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The Tragic Phantom Thief

I admit it: I’ve always liked Kaitou Kid, not only because his heists added a welcome variety to the Meitantei Conan case format where new people are being introduced, at least one of them dies, Conan investigates, and once he voices his deductions, the culprit suffers a mental breakdown. Case closed. There was also something quite alluring about seeing Shinichi “lose” without any dramatic consequences. It makes him seem less infallible, more human. Heist are about having fun, about wits without any lives being endangered. Furthermore, Kaitou Kid is one of the most engaging characters in Aoyama’s universe – and the latest anime sure strengthened this impression.

But why is he so popular? After all, he isn’t a person out of their time like Sherlock (BBC Sherlock), nor a bad-ass like Sarah Manning (Orphan Black) or a straight-forward type like Daikichi (Usagi Drop).

Of course, Kuroba Kaito is a cheerful person, and such characters often attract readers. It is easy to engage with them, and many shounen manga depict childish protagonists (Naruto, Ao no Exorcist, etc.) to allow teens to identify with their favourites. Kaito’s obsession with magic symbolises his curiosity and joy of living. He loves being able to DO things, be it tricking people or creating objects, repairing his gear, etc. His happiness is closely connected to his ability to act independently, without pressure. Becoming Kid sure appealed to him, because it is the ultimate magic act: Instead of transforming objects, his own body becomes a canvas to dazzle the audience. He literally turns himself into a magic trick. That is the premise of Magic Kaitou.

However, this transformation of his own self has a huge downside: Kaito loses himself. He becomes detached from those that he holds dear, because the secrets he keeps are like an invisible wall between him and those around him. Unlike Shinichi, he CHOSE this destiny when he picked up Kid’s mantle, and he has to gradually come to terms with the ramifications of his decision. That is the real tragedy behind Kuroba Kaito, the psychological aspect that frame his entire existence in Magic Kaitou. With each heist, Kid becomes more real, and Kuroba Kaito turns into a façade. An empty shell that at one point, he will no longer be able to uphold.

Instead of giving in to these dark thoughts, though, Kaito comes to channel his own sadness into his performance, turning Kaitou Kid into his ultimate light side. Kid is dazzling, generous, kind, (and cocky!). Kid is not somebody that allows others to be worried about him; he is somebody they can depend on, but he will not be dependent of others. Everything he does is meant to please, because he is performing for his audience, not himself. Does he enjoy heists? Maybe. But overall, he only comes to really enjoy the challenge Conan poses, not his own magic acts. Those only benefit the audience. Kid is void of all that is Kuroba Kaito. Until that one rare moment or two when his other identity and all of its baggage breaks through. To me, Kid is at his most vulnerable, at his most approachable, when he smiles sadly to himself in the moonlight.



Many claim that Kid is a harmless thief, and therefore he is a character they can respect. But that is blatantly untrue: In fact, with each heist, Kid actually hurts himself. His own identity is twisted beyond repair, turning him into a character that belongs nowhere. Magic Kaito is the story of a childish, joyful boy turning into a person who is lonely whilst being surrounded by friends. The remarkable thing is: He channels these feelings into his desire to make others happy. The only victim of his heists is himself.

Reminder that Masumi Sera has dealt with far more than anyone should have to deal with, let alone a high schooler:

-Her father died/disappeared before she was born.
-Had little direct interaction with eldest brother, due to his job and efforts to track down what happened to said father. (At least Shuuichi sent the JKD tapes to Masumi.)
-Is aware of Kohji Haneda and his death, most likely knows about Kohji’s connection to Shuukichi.
-Her mother was poisoned in what was most likely a murder attempt, and is now stuck in the form of a middle school child.
-Believes her eldest brother is dead.
-Is very much caught up in helping her mother stay hidden, has to lie about various things to do this.
-All this is because of the Black Organization.
-Is likely in danger herself, due to her various family ties and the fact that she is an active high school detective.
-Actually, no one in her family deserves this.
-What did the Akai family do to deserve this.

Time is Money (1008 spoilers)

Time is Money

Is a very known expression. Such expressions are not translated the usual way (as you can have a lot of ways of translation, for example 時間は金です - literal version, suggested by google translate).

While usually any translation follows this formula:

A (source sentence) -> (usage of target language’s vocab and grammar) - > B (source sentence in target language)

Idioms work differently. With idioms, A is source IDEA, common knowledge which was adapted in various languages.

Idioms translation work like this:

A (source sentence) -> (search for similar meaning for the expression as a whole) -> B (target language’s version of source sentence)

Basically, with idioms you can’t get the translation wrong grammatically or verbally, because target language provides you with the expression as a whole. 

What is the Japanese version of “Time is Money”?

『時は金なり』

So, obviously, Japanese fans applied this translation of English proverb, and, detective fans they are, momentarily saw something interesting.


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Talking about Magic Kaito 1412: The season finale was awesome, but can we just appreciate this:

This was the first Kaitou. But now look at this beautiful character development:

But now, he finally has a dream, something he really wants to do.

Is it just me or Kaito wants to become in the next king of magicians?

I was talking about it with haibara-senpai​ and we think A-1 is planning a second season but not focused in pandora, but in new enemies, that way they’ll give some time to Aoyama and the manga. I mean, if they made a second season of SAO, they have to do this because the MK1412 audience was good.

And never forget Aoko’s dream. Second season must happen.

Also, we have the theory that the magician who appears in the picture with Ran and Shinichi is James Hopper (Read tear chapter) In the picture he has black hair but I think they could change that if it becomes canon in the manga, you know, for a Shinichi’s childhood adventure second part.

Rereading Vol. 1, Chap. 001-009 - The Coming of Age of Shinichi Kudou

Today, I want to talk about Shinichi, and the amazing character development he has gone through since the very first volume. In a way, Detective Conan is a coming-of-age story, which is kind of ironic, seeing as that Shinichi needed to become “younger” to age mentally.


Shinichi is introduced as a brash and rather careless teen who does neither respect his elders nor officials like the police. In fact, he looks down on their work, e.g. when he knocks out a culprit by blunt force despite Megure standing right next to him, and calling himself a “meitantei”, a great detective, is rather arrogant. His mannerisms are very similar to Kogoro’s, and now, I can see how he changed: It is not only the humility taught to him by his reduced height and its inconveniences, but also the living and breathing reminder at the agency of what he could have become. Kogoro is like a shadow future version of Shinichi: He was left by those he cherishes, because he only cared about his own gratification, he is simply too self-absorbed. Kogoro reminded Shinichi to be more considerate of Ran, of people in general.

Then there’s his admiration for Holmes, which he channels into his desire to be a “Heisei Holmes”, a modern Japanese equivalent of the famous detective. Now, reading his appreciation monologue, I felt a true sting in my heart: What he admires most about Holmes is “that everyone knows who he is.”

The shrinking has taught him that fame should be the least of his concern. It is the people in front of him that matter: Those he loves, those hurt by crimes, those that depend on him. Not some strangers, some unaffected people who would write him fanmail or gossip to make their lives more interesting.

Back then, he only praised Holmes’ visible persona: His ability to play the violin, his physical strength, the sharp deductions, his composed attitude when faced with difficult situations. But Shinichi completely forgets to mention Holmes’ CHARACTER. In fact, Holmes is known for listening to all sides, even the culprit’s. Shinichi, however, is not yet willing to look behind labels. He is merely interested in “beating” the game as quickly as possible - he does not care about alternative endings. Predicting what a murderer, a thief, a criminal might feel is beyond him. This Shinichi would be unable to accept Shiho or save a murderer who plans to take his own life afterwards.

I called Shinichi careless, because he does not care about implications of the cases, like the loss of life or the legacy.

As he says, he is excited by cases, and he does not take other people’s point of view yet to realise that these are human tragedies. To Shinichi, there is no victim, no grieving friends and families. He only sees crime scenes as a stage full of props that will allow him to play against the culprit. That is the difference between Conan and Shinichi. Conan learned to be kind. He even began to respect Kogoro despite his professional and personal failings. Shinichi nowadays is a grown-up, who is no longer running away from his responsibilities and "thinks before he acts.”



It is truly amazing, this change of heart. But it seemed so natural that I barely noticed the stark difference without comparing the recent chapters to the very first volume. Kudos to Aoyama.

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The juxtaposition of White and Black when dealing with the Black Org.


Just ramblings, theories, and other thoughts I’m putting out there about a series with 20 years of material, and lots of opportunities for little details

This is adding to the observation of Gosho’s use of contrasting white and black.

Before, in discussing white alcohol it appeared he uses white to over come the black. As if to say that white/light/good overcomes the black/dark/bad. Good over evil, white over black. The light chases out darkness, but darkness can’t chase out light.

Which shows in that white alcohol is an antidote for the black org. poison.

This is not the only side to black and white’s relationship though. On the converse, even white’s shadow can be black.

Looking at Volume 37, ch. 8 “White Snow… Black Shadow "it’s seen first In the title. The two can coexist, despite their stark contrast.

A similar, if not synonymous, use of antonyms is repeated within the chapter.

"We can be of both God and the devil, since we are trying to raise the dead against the stream of time.”

This was said by Vermont I believe when he asked who she (or the B.O.) is.

white snow… black shadow, might be taken to mean similarly to “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

If the B.O. Is looking for immortality, (Which theory I am a strong proponent), and their criminal doings are all aimed at funding that research, then they might believe that they are doing bad things for what they believe to be a good cause. Snow’s dark shadow.

As for “against the stream of time”: back to the topic of immortality/eternal youth. That would be what they are doing, cheating death, cheating time.

Conan goes on to recall Haibara elaborating on human’s who try to go against the stream of time. How there is punishment for those who forcibly try to go against the stream of time.

If the drug her parents and her really were working on was to go against the stream of time, to become immortal, obtain eternal youth. Then who better to know how humans are punished for the attempt. Her parents and sister are dead because of it, and she was going to be killed as well.

As for Vermont’s use of “raise the dead”: look at Vermont’s background.

Her seeming eternal youth made it look like they could raise the dead. Sharon vineyard “died” then suddenly her identical daughter -Chris vineyard - comes instantly into spotlight.

Let’s also just take a moment to appreciate Vermont’s fake last name vineyard. Like for making wine. Cause all the female code names are wine type alcohol in particular and she is the favorite.

Thing I just noticed about DC

Okay, maybe I’m just stupid, but…

I just noticed Conan/Shinichi is the storyteller of the whole DC manga, and, sometimes, he talks about the events using the past simple.
It came to my mind reading the case in vol. 13 , the one about Gomera. In the end, Conan says something like - Gomera’s cry sounded sad to my ears - ( I’m reading the italian version so the translation might be a bit different )

So… does this mean Shinichi is telling the story from the future?
I mean, if the whole thing was happening in real time, there shouldn’t be any late-comments , right?
I don’t know, but usually when a manga/movie/anime is meant to “ film ” a story while it’s happening, there are no filters or comments, to make the reader/viewer feel like he’s right there with the characters.
Instead, if the story is… a “ story ” , being told like a flashback, gimmicks like those are very common.

My doubt here is… are we hearing the events directly from Shinichi’s voice in the future? Does this mean he’s going to be alive and well in the end?
Or maybe he’s talking as Conan? And that means he never gets his body back?
In the anime, those kind of comments are dubbed with Conan’s voice, but I think it’s just for continuity purposes…
But what if it actually means Shinichi never gets his body back?

AM I OVERTHINKING?!?!

Because I haven’t slept tonight so I might be.

Rereading Vol. 11 & 12, Chap. 101-120, Tequila’s Death

Early on, Conan stumbles across another member of the Black Organisation, Tequila. However, this lead dries up quickly, because the man is accidentally killed in front of Conan’s eyes.

Now, considering the recent questions concerning a mole in the police force, I paid close attention to the fact that the BO reacted quite quickly to the news of their member’s death.



Let us revisit the case, step by step:

Tequila exhanges suitcases with his contact. Once the deal has been made (but before checking the contents), he phones Vodka to tell him the good news. This call is interesting, because it reassures the BO of the success of the mission. As such, there is no need for any members of the organisation to miss Tequila since he had already checked in.


Once Conan identifies Tequila’s contact, the man admits to selling information to the BO.

Now, there are few people present when the contact names the café in Beika. Since Conan rushes over and reaches the location before the police does, it raises some questions as to how the BO manages to first, find out about the leak, and secondly, delay the police.

This is mere speculation, but it does point towards a mole in the Tokyo police department, possibly in the upper management. The BO, at this stage, would believe Tequila to be fine, after all, he had checked in with Vodka, and their meeting was set to a later time. Nobody would miss him, and since he used a phone booth, it’s not like they would have coincidentally called him on his mobile and realised that he was not able to answer their calls anymore. There was no reason for the BO to blow up the café.

Of course, you can argue that they had intended to destroy all evidence of their association with the contact anyway. However, why meet at such a public place if it just leave you with more work? I doubt they would have chosen the café if they had felt the pressure to get rid of the place.

No, the explosion was a spontaneous reaction to the security leak. They somehow found out about the contact talking to the police. Possibly, because somebody of them works for the police.

APTX headcanon/theory #4

I really want to see the APTX antidote… partially revert Conan. Age him to 12 or something. Too young to be Shinichi and too old to be Conan. I want to watch him suffer and make another identity albeit, one that’s purely temporary and un-established. It would be interesting to see this new identity interact with the cast and the character revelations from it. I want to write a fic now. 

Vermouth and Jodie, my theory

I’m going to write here all my headcanon/theory of the reasons why I think Vermouth is Jodie Starling’s real mother. This is just my theory, no confirmation or spoilers from the latest chapters. I’m sorry because I think this is going to be a really really long post.

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The Identity of Ano Kata

Today, I would like to reflect on an idea that came to me when I re-read some of the speculations about the Black Organization, and especially its boss, ano kata. Since I haven’t seen this theory floating around yet, I am claiming it as my own.

It is possible that Aoyama has been misleading us intentionally: At the beginning, some people considered Vermouth aka Sharon Vineyard to be ano kata in secret, mainly because she is able to move more freely than her colleagues. However, the fandom discounted her altogether, after somebody sent her a text message that orders her back. Aoyama’s earlier hint that there is a relationship between the boss and Vermouth that exceeds employer and subordinate has since been forgotten. Few speculations take this into account, although it probably is NOT a red herring. She takes more liberties than the other members, she is not as afraid as them of being killed as punishment. It is likely that there is some form of attachment between her and the boss that is akin to a safety net should her deceit become known. I doubt that her gratefulness to Shinichi would be enough for her to risk her own life multiple times to save his.



Now, there is not much that we can say about Vermouth, because her identity is shrouded in darkness and lies. However, she is committed to one saying that might be the key to understanding her role in the black organization:

“A secret makes a woman woman.”

Keeping in mind that we are dealing with a mystery manga that incorporates fictional characters of Western stories, there is only one woman: Irene Adler whom Sherlock Holmes referred to as “the woman.” Although her role is very restricted in Doyle’s universe, she has been immortalized through countless adaptations, wriggling her way into the limelight. I can see some parallels between Adler and Vermouth, mainly her appeal, the cleverness, and of course, like Adler and Holmes’ first encounter, her first showdown with Conan was based on compromising pictures.


Now, there is a second oddity around Vermouth that is worth mentioning: She calls Conan and Akai silver bullets. This is a metaphor, of course, and the medium of comparison is their intention to take down the boss/organization. But there is another element to this curious phrase: Silver bullets take down werewolves. What if werewolf is a reference to the boss?

There is a non-canonical theory that Irene Adler had a child with Sherlock Holmes: Nero Wolfe, the detective of the eponymous novels. In Japanese, the pronunciation of were and Nero are very close to one another, because the w is not realized as as a /v/ sound as in violence, but rather as the ou in the French oui. The l and r are basically the same sound, and due to that, werewolf and Nero Wolfe are almost homophones (words that have the exact same pronunciation).



Since Adler is the “mother” of Nero Wolfe, this leaves us with two possible readings:

1.       Vermouth was ano kata at one point, but lost the position, making the organization her brain “child”, respectively

2.       Ano kata is literally her child.

3.       Possibility 1 and 2 are not mutually exclusive.

Before I go any further down the rabbit hole, I would like to address the relationship between Vermouth and the boss once more. We know that their interests diverge, pointing towards the fact that they are different people: On one hand, Vermouth is attempting to protect Conan, on the other hand the boss encourages Bourbon to get close to Mouri. It is not clear whether there is an open disagreement between Vermouth and ano kata, or whether she is going along with the situation. However, the two of them are distinct people with different goals, no matter how they are related to one another.


In fact, it is quite likely that the original boss who started the research on APTX is not the current ano kata. Unless they are stuck like Vermouth, the person would have to be at least 70, if not 80 years old, because the BO began investigating aging processes more than half a century ago. Few is known about their initial interest, and I am deliberately vague on this term. So far, we have had the shrinking effect, which seems to revert its victims to youth. Then there’s Vermouth who stopped aging. It is possible that, at some point, the organization researched how to age up people’s cells until they die, too. Assuming that Vermouth was at most a victim of the earlier experiments, that would render her about 70 years of age, and a child of hers 50 years at max. However, her hatred of the Miyano family may hint at their involvement in her condition. Since Ai’s parents took over the research project about 30 years before the current timeline, that would make Vermouth at most 50 years of age, and put a child at about 30 years. This is actually a curious timing, because I deduced in Vermouth’s Curse that “she has looked 28 years of age since at least since 21 years ago”. This would put her at 49 “lived” years. If Nero Wolfe refers to a biological child of hers, then it would be less than 30 years of age.



There is also some evidence of a change in leadership when you consider the muddy history of APTX: The “first” boss seemed to be very interested in the project, so much as to involve a foreign researcher without ties into the organization (Miyano Elena) and her husband. Yet, after the lab burnt down about 17 years ago, the project was scrapped entirely. At first glance, it might seem like all research data was lost in the fire, but Ai claims that when she took over, the organization provided her with the past results. There was no reason not to employ other researchers in the following years. Yet, the project was put on indefinite halt.

It is actually possible to pinpoint a rough date as to when a change in leadership might have occurred: Five years before the current timeline, the organization suddenly reached out to Shiho, and groomed her to continue her parents’ work. Their interest in the project suddenly pops up again. Also, for the first time, we may safely conclude the purpose of the research, because Pisco comments that Shiho managed to advance the project when he sees her child-like form. APTX is supposed to regain youth, not just stop the aging process like it did with Vermouth. It is not about re-creating that effect.

As such, it is likely that the boss’ identity changed roughly five years ago.


Now, if we assume that Sharon was actually Vermouth’s real identity, because her supposed age matches the age I determined through logical conclusions:

  • Her husband might have been the real deal, too.
  • As such, we need to re-evaluate our information concerning Chris Vineyard, the supposedly alter ego of Sharon.


Yes, I am finally at the stage where I may proudly state my theory: Sharon’s supposedly fictional daughter Chris is ano kata. She took over after ceding her identity to her mother who approached the end of her ability to mask her lack of aging.



Of course, there is no proof, but there are certain aspects that point towards the fact that it is POSSIBLE.

1.       The song Nanatsu no Ko that is associated with the boss is about a mother crow feeding her chicks. Crow is a homophone of the Japanese word Kuro, which means black. It is not farfetched to assume that ano kata is female, because the phone number may belong to the “mother” of the black organization.

2.       Chris is supposed to be 29 years old. Thus, she fits the profile.

3.       It is difficult for people to completely shield their private life. Sharon had been in the public eye for about 20 years, because she was already famous when she met Yukiko at Toichi’s. Depending on this calculation, Chris would have been nine years old, and Sharon cannot have posed as a child due to the different body structure. Either Chris appeared out of nowhere as an adult, or there must have been a child at some point.

4.       In an interview, Chris once claimed that the relationship with her mother is strained. This might have been a cheap lie to explain that they were never seen together in the same place (being the same person), or maybe there is a grain of truth in this statement: Vermouth’s relationship with ano kata is strained, too, after all.

5.       It would explain ano kata’s interest in regaining youth. She now is older than her own mother, being 29 while her mother appears to be around 25 years of age. It would also explain why Vermouth is dead-set against the boss finding out about the shrinking effect. She may not wish her own fate on her daughter, having to watch as everybody else withers and dies.

 

I really would like a twist like this to become canon, because the manga is dragging it out, and if the reveal fails to be surprising, it would be quite disappointing. Also, a female boss would fit with Aoyama’s tendency to represent women in power positions, which is rare in shounen manga.

APTX musing

This is less headcanon and more theory spinning. Because making sense of fictitious pseudo science is one of my passions. 

Is there a grounded theory on the nature of the APTX poison? I mentioned in my headcanon that I believe it’s a constantly active drug , “keeping him down” so to speak. So it’s not like it passed through him and he’s just suffering the consequences– or else the antidote would have worked for good

I was always curious about the poisons nature in relation to his immune system. It appears to have rewired his system into considering Conan to be the “default” form… for lack of a better word. This is why the antidote only turns him back to normal when he’s sick. So being Shinichi is physically wrong due to the effects of the poison.  

This is why I’ve got this idea that Ai needs to go a different route with her antidotes because all the temps end up doing is taking advantage of this weakness to have him trot around a little taller with no real progress. Furthermore we’re noticing an exponential decline in the effectiveness of the antidotes because of his growing immunity. I think she needs to focus on fixing this problem with his immune system– you know, change the default function back to Teenage Shinichi so his body is actually working with her to fight the poison. If she keeps going in this direction she’ll sabotage the chance of an antidote working on him at all.