how is it “self-flagellating” to criticize our community for our antiblackness? how is it “self-flagellating” to say that far too many in the east asian community think that we’ve assimilated into whiteness when we’ve been whittled down to “ninja kungfu fighting” caricatures with “funny” accents by the very same people we keep whitesplaining for? don’t come to me with your analysis on how we’re second class citizens to white people and then stay quiet when it comes to antiblackness among our own. you’ll yell to the heavens about needing “poc solidarity” because you want black people to do the fighting for you and in the same breath talk about how it isn’t our job to address their suffering. news flash: black people don’t owe us anything and antiblackness hurts us too. poc solidarity is a myth because of our silence about the suffering of black people.
wakanda as an insular nation and an insular culture is so fascinating (beyond and outside of shipping, not to say that the issues that shipping brings up aren’t important) because it provides is for a speculative history without getting into the problems that most speculative history concepts have
what was it that led to wakanda to become an insular nation? how did its eighteen tribes unify and agree upon becoming an insular nation?
how did they fight off colonialism and was colonialism the impetus to the insular culture? what sort of stories are told to children growing up in wakanda? other than the black panther, who are its major cultural heroes? are all of its tribes represented among its historic heroes?
if wakanda is an insular nation, what does this mean for migration and immigration? is there a wakandan diaspora? are there multiple wakandan diasporas?
are there historic wakandan districts in new york and london?
who counts as wakandan? are there second- or third- generation wakandan kids who want to visit their cultural homeland but aren’t seen by wakandans in wakanda as “wakandan” and are thus barred from entry?
wakanda is just such a wealth of possibility and i’m really excited to see where the mcu takes it
This bitch got mad cuz I said Black British was not a monolithic culture and it includes various people from the diaspora. Talking about I said “Black British” isn’t a culture in itself. No, you stupid bitch. I said it includes multiple groups of people from parts of the world including East and West Africa and the Caribbean! Anyone would tell you that, you just felt like arguing with an African-American because you wanted to seem smarter.
it’s frustrating when us people belonging to the diaspora spend a lot of time convincing people that our countries are “advanced” or romanticizing aspects of “our” countries when the people that actually live in those countries themselves are demanding change on the daily.
it’s almost like when we spend time talking about how great (for example) pakistan is and decrying all criticism towards pakistan we also end up throwing actual, native pakistanis making the same criticisms under the bus. People that have been born in and lived in pakistan for their entire lives can tell you about their struggles and how much they want change and their grievances with the state, and a thousand miles away diaspora kids will talk about how negative portrayals of pakistan are a western phenomenon…while actual pakistanis are the ones making those criticisms.
We talk over ACTUAL indians/pakistanis/bangladeshis etc all the live long day and we should just remember that the problems of south asians in south asia should take precedence over whatever love story we have with our “home” countries that we treat like vacation spots.
What are your thoughts of people (whether they are from the specific diaspora or not), talking down to diaspora?
I think about this SO often– it’s only happened to me *directly* a few times where I’ve gone to visit my parents’ villages and family and friends subtly discredit us being “from” there. My parents grew up there and then immigrated. For me, I was born in Canada, but try to hold on strongly to my cultural identity– so being “othered” while I’m in Punjab sucks. At the same time, I understand it: I’m privileged, I have a different day-to-day reality. This is the constant indirect experience of being “othered” by our own communities; a constant internal struggle of diaspora. Having to work through your own feelings of simultaneous belonging/exclusion in the place you live in AND the place your family is displaced from.
But identities transcend borders and the limitations to those identities that are put on us by history. So as diaspora, we have to constantly remind ourselves that we belong; that we are “forced diaspora” and that while we might have different responsibilities to our communities (to understand our relative privileges and act accordingly to support them), our communities’ collective identities reaches beyond borders to include the people we’ve been detached from as well.
To not communicate through a shared language or not share the same land are all deliberate lasting processes of colonialism– that is a collective experience that links us to our motherlands and we need to use that to bind us closer to our segregated communities.
Hello :) first of all, thank you all for your hard work. The gist of my question is whether or not it would be inappropriate in my story for people to use weapons that technically don't align with their own ethnicity (and that don't have significant ceremonial or religious significance). For example, would it be ok for a black character to wield a samurai sword, a latina character to use a katar (a south asian dagger), for a white character to use a kukri (a Nepalese knife), etc.
Wielding Weapons from Different Cultural/Ethnic Groups
I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn’t think so, depending on the context. How did your characters come across these weapons, for one thing? That would be an answer that would probably be critical in deciding whether or not something was problematic.
There are no blanket rules in regards to culture and appropriation.(e.g.“no African diaspora warriors with katanas!”) but rather make sure the context supports an idea vs. just being there for exoticism and coolness factors.
Right! Like are they using a kukri because it suits their fighting style best? Because the person they trained with preferred kukris? Also, diaspora exist. We’ve talked about Yasuke, the African samurai before. There are many cases where people immigrate and assimilate. Context matters.
but if you really wanna act like that movie could have been made in the U.S. by an African American slave-descended director or screenwriter
and received the same amount of institutional support and publicity
when Danny Glover had to leave the fucking country to get funds for his movie about Haiti
and when the last major movie about slavery was a fucking Tarantino spaghetti western that had as its narrative and dramatic climax NOT the killing of the slave owner but the torture and murder of a Black slave (samuel l jackson’s character)
(seriously. that’s the note that movie ends on. and jamie foxx’s character wasn’t even the one who killed the slave maser, of course a white person had to do that too)
be my guest. just don’t demand expect the rest of us to live in la-la land with you.
what does it mean when ‘the homeland’ does not feel like home at all?
I know what it means - it means that when you don’t grow up somewhere, it makes total sense to not feel the same sense of attachment to it as someone who did grow up there would.
but idk!!! for a while i felt so out of place bc it seemed like 'authenticity’ was measured in ~activist spaces~ or whatever as like, a real desire for the homeland, for feeling home in the homeland, etc
but I know with so much of me that that could never happen for me. going back to india, to keep it to the truest sense of homeland, would be nothing like here for me (i know for other people it would be different, just cuz of where you’d be living, but u know)
and all my memories of trying to speak malayalam are just full of like shame and being made fun of (which for sure was magnified by being a self conscious kid but i mean, come on, what kid doesn’t find that hurtful). how is that home?
and i grew up here. and everyone i love is here. (w/ the exception of extended family. but isn’t that a different kind of love? i don’t really know them, you know). and 99% of what I know i learned here.
this is why i found it kind of hard to believe that people were really being real about all that talk about the homeland even though i know other people’s experiences are different and i shouldn’t be a jerk lol
hey, don’t hide behind the term hyphenated-Chinese and talk about diaspora like you are the only one who’s experienced it. As a Chinese (CN) american with a background in Asian American studies, this is all I studied for four years. You can whip out your arguments about the yellow peril, foreign imperialism, asian diaspora etc etc all you want, but guess what. your opinion still does NOT equal the opinion of CNCN. The fact that we grew up in a foriegn country, disqualifies us to speak for the CNCN group. We are Chinese people, with the culture of a hyphenated-CN, because unless we were completely removed from society, then our opinions will be biased by the group/country we grew up with and will not be the same as CNCN. Do we get to make a statement about China? Yes, but not as CNCN, because that’s a different group of people who grew up with different education, societal norms etc etc than us. 别断章取义强盗逻辑-R (not speaking for other CNCN admins, just my personal opinion as a hyphenated CN)。
i dont actuallly have anything against the actual dances or music but
but hearing the words ‘bhangra’ or 'garba’ make me just not pay attention anymore (either that or get mildly annoyed) bc its boring that those are the only “south asian” (yeah cuz bhangra and garba together represents all of the region(s) amirite) things that exist on a large scale
do what u want just dont pretend ur doin something awesomely new when u make it an event for ur club
also i will use any chance i get to hate on the “south asian” american club on campus so this post is also dedicated to hatin on them