This is a compilation of evidence confirming the very popular sun and moon theory (and overall ryden). Basically, the theory is that Panic! At The Disco’s Brendon Urie and Ryan Ross have a romantic relationship, which they hint at in songs through the titles ‘sun’ (Brendon) and ‘moon’ (Ryan). I will prove this theory to be true using lyrics from Ryan’s solo music, Panic! Lyrics, lyrics from songs released by Ryan’s band ‘The Young Veins,’ and general background knowledge of the bands. I do not mean to offend anyone, and I am not saying this is fact. I just know us fangirls need some hope, so I’m gathering it all into one (soft and) neat pile. I understand that Brendon is happily married, and this is only for fun.
A Fever You Can’t Sweat Out:
This was the band’s first album, meaning Ryan and Brendon had not known each other as long, and may not have been together yet. So, understandably, there are no sun and moon references in this album.
1- Nine In The Afternoon- “And your eyes are the size of the moon.” This is a simple reference to the moon, but considering it is mentioned in a song that refers to the people in the song as lovers (“feeling as good as lovers can”), it can be seen as evidence.
2- Do You Know What I’m Seeing?- “Clouds are marching along,” “I never gave a damn about the weather and it never gave a damn about me,” and “birds are just hollow words.” All of these lyrics are describing things that can be found in the sky, as if the song is from the point of view of something in the sky, like a sun or a moon. Also, if you really wanna stretch it, you could take the lyric “if I go to hell, will you come with me” as evidence. Going to hell is going down, and something that lives in the sky might see earth as hell.
3- I Have Friends In Holy Spaces- “I’d like it a lot more than you think, if the sun would come out and sing with me.” Ryan sings very rarely, but after this song, Ryan has some important vocal parts. Sure, Ryan is the moon, so that doesn’t make too much sense, but it seems too perfect to be a coincidence.
4- Northern Downpour- “Hey moon, please forget to fall down.” It says moon, and I’m not gonna try to look any farther into the lyrics because I don’t understand what sugarcane and weather vanes have to do with anything.
5- When The Day Met The Night- “When the moon fell in love with the sun,” “When the sun found the moon,”and “All was golden when the day met the night.” This song is the best piece of evidence for this theory. The entire song is just telling the love story of the sun and the moon. Also, in a live version of the song, Brendon accidentally used male pronouns for both the sun and the moon.
6- She Had The World- “Spun the stars on her fingernails,” “When I look in her eyes, well I, just see the sky,” and “the sun was always in her eyes.” The entire song makes many references to the sky, which is a clue in itself, but the song also specifically says that they see the sun in the person’s eyes.
7- Mad As Rabbits- (Evidence of ryden, not sun and moon) “Paul Cates” and “Reinvent love.” Paul Cates is an lgbt activist, and reinvent love is referring to lgbt relationships, like ryden.
Vices And Virtues:
This is the album after Ryan left, so almost none of this evidence is sun and moon, and instead just Brendon being salty af.
1- The Ballad Of Mona Lisa- “Say what you mean, tell me I’m right, and let the sun rain down on me.” I take this as Brendon being angry that Ryan left, and saying ‘Well forget our sun and moon thing’ by using it in spite of him.
2- Let’s Kill Tonight- Let me begin this by saying, I thought this song was talking about having a hell of a night, but he might be saying ‘let’s murder Ryan tonight.’ I’ll take it piece by piece. “Make room! We’re taking over here.” Everyone says Ryan left because of musical differences, so Brendon might be saying that he is finally taking control of the band and doing what he wants with it. “Cold and alone, it suits you well.” This is probably Brendon teasing Ryan by saying that he will be alone because he no longer has Brendon. “May your feet serve you well, and the rest be sent to hell.” His feet serving him well is referring to him walking out on the band, and the other part is just him telling him to go to hell. “Where they have always belonged.” He is telling Ryan he belongs in hell. “Cold hearts brew colder songs.” This honestly might be a crack at Ryan’s songwriting skills. “Let’s kill tonight.” Basically, he wants to murder Ryan.
3- Hurricane- “You’re behind my eyelids when I’m all alone.” He still thinks about Ryan, but he is ashamed of that. “I want you to catch me like a cold.” He wants to be held in Ryan’s arms. “Give me peace, Oh, kiss me.” He wants Ryan to kiss him. Pretty obvious.
4- Memories- “She was the youngest of the family, and the last to be let go.” Brendon is the youngest band member and will be the last original member to be let go because everyone else left poor bden. “When they decided they would try to make it on their own.” Jon and Ryan decided to try and make music on their own. “When July became December, their affection fought the cold.” Ryan left in July, so maybe Ryan and Brendon tried to stay together after he left, but it slowly became harder because of touring and being in different bands. “They were young and independent, And they thought they had it planned, Should have known right from the start, you can’t predict the end.” Ryan and Brendon thought they would be together forever, but they did not.
5- Trade Mistakes- I feel like Brendon wrote this song from Ryan’s POV after he left Panic! Keep that in mind when reading the lyrics. “If I ever leave, I could learn to miss you, but ‘sentimental boy’ is my nom de plume.” A nom de plume is a pseudonym. So, he may be saying, Ryan seems emotionally cold, but he really does miss Brendon after leaving. “If I trade mistakes for sheep.” This is saying that leaving panic! Was a mistake on Ryan’s part.
6- Always- “I’m a fly that’s trapped in a web, but I’m thinking that, my spider’s dead.” He is saying that he is in love (caught in a web), but the spider is never going to come end his suffering (Ryan will never come back.) The song overall is a hopeless song of unrequited love that seems to perfectly fit the emotions Brendon would be feeling after his boyfriend left him.
7- Sarah Smiles- “I was fine just a guy living on my own, waiting for the sky to fall.” This is saying that he was all alone, waiting for the moon to come back. (I died when I figured that one out.)
8- Nearly Witches- “Marching clocks.” This is a lyric from Behind The Sea, so Brendon is referencing Ryan’s lyrics. (This lyric was one added by Brendon, so it was not from the demo.) “As a girl.” He was trying so hard to make it sound like he wasn’t talking about Ryan that it has the opposite effect. “Trembling hands play my heart like a drum but the beats gotten lost in the show.” This is saying that Ryan (a musician) used to love Brendon, but now Brendon wasn’t so sure if he did.
9- Stall Me- “Why would you bring me in if you knew what you’d become?” Brendon is asking why Ryan would ever start their relationship if he knew he was going to leave the band. “So curse everyone and everything, even the sun.” I think Brendon is saying that he hates everything, even himself.
10- Kaleidoscope Eyes- “I’ll still be here, wishing and waiting for you to come home.” Does that even need explaining?
Too Weird To Live, Too Rare To Die:
At this point, Brendon is in a very serious relationship (which became marriage in April of the year this album was released), so he had no references to Ryan. If you look really far into it (which I have done), you will find evidence, but it makes me sound like a crazy conspiracist.
Death Of A Bachelor:
1- House of Memories- “Memories turn into daydreams.” He is referencing the song Memories, saying that the pain that comes with remembering Ryan has faded. “When your fantasies. Become your legacies, promise me a place, in your house of memories.” He is saying that whenever Ryan becomes big in the music industry (hopefully), Brendon wants Ryan to remember him. “I think of you from time to time, more than I thought I would.” Brendon continues to think about Ryan, even six years after Ryan left. “Thoughts of past lovers, they’ll always haunt me.” Brendon continues on the idea of Ryan ‘haunting’ him, which originates in the song Nearly Witches.
And that is the end of Panic! They have not released music since that album, and I’m sure if they did, it has been so long that they would provide no new evidence. So, now we shall move on to the most depressing segment, but the section that contains really convincing evidence. Ryan Ross’ solo music!
1- Lonely Moonlight- “The sun went down.” He lost Brendon. “Another day I lost, filled with regret.” He regrets leaving Panic! “I wandered through the sunshine, remembering when you were mine.” He is remembering whenever the sun was his. “Lonely moonlight.” A lonely moon lets off lonely moonlight, and he is very lonely without Brendon. “When I had a younger heart, you told me not to fear the dark.” When he was younger, Brendon(the sun)’s light lit his way. Also known as Brendon helped him through tough times. “Someone I love, loves someone else.” Brendon married Sarah four months before this song was released. That makes this song even more heartbreaking.
2- At Your Window- “Then it’s been dark since the sun came up, and now that your window’s shut.” By saying that his window is shut, Ryan is trying to say that Brendon is shutting out the moon, or cutting all ties with Ryan, and ignoring him. “And I find myself outside, at your window in the night.” The moon is outside everyone’s window at night, so I think Ryan is saying that he still finds himself wanting to be Brendon’s moon. “Through the sun, I see where I come from.” He mentions the sun again. (like, Ryan, isn’t this a little much. Why don’t you just scream an admission of your love for Brendon?) “Throw a stone at your home do you really even live here.” Once again, he is being ignored by Brendon Urie.
3- I’m down- “We got down.” This might be saying that they are no longer the sun and the moon because they left the sky. Also the title of the song is evidence because Ryan might be referring to the lyric ‘hey moon, don’t you you go down’ from Northern Downpour. That title might be a way of saying that things are really over because the moon has gone down.
4- Where I Belong- “If you wanna see the sun, you’re gonna have to dig your way out.” If he wants Brendon back, he is gonna have to work hard to get back into Panic!. “I’m done with the dark.” He wants his sun back. “I know I should’ve never left.” He wishes he hadn’t left Panic! (I know that isn’t ryden proof but whatever)
And now for The Young Veins Section.
The beautiful music The Young Veins created before their tragic death (the band not the members Ryro and Jon are alive):
1- Maybe I Will, Maybe I Won’t- “At least will you come visit me.” Ryan wants Brendon to at least try and make their relationship work.
2- Everyone, But You- “She comes to me when I dream, I’m tired of counting sheep to see her, I sleep because I need her, And everybody knows it but you, But you.” He is basically saying that he dreams about Brendon and misses him, but Brendon is the only one who doesn’t know that.
3- Take A Vacation- “If this is settling down, then why aren’t you here?” It is hitting Ryan that he and Brendon will not be together forever. “We’ll leave the waves at the ocean,” and “and leave the sand in a suitcase, so we don’t forget the fun,” both connect to the fact that Brendon left his virginity on a beach in North Carolina. A beach, might I add, that him and Ryan were both swimming at least half naked in. Plus, Ryan posted a romantic poem that night about kissing at the beach. I need to post a separate theory all about the ocean.
4- The Young Veins (Die Tonight)- Ryan said this song was written before he and Jon had left Panic! He also said he was having girl (Brendon) problems at the time. “Is ‘young’ a word for ‘dumb,’ a word for ‘fun’?” He and Brendon were young, and he feels stupid that they ever thought things would work out between them. “But if I were to die tonight, Would you cry or deny, My place in your life?” Brendon may have been ashamed of being with Ryan, so Ryan wondered if Brendon even cared. “I’m aware that you’re scared, Of my heart, but it’s here.” They were both young when romantic lyrics began appearing in their songs, so Brendon may have been overwhelmed by being in love that soon. He might have been scared of being in a serious relationship. “The shame is enough to separate us.” We all know that Brendon is very accepting of every sexuality, but he may have been more hesitant back then. “It really hurts when it’s wrong.” Once again, they may have been ashamed of being in a relationship with another man.
5- Dangerous Blues- “All I do is lie by the ocean side.” Once again, this may be referring to the fact that Ryan and Brendon most likely had sex for the first time the same night that they visited a beach. “Step outside your door, and go to the shore.” This is also probably about Brendon and him having sex at the ocean.
6- Lie To The Truth- “I know I broke your heart, Mine is broken too, Now if we’re even, Then why are we both blue?” He may be saying that he broke Brendon’s heart by leaving, and he broke his own heart as well, so why don’t they just stop hurting each other and try to make things work.
7- Heart of Mine- “If I could ask for anything, I’d only want my girl… I had to leave her all alone.” Dude. He left Brendon when he left Panic!… Dude.
I will post a separate theory for the Myrtle Beach theory if anyone wants me to. Leave a comment if you want me to post any other Panic! theories or if you have anything to say about this theory.
A new song featuring Samantha called “Flamme à Lunettes (Flames and Glasses)” from Jack and The Cuckoo Clock Heart. Lyrics below:
Miss Acacia: My vision’s not quite right But glasses make me look a sight Enough to give the world a fright Like a sprite wearing specs
Jack: Oh fiery little sprite Conflagration in the night Don’t play games with your sight If it leaves you in the dark
Miss Acacia: I prefer, life all the blur I forget to wear my glasses When I sing I share caresses It feels good to close my eyes
Jack: Oh my pretty arsenist Let me clasp you close to me Or rip your clothes with my teeth And tear them into confetti To scatter as we kiss….
Miss Acacia: Confetti?
Jack: ….On you and me
Miss Acacia: All I see are stars Suddenly some days My eyes leave me astray Faraway down the street Until I can’t bare to steal A glance at the sun Or even look the sky straight in the eye All I see are stars
Jack: I won’t let you stray I’ll be your only guide Let me be your pair of eyes You will be my special flame
Miss Acacia: There’s one thing I must confess Of five senses my hearing’s best I’ll never recognize you by relying on my eyes
Jack: Smoldering embers, alone in the dark We’ll raise cascades of sparks As the clock of my heart Strikes midnight we’ll catch on fire And blaze so bright you’ll see the light
Miss Acacia and Jack: All I see are stars Suddenly some days My eyes leave me astray Faraway down the street Until I can’t bare to steal A glance at the sun Or even look the sky straight in the eye All I see are stars
❝ Clocks on the wall. ❞ ❝ Talk to watches on the wrist. ❞ ❝ It’s the moments we relive. ❞ ❝ It’s the moments like this. ❞ ❝ When it’s time to get ill. ❞ ❝ We be so ahead of time. ❞ ❝ It’s the moments we achieve. ❞ ❝ Best believe it’s the moments. ❞ ❝ Got a girl who’s up for the mating. ❞ ❝ I sense the need in her grandma. ❞ ❝ Fuck that, my man. ❞ ❝ Pass you by like “tick tock”. ❞ ❝ With a crew that’s bound to pack them in. ❞
Busted and Blue :
❝ Where does it come from? ❞ ❝ When everything was outside. ❞ ❝ I was asked by a computer. ❞ ❝ A shadow on the wall. ❞ ❝ An image made by Virgil. ❞ ❝ I’m through the echo-chambers. ❞ ❝ All my life. ❞ ❝ All my life, beam a light. ❞ ❝ On me, I am a satellite. ❞ ❝ I can’t get back without you. ❞ ❝ Be my love. ❞ ❝ Where do they come from? ❞ ❝ The wires that connect to us. ❞
Let Me Out :
❝ ______, they tried my patience. ❞ ❝ Who is left to save us? ❞ ❝ So together we mourn. ❞ ❝ I’m praying for my neighbors. ❞ ❝ They say the devil’s at work. ❞ ❝ You say I’m dangerous. ❞ ❝ I speak for the nameless. ❞ ❝ If the bands make ‘em dance. ❞ ❝ Am I passin’ into the light? ❞ ❝ Look into your eyes. ❞ ❝ You got to die a little if you wanna live. ❞ ❝ You’d best be ready for it. ❞ ❝ Yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s a shift in time. ❞
Sex Murder Party :
❝ Yeah, see, we goin’, sex murder party. ❞ ❝ I drove the kids. ❞ ❝ In tears of your priority. ❞ ❝ Caught up in this. ❞ ❝ Caught up in this murder. ❞ ❝ Trying to get away, but. ❞ ❝ I’m trapped in this phase. ❞ ❝ Caught up in this masquerade. ❞ ❝ I was out of control. ❞ ❝ Teach me hatred. ❞ ❝ Then let me go. ❞ ❝ You didn’t care. ❞ ❝ In the bathroom, blow everywhere. ❞
You drew a question mark
But you know what I want
I wanna turn back the clock
Right back to where it was
So let’s build a bridge
From your side to mine
I’ll be the one to cross over
Just tell me it’s not the end of the line