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neverlands-lost-boys-deactivate  asked:

Could you explain the difference between a did system and a natural system?

This is actually a bit of a loaded question.

DID/OSDD-1 systems are collections of alters or parts that experience a complex array of dissociative symptoms such as depersonalization, derealization, amnesia, identity confusion, and identity alteration. DID/OSDD-1 systems are usually traumagenic, or the result of long term or repeated relatively severe childhood trauma (DID especially is associated with severe childhood trauma such as neglect or abuse). Sometimes, presentations similar to DID/OSDD-1 can be the result of iatrogensis, or professional influences, or of sociocognitive influences such as the media, friends, or support groups. Finally, pseudogenic DID can also result from someone with a disorder such as BPD mistaking their condition for DID and so assuming the social role of a DID trauma survivor. DID especially is almost always comorbid with PTSD or C-PTSD, and both disorders are frequently comorbid with depressive, bipolar, anxiety, obsessive compulsive, or feeding and eating disorders or with addiction or substance abuse problems.

Natural systems are systems that claim to have neither DID nor OSDD-1. In some cases, this label may simply be mistakenly applied to DID/OSDD-1 systems due to a variety of possible misunderstandings. For example, a system may decide that they must be natural because they experience no time loss or amnesia, not realizing that OSDD-1 requires neither. Other systems may not remember any childhood trauma or not realize that what childhood trauma they have experienced is significant or “bad enough.” Again, they may not be aware that even if their trauma wasn’t long term, repeated, or the type of trauma that most often causes DID, it might still have caused OSDD-1, especially if it was combined with other factors.

Often, “natural multiples” are on the autism spectrum, and it’s possible that developmental abnormalities present in ASD may make it more likely for an individual to fail to integrate a single perception of self. ASD and other childhood disorders naturally make life more difficult and, in the case of ASD, make victimization more likely, increasing the chances of DID or OSDD-1 being developed.

Finally, some individuals call themselves “natural multiples” because even though they know that they’ve survived significant trauma as a child, they don’t attribute their multiplicity to that trauma. In this case, they may be unaware of the theory of structural dissociation and its premise that DID/OSDD-1 form from a lack of integration of parts, potentially contributing to the illusion that multiple fully developed individuals were present from the beginning of the individual’s life (the “illusion” being that alters or even non-dissociative individuals are ever fully developed from the beginning). In reality, it’s likely that these systems simply picked up on the fact that there was never one original personality but don’t realize that had they not experienced trauma, all of their parts naturally would have integrated into one stable identity as they got older and developed.

However, some systems insist that they never survived any trauma at all and simply are multiple. Others go further and insist that their multiplicity formed during adulthood or during their teenage years, neither of which are possibilities for DID or DID-like OSDD-1. Views on how this is possible are mixed. Some believe that in some cases, multiplicity can be simply a natural state of being. Others think that individuals who hold these beliefs are mistaken and that their experiences are actually attributable to other disorders or conditions. Finally, some believe that these “natural systems” are flat out faking or taking imaginary games too far. This blog is not the place for discussing which of these options is most likely or might apply to individual Tumblr users.

It should be noted that some individuals are neither neatly DID/OSDD-1 nor natural systems. These individuals may or may not believe that their experiences are trauma/dissociation based, but they reject the idea that their experiences are inherently disordered and so fit the labels of DID or OSDD-1. These individuals may also object to the implications of their others being labeled alters, parts, or self states. Again, these individuals may fit into any of the above categories.

I hope that this answers your question, and I hope that you and others find nothing within this post to be distressing, offensive, or otherwise upsetting. Again, this is a very loaded and controversial topic within both communities.

-Katherine of Those Interrupted

anonymous asked:

do u know of any good mental health blogs for conditions like dissociative disorders, ptsd, depression, anxiety, and ocd?

Most blog links are gathered on the links and resources page though it’s not exhaustive. Anyone who has something to recommend, please feel free to share.

Dissociation blogs:




- Mod Alex

anonymous asked:

do you guys know of any other blogs like this one, but that focus more on psychosis, paranoia, and derealization rather than mostly depression/anxiety?

Hi Anon,

Check out these links from our Helpful Resources page!

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anonymous asked:

is there any way we could know if we we're accidentally faking?

Faking is a conscious action, not something that you could do accidently. Any concern in that regard should cement that you are in no way deliberately seeking to deceive. That said, it is possible for someone to mistakenly believe that they have a disorder that they don’t, and we can’t necessarily reassure you that this isn’t the case for you without more information. There are ways for you to try to reality check yourself, though!

In general, there are certain signs that can indicate that someone’s experience of a disorder is genuine. For example, it’s a “good” thing when symptoms were present before you had a name for them or knew what was causing them. That doesn’t mean that all symptoms that you now experience had to have been crystal clear for years, just that nothing major seemed to begin out of the blue when you were diagnosed with or began to suspect that you had your disorder. You should be able to clearly see how the diagnosis was warranted. Another similar good indication is having symptoms or certain experiences that you only later learn are associated with the disorder.

Watch out for symptoms or experiences that drastically differ from what’s normally expected from the disorder or seem more in line with another condition. Be honest with yourself about whether or not certain symptoms feel like a response to friends talking about the same or even feel like mimicries of media portrayals. Consider if you would have any reason to latch onto your particular disorder or its symptoms. Think about whether you’ve made any similar self diagnoses in the past that might have turned out to be unlikely or, on the flip side, whether you’ve received many other diagnoses that turned out to be false and narrowed the playing field for what might actually be responsible for your experiences. Think about the situations that tend to trigger your symptoms or to cause them to increase in severity or frequency; are they largely social, convenient, or demonstrative, or are they frustratingly out of control or something that you actively work to manage?

Outside people can also be good judges. Your treating professional’s opinion is probably the most important, especially if they have prior experience working with dissociative disorders. If you got formally diagnosed by a diagnostician who specializes in dissociative disorders, that’s a really good sign! Having friends who are able to reassure you that your symptoms show internal consistency, seem to make sense, and are responded to in what seems like a reasonable manner could also help. (Though, of course, don’t ask friends for reassurance in those areas directly! Just pay attention to whether or not people seem to find anything about your presentation weird in those regards.)

That said, social media and family might not be the best source of validation. With the former, websites such as Tumblr can be too quick to validate obviously incorrect self diagnoses. With the latter, even professional diagnoses might be ignored by family, especially if the diagnosis is one like DID or OSDD-1 that might implicate them and their treatment of you. Keep in mind that some family members might be willing to outright lie in order to make you doubt the validity of your disorder and any possible trauma memories. Try not to let something like that get to you.

With that said, there are times when even professionals might not be the best source of validation. Sometimes, professionals without experience treating dissociative disorders might be quick to deny their legitimacy or might assume that they’re extremely rare, too rare for you to have. On the other hand, some professionals are quick to push a dissociative disorder diagnosis when it isn’t appropriate to do so. This is mostly a problem regarding DID and possibly OSDD-1. In this case, look out for warning signs such as the professional assigning to you symptoms that don’t seem to fit, your statements being twisted in order to support a particular diagnosis, symptoms that don’t fit the chosen diagnosis being ignored, or an almost fetishistic interest in the diagnosis. In either case, seeking a second opinion and possibly a new professional to work with might be beneficial.

Finally, recognize that any doubts that you might have are common. Denial is frequent for individuals with many health conditions, particularly severe or marginalized conditions especially. Because conditions like DID and OSDD-1 are also associated with childhood trauma, almost everyone with those disorders experience denial at some point or another. Your fears don’t necessarily mean anything. Even if you start grasping at reasons for why your diagnosis can’t fit, those reasons might not be valid, accurate, or tell the whole story. Try to be gentle with yourself.

Take care,

-Katherine of Those Interrupted

anonymous asked:

What is the difference between PTSD and CPTSD

Before I say anything, I would like to note that neither the DSM-5 nor the ICD-10 recognize complex posttraumatic stress disorder (C-PTSD) as a diagnosis separate from posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD). However, C-PTSD has been proposed for inclusion in the ICD-11, and there is some research that surrounds it.

PTSD is a posttraumatic stress disorder that can follow any trauma that involves “exposure to actual or threatened death, serious injury, or sexual violence.” In contrast, C-PTSD is a posttraumatic stress disorder that can follow exposure to an event or series of events that are extreme, prolonged or repetitive, and extremely threatening or horrific or from chronic trauma that the victim cannot escape. C-PTSD involves all of the core symptoms of PTSD (traumatic intrusions, avoidance, negative alterations in cognition and mood, and marked alterations in arousal and reactivity) in addition to distorted perceptions of the trauma’s perpetrator (such as “attributing total power to the perpetrator, becoming preoccupied with the relationship to the perpetrator, or [becoming] preoccupied with revenge”). It also involves many criteria that are technically present within the DSM-5 diagnosis of PTSD but which are clustered in a way that does a poor job of representing how those who have survived chronic trauma can suffer from symptoms that those who survived more simple traumas often don’t.

For example, the DSM-5 includes within the PTSD diagnosis problems with affect regulation (such as anger and hurt feelings), negative self-concept (such as feelings of worthlessness and guilt), and interpersonal disturbances (such as having difficulty getting close to others and feeling disconnected from others). The dissociative subtype also acknowledges how depersonalization and derealization can play a role, and dissociative amnesia is acknowledged as part of the general PTSD diagnosis.

However, even if the DSM-5 diagnosis of PTSD can technically include all of the traits that would lead to an individual being diagnosed with C-PTSD, C-PTSD remains a more descriptive diagnosis for such individuals. For example, an individual with PTSD could easily have no “persistent and exaggerated negative beliefs or expectations about oneself, others, or the world,” no “persistent negative emotional state,” and no “feelings of detachment or estrangement from others,” but even if they do, this may not match the experience of someone with C-PTSD who has problems with self perception that include “helplessness, shame, guilt, stigma, and a sense of being completely different from other human beings”; problems with relationships to others that include “isolation, distrust, or a repeated search for a rescuer”; and problems with one’s system of meanings that include a “loss of [one’s] faith or a sense of hopelessness and despair.” Similarly, even if someone with PTSD has a “persistent inability to experience positive emotions“ or “marked alterations in arousal and reactivity” that include “irritable behavior and angry outbursts,” this may not fully capture the experience of someone with C-PTSD who has “persistent sadness, suicidal thoughts, explosive anger, or inhibited anger.”

Part of the problem arises from the fact that C-PTSD can easily be mistaken for borderline personality disorder (BPD), further complicated by the fact that BPD and PTSD are often co-morbid. However, there are differences between C-PTSD and BPD. For example, the emotional instability of those with C-PTSD is less likely to be expressed in self harm or suicidal behaviors, the negative self concept of those with C-PTSD is stable rather than shifting, the interpersonal problems of C-PTSD are expressed more as feelings of isolation than as fear of abandonment and shifting idealization and devaluation, and BPD does not require dissociation. Attempting to collapse C-PTSD into PTSD may contribute to confusing the symptoms of C-PTSD for symptoms of BPD and so lead to false diagnoses of the latter.

More information about C-PTSD can be found at the following:




For comparison, information about PTSD can be found here.

I hope that this helps!

-Katherine of Those Interrupted

wow thanks that’s exactly what I wanted

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anonymous asked:

does being in an unhealthy home environment for a majority of your life count as trauma? there was a lot of borderline violence between my parents, as well as emotional and verbal abuse towards me. i have did and i'm trying to understand why.

Yes, it does.

I cannot stress this enough. Verbal and emotional abuse are abuse. All types of abuse are “valid” types of abuse. All abuse can be traumatic. Other traumas, such as neglect, bullying, medical trauma, witnessing domestic violence, being in an unstable living situation, witnessing war or terrorism, or having a loved one die unexpectedly are also valid, as are numerous other potential traumas.

Trauma alone can’t cause DID, of course. For DID to develop, trauma must be repeated or long-term, begin before ages 6-9, be something that the child can’t get support for (most often because of disorganized or insecure attachment to parents), and combine with sufficient natural dissociative ability. However, if all of those factors are met, it does no one any good to ruminate over whether the trauma was “severe” enough. Different people have different thresholds for trauma, children especially. This is even more true for children who are mentally ill, disabled, living in poverty, experiencing multiple types of trauma or trauma from multiple perpetrators, or otherwise vulnerable.

DID is most often associated with physical abuse, sexual abuse, and neglect, but other types of abuse, such as verbal and emotional abuse, are also frequently associated with DID. The DSM-5 attributes 90% of cases of DID to child abuse or neglect but also associates DID with long-term/repeated medical trauma, living in a war torn environment or an environment heavily influenced by terrorism, and human trafficking. None of these possibilities are any more or less valid than others even if they don’t present in ways people would immediately associate with DID.

For example, emotional neglect or parentification (forcing a child into a caretaker role for their parents) can be just as damaging as physical neglect or abandonment. Religious and spiritual abuse can be “bad enough” even if they aren’t immediately obvious as emotional or verbal abuse and aren’t combined with physical or sexual abuse. Witnessing abuse and violence and being powerless to protect oneself or others can have many of the same effects in a child as being a direct victim. Even traumas that occur later in a child’s life, such as being severely bullied, can highlight traumas that have present since childhood, such as parental apathy or inability to properly support or show care for the child. Abuse is abuse, and trauma is trauma.

Take care of yourself, okay?

-Katherine of Those Interrupted

anonymous asked:

DID can form at any age not only just 6-9. stop lying and making us feel like we're not valid. thanks.

Unless anyone has reputable sources stating that DID can develop past early childhood, the mods of this blog stand by the assertion that it cannot develop past ages 6-9 (Katherine’s post about it is here). Both research and reputable online sources agree on this fact. The reason why this is a necessity is due to the fact that DID develops during a critical stage in a child’s development before they have developed a unified and cohesive sense of self. The brain develops at different rates and different areas of the brain develop first. Young children are highly dissociative due to which areas of the brain have yet to fully develop, including the areas associated with integrating experiences into a sense of self - the prefrontal cortices and hippocampus. The disorder can reveal itself at any age due to a number of factors, but this is not the same as the disorder developing later in life. The disorder will have already been there, it was just triggered into being made more obvious and noticeable.

The following is from the DSM 5, explaining how DID can be triggered into its full form at later stages in life and how it presents differently at different ages, giving the illusion that it developed later:

Dissociative identity disorder is associated with overwhelming experiences, traumatic events, and/or abuse occurring in childhood. The full disorder may first manifest at almost any age (from earliest childhood to late life). Dissociation in children may generate problems with memory, concentration, attachment, and traumatic play. Nevertheless, children usually do not present with identity changes; instead they present primarily with overlap and interference among mental states (Criterion A phenomena), with symptoms related to discontinuities of experience. Sudden changes in identity during adolescence may appear to be just adolescent turmoil or the early stages of another mental disorder. Older individuals may present to treatment with what appear to be late-life mood disorders, obsessive-compulsive disorder, paranoia, psychotic mood disorders, or even cognitive disorders due to dissociative amnesia. In some cases, disruptive affects and memories may
increasingly intrude into awareness with advancing age.

Psychological decompensation and overt changes in identity may be triggered by 1) removal from the traumatizing situation (e.g., through leaving home); 2) the individual’s children reaching the same age at which the individual was originally abused or traumatized; 3) later traumatic experiences, even seemingly inconsequential ones, like a minor motor vehicle accident; or 4) the death of, or the onset of a fatal illness in, their abuser(s).

The following is a scientific source from one of the DID researchers responsible for the theory of structural dissociation and one of the authors of The Haunted Self, Ellert Nijenhuis.

In infants, emotional and other mental systems seem to operate in relatively unintegrated ways. While infants rather automatically move from one to another state (as manifestations of different mental (sub)systems), over time, with adequate caregiving and attachment, they gradually learn to exert more volitional control over the various states. The sense of self is still highly state-dependent (Wolf, 1990; Wolff, 1987), and for young children the experience of an emotional state is closely tied to, if not synonymous with active behaviors. The relatively low integrative level of young children can be related to the fact that brain regions that have major integrative functions, such as the prefrontal cortices and the hippocampus, have not yet fully matured. Full maturation of the orbitofrontal and prefrontal cortex requires many years (Benes, 1998).


Trauma may interfere with this developmental process (Putnam, 1997): the child will have difficulty integrating action systems, and constructing cohesive autonoetic consciousness and episodic memory. As Perry and his colleagues (Perry, 1999; Perry, Pollard, Blakely, Baker, & Vigilante, 1995) have argued, repeated activation of specific trauma-related states, or, in our terms, EPs, leads to neurobiological “hard-wiring” of the brain. In particular, the wiring of the developing brain seems to be dependent on the childis life experiences, with the first six years of life as a critical period.


Several psychological data are also suggestive of a potential causal relationship between severe traumatization in early childhood, and compromized integrative functions. For example, younger children had more PTSD symptoms than adolescents (Anthony, Lonigan, & Hecht, 1999), and the severity of psychoform and somatoform dissociation among DID patients and psychiatric controls were best predicted by reported trauma during the first six years of life (Draijer & Boon, 1993; Nijenhuis, Spinhoven et al., 1998).


I apologize if this makes you feel like you are invalid. However, if you truly feel that your multiplicity developed later in life, not that it simply revealed itself later, there is likely a different cause for it than DID.

-J (of SN)

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I can’t be the only one who’s heard this, right? Like you tell someone who, even if they’re not neurotypical, is neither psychotic nor dissociative, about dissociating and they’re like “Lol same here I zone out all the time” and you’re just like “….No.”
Especially those people who are all like “We’re all mentally ill in some way” and think staying up late at night thinking about the meaning of life is “madness” or “insanity”.

instantaneous-epoch-deactivated  asked:

So I'm really struggling to find informative videos on youtube for people who have an easier time with video than reading swaths of information. But I'm really struggling to find something that seems accurate or.. not damaging in anyway. Crash course psychology by John Greene, Kati Morton's video, and a video by Khan Academy all don't seem to really convey the disorder in the proper light and idk where to look. any suggestions?

I actually have four YouTube channels that focus on DID listed on the resources page of my website. These are:

  • Multiplicity and Me: The YouTube channel of @multiplicityandme. This channgel contains a video of the system’s presentation about DID and a documentary in which the system was featured as well as three more personal videos
  • Donna Williams: This channel contains vdeos about alters, gender identity, integration, and other such topics
  • Carol Anne: This channgelc ontains vlogs by various alters about therapy, self advocacy, and daily life
  • Tomi Jameson: This channel contains vlogs by various alters about a variety of topics related to daily life, DID, trauma, and healing

I hope that this helps!

-Katherine of Those Interrupted