anonymous asked:

If Modest stays till Dec why did they get rid of Eleanor NOW? And how the hell did Zayn get out of his Modest contract?

My entire point ever is that we don’t know when the Modest contract ends. Maybe it’s April. Maybe it’s October. Maybe it’s December. Maybe it’s some other time entirely. Assuming that it must be either April or December is poor reasoning. And I want to be clear: I’m not arguing that it’s NOT April, and I never have been. There’s simply not enough information or evidence for me to feel confident about any particular option, so I’m just theory-less on this front.

Anyway, there are a number of possibilities about Eleanor, like for example: maybe the Elounor contract ended, and she declined to renew it. The end of Elounor might be pointing toward the imminent departure of Modest, but not necessarily.

As for Zayn: well I personally am not ruling out the possibility that he’s still contractually tied to Modest. Why did they let him leave? If Billboard is correct, then it’s pretty simple: their contract has a “leaving member” clause that governs this exact situation. Billboard was talking about the Sony contract, but I would expect their management contract to match their recording contract in those kinds of aspects — it would be a legal disaster otherwise.

anonymous asked:

i feel a little bad that u believe in larry tbh... it's illegal for a managing company (like modest) to make a client of theirs do something based on their orientation, such as having a "beard". Also, if you love one direction so much, why can't you trust them when they say they are in a happy relationship? : /

Dear anon,

may I please introduce myself. I am Kat, I have a background in law and public policy, I do research and advocacy, and I started a blog (or two, three) a few years ago because I am also passionate about social justice. Since then I have been arguing that bisexuals are real (yes, having a male partner and a kid doesn’t make you straight), and so is Larry (yes, Louis and Harry are engaged to be married and have been forcefully closeted by their management company). I am in a generous mood today so I will summarize my arguments and help you find the most important stuff in the posts that I did tag. I apologize for having been messy with them

1. It SHOULD be illegal for a managing company to make a client of theirs do something based on their orientation and as a human rights lawyer, I have made the argument plenty of times (eg here) that the boys may have a case against Modest, BUT, it probably IS in their contracts anyway because, you know, contract law and the entertainment business aren’t very fair and the most powerful player will always abuse their power, so all they could do was go through lengthy procedures which would have killed their career OR sit out the ride with as little cooperation as possible. And the latter is what they did. They got the support of a more powerful player than Modest (Irving Azoff) and fought the battle indoors. Smart move. All of that in my (very incomplete) contracts tag

2. On the reasons we “cannot trust” @Louis_Tomlinson when he says he is in a happy relationship with Eleanor, I am sure that argument has been made much better by others than it has been by me. But in essence 1. Celebrities do not control their own twitter, their PR does because a lot of people’s wages and revenue depend on their public image 2. The entertainment industry, and people in it, will lie to you, they are not your friend, they are selling you a product and they will tell you whatever is needed to sell that product to you 3. I do not necessarily believe that Louis and Harry are the kind of entertainers who would do anything to sell their product to me and lying about their sexuality is - in my opinion - not something they like doing for it. I think they would much prefer not to. And this is exactly why I love them: because they have done strictly what they ahd to by contract, but did not cave to the pressure to conform. I find that inspiring as an LGBTQ person. 4. And when you are actively being closeted by your management company, you will be required to lie or misrepresent the truth. The fact that Louis is lying to me when he represents Eleanor as his girlfriend in interviews does not mean that Louis is not trustworthy as a person, or that he is not worthy of my love. Citing from this post here : “People’s motivations depend on the context. We see a guy who is confident and comfortable and trying to be truthful in most contexts and that knowledge makes it difficult to imagine that he would be uncomfortable/deliberately lying in another context. I don’t think that’s so farfetched though.” The simple motivation to Louis’ lying being: he is contractually obliged to do so. And one more thing about the closet, because it is important to me, a lot of people like to blame the person in the closet for lying, but you have to remember no one goes to hide in a closet because they are lying cowards. No one. Everyone who breaks out of it though is a fucking amazingly brave person. Please remember that in the months to come.

It has been a pleasure, anon, I hope you read all the links and visit again.

Yours sincerely


PS = note to self - I think it’s time I updated my blog with decent tags and a tags page if someone is still trying to convince me with these arguments.

anonymous asked:

Hey, just a quick q about contracts in general! Can a mgmt team really prevent someone from coming out if they want to? They can definitely advise against it etc.. but isn't saying "oh no you can't come out" a human rights violation? Don't you think H&L would've come out already if they had wanted to? :C

This is an interesting question, actually.

Can a closeting provision (either explicit or implicit) be in a contract? Totally. Would a court uphold it? We don’t know yet! There’s no precedent for that kind of case (as far as I know?).

Do I think they would have come out already if they want to? Noooooooo. If they did, and Modest sued them, it could be an absolute nightmare. I don’t think this fandom understands how terrible lawsuits really are, especially when they involve as much money as this one would.

That said, if Harry and Louis have legal grounds to sue Modest when this is all said and done, and their claim is still timely, blah blah blah, and they’re willing to go through that process, and they WIN, it could have an enormous impact on…a lot of things in this world, really.

lapelosa said:

I think some of the gaps between intense periods have been very blatant, like Aug to Nov, and then in Feb it started up again. But it’s been more about continuous subtle working on people, with intense periods interspersed, and then cooling down again to keep people from getting too worked up too soon. I think of it like moving a glacier, constant incremental movements with occasional avalanches. And yes since Nov/Dec 2013.

(About this)

Yeah i agree. At the time i didn’t realize it might be a three months cycles, but the changes have always been there to me (me, Kat, Ed and Ceren had so many convos about this) and when i  read your three months cycles theory, and i saw May/August/November/February  i realized those months seemed recurrent, because i had started the little changes tag after November 2013 (as also Kat noticed in that post)  and the headlines masterpost on February 2014.

So, a three months cycles plan, starting November/December 2013 (when they likely signed the extension with Modest) , using subliminal persuasion, like Jess suggested.

Looking forward to see what will happen in May (if it was a one and a half years plan) and in November (if it was a two years plan). And “surprise”, also the speculation about the timing of the extension seems coming full circle.

Anyway, i love your analogy. Every time the movements are bigger and more powerful. Also like throwing a stone into the water, every time further, hence making more concentric circles. 

anonymous asked:

Do you think that their contract with their HJPR is ending too? Has anyone in the fandom talked about it? I know we've noticed some weird things management-wise (eg. the lack of promo) Anyway, I went to HJPR's website and I've noticed their One Direction bio is old - it talks about the 2nd album and how 2013 could be One Direction's year - I found that weird so I've checked Little Mix and THEIR bio is up to date, about their new album and everything.


I’m in ‘wait and see’ mode, but: I’m thinking yes.

Watch on

Here’s the interview that’s the source of the gifsets going around today. I don’t hear Zayn say “on Friday.”

It’s still possible that the contract does end in April 2015, which would fit with OTRA tour dates, but I don’t think we have a firm basis for a date of resigning.

anonymous asked:

“maybe it wouldn’t be so crazy” I'm admitting that if they are capable to stop interacting in public to manipulate some fans perception maybe they would be capable of lying and covering other truths(and it wouldn't be too far fetched). It did happen in the past in other boybands. It's 2014 though and times have changed and I'm not sure their situation, if they were gay and in a relationship together, would require so many precautions. It's sad if it were true.--

—Plus, the boys don’t seem the types who would get themselves in such a big tangle of lies. But what do I know. (With“other certain extents”I meant bearding, lying etc and “different things” I meant them being in relationships with girls, them not being a couple etc)


The first half of your message is such a great point (and it’s really nice to see someone who’s clearly skeptical about Harry and Louis being the one to make the point). If they could go to great effort to influence public perception about the nature of Harry and Louis’s relationship in one way, why couldn’t they do the same, but in reverse? This is literally a billion-dollar brand we’re talking about, in an industry that’s built on lies and the manipulation of public perception. There is no reason to think the powers that be wouldn’t work very hard to protect a secret they think would jeopardize an incredibly profitable brand.

As for the “they don’t seem the types” argument — I think this fandom seriously underestimates the power of contract and seriously overestimates the power that the boys had when they first signed with Syco and Modest!. Remember, they only placed third on The X-Factor, and there hadn’t been a massively successful boy band in years. They were incredibly young, and desperate to have careers in the industry. They had virtually no power, and I’d guess they would have been willing to agree to a lot of provisions that might not have been their personal preferences. They would have had to be in order to have careers at all.

In this industry, it doesn’t matter very much what people seem the type to do, especially when we’re talking about their initial contract (I’m keeping a close eye on the changes between this tour and last and thinking about which power dynamics have changed). The entertainment industry covers up enormous amounts of truths (dude, Hollywood closeting often includes marriage and babies — don’t tell me that Elounor-level bearding is too much effort for a billion-dollar boy band), and people accept it without question because they don’t want to believe they’re being deceived. But they are.

Also! Not everybody is ready to be out of the closet! I think we’ve seen plenty of indications that Harry and Louis have both been pounding on the closet door at various points in time, but it’s completely possible that at least when they started their careers, they weren’t ready to be out to the whole world (and given the homophobia I’ve seen in some parts of this fandom, I certainly can’t blame them). If that’s the case, the last thing they need from their fans is condemnation of any lies in which they were complicit. Remember: staying closeted is not cowardice.

Finally, while it’s true that it’s 2014 and public perceptions of homosexuality are improving daily, the entertainment industry — especially the big moneymakers like One Direction — is still incredibly closeted. If Harry and Louis come out soon, I think it will be more attributable to their own need to be out of the closet than to any changes in society.

I just wanted people to get this info too. As I grew up in the nineties and the Stone Roses were a huge influence on The British scène of that time, I recognized the shirt - I also knew the documentary - but fourcryingoutloud is right: it is an interesting story in reference to 1D. Not necessarily because Louis meant this as a reference - Stone Roses are just a really cool band - like Joy Division etc, the other stuff he wears t-shirts of. But it’s significant in the sense that they had so much trouble with their management and contract that, by the time they got out of it, their ‘wave’ had passed. Pretty sure this story was at the back of my head when I wrote a post about why it would be wiser for Louis and Harry to sit out a three (or five) year contract with MM and then change managements rather than try to break free early, even if the conditions are homophobic and murdering. Legal trouble in cases like these can mean a dent in or the end of one’s career for all the wrong reasons.

anonymous asked:

There has been a lot of speculation about the changing of management after the year is up, and thus the ending of Elounor- and I'm sure the ending of a whole plethora of other things. But is it possible that they just renegotiated the contract? That way all the people who work with 1d, but are hired by mm! aren't out of a job, but the boys get what they want? mm! would be stupid not to do everything they could to keep them on board.

Well, there are several possibilities.

— It’s a five-year contract or some other deal meaning it’s not up for renewal in mid-December 2013.

— It’s a three-year contract up for renewal in mid-December 2013.

     — They completely change management companies (with the quality of that management company and the nature of closeting restrictions an unknown).

     — They stay with Modest, but negotiate terms more favorable to themselves (they have power and experience they didn’t have previously).

     — They stay with Modest and things carry on the same as before.

I’d say the last option is the least likely.

But yeah I don’t know.

fuzzypurplestuff asked:

On the subject of them making the choice to take the money. Yes, they signed the contract, but remember how clear that glass closet was for a very long time. I think the rules were changed on them. The way the contract was enforced was clearly changed in 2012.

Anon said:

For that anon: I’m sorry but no, I can’t blame them. Harry and Louis were 16 and 18 when they signed that contract, probably they didn’t understand what that would entail. Also I think they never really thought that it would ever go this far. I can’t blame two boys when their own management abused them. Not when I see how much they were miserable in these past years during their stunts. Not when they are fighting day after day. Nothing will ever justify what they’ve done to them. Nothing.

ontangledshores asked:

i think maybe itll be a glass closet type. so theyll be able to be closer and basically be a couple w/o holding hands, kissing, any solid evidence, until after the tour and they dont have stadiums to sell and time to themselves after the fact.

Actually i agree. It looks like they’re slowly undermining every slayer of the closet, going backwards in time (we are now around August 2012 with touching and sitting together at Awards) so i can easily picture a glass closet like during X Factor until the end of the Tour.

And then, after the Tour ends (and after the contract with Modest ends, whenever it will be -as i said i think October 2015-)…


But i won’t be shocked if it will be happen befor that.

All 6 2PM members re-sign with JYPE until 2018

All six 2PM members are revealed to have re-signed their contracts with JYP Entertainment for 3 more years.

Though 2AM's Seulong and Jinwoon are reported to be leaving, their brother group 2PM will be sticking with JYPE until 2018. A JYPE rep stated on March 26, "All the 2PM members have completed the re-signing process. The duration of the new contract is from January 2015 to January of 2018. We’ve discussed the contract renewal since the autumn of 2014 with the 2PM members. The members all expressed their wish to re-sign, and they renewed their contracts together."

It seems as if fans won’t have to worry about 2PM disbanding anytime soon as they’ll be with JYPE at least until January of 2018 and maybe even longer!

In other news, 2PM have recently been keeping busy with individual activities.


anonymous asked:

sorry i just have a bunch of questions and i decided to write em all in the same ask. why do you think they have a 3 years contract with modest and not a 5 years one? and what do you think about the possibility of a coming out before the WWA tour starts? and the last one, what do you think about the theory of the Elounor break up being announced before NYE (more likely tomorrow evening)? thank you, your blog is really inspiring xx

No, thank you for your kind words.

1) On the contract with Modest.

I think they had a three years contract for a few reasons:

  • a) First of fall, and basically, because the one with Syco was also  a 3 years contract. I believe that signing a management contract with an artist for five years, if that artist had only a 3 years Record contract would have made no sense

[As I said here a 3 years contract would have left the door open for two possibilities:

i)  At the end of the three years, 1D signed with a new management company.

ii) They resigned with Modest at better terms (I cannot imagine they would ever  have resigned at the same terms and conditions) Now I tend to believe they signed  with a new company, because the contract ended likely around December 12 th/December 17 th (they signed after 2010 X-Factor final) and I think Modest would have already made an announcement of the renewal (like Syco did)]

  • b) It seemed Modest goal was to make the most money in the short term. They did tire the boys out. They did overload their audience with a over-the-top merchandising. They did alienate a part of the fandom.
  • c) Lately it seemed they did not care about their brand anymore:  no promo for Midnight Memories and Thisisus, a big delay in the announcement of the American leg of the WWA Tour etc

 2) On the coming out.

I’m less optimistic than some of my friends on a coming out before the WWA Tour starts.

This is an amazing post of people questioning if the former closeting would effect  the way audience would deal with a coming out. As i said there i tend to believe people would forget everything and they would focus only in the positiviness of it. It happened before. It is also true, however, that two band mates at the peek of their career coming out would be a first. Morover, i’m not sure they would be able to tell all the truth about the former closeting and the bearding so I ask myself if they would accept to tell more lies about their love story.

I think it also has a lot to do with their new management vision. At the moment i tend to believe there will be more likely a glassy glass closet until the WWA Tour. Everything is possible, though  (and i’m sure about one thing: their coming out would change a lot of lives. I said something about it also here. )  I hope my theory will be soon belied by the facts, though. After all, Louis just saw a shooting star for the first time.

3) On the announcement of an Elounor break-up .

Fist of all, I do believe the contract ended, for these reasons:

  • a) This a consequence of my believes on 1). Signing a bearding contract lasting longer than their management contract would have made no sense.
  • b) Also Louis new found happiness, the lacking of Elounor in the last month (hell, not even a Christmas tweet!), a few articles suggesting the fame was hard for Eleanor..

So, the obvious question to be asked is: when will we hear an announcement? I think it also has a lot to do with their new management vision. Would they like a quetly break-up? Would they like to emphasize the news? If it’s the former, yes an announcement just before an holiday would be a clever thing to do. Well, we can only wait, and see.