I know I was looking for a new female superhero, and the idea of an intelligent Hulk-type grabbed me. Never for an instant did I want her as a love interest for Hulk. Only a nut would even think of that.
“goofiness” rarely damages the success of a good movie, particularly if it’s a summer blockbuster.
This overt embarrassment at the original source material is one of the greatest and most problematic divisions between Marvel and DC adaptations. While David S. Goyer makes cracks about comic book fans being unbangable geeks and the Martian Manhunter being too weird to film, Marvel Studios is laughing all the way to the bank with unrepentantly weird and light-hearted movies like Thor and Guardians of the Galaxy. They also have no problem drawing in new audiences, even for relatively obscure titles that most people have never even heard of.
Remember that time Grant Morrison wrote his own ending to MAN OF STEEL?
Andy Hunsaker: You mentioned Superman earlier, and I just wanted to thank you for that one beat in All-Star Superman where he stops on the building and just hugs a girl who’s about to kill herself. That’s one of the best and most powerful Superman moments I’ve ever seen, and, holy jeez, I’m tearing up right now just thinking about it.
Grant Morrison: I did as well! What I love most about that is that it’s actually real kids’ lives! You can look this up online. Kids writing in saying ‘I was about to commit suicide and I read that scene and I didn’t,’ and then other people said ‘that happened to me as well.’ For me, that’s Superman! That was how Superman works. He’s not real, he can never be real, he’s never going to break anyone’s neck, but he just saved a kid’s life. A creature of paper saved a kid’s life, and to me, that’s what’s great about comics and about superheroes. They don’t have to be real to be functional.
AH: Speaking of Superman breaking necks, what did you think about Man of Steel?
GM: I try to just take things on their own level. I enjoyed a lot of the film. It’s not my Superman in any way, but I enjoyed a lot of the work. But I just couldn’t buy into snapping Zod’s neck. Superman would have got Zod and flew him to the moon and punched the shit out of him on the moon. Superman thinks ‘Zod’s getting his powers from the sun, but he’s only been here for a few weeks, he won’t be that powerful. So it’s basically my power against his.’ That’s what happens in my scene. Then he hits him to Mars. Then he hits him to Pluto. The two of them punching it out on the barren, black landscape of Pluto.
AH: Yeah, I’d rather have seen that!
GM: Then Zod’s losing his powers, and Superman’s maybe losing his a little bit, so who goes first? That would be my version. To me, Superman’s the one character who solves problems by NOT killing people. Honestly, I think that should be a rule, because there’s no others. It makes you think differently if you’re doing it. You can’t just solve this problem Elliott Ness would solve it or the way Arnold Schwarzenegger would solve it. You should solve it like Superman would solve it.
AH: I don’t know if Arnold Schwarzenegger solves any problems.
GM: (laughs) He causes more problems than he’s ever solved. But just for your imagination, just to allow you to play with that as a concept. But filmmakers have got their own ways of looking at things, and there’s this idea of trying to make everything grounded and real, and so obviously they believe that it’s real that most of us would snap the necks of our enemies, given the chance.
It’s totally cool if the destruction of Metropolis in Man of Steel makes you uncomfortable, I would challenge you to ask yourself why it makes you uncomfortable, but if that scale of destruction makes you uncomfortable that’s cool. However, if you are pissed about the destruction of Metropolis and don’t have similar criticisms for Pacific Rim, 2012, Titanic, The Day After Tomorrow, Godzilla, The Avengers, Independence Day, or The Edge of Tomorrow you are straight up hypocritical. You don’t get to choose which huge cinema death tolls you find acceptable, and you don’t get to decide that your comfort level exists only when the victims of that violence are invisible and nameless. It is a hard truth that people suffer the onset and fall out of natural disasters, it is a hard truth that people suffer at the hands of governments who add up civilian bodies like points on a scoreboard, it is a hard truth that many of you reading this have a lifestyle that is supported by an attempted or successful genocide, and it is a hard truth that the American government is currently remote-terrorizing citizens in the Middle East with a program you fund with your tax dollars.
All of this should make you very, very, uncomfortable. I’m proud of this movie for not flinching away from truth, for showing the victims of terror, war, and genocide; for depicting an invasion in its true colors. My movie violence isn’t cool or aesthetically pleasing or exciting, it is terrible and it always involves cost. If you’re uncomfortable with large-scale scene of violence and destruction, I respect that, I have a very hard time with seeing certain types of violence depicted on screen and instead of condemning that violence I elect to avoid such films, but if your interest is in seeing the violence and destruction itself separated from cost, recognize that that is a privilege and has nothing to do with the quality of Man of Steel or your apparent “moral objection” to it.
I think She-Hulk is the chick that you could fuck if you were Hulk, you know what I’m saying? … She-Hulk was the extension of the male power fantasy. So it’s like if I’m going to be this geek who becomes the Hulk then let’s create a giant green porn star that only the Hulk could fuck.
David S. Goyer, screenwriter for Man of Steel, the Dark Knight trilogy, and the upcoming Superman vs. Batman film.
Goyer’s disgusting comments say way more about him as a person than they do about She-Hulk — who is not only a lawyer but the Hulk’s cousin, for god’s sake — or about anything else.
Dudes need to stop seeing female characters as extensions of their male power fantasies.
Pacific Rim 2 Officially Dead - Guillermo Del Toro In Talks For Fantastic Voyage
It looks as though the on-again, off-again sequel to 2013′s ‘Pacific Rim’ is officially off, once and for all.
According to The Hollywood Reporter, the follow-up to director Guillermo Del Toro’s monsters-versus-robots epic is “off the table indefinitely” - and in its place, del Toro has entered talks with 20th Century Fox to helm a rather different sci-fi spectacular.
Del Toro is reportedly gearing up to take the helm on ‘Fantastic Voyage,’ a remake of the 1966 sci-fi classic which starred Raquel Welch and Donald Pleasance as members of a team who are miniaturized in a submarine and injected into the body of a dying scientist in order to save his life.
James Cameron will produce the remake, and the script is to be co-written by David Goyer (who wrote one of del Toro’s early hits, ‘Blade II’) with Justin Rhodes.
It seems that the lukewarm reaction to del Toro’s 2015 movie ‘Crimson Peak’ may have contributed in part to studio Universal finally putting ‘Pacific Rim 2′ on ice.
Del Toro previously worked with James Cameron on his passion project ‘At The Mountains of Madness,’ before this was also cancelled by Universal. (All this, and he can’t get a greenlight for ‘Hellboy 3′ either.)
No release date or casting for ‘Fantastic Voyage’ have been announced yet.
Picture Credit: Legendary/Warner Bros, 20th Century Fox
…By making such brilliant remarks like : “I think She-Hulk is the chick that you could fuck if you were Hulk, you know what I’m saying? … She-Hulk was the extension of the male power fantasy. So it’s like if I’m going to be this geek who becomes the Hulk then let’s create a giant green porn star that only the Hulk could fuck.” (source)
I’m so glad Stan Lee was quick enough to shut him up like he deserved: "I know I was looking for a new female superhero, and the idea of an intelligent Hulk-type grabbed me.Never for an instant did I want her as a love interest for Hulk. Only a nut would even think of that.”(source)
A word of advise to the untalented fuck that made Superman kill on screen, and quit his American citizenship in the comics. The guy who wrote and directed the clusterfuck called “Blade trinity” and wrote the crapfest Ghost Rider parts I and II…
“So, why do you write these strong female characters? Because you’re still asking me that question.“
- The Guy Marvel put in charge of all their movies
“So the Hulk was this classic male power fantasy. It’s like, most of the people reading comic books were these people like me who were just these little kids getting the shit kicked out of them every day… And so then they created She-Huk, right? Who was still smart… I think She-Hulk is the chick that you could fuck if you were Hulk, you know what I’m saying? … She-Hulk was the extension of the male power fantasy. So it’s like if I’m going to be this geek who becomes the Hulk then let’s create a giant green porn star that only the Hulk could fuck.”
NBC's Constantine hasn’t officially been canceled yet, but its first season has just been limited to 13 episodes.
Constantine is based on the cult DC/Vertigo comic Hellblazer, which was previously adapted into a movie starring Keanu Reeves. Showrunners Daniel Cerone and David S. Goyer are both fans of the comics and wanted to make a more loyal adaptation than the movie. Even so, many comic fans are still dubious about the end result. Although the series stays true to the comics by portraying the lead character as a blond Englishman, many episodes share the predictable style and tone of shows like The CW's Supernatural. As an episodic action/horror show with a white male antihero protagonist, Constantine just doesn’t stand out from the competition.
Here is my problem, among so many problems, with what Goyer said about Shulkie. (And contrary to what some idiot in the She Hulk tag said, I don’t think he was joking and I honestly do not care if he was. What he said has no excuse.)
Jennifer Walters, and She Hulk, are not extensions of the male power fantasy. She is most definitely not there as a stand in for a woman the Hulk can fuck. Firstly, she is his cousin, which makes Goyer’s accusation on her creation acutely disgusting. Secondly, her character creation came about because Stan Lee and Marvel didn’t want anyone else to snag a copyright on the She Hulk name. If they had wanted to give Hulk a fuck buddy, they wouldn’t have made them cousins.
If anything, She Hulk is actually a female power fantasy. Here you have a character, created in 1980, who was an incredibly talented attorney and had her talent unquestionably accepted by most of her peers. Jennifer Walters has always been unbelievably intelligent, quick thinking, and strategic. She was also quiet, fairly shy, and so devoted to her work it left little time for a life outside of her work.
She Hulk, by contrast, is wild, fierce, and fearless. She Hulk, while still smart and strategic, has a tendency to act first and think second. No one overlooks the She Hulk. She Hulk is boisterous, outgoing, sexually liberated, and unafraid. She’s the free and carefree side of Jennifer Walters, that Jennifer Walters never let out. This is the superhero who used to throw parties so damn wild that it literally caused structural damage to the Avengers mansion. She banged Tony Stark, she hit it and quit it with Hercules (which he was very sad about, by the way), and has had more than her share of gorgeous models.
Kind of like how Hulk is the other half of Bruce Banner’s coin. Noticing a trend here?
She Hulk has served with damn near every team up Marvel has ever had. She’s been a member of the Avengers, Defenders, Fantastic Four, Fantastic Force, Heroes for Hire, S.H.I.E.L.D., the Initiative, the Magistrati, the Hulkbusters, Future Foundation, and Mighty Avengers. She has lead teams of the Lady Liberators and helped the Fearless Defenders.
Has she been highly sexualized, mostly to appeal to mouthbreathing, bottom feeding male readership? Absolutely. Has she been drawn in some seriously horrific ways? Of course. Have most of her costume designs been pretty ridiculously sexist? Yup. All of that is pretty standard for any female character who exists in comic books, especially stand alone female characters, like She Hulk.
What Goyer said is not a rephrasing of the criticism women have been making of comic representations of women at all. Instead what he said is a perpetuation of the idea that it is acceptable to view women character in this way, to treat them this way, and to reduce them to less than their male counterparts. What he said is the problem not a critique of the problem. Absolutely nothing he said indicated that he was A) joking or B) in any way critical of his stated interpretation of She Hulk’s character and creation.
She Hulk is not, nor was she ever, a “classic male power fantasy.”
She Hulk is not, nor was she ever, the “chick you could fuck if you were Hulk”. In fact, I don’t think she’s ever fucked any of the Hulks in canon. Which sort of disproves that “only the Hulk could fuck” her.
She Hulk is not an extension of anything except Jennifer Walters.
She Hulk was actually not created for little kids who get “the shit kicked out of them everyday.” She was created to keep other companies, namely Universal, from copyrighting the name.