mynormalusernamewasalreadytaken  asked:

Do you know when "canon," like as a concept, became like a standard nerd thing?

The amazing thing about the term “canon” is that it didn’t bubble up from the undifferentiated mass of fandom (who actually knows who came up with memes?). We know exactly and specifically where the word comes from when used in this context: an essay written by a Sherlock Holmes fan in 1911, who compared the wild and crazy veneration that fanatical Holmes fans have for the original stories, to holy writ. Another name for the books assembled in the Bible was the canon, as opposed to other books that, for various reasons, were left out of the Bible and “didn’t count.” In other words, the term was originally used ironically and in a self-deprecating way to talk about the almost religious intensity of Holmes fans. 

Part of the reason the term canon caught on was because, even in the 1910s, the public was so mad for Sherlock Holmes that there were all kinds of illegal imitators and non-Conan Doyle authors and knockoffs, and yes, there were even amateur works that were distributed by mail (what today we’d call “fanfiction,” some of which even survives today), so a crucial distinction began to arise between the stuff that was “official” and the stuff that wasn’t. So, here we have the three things that we need to even have the concept of canon as we define it: 1) a group dedicated enough to actually care, who can communicate, 2) a necessary distinction between “official” and not, particularly due to the presence of amateur works (what today we’d call fanfiction), 3) a long term property that could sustain that devotion. 

Now, of the three, which do you think was the one that was absent from a lot of science fiction fandom’s first few decades? It’s actually 3. Canon only matters if it’s something other than just a single story, which the business model of the pulps discouraged. Like TV in the 1960s, every story had to be compartmentalized and serial storytelling was mostly discouraged.

One fandom, big from the 1930s to the 1960s was E.E. Smith’s space opera Lensman series. The Lensman stories were so popular that it received 5 sequels, all of which were planned from the outset. Some Lensman fanfiction from the 1940s is actually still available for reading. Part of the reason the Lensman stories were so popular is that it described a consistent world with consistent attributes: Inertialess Drives, aliens like Chickladorians, Vegians, Rigellians, pressor beams, space axes, Valerian Space Marines, superdreadnoughts, “the Hell Hole in Space,” the works. It was way easier to get sucked into this than it was with the usual “one and done.”  Take for example, this amateur guide to the Lensman series, with art by Betty Jo Trimble.

Canon “policy” as we know it today, as a part of a corporate strategy, started with Star Trek: the Next Generation. Before that, there was no “multimedia property” big enough to necessitate it; Star Wars just didn’t care, which is why pre-Zahn “expanded universe” stories like the Marvel comics were so bonkers. There was no reason to believe that the Trek novels, including good ones by John M. Ford and Diane Duane, were anything else than totally official. Roddenberry, though, was deeply angry about losing control of the film series, and due to his illness (hidden from the public at the time), his canon policy was enforced by his overly zealous attorney. In Star Trek canon, for a long time, the only thing that counted was what was on screen. And not even that…the Star Trek animated series, for several decades, was decanonized. (It wasn’t until Deep Space 9 that animated references crept back in, and today, it’s as canon as everything else).

I don’t want to scare anyone, and this is hearsay, but I’ve heard from three people who were there that Next Generation writers, at least as long as Roddenberry and his attorney were around, were encouraged to not think of the original series as canon at all. References to Spock and even an episode that had an appearance by the Gorn were rewritten.

The Star Trek canon policy was so harsh and unexpected that rules were invented deliberately to kick out popular reference sources, like the rule that starships could only have even numbered nacelles, which meant much of the Franz Joseph guides, published in the millions and praised by Roddenberry and others as official, were vindictively decanonized. 

Star Wars canon is interesting because it was entirely created by the West End Roleplaying Game. It was the only major Star Wars product printed in the Star Wars Dark Age, the 5-6 years between 1986-1991 when all toy lines and comics were canceled and the fandom was effectively in a coma or dead. The Roleplaying Game was the first place that information was collected from diverse sources like the comics and novels. Every single Star Wars novelist read the West End game because it was the only time all this information was in one place. 

Marvel Comics canon is a very interesting example because it was a harbinger of things to come: superhero comics were one of the earliest places in geek culture where the “inmates started to run the asylum”…that is to say, fans produced the comics, guys like Roy Thomas (creator of the Vision and Ultron) who started off as a fanzine writer. Because of the back and forth in letters pages, there was an emphasis on everyone keeping it all together that didn’t exist at DC, which at last count, had 5 (!) totally contradictory versions of Atlantis. 

-clears voice- The sheer mass amount of people that came into SW through the EU is staggering, massive, and most importantly: worthy of respect. To treat the EU/Legends as invalid or not canon is to do a huge disrespect to the people who grew up with these characters and fell in love with the universe. While Disney decanonized the EU, it’s not invalid material and still the same universe as the new material, even in alternate timelines. To demean, belittle, and call the EU as “less” than nucanon is to insult a great mass of people’s opinions and loves, when really, it costs nothing to be nice and celebrate the two timelines together, thoughtfully and respectfully criticize their differences, and pay homage to both. Give credit where credit is due; just because it’s not what the films are going to go with doesn’t mean they’re not lesser.

May the Fourth be with you, and have some fucking class.

anonymous asked:

Hey! I wanna start reading the sw books. Could you say me what's the order? How many books there are? Please and thank you.

Hello Nony!

I’m not sure I can help you with your request. Before Disney and Lucasfilm decanonized the entire EU there were hundreds if not a thousand books within the Star Wars canon.  

I, myself, haven’t read much in the new canon books since a.) I can’t stand the way Chuck Wendig writes and b.) I don’t particularly care much about Snap Wexley or any of the other named face characters JJ Abrahms shoe horned his friends into. (Do not EVEN get me started on Greg Grunberg or I will blow a gasket.)

If you want to get into SW books I would suggest starting with the novelizations of the movies, which give added depth to the story you already know. Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover is a high point in Star Wars Novelizations and really adds to the emotional depths and pathos of Anakin’s eventual Fall. 

I also enjoyed Lost Stars and Bloodline by Claudia Gray. Lost Stars covers the life and times of two Empire Day babies who grow up parallel to the Empire on an Outer Rim planet. They both go off to the Imperial Academy on Coruscant but eventually their paths diverge, one joins the Rebellion and the other stays loyal to the Empire. It’s a YA book but a good one. 

Bloodline is all about Leia doing her politician thing, making Padme proud in the afterlife. The new republic senate is having problems I am uncomfortably familiar with live in the States and while Leia investigates the beginnings of what will become The First Order, someone lets the cat out of the bag about who Leia’s biological father is. Cue shock! Cue scandal! Cue thoughtful character development about Leia and Han and important bits of the overall Sequel Trilogy narrative. Also, cue Feels about Bail Organa and a poor doomed guy. It’s a great story and I enjoyed it a lot.

What’s nice about Star Wars is you can jump in just about anywhere and find your way through it. Except maybe TFA. I don’t think TFA would work as well without the bulk of Star Wars canon to support it. 

I hope that helps, Nony! I’m sure there are other people out there who have read more than I have and have better recommendations. If y’all want to drops some comments or leave them in my ask box I’ll make sure to reblog them so our friendly neighborhood grey beachball can see them.


So, I’m flipping through Ultimate Star Wars and stopping on the bits that interest me, as one does, and, oh, hey, Obi-Wan’s page!  Let’s check his stats– oh, they have the Stewjon thing.

Well, maybe it’s been decanonized by this point, let me check the da–

Oh, goddamit.  This book was released in 2015, which is after the decanonizing point, SO I GUESS IT’S STILL CANON, ugh.  I hate “Stewjon” so much, just imagine me making the crankiest face right now.


anonymous asked:

Hi there, i saw your post about satine committing cultural genocide? You seemed to focus a lot on the blonde hair blue eyes thing, but Filoni already admitted he only did it out of laziness. He was too lazy to create POC which is stupid and ridiculous but it had nothing to do with Satine. And as for the exile thing... It is literally said the only people exiled were death watch. You know, the people bombing the city? I am confused as to where you got these ideas, or if it was a misunderstanding?

Mm it sounds like you don’t read my posts, so I’m going to use bullet points.


  • Laziness is not a good excuse for perpetuating racism.
  • That laziness has unfortunate implications within the media itself.
  • Unintentional racism is still racism. 
  • Neither of the above removes the unfortunate and real implications that I outlined as simply as I could in the original post.
  • Ethno-religious persecution and ethnic cleansing is a real thing. By being lazy, it echoes the results. 
  • Moving beyond that … white-washing the mandalorians empowered and legitimized the already present racist people in fandom who idealized mandalorians for all the wrong reasons.
  • Simultaneously decanonizing the Fetts, the only two non-white mandalorians in the galaxy, did not help the above. 
  • And doing so by having the “real” mandalorians, who are accidentally by laziness complicit in ethnic cleansing, is even worse.
  • Laziness actively made nonwhite people less safe in mandalorian fandom spaces as a result.
  • Nonwhite people literally said and are still saying this. I am not alone.
  • Laziness is not a good excuse when people are harmed by these decisions, unintentionally or not. =/

Again: laziness is not a good excuse. 

Also IDK if you know but white people who aren’t blonde and blue-eyed also exist. It’s not just about POC. It’s not just about aliens. People LOVE to point out that white-on-white discrimination in Europe is a thing, but when faced with something that mimics ethnic cleansing, suddenly it’s only about not being able to make POC? Suddenly we’re forgetting that white people got a range of features pointedly missing in the arcs, too?

Where are the white people with darker range of hair and eye color? Why is everyone in the blonde-red head range? Why is everyone in the blue-eye range? Why is everyone the same shade of white?

White people got a range of skin tones. Range of hair colors. Range of eye colors. The Mandalore Arcs are pointedly missing a huge variety of white people (I can’t believe I have to point this out)


Before I get into it, let me state, explicitly: I don’t support Death Watch. I am extremely critical of Death Watch, and under no circumstances do I sympathize with them.

But, and idk if you know this, but you can be critical of all sides of a conflict and not support anyone.

Anyway. Exile:

  • the initial Mandalorian excision, in which an entire body of Mandalorians were ejected from Mandalore, was centuries ago.
  • The dissenters to the government in power are called Death Watch. Everyone who wants a return to ways that are different than pacifism are called Death Watch, or DW sympathizers. The language used in these arcs is important.
  • Death Watch violence was framed as a RESPONSE TO Satine’s rise to power, and as a response to her continued position.
  • Death Watch is UNFORGIVABLE. I want to be clear, again, that I am not supporting Death Watch. 
  • It is important to understand that they didn’t rise in a political vacuum. 

CONTEXT FOR YOU — The Excision was a pre-emptive strike that carpet bombed the fuck out of Mandalore ~700 years prior to the arcs. After bombing them, the Republic and the Jedi came in and installed a government headed by the New Mandalorian faction.

Satine’s rise to the Duchy and becoming Duchess Satine Kryze was preceded and followed by civil unrest, and then the Jedi came back to Mandalore to make sure that government, who are still New Mandalorians and allied with the Republic, remained in power. Politics, anon.

We have a lot of real world examples that point to the above actions being not great, actually terrible, for the people — even a direct cause to extremist factions like Death Watch rising. Politics are not clean cut good versus bad. And the above? Echoes a lot of not great things.

  • That laziness unintentionally painted Duchess Satine Kryze as, at best complicit in the environment (ethnic cleansing, racism, eugenics), and at worst an enforcer of it.
  • Ethno-religious persecution and ethnic cleansing is a real thing that really looks like this. I am repeating myself.
  • Laziness is not a good excuse to mimic the results of extensive ethnic genocide and cleansing.
  • It doesn’t matter if it was unintentional. 

By all means, defend Filoni. He did a lot of good (and a lot of bad depending, on who you talk to), and you can’t make everyone happy. But this? Don’t do this.

And also? My being critical and pissed about these decisions? Doesn’t mean I want them to be retconned now, years later. They add a lot of depth and interest to mandalorian history. They add nuance and makes things gray where they should be gray

But metatextually whitewashing needs to be acknowledged and examined — and if they don’t want to admit to being unintentionally racist, then like … leave it as contextual and give us more nonwhite mandalorians who don’t live on Mandalore. Give us more nonwhite mandalorians who are explicitly stated to be mandalorian. We have enough context to see why it is that way. And as it is, it’s already a little too late to go back and fix it.

The introduction of Clan Wren is a fantastic step to make up for the unfortunate implications of The Clone Wars. But it’s only just a step.

Another thing that can help: explicitly state that Ketsu Onyo is mandalorian — all of the context says she is, but the white supremacists and racist chunks of fandom have bent over backwards to say she’s not. These same people maintain that Sabine Wren is not mandalorian. That none of Clan Wren are.

And they feel they’re right, because of the precedent that was set by The Clone Wars. 

so I rewatched rogue one today (thanks for the tears, Netflix), and I realized a huge downside to Disney acquiring Star Wars - we will probably never get to see the moral complexities of the now-decanonized expanded universe.From Luke talking about all of the lives lost on the death star - how he didn’t have the right to execute every single one of those people. A lot of whom were slaves. To Boba Fett explaining how decapitating someone with a lightsaber is cruel because the cauterization traps air in the brain meaning that they live for seconds while still conscious. Or to the discussion about the clones and how HORRIBLE it is to raise people just to die. 

And disney will never go there, because it’s too dark. We saw it in rogue one, Jyn brought up all of the bad things that the rebellion soldiers do, and the whole following orders thing, and Cassian almost addressed it, but then… didn’t. and that is a huge shame because I am so there for all of the complex morality stuff. I personally think it makes the universe so much more real and frankly, better. 

So, I was rewatching “The Lost Commanders” and “Relics of the Old Republic”.

While I did realize before (since it’s obvious) that Kallus was being petty about the “Clones vs. Stormtroopers” thing, I didn’t realize that after the crew initially left that he was STILL petty about it when the clones were coming at them.

“The rebel ship is escaping, but Konstantine will deal with that. For now, let’s finish these clones.”

Though it could be chalked up to the clones being in trouble for knowingly housing and supporting criminals, that’s not what he said. Instead, he emphasizes that they’re CLONES rather than rebels or rebel associates, and that’s why he’s gonna kick their butts.

…Pretty obvious meta, but did you think that was all I was gonna point out?

In the final days before the Legends decanonization, as a bridge to the canon reboot, the “Imperial Handbook” guidebook described several details that would be relevant to works in the NEU… including the Siege of Lasan.

Specifically, it mentions that Tango Company – quite likely the same Clone Troopers in the Geonosian Brain Worm episode from The Clone Wars – were participants on the side of the Empire.

Canon? Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps Kallus’s prejudice against clones is more than just simple arrogance encouraged by Imperial propaganda and may stem from a personal vendetta in the past, just like with Lasat. Or perhaps it is just simple arrogance and I’m looking too deeply at this.

(Disclaimer: Obviously, neither makes him right for thinking that way.)

Would be interesting to see how Kallus and Rex (and with their rumored return, Gregor and Wolffe) interact in Season 4 and if they callback to the events of the two-parter.

…It’ll probably just be awkward.

occasionallyintelligent  asked:

With either universe (backbone or gambit) is there anything from the now decanonized Star Wars EU (or from the new movies) that you thought/think might be worth integrating or adapting into your work?

Oh, sure.  I constantly pull stuff out of the EU – for example, while 99% of the time in Backbone the Ryloth/Twi’lek worldbuilding is original, some of the clans come from the EU, Fenn most prominently.  Backbone uses less EU material than some of my other stories, but that’s because of when it’s set and the characters it uses; there’s less chance to incorporate it.

All of Wake and the first half of Gambit were actually written before the announcement of the Legends/canon split and prior to any of the new canon material, so they integrate a lot of material from the EU.  (In some cases, material that was later contradicted by canon, like Depa Billaba’s fate and what happened to the Jedi Temple.)  Watchtower, the upcoming third Ouroboros story, has some heavy inspirations from the Star Wars: Legacy comics (as did Gambit).

Integrating new material is actually a little more difficult for me than incorporating material from the EU – writing at a moving target is always difficult, especially when you essentially lose an entire year (which is what happened last year), and there are a bunch of places in Backbone where things have been contradicted by canon.  This is mostly relevant with Rebels, but there are places where details have come in from the new films.  (There’s a mention of the destruction of Hosnian Prime in one of the flashback scenes, though not by name, and Jedha gets named at some point.)

Completely aside from the big stories, I have been fighting down the urge to do a Kanan and Hera story set on Jedha where they accidentally team up with Baze and Chirrut, though.

Also, you ever realize how miraculous the BIONICLE fanbase is? I’ve hopped a few bandwagons recently, and been amazed at how different BIONICLE’s is.

*BIONICLE reboot!*
*fans pretty much unanimously rejoice*

*DC/Marvel reboot!*
*a sea of moaning and whining*

*new BIONICLE book!*
*fans fangasm all over the place*

*new Star Wars book!*

The BIONICLE fanbase only really has a few big nitpicks, like decanonizing romance, which I think are pretty much all justified. Except the hate for TLR, which was just nostalgia goggles. Fans of other particularly nerdy things always find something to complain about.

The Harry Potter fanbase is pretty much the only one that compares, I think.

Kamu; 2-Decanone-ku

Ada fakta yang begitu menarik mengenai manusia.

Bahwa kita, entah bagaimana, selalu bisa mengenali wangi khas seseorang. Terkadang kita tidak sadar setiap kita sedang bersama seseorang, ada wangi khas yang muncul dari badannya. Tapi sebenarnya seluruh komponen diri kita mengingat wangi tersebut. Dan ketika wangi itu tiba-tiba muncul, hidung kita seperti langsung mengirim sinyal-sinyal tertentu pada otak untuk mengingat pemiliknya.

Dan dari sana aku tahu, bahwa ternyata ada korelasi antara wangi seseorang dan perasaan rindu.

Selalu ada wangi khasmu yang tertinggal setiap kamu beranjak pergi dari tempat di sebelahku. Ketika lengan-lengan sang waktu kembali berjalan dengan lambat, ketika mereka tidak lagi bergerak dengan luar biasa cepat seperti saat kamu bersamaku. Wangi khas yang menyeruak dan langsung saja membuat rindu.

Aku mengingat wangi khasmu itu seperti aku mengingat wangi hujan—yang sangat aku sukai. Wangi hujan yang disebut dengan istilahPetrichor. Atau kau boleh menyebutnya dengan istilah kimia yang mungkin akan lebih kamu sukai.

Petrichor memiliki nama kimia, yaitu 2-decanone. Senyawa itu datang dari minyak yang dipancarkan oleh tanaman saat masih kering. Dan selama hujan, minyak itu dilepaskan ke udara bersama dengan senyawa lain yang datang dari mikroba yang sudah mati, yaitu Geosmin, yang kemudian menghasilkan Petrichor.

Tidak terhitung berapa banyak aku mengendus wangi Petrichor setiap aku sedang bersama kamu. Kamu yang selalu mencari wangi itu setiap hujan turun. Tapi menurutku hujan selalu menyenangkan, karena hujan selalu sukses menahan kamu lebih lama. Hujan yang menyenangkan, yang memberi indera penciumanku waktu untuk mengingat wangi Petrichor yang bercampur dengan wangi dari punggungmu, wangi lenganmu yang melindungi aku dari tetes hujan yang menghampiri bumi dengan perlahan.

Petrichor menemani aku—kamu jatuh cinta.

Dan kamu tak ubahnya Petrichor bagiku. Petrichor penanda hujan turun, seperti kamu yang memberi pengertian bahwa jalanan keringku tidak lagi kemarau. Petrichor pemberi ketenangan, sesuatu yang memberi aku keteduhan dan rasa aman. Petrichor yang mengajakku untuk bersiap bersenang-senang, berlari, menari—larut bersama hujan.

Petrichorku, 2-decanone-ku; kamu.

#jumat siang, hujan, dan wangi petrichor yang menyeruak lewat jendela kamar; aku merindukanmu hari ini