they’re kind of rare and would probably have to be air-mailed, which I didn’t really want to do. I tried looking for pigeon rescues in LA (which don’t seem to be a thing like Palomacy is up in the Bay area) and ended up coming across a breeder selling satinettes. I went down to look at them but as soon as I held one I was just like “Oh no Brett, I need this animal” and bought them that day.
Fun fact, when I first saw them, they were going through their first big moult and had ugly little vulture faces. So I just kinda bought them on faith that they’d be cute again in a couple weeks. I was just so charmed by them I didn’t even need the cute faces to sell me.
(why not flying avocados is kind of a different matter, though, all fancy pigeons are domesticated rock doves, but those crazy colourful tropical doves are a different species completely. I guess it’s kind of like saying “why did you get a satinette chicken instead of a sage grouse?” or “why did you get a French bulldog instead of a wild fox?)
I noticed that you often talk about intelligence in pigeons and doves, and the difference between the two. I'd like a clarification of the difference in smarts between pigeons and doves. I know pigeons are very intelligent, but how smart are the little doves in comparison?
Oh, lord, not very.
So, pigeons are the way they are because of how they were domesticated. They still went out and forraged for themselves, so the less clever and less agile birds were the easiest for predators to catch.
Selection favored smart pigeons.
Doves, lacking homing sense and incapable of returning if allowed to go forrage, had to be caged.
Clever doves could evade and time their rush at the opening cage door to escape. Leaving the less clever and less flighty in the cages.
The smaller space a pair could tolerate living in, the more doves could be kept. And the less flighty, the less likely to escape.
Throusands of years of selection for confinement tolerence and away from flightiness has left the domestic Ringneck dove very docile and simple to care for, but completely lacking survival instncts.
If they fall or wander behind something and can’t turn around, they will continue plodding forward if they can see or sit down if they can’t. (This makes it so dangerous to let a dove free fly unsupervised.)
This is not hyperbole. They knocked a plastic jar over in the bird room once and when I came in that morning to feed them, there was one in the jar, futilly attempting to plod his way through the bottom with enough poo built up in a perfect formation behind him to indicate that he had been doing that for HOURS.
The jar was not even as long has his body. Three steps backwards, and he’d have been out. Backing up just doesn’t occur to Ringnecks unless something is actively reaching for one’s face.
God bless them, they’re as sweet as they are cute, but they do NOT know how to bird anymore.
I’m hoping this photo actually works. This is a picture of the house I built/modified from an entertainment center for my mated pair of rescue ringnecks, Arson&Anarchy. (Pictured here being very confused.) Their house is about 20x30x42" in the actual cage area–the whole thing is around seven feet tall, and the perches in it are from my apple tree. There’s a no-heat plant fluorescent in the top, and the christmas lights are LED, so nothing overheats, and there’s a window next to it so they get some sunlight. The sides are welded wire but the doors are super-fine black silk, which has a little more give for their wingtips, and also makes my black cat a little harder to spot when she comes into the room. (She’s not at all interested in the birds, and they grew up in a household with cats so they’re acclimated, but I figured the less stress the better.) They have a 9-inch glass pie dish for water and baths, and a ceramic candy dish for food, plus a hanging thing of granite grit.
I’ve only had them for a month, and I’m not around much as I study for finals, but so far they seem to be settling in okay. Arson has finally figured out the nest basket and stopped laying eggs off the perches, and is currently brooding a pair of fake eggs. I let them free-fly in the room while I do cage cleaning, and hopefully once I’m at the library less I’ll have more time to let them out.
I was thinking about getting a big parrot cage off craigslist to put outside on the deck in partial shade so they can get fresh air and sun sometimes.
I’m a very novice dove owner, and I’d love to spoil these guys rotten after the rough time they had growing up. Is there anything I should change to make this setup better for them? I know this is a lot to go over, and I totally understand if you don’t have time, but I would really appreciate the reassurance of someone spot-checking my caretaking decisions. Thank you!
This is really an amazing enclosure! Spacious, beautiful, mostly comfortable.
The only things I would change are the grit and the nest basket.
Granite is made by leeching the calcium *out* of lime stone. It’s good for birds like chickens, who have a very muscular crop that grinds food.
A dove’s crop is not muscular and does no grinding. It’s just a stretchy sack of skin that holds food.
Their gizzard does all the grinding and it doesn’t need any mechanical aid.
Doves need grit pretty strictly as a calcium source, so avoid granite.
Oyster shell is pretty much pure calcium.
They’ve figured out the basket, but it may still be a problem.
Domestic doves are not especially bright, but this had nothing to do with not getting it and everything to do with fearful avoidance!
Doves are not cavity nesters.
They are open top cup nesters.
Doves won’t usually approach a cavity for *several* reasons!
Doves can’t see in the relative dark of a covered space.
Doves can’t maneuver comfortably in a confined space.
Only one exit. If found by a predator, they could flee in any direction off an open nest, but would be trapped in a cavity.
Predators are more likely to already be in a dark cavity than out in the open.
All these add up to a driving instinctual fear of such places!
Absolute desperation is what got them in there!
They *have* to set to recover from laying. Eggs will come when they come and the doves have no say in the matter.
When there is no safe place to set, they have no choice but to lay where they stand, which prevents them from setting and kich starts new egg production before she’s had the chance to recover.
After they finish brooding, it’ll be about 50/50 whether they’ll see the cavern as safe from now on, or go back to avoiding it until desperation drives them back in.
What is the difference in intelligence between domestic pigeons and doves? I'm trying to decide whether to get one or the other. What are the general pros and cons of one vs the other?
Night and day.
Pigeons are intensely social birds that live year round in large, cooperative flocks that are structured like a HUGE Human extended family.
Flocks are lead by what amounts to a board of directors that small groups of pigeons, usually 3-5, follow directly. Each of those 3-5 birds is followed by a single bird, who is followed by a single bird, and so on and so forth down the chain of command, which makes the passage of information on the wing a lightning-fast affair!
Pigeon society is democratic, and leaders assume power by merit.
The bird who is the most skilled at any given task leads missions related to that task, and then the bird best at navigation leads home.
Pigeons vote on EVERYTHING! From when they leave, to mission tasks, to when they come home and in how large a group they travel.
They can and do vote out bad leaders by refusing to follow if their direction or logic does not line up with what that individual considers to be correct.
Pigeon children are only EVER chased out of the flock when there are not enough resources to support every one anymore.
Otherwise, they are encouraged to nest and stay nearby and add to the network of cooperation that is the flock.
The ancestral Rock Dove is a desert dwelling cliff nester that eats grain and needs daily allowances of fresh water.
Because of their instinct to bond to a specific Home site, Pigeons were domesticated more like Dogs than any other domesticated species: Brought into human habitations, but allowed to forage for themselves, since they could be trusted to unerringly return.
Slow, clumsy birds who were not very bright were easy kills in the field, leaving the faster, quicker-witted pigeons to carry on the population.
Domesticated Pigeons are the cognitive equivalent of a 5 year old human child.
Where parrots and corvids are mechanically adept and avid mimics, Pigeons are phenomenal Pattern Mappers.
Pigeons brains are wired exactly like a toddler’s.
They can learn to categorize objects, read written words, and understand spoken words, if they are trained like small children: with emphasis on naming objects, people, places, actions, and concepts.
Owning a pet pigeon is like having a nonverbal precocious toddler with wings that can learn to understand you, but not speak to you and is practiacally hatchd with an intimate understanding of EXACTLY how much faster and more maneuverable it is than you.
Ringneck Doves are complete opposites.
Almost completely antisocial, EVERY interaction between a Ringneck Dove and any bird that is NOT its mate is inherently aggressive!
Unlike pigeons, who nest communally, Ringnecks nest singly.
BOTH sexes fight for the nest, because EVERYthing comes with the nest!
If another cock comes along and manages to beat up the resident, he gets both the nest AND the hen, who stays with the stronger cock.
If another hen comes along, she will not box or stab like the cocks will. She will settle into the nest and try her hardest to elbow out the resident hen, because if she can do that, she gets not just the best nest, but the COCK strong enough to defend it!
EVERY single meeting between non-mated Ringnecks is a competition.
Adults battle, some times to the death, over the nest.
Cocks can gouge out eachothers eyes and tear eachothers scalps, necks, and faces bloody.
It’s a war of attrition between hens who only push rather than trading plows, but since the first one to leave loses, the hens can die of dehydration or starvation while trying to hold out.
Ringnecks fucking HATE other birds!
They will even attack their own weaned children the second they no longer need to be fed to drive them of.
Weaned children are competing with the pair’s next clutch over available food, and the resident pair won’t tolerate THAT shit either!
Ringnecks have no homing sense, so they could not be trusted to go out and forage like Pigeons could.
Being domesticated in a cage meant that the smart, agile ones escaped, leaving the less bright, less agile, and less flighty birds behind to breed.
Over thousands of years, being bred EXCLUSIVELY for confinement tolerance, Ringneck doves have lost ALL survival instincts except “fly away VERY fast!” and responding to the sight of any Ringneck dove other than its mate with “I’ll rip your face clean off!”
Pigeons recognize humans as individuals the way we recognize eachother, and are smart and social enough to form genuinely meaningful bonds of friendship with us. And they are smart enough to be legitimately capable of learning to understand our spoken and written communication.
Human-social pigeons see humans as individuals and will give each different human its own status, with the closest interspecies relationship being formed exclusively with the person it spends the most time around.
They can safely be kept in groups as long as each mated pair has its own nest space.
Ringnecks Doves see us either as monsters that are going to eat them, or moving trees that dispense treats and pet them some times, with absolutely nothing in between.
Human-social Ringneck Doves are sweet and content to be held and stroked by a human handler, but they are almost completely antisocial, MUST be kept either alone or in pairs, and can’t really differentiate between humans that well.
Hi! For a long time I’ve known I want a birdy companion of some sort, but after looking into parrots, I’ve decided a domestic bird (doves) would be more my style. I know ringnecks are a good beginner species, but are there any other specific breeds that you would recommend for first time dove keepers? Thank you!!
If by doves you are specifying not-pigeons, then ringnecks are pretty much it. No other dove species is genuinely domesticated, so you would be more like the curator of a zoo exhibit than the care taker of a companion animal.
If you were using the term Dove to specify the Columbidae in general, then I could suggest a few pigeon breeds.