Even though I’m digging dear white people and am posting some gifsets, don’t think I’m okay with the Cosby* conversation or Nia Long’s character’s story. I like the show overall but they had a few examples of straight up BS.
I suppose you won’t be reading this in bits and pieces,
getting up and walking away, making circles on the floor, and curling up in a
ball, like I am. You won’t know where I
stopped and started. You won’t know how
long it took me to say this.
After Veronica leaves Los Angeles, she and Ralph make good on their promise to stay in touch.
Why I am convinced that CB's relationship is genuine!
Hello, this is anon-dream :) As I have told you already, admin-nim, I had originally planned to make a post about how obvious I think CB have been lately. However, due to the fact that I am a big IDIOT who accidently deleted that post by clicking some random button (T.T) and because of the recent news that Dispatch has released regarding Kai and Krystal and another alleged dating scandal that is going to be revealed soon … I would like to be more careful and thus rather not write a post like that. We all don’t know what will happen in the next months, therefore, I don’t want my assumptions to influence people and make them raise their hopes up while we are in such a critical situation. However, I would like to talk about something else instead: CB’s - which I think - genuine relationship (regardless of it being interpreted as romantic or platonic). I have seen many CB shippers who have become somewhat sad/disappointed because of this post by an alleged insider of SM (People say it’s from 2012) : http://baoliao.tumblr.com/post/90316568632/insider-info-2012-the-inner-workings-of-sm In this post, it says that OTPs, including CB, were planned by SM from the very beginning, that they deliberately make them do lots of fanservice as some kind of marketing strategy (I recommend reading that post if you haven’t already. It’s quite long but the person who wrote it has kind of foreseen KaiStal and BaekYeon … which is scary :’) ) Plus, I have read this post by our dear @parkbaekssi today, which is dealing with the subject of SM being aware of CB being shipped by fans: http://parkbaekssi.tumblr.com/post/142178522001/hello-i-have-been-an-avid-shipper-of-chanbaek I wanted to submit this post to her as well, but sadly, I couldn’t find the “submit” button on her blog T.T (I told you, I am a big idiot), therefore, I would wish for her to read this as well if she likes because she asked her followers to share their opinion. Okay, I will get started on the actual post now. In case that this will become a super long post, know that I am deeply sorry for every pair of eyes that are reading this T.T haha!
First of all, I would like to agree with the statement that SM is indeed aware of popular pairings within their company and that they also make use of this knowledge by either pairing two shipped members up (eg. by forming a subunit like they did with EunHae) or by encouraging said members to interact in a certain way in front of the fans. Even though this might sound very strange to some people (it is sounds strange to me as well, tbh), it also makes a lot of sense because, as we know, so called ‘bromances’ are totally loved in Korea (note: bromances, not actual gay couples!). Therefore, what better and easier way is there to additionally promote a group if not through OTPs? It makes sense to me, totally. However, as much as this is true, I strongly disagree with the statement that ChanBaek is purely based on fanservice (note: parkbaekssi didn’t claim this! :) But other people do and it makes me a bit angry)
As parkbaekssi has mentioned in her post, there are some CB moments that could be deemed as fanservice (e.g Chanyeol giving Baekhyun a rose on stage, the high5 during growl - I myself would like to add the forehead touch thingy they did some years ago - still a beautiful moment though ;D ), meaning that yes, ChanBaek do fanservice as well and yes, they are aware of the fact that they are a popular ship. And SM obviously is, too, as the following post shows: http://94ohsenshine.tumblr.com/post/142164246659/chanbaek (note: There is so much CB in Korea these days, hm.. everyone, let’s go there and have a big party! haha ^^)
HOWEVER, there is one thing about ChanBaek that makes them special compared to other super popular OTPs in my opinion. We all know that Chanyeol and Baekhyun are mostly about stolen glances and subtle touches. Their moments are pretty toned down compared to their moments with other members or other OTPs. Even their most ‘intense’ moments are pretty toned down, don’t you agree? Take the legendary hug in Manila as an example. It lasted for like, what, a few seconds (it still killed us though). If they know that fans love that kind of stuff, why didn’t they make a show about it by pretending to kiss or other things their fellow members have done before? Also, note that this was the first real hug between ChanBaek since ISAC in 2012 - It took these two 4 freaking years (!) to hug properly and they didn’t even initiate it! It was Sehun who made them hug! (Bless you, Oh Sehun!) Now, some of you might think: “Maybe they are just uncomfortable with the fact that they are being shipped?” That’s not a stupid thought, actually. Anyone would think like this at first. However, if the thought of being paired up with a guy disgusted you that much, wouldn’t you generally try and not initiate too much skinship with males? You would, wouldn’t you? But ChanBaek both don’t:
1) Baekhyun is all over Sehun (+ other members) most of the time, touches him in a way he would never touch Chanyeol in and is generally a touchy, flirty (and adorable) human being - except with Park Chanyeol!
2) Chanyeol, although he is the one who initiates skinship in CB, also touches his fellow members in a way that he would never touch Baekhyun in. He can hug Yixing, Kyungsoo freely, and grab/pinch Sehun’s butt while he almost freaked out when Sehun brought Baekhyun to him during Peter Pan in Manila …
Now, my aim is not to prove to you that CB are involved with each other in a romantic way - that is something that you have to make your opinion of. However, concluding from the aspects mentioned above, I can draw the conclusion that these two, despite of being aware of the fact that they are being shipped, despite of the fact that fans are dying to see them interacting, do not flaunt their close relationship at all - at least not by doing heavy skinship with each other. Actually, not even on SNS - at least not openly. While their posts are often similiar and posted right after one of them has uploaded something - they rarely post selcas these day despite of having been seen together off-cam. It’s strange, since Chanyeol has posted a lot of pictures with Sehun, since these two have spent a lot of time lately … Anyway, what I am trying to say is that, whatever relationship Chanyeol and Baekhyun have, they don’t flaunt it, they keep it private, thus, hidden from the public’s eye. And anything hidden from the public’s eye cannot be deemed as 'fanservice’ anymore.
“What if they aren’t close with each other after all? / What if they don’t spend that much time with each other after all?” -> These are also questions you might ask yourself right now - You have every right to! Of course I cannot provide you solid facts about Chanbaek’s relationship, none of us can, as we are only outsiders. However, based on my own experiences regarding human nature, I can tell you this:
Chanyeol and Baekhyun - all romantic, fanfic stuff aside - although they are not phsysically close, are definitely connected to each other, let’s call it mentally connected. This, in my opinion, becomes evident in the most simple interactions these two have, starting from all their inside jokes/ (e.g “Cha-cha-cha Chanyeol!” / “Bae-Bae-Bae Baekhyun!” / “Tomorrow is monday” / that weird dance that both of them did on stage, idk how to describe it but I am sure you know what I mean haha! / their voice imitations during V-app (vroom vroom) / that “I am going to cry” joke Chanyeol pulled during their bed broadcast etc.), the way they keep completing each other’s sentences although they’re 5-6 members apart from each other, the way Chanyeol always seems to lose it whenever Baekhyun makes a joke and just the general chemistry they have between each other! Our dear Parkbaekssi, who has seen Exo live, has made a wonderful post about Chanbaek’s chemistry live, you can read it here:
(fun fact: the anon who asked about this was actually me *hides*)
Do you see what I mean with “mentally connected” now? All those insiders, the way they pay attention to each other’s utterings and everything else listed above. They might not prove that these two are a couple but they certainly show that they must have spent and probably still spend a lot of time with each other and might even be soulmates. Somehow, these two remind me of me and my clostest friend sometimes. We are never really touchy with each other, never post a lot about ourselves on SNS - but we understand each other, we know each other well, we laugh about the same things, have insiders only we understand, have similiar taste in music and very, very often think and utter the same thing at the same time. Note that we are not together 24/7, but we have spent enough time with each other to become like this. We have talked about things we never talked to anyone else about, we have done a lot of things together. Of course this doesn’t necessarily mean that CB have done the same. Maybe they didn’t. However, there is a possibility. You don’t become like this with just any person. Such a bond is special, precious and very beautiful. Therefore, dear CB shippers (and also dear KaiSoo shippers), whatever might happen in the future, know that this bond won’t and cannot vanish just like that - I can promise you that :) !
Now, let’s come to the last part of this post (You were brave my friend, you made it this far. Your poor eyes T.T) Until now, we have only talked about CB from Chanyeol’s and Baekhyun’s perspective. But what about SM? After all, we did agree that they do take advantage of their OTPs. But what makes CB special regarding this matter?
Well, the thing is, SM definitely makes use of CB’s chemistry and their talents regarding variety shows! Therefore, I agree with Parkbaekssi. CB are a perfect duo. They are both talkative, funny, hyper, social. The fact that they are also being shipped by fans is like the cherry on top. Like, what could go wrong with a duo like this? HOWEVER: As much as SM seems to be promoting Chanbaek, I still have some questions:
- If CB are so popular, why aren’t they paired up during dance performances (except Growl)? Why does the order in which Exo members usually stand ensure that Baekhyun and Chanyeol are “far away” from each other?
- Why was “Sehun Time” instantly changed to “Chanyeol Time” right after the Chanbaek hug in Manila happened? Doesn’t this mean that another hug is “impossible” because Chanyeol is the one who chooses the members? (Question to Chanyeol: Why did you always choose Baekhyun+ another member during Peter Pan?)
- Why has there never been another CB duet after “Love Song” although it was obviously liked a lot by the fans? We got ChanSoo’s “Boyfriend” (which was awesome!) but still …
- Why were so many scenes from CB’s Roommate episode cut? (including a duet between them) Same goes to some episodes of Exo Showtime.
Now, these questions were not meant to be written in an accusing tone but rather in a curious tone. I am sure there are answers to these questions. But at the moment, they are just confusing me a bit. Like, SM does make use of CB on the one hand, however, on the other hand they also seem to not promote them very much as a duo. I cannot say much about EunHae since I am not familiar with them at all, but I know other examples from YG artists, namely GTOP (GD & TOP from BB) and Gri / Nyongtori (GD & Seungri from BB). I am aware of the fact that YG and SM are two totally different companies with different strategies but I must say that YG promoted GTOP a lot (gave them a sub-unit, made them act as a couple in a drama parody in which they even kissed (!) ) whereas Gri promote themselves a lot imo (They are like, super, super touchy on stage, affectionate in public and on SNS). And again, compared to these examples, Chanbaek are, in my opinion, pretty toned down. It’s confusing, right? The idol industry is confusing … haha!
Okay, this was my opinion on this whole topic :) Of course I am in no way guaranteeing that what I am saying is true. These are merely speculations based on what I have read, seen and experienced myself. Basically, all statements above are subjective. Of course you can disagree with me and call me a big idiot! - That’s totally fine! :) Let me just tell you one thing before I finally leave you alone: Idols are human, just like us and although they seem so far away from us and so unreachable and different - they aren’t :) They cannot fake certain emotions, no matter how experienced they are and they deserve as much love, respect and acceptance as all human beings do. Therefore, try not to think of your ships as “ships”. Try thinking of them as “relationships between two human beings” - because that’s what it basically means, right? The word “ship” is automatically associated with delusions, fanfictions and immaturity these days. And sadly, some shippers are going way too far, thus seemingly proving those assumptions to be true… However, do not let yourself get generalized like that, okay? :) After all, there are plenty normal, friendly and totally down-on-earth shippers out there!
Okay, I am out now ♥ Omg Admin-nim, I am sorry for this being too long! I hope it was at least an acceptable post T.T Keep up the good work on your blog! We love it! :)
AHHHH YAS MAN! I was waiting for this submission. Just by reading the title I got excited~
So I also agree with how SM is very very well aware of the OTPish pairings of their groups, they would probably, if that would help raise their groups success. Like they would help feed that ship stuff, like I don’t know making them pose in a picture together, and stuff like that. AND IT’S TRUE KOREANS LOVE THE INTERACTIONS AND STUFF! It doesn’t even have to be a bromance thing but heck they would love it if they kiss! (aham Sexing ahem) Like see fancams in korea and stuff and when oh for example a CB moment, boom they go just and wild as we do. And to the people that say Chanbaek is fan service.
Ok I’m good
And of course they will have fan service. They still need to please the fans, can’t have anything in secret right? And of course these two know they are popular, we see pictures of them looking at the handmade CB signs (I need one) and SM…they probably keep tabs on everything to promote…something.
And yes, the very reason why I love Chanbaek so much is because I can really sense genuine stuff, they don’t have so much skinship where you are like, oop they are just friends and do lotta fan service, but they do enough where we don’t go like “AHHHHH THEY HATE EACH OTHER” but the have skinship where I feel like a pairing that are “just friends” do, but of course that’s just what I think. And I love seeing how they act differently to each other than they act with other members, shows you they are…well…different.
YAS CHANBAEK IS LIKE THE LEGIT SECRET SHIP IN AN UNDER SECRET MISSION WHERE NOONE CAN GAIN THE TRUTH ABOUT THEIR ACTUAL RELATIONSHIP. AND THAT IS VERY SUSPICIOUS BECAUSE IF THEY WERE JUST FRIENDS THEN THERE WOULD BE NOTHING TO HIDE AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!
I can’t understand how anyone could wonder if these two ain’t close and that’s why they don’t have much skinship. Like these two probably have one of the best chemistry and relationship out of the nine, they actually stand and sit by each other a lot, they always make each other laugh, they are compatible with each other, they enjoy each other’s company (they are always happy together) and the two even announced that they were close on tv and radio, even if that was years ago, it’s obviously not changed. Plus have you seen how in sync they are. IT’S SCARY HOW MENTALLY CONNECTED THEY ARE.
I love the personal reference, those are always great for making analysis. But Chanbaek, they have a very very special bond, whether it’s romantic or purely friendship, it’s a bond that I envy and I find so beautiful.
*sigh* anon-dream I absolutely love love your submissions, even though they are long, it’s worth the read ;_; and the last paragraph tho yasssssssssssssssssssssssss!
Thanks as always for your kind words anon-dream ;_; *sigh* I’ll try to make intresting post always for you guys, but anon-dream…yours are probably more credible than mine XD I’ll keep working hard~
Thank you again for the submission anon dream! As always I try to elaborate on your posts but I can’t! You already say all the good things ;_;
Whose not-so-bright-idea was it to fire Thomas Gibson? You’re
not only losing an integral and pivotal character on the show, but
the team leader and millions of fans. You are getting rid of an angel
of a guy, and for what? Kicking the writer who started the
altercation? Had it been me, I would have kicked Virgil Williams a
whole heck of a lot harder and in a different spot. The two episode
suspension was enough. Then you just fire him, and you’re not even
gonna give his character (the most respected person on the show) a
decent send-off. What the h*** is wrong with you? Criminal Minds will
die faster than an ice cube on a sidewalk in San Antonio, Texas. Is
that REALLY what you want? Lose TV’s #1 Suspense series because you
fired the backbone of the show? You will lose millions of fans (who
happen to be why the show has lasted this long) and be forced to
cancel Criminal Minds. I don’t want to see Criminal Minds
cancelled, and I’m pretty darn positive you don’t want to cancel
it, but you’re gonna have to if you don’t bring Thomas Gibson
Let me tell you what I think about Thomas Gibson (given I’ve
never met him). He’s kind, sweet, compassionate, considerate,
smart, caring, can tell a joke with a completely straight face. He’s
straight-laced, got a smile that makes any woman standing next to him
need a defibrillator, he’s an amazing actor, a fantastic man,
awesome husband, and a loving and dedicated father. Yeah, he can cut
up (be silly) with the best of them. He loves his children. He takes
them places, plays with them, wouldn’t yell at them if they forgot
to flush the toilet or put the sun-visor up in the car (because it
looks stupid if it’s down) doesn’t micro-manage every little
thing, if he buys his children something he doesn’t nag them until
they use or wear it, doesn’t buy them something just to send them
on a guilt-trip, wouldn’t tell them to their faces that he doesn’t
love them and never wanted them to begin with (I’m speaking from
experience here), he admits when he’s wrong, if he promises someone
something and for some reason can’t or doesn’t follow through, he
will do everything he can to make it up to them, not make an excuse
as to why he couldn’t keep it. When he makes plans and something
unexpected crops up (an inconvenience) he doesn’t get upset and
blow his top at his family, (my dad doesn’t handle inconvenience at
all) he adjusts his plans (if they’re travelling and someone needs
to spend a few extra minutes doing business, he doesn’t get upset
about being knocked a little off schedule). When he’s doing
something and screws up, he doesn’t blame someone else. When his
kids do well with something, he praises them, lets them know he’s
impressed and proud of them, he doesn’t look at what they did and
try to find something wrong with it that he can criticize. He doesn’t
tell them their best isn’t good enough. When his children read or
hear about something they think is cool or interesting and tell him
about it, he doesn’t trivialize it or tell them “I don’t want
to hear it” or “that’s not important”. He shows interest in
his children’s lives. He’s present physically, mentally, AND
emotionally, not just physically. To him, his children are human
beings to love and nurture, not a bunch of puppets to control and
manipulate. When his children try to do something they aren’t
really good at and do it well, he praises them and tells them they
did a good job. He doesn’t tell them they’ll never amount to
anything. He’s not verbally, mentally, emotionally, or spiritually
abusive. He wouldn’t take scripture out of context to control and
manipulate his family. He wouldn’t call his wife a bitch 5 times, a
thorn in his flesh 3 times, and say that she’s an inconvenience to
him simply because she’s alive and has health issues (Yes, my dad
did this). When Thomas makes an apology, he means it, he doesn’t
apologize just to clear his conscience. He doesn’t make “just
enough of an apology to get by.” Honestly, I could go on ALL DAY
about how amazing he is, but I won’t. A guy THIS AMAZING and you
fire him because a writer who is known to be aggressive got his
britches in a bunch?
Here’s a scene from Season 5, Episode 5, “Cradle to Grave”
and it fits this mess you’ve got yourselves in.
*Morgan comes to Hotch’s office, knocks on the door*
Hotch: (straight to the point,
as usual) Have a seat.
*Morgan sits on the couch, Hotch pulls up a chair*
Hotch: The Bureau thinks that my ability to lead this team has
been compromised. What do you think?
Morgan: Sometimes I question you, Hotch. But at the end of the
day, I do respect you. You’re the leader of this team and my job
is to have your back. (emphasis
Hotch: Well, that’s not
important to the Bureau. They’ve been questioning me since Foyet’s
attack. And they’re not entirely wrong. I’ve tried to do my best,
but what matters now is if Strauss replaces me, this whole unit will
come under scrutiny. Members will be re-assigned, budgets will be
Morgan: Come on, Hotch, nobody’s
gonna replace you. Fight Strauss. I’ll go to the mat for you, so
will everybody else. You know that.
Hotch: It won’t work.
Decisions like this have their own momentum. Unless I step down-
Step down? What are you
Hotch: I’m resigning as Unit
Chief at the end of the week.
Morgan: What!? No! *sighs,
shakes his head* Hotch,
look, yeah, ok, sometimes your actions, I may disagree with them, but
it’s not enough for you to leave this team.
Hotch: I’m not leaving the
team, I’m just no longer in charge. You are.
disbelief* Me. *laughs like
“yeah, right”* Look, I had the chance to be Unit Chief in New
York and I said no. I turned it down because I like this
team. Strauss can’t just fire
you like this.
Hotch: She can
re-assign me, and we can avoid that if I promote internally.
Morgan: This is wrong.
Hotch: It’s the only way to
keep the team together.
Morgan: So all of this– this
is why you’ve been pushing me so hard, huh?
Hotch: *amused “thinking”
expression* I haven’t been
pushing you that
Hotch the joking “bs” look*
*Hotch grins* Wow.
Morgan, I need to know, right now—will you do this?
This would be temporary. Once we catch Foyet, all this goes back to
get started. *goes to his desk and starts putting boxes on top*
What’s all this?
This is the job. Unless you have other plans.
me point something out. Hotch cares about his team so much that he
wanted to keep them together, so he WILLINGLY stepped down and put
Morgan in charge. It was temporary till they caught Foyet, but still,
he cares about his team THAT MUCH. And did anyone catch what Morgan
said? Let me refresh your memory “Come
on, Hotch, nobody’s gonna replace you. Fight Strauss. I’ll go to
the mat for you, so will everybody else. You know that.” Notice
that? They were ALL willing to fight for Hotch. The WHOLE team. And
THIS line “Sometimes
I question you, Hotch. But at the end of the day, I do respect you.
You’re the leader
of this team and my job is to have your back. (emphasis
Gibson is the BACKBONE of the show. Aaron Hotchner is the heart of
the team. Anytime one of his team is having a difficult time, he does
ANYTHING he can to help. I mean ANYTHING. When JJ got pregnant, he
gave her the offer to take some time off, when Reid was kidnapped and
the team saved him, Reid embraced Hotch and said “I knew you’d
Maeve was murdered, it sent Reid into a tailspin and Hotch told him
to take as much time off as he needed. When Emily came back after the
whole Doyle mess, Hotch told her to tell him when she’s having a
bad day. Just recently, once Morgan returned after being kidnapped
and tortured and him and Savannah had Hank, Hotch told him “Please
tell me you’re going to take some time.”
people at CBS should be ashamed of yourselves. You fire the heart of
Criminal Minds, you’re not even going to give him a goodbye
episode, and you expect the fans to be ok with this? I’m surprised
that AJ Cook, Matthew Gray Gubler, Joe Mantegna, Kirsten Vangsness, Paget Brewster, and
Shemar Moore aren’t boycotting the show. I’m surprised that they aren’t outraged. They worked with him
for 11 years, and if you’ve told them to shut up about the whole
thing, SHAME ON YOU. If I
worked with someone like him for 11 years and this happened? I’d be
hotter than a summer day in San Antonio, Texas. Thomas Gibson gave
Criminal Minds his heart and soul for 11 years, and this is how you
repay him? Fire him after a suspension, and don’t even give him a
decent exit from the show? That is worse than any torture a serial
killer can think of to inflict on a victim. You may as well have
stabbed him nine times yourselves (in his vital organs) and twisted
the knife every time. You guys are a bunch of a**holes, plain and
simple, and I’m being nice. Another thing. If he was verbally abusive and thought he was better than his coworkers (aka conceited and cocky with a nasty attitude), you wouldn’t have waited 12 years to let him go. He’d have been gone after the first episode.
me tell you something else. Thomas Gibson is the reason I got hooked
on Criminal Minds to begin with. Two years ago I was severely
depressed, so much so that every day I woke up, I wanted to
commit suicide. EVERY DAY I watched Criminal Minds over and over
and over. I watched two discs worth of episodes a day. That’s EIGHT
episodes CONSECUTIVELY. Criminal Minds is part of the reason I can
look at a severe, grotesque scene or injury and not be grossed out. I used to
write off my dad’s behavior as nothing when I was talking about
something he didn’t like. Now, I know what he does behaviorally
when he gets nervous and agitated, thanks to Criminal Minds. I can
analyze behavior rather well. Without Criminal Minds, I wouldn’t be
able to do that. Without Thomas Gibson, I wouldn’t be alive.
Through Aaron Hotchner, Thomas showed me what a real man is. How a
real man acts and behaves. How a leader should act. What a leader
take him away, you tear apart a team that is more like a family, you
devastate fans, you’re going to lose the best show on TV. If I were you, I would bring him back
and fire Virgil Williams, the writer who started this whole thing.