Caller Talks About Chloramine Coming to Pennsylvania Water Systems

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Caller calls Alex about chloramine coming to pennsylvania water systems to replace chlorine.

EPA Forces Chloramine in Water: Why Isn't Anyone Upset by This?!

The EPA is announcing that Tulsa, OK will become the latest city forced to add chloramine to the public drinking water. Just one question: WHY AREN’T PEOPLE UPSET BY THIS?!

The story posted below does not give a reason why chloramine—that’s chlorine mixed with ammonia—is being added to the public drinking water in yet another American city. I guess the EPA can just put whatever dangerous, deadly chemicals they want in water (which only makes up 80% of our bodies, so no big) and people will JUST DRINK IT WITHOUT QUESTION. After all, it’s only the government, and they always have our best interests at heart, right?

Another wonderful addition is the clause that it is only harmful to people who care for fish and those requiring dialysis! If you are already on dialysis, don’t drink the chloramine water (they have you where they want you); if you aren’t on dialysis, you probably will be AFTER YOU DRINNK THE CHLORAMINED (read: “chloraminated”) WATER!

Would you pour a nice cold glass of Lysol and drink that too? Do we not already have enough chemicals being forced into our water supply in the U.S.? Water fluoridation has been proven time and again in recent decades to be quite dangerous and bad for people’s health in a myriad of lovely, life-reducing ways. It calcifies the pineal gland, it can cause bone cancers and brain cancers, and Nazis used to add it to the water supplies of concentration camps to keep the unfortunate prisoners there docile so they would not attempt escape. Now the EPA is adding more nasty stuff to the water.

Please people. Beyond simply buying yourself a reverse-osmosis water filter, should we also not QUESTION THE SYSTEM on exactly *why* we need to consume all of these nasty chemicals on a daily basis? Oh, and don’t forget—you and your family are bathing in it too.


EPA standards force city of Tulsa to change water-treatment practices

A Fluoride-Free Pineal Gland is More Important than Ever

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"Benefits Outweigh the Risks"

Benefits Outweigh the Risks

I’ve noticed a trend lately in forums and article comments, as well as in the occasional article. People will go from zealously defending something as being perfectly safe to saying that the benefits of something outweigh the risks. This usually follows someone else showing them proof that a given thing does in fact have risks, but those risks are downplayed by whoever is profiting off the given substance or process.

Consider the peanut. We don’t have a ban on the sale of peanuts, but we do have mandatory warning labels that tell people if something might contain peanuts or peanut oil. That’s because some people are allergic to peanuts. Some have a life threatening allergic reaction to peanuts. We don’t ban the sale of them, but the potential threat is acknowledged by the scientific community in general.

Pro-GMO forums ranters usually spew insults that people who are “anti-GMO” supposedly don’t understand the safety testing and benefits associated with GMOs. There is no guarantee that a genetically modified version of a plant… often to the point that the plant now produces its own pesticide… that the modified version won’t create an allergic reaction in someone that would not otherwise have an allergic reaction to the unmodified version of the plant. There is no guarantee. So if we get to have warnings about a product containing peanuts, why is there so much aggression and defiance against labeling GMOs? There is an old phrase that goes, “The guilty ones scream the loudest”.

Chloramine has replaced Chlorine in water treatment, mostly because Chloramine reacts more slowly and stays at a somewhat steady level from the injection point to the end customer. It’s about saving a few bucks and staying within permits, which is also about saving a few bucks. However, some people have respiratory and skin reactions to chloramine, possibly due to the ammonia component. The fact that temperature and pH can cause mono-chloramine to shift to di- and tri-chloramine, which are more toxic, also plays a part in some people’s reactions to it. I don’t have specific numbers on what percentage of the population might be affected, but even if it’s close to the number of people who have reactions to peanuts, it deserves some kind of warning. A plumbers union in California also petitioned the state to allow them to use PVC instead of copper for piping because the Chloramine caused more extreme pitting in the pipes than otherwise would happen. But issuing a warning about Chloramine would likely create the same public reaction to issuing a warning about Fluoridation, massive class action lawsuits. Which takes us back to those attempts to save a few bucks. Ah the wonders of Capitalism.

In the vaccination controversies going on lately, we have some people claim that all vaccinations are perfectly safe and that “anti-vaccers” are “uneducated” and “paranoid”. Then they’re shown things like
The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program run by the U.S. Department of Health and Human services that have “The Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund provides funding for the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program to compensate vaccine-related injury or death claims for covered vaccines administered on or after October 1, 1988”. That sort of in-your-face didn’t-see-that-on-Fox-News tends to either shut people up or they immediately switch to arguing about risk to benefit ratios.

Never mind that a clear example of problems with those risk-to-benefits arguments was shown just this winter. It was announced that the latest batch of Flu vaccines were not going to be real effective because the predominant strain of Flu had mutated to the point it was different enough that the vaccine wouldn’t create good enough antibodies to stop it. A vaccine can give your body an idea of what to do with something, but if a strain mutates, it requires a different batch of vaccine to directly counter it. We’re also seeing problems with that in the Ebola vaccines being created. Add to that the requirements to regularly update your Hepatitis-B and Tetanus vaccinations, and we see that vaccination is not a cure all. It’s fairly irrational to say that a vaccine against a given disease is 100% guaranteed to wipe out that disease, and then tell people they have to get immunized against a new strain of Flu every winter. Something funny going on there.

Sure there’s a risk to benefit ratio, but that risk is a lot bigger than the general public is told and often than they want to accept. It’s both a gamble that a vaccine won’t have an adverse reaction with someone AND that the vaccine will actually accomplish anything against the strain they encounter.

Anyone who can feel morally superior while gambling with someone else’s life lacks actual morals. We all take risks every day. All we expect is for people to be honest and open about those risks, and for us to have the freedom to choose which risks we’re willing to take.

Now excuse me while I go eat some more peanuts.

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I cannot wait to get away from this city:

[Water Department reverts back to chloramine July 1st]
The City of [       ]  Water Utilities Department will revert to its normal disinfectant in the public water supply on Monday, July 1, having completed its temporary conversion to free chlorine. In the process of converting back to chloramine, there may be a change in the taste and odor of the water during the first week. Once chloramine disinfection is back in full process, the taste and odor of the water should return to what it was prior to the free chlorine disinfection program of the last four weeks. Chloramine disinfection uses a mixture of chlorine gas and liquid ammonium sulfate. Water customers who have kidney dialysis machines or aquariums are encouraged to contact their equipment suppliers to ensure they have the correct equipment for chloramine removal.
The periodic and temporary conversion from chloramines to free chlorine is a normal procedure for public water systems that ensures water safety in distribution lines and the
highest quality of drinking water. Because free chlorine is a stronger disinfectant, a noticeable chlorine odor and taste can occur.

Mine enemy, I know thy face and I dub thee "chloramine."

The tag line for this blog is “stumbling through homebrewing.” Perhaps I wrote that with a bit of affected humility, as I thought I was doing a great job with homebrewing and I wanted to share how great of a job I was doing with everyone.  But it turns out I was unwittingly stumbling the whole time. At least in one aspect, and probably in many more yet to be discovered.

A little over four weeks ago, I primed and bottled my Christmas beer:  Ubupe (meaning “gift”) Mint Chocolate Stout.   I was very excited to pop open the first bottle this past Sunday, in hopes of sipping a lovely Christmas beer while bottling the Mpriripiri Mexican Chocolate Stout.

Didn’t quite work out the way I wanted.

Why?  Because the Ubupe was terrible. I don’t think I’ve ever tasted a beer quite so awful, and I became acquainted with a fair amount of skunked PBR in my college days.  This beer was the worst.  Taking a sip of this beer was like gnawing on a rusty nail.

I was very disappointed, because I haven’t succeeded in creating a truly enjoyable beer since my third batch, and I was hoping this would be the one that bucked the trend.  But instead it was the worst yet.

After the initial period of angry frustration and feelings of hopelessness, I set out on a quest to figure out why my beer tasted like metal.  Most of what I found just didn’t seem applicable to my brew process.  All of the usual sources limited the causes for metallic off-flavors to:

unprotected metals dissolving into the wort but can also be caused by the hydrolysis of lipids in poorly stored malts. Iron and aluminum can cause metallic flavors leaching into the wort during the boil. The small amount could be considered to be nutritional if it weren’t for the bad taste. Nicks and cracks ceramic coated steel pots are a common cause as are high iron levels in well water. (How to Brew)

This just didn’t make sense for my beer. My water did not have a high level of iron, my pot is sufficiently oxidized to prevent any aluminum from leaching into the wort, and anyways, if there was metal in my water or if it was a brew kettle issue, wouldn’t I have tasted this before bottling?

My search was getting more and more frantic, since I was planning on brewing in a few short days and the last thing I wanted was to create another 5 gallons of undrinkable beer. A post on yielded no immediate results, but as I was reviewing past posts concerning metallic aftertastes, I decided to take a closer look at my water.

Water.  It’s the single biggest ingredient in beer. And I had paid it no attention.  The books I read actually TOLD me not to pay attention to water until I had mastered everything else.  I read that sentence and I moved on.  I missed the part that said don’t pay attention to water, unless…..

Unless you have chloramine.  Chloramine?  What’s chloramine??  It is apparently a relatively new form of disinfectant added to the public water supply.  Chlorine has long been the de rigueur disinfectant/sanitizer, but its volatile nature (it will dissipate with boiling or even if you let your water sit out in a bucket overnight) caused problems for utility companies.  This problem was solved by my newest enemy. 

Chloramine in its natural state is a liquid, so it does not disperse naturally, even if you boil it.  This makes it great for the public utilities, but awful for homebrewers.  When chloramine interacts with the beer ingredients during the beermaking process, chlorophenols are formed.  What are chlorophenols?  Well, there is a scientific definition, but the laybrewer’s definition is: things that make your beer taste terrible.  And since the flavors come into being during the fermentation/conditioning process, you’ve very little indication of the fact that the off flavors are coming from your water.  Chloramine is a stealthy sneaky killer of enjoyable homebrew.

Cholophenols also have a ridiculously low taste threshold.  Their gag-inducing presence can be detected at as little as 10 parts per billion.  Horrible. 

But generally, off-flavors from chloramine are perceived as band-aid, medicinal, harsh, or astringent.  Metallic is not the typical flavor.  However, chlorophenols take different forms based on the other ingredients of the beer.  Some are worse than others.  I finally felt like I had discovered the true cause of Ubupe tasting like a 1970s VW rabbit tailpipe when I found the following on Wikipedia, under the chloramine entry: “Chloramines should be removed from water for dialysis, aquariums, and homebrewing beer. Chloramines can interfere with dialysis, can hurt aquatic animals, and can give homebrewed beer a metallic taste.”

Aha! So how do you get rid of them?  Easy peezy. Adding a quarter campden tablet (potassium metabisufite) to your brewing water and in less than a minute…. no more chloramine.

So with my latest enemy vanquished, I move on to my brewday, when I tried and mostly failed to brew a Belgian Golden Strong Ale.  There will be more on this latest stumble of mine later, perhaps titled “The case of Why the heck is my efficiency 15 points lower than it usually is?”

Until next time, happy drinking!

Why Germicidal UVC Technology is Superior to Chlorine for Waste Water Treatment Disinfection

Ultraviolet (UVC) Light Technology has many advantages when it comes to Waste Water Treatment.  The receptivity to this technology has been relatively low over the years as Chlorine disinfection (Chlorination) technology had been the established treatment method.

Chlorine disinfection is currently the most common form of waste water disinfection used in North America and [is mostly due to its low initial cost and its long-term history of effectiveness. Its greatest disadvantage is that the chlorination of residual organic material can generate chlorinated-organic compounds that may be carcinogenic or harmful to the environment. Residual chlorine or chloramines may also be capable of chlorinating organic material in the natural aquatic environment. Further, because residual chlorine is toxic to aquatic species, the treated effluent must also be chemically dechlorinated, before releasing into the environment.  This extra step adds to the complexity and cost of this type of treatment. Chlorine disinfection also requires a larger footprint than UVC disinfection units, while requiring more maintenance.

UVC disinfection on the other had is an up and coming Waste Water Treatment process.  It is a non chemical rather physical process that instantaneously neutralizes microorganisms as they pass by ultraviolet lamps submerged in the effluent. The process adds nothing to the water but UVC light, and therefore, has no impact on the chemical composition or the dissolved oxygen content of the water.  Currently UVC Light Technology is the only cost-effective disinfection alternative that does not have the potential to create or release carcinogenic by-products into the environment. In addition, UVC is an effective disinfectant for chlorine resistant protozoa like Cryptosporidium and Giardia.  As a plus UVC disinfection units typically cost less to maintain.

Due to its many advantages the adoption of UVC Light for wastewater disinfection has grown significantly over the past few decades. Aging infrastructure in North America, Europe and Australia currently, is aiding the growth of this technology as more and more Municipalities choose UVC disinfection over Chlorine disinfection.  In newly emerging markets such as in Asia, UVC disinfection is the most often chosen method of disinfection in the many plants being constructed or being planned.  UVC in general is a more environmentally friendly “greener” solution.  Today over twenty percent of wastewater treatment plants in North America employ this environmentally-friendly technology.

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