can i tag this as gamtav

spoopyscaryskelesans reblogged your post “actually i meant i would have enjoyed homestuck a lot more if vriska, mindfang and aranea weren’t in it but okay”

I love how this post has the opposite of canon here. I don’t care about Vriska or Gamzee at this point, I just want Tavros to not be in this horrid ship. He deserves better than Gamzee, and Gamzee doesn’t deserve him. Can we acknowledge that’s how GamTav is treated?

I’ve seen this ship, loved this ship, and it’s always saying Tavros reciprocated feelings when he didn’t. And ultimately, Tavros is treated like a trophy that Gamzee can win, like. Tavros is a fictional person. Still a person.

I’m so done.

What do you mean “opposite of canon”. Are you seeing something I am not seeing on this panel? When did GamTav become a horrid ship? Did I sleep through some secret update no one is talking about?

Also, because you’ve chosen my post out of all posts fandom imposes reciprocation on Tavros on as an example of “that’s how GamTav is treated”,  I’m going to talk now, because excuse u.Why are you picking my post out of all posts to spread a personalized misinformation like that. It’s no different than writing “I hate GamTav but I reblog the art because (sth)” in tags. 


Alright, let’s deconstruct what’s happening on it then, just to clear it up (I’ll talk about Tav’s rejection in a moment). This gif is looping (of course), but there’s several actions that can be dissected from it that sort of don’t have starting point - so I’ll start at logical point:

1) First we see Gamzee sitting on the floor, talking to Dave, Tav’s body and his severed head behind him, Lil Cal wearing green tux, sitting by him;

2) Then he flashsteps toward Tav’s head - he touches it/picks it up (more blood on hand, the head shifts) and kisses it (more blood on lips - both Gamzee’s and Tav’s). He immediately sits back down after this.

3) Then he picks up Lil Cal and - while holding him - he goes back to Tav’s head and wipes off the blood from it and himself, making the head shift back to initial position;

4) He puts back down Lil Cal and sits down;

5) He flashsteps to his right, between his sitting place and Tav’s head for no apparent reason - then we go back to 1)

To be frank, I have no fucking idea what’s going on on this panel and I doubt anyone can really tell - because none of the participants of this scene comments on it or provides any other info. But I can speculate on the basis of knowledge. So (all of these have a “maybe” pinpointed on them):

a) Gamzee is trying to revive Tavros - because kissing has been shown as a way to revive a player; why is he kissing a severed head - we don’t know. We also don’t know whether he severed it or if it was already off because of crash landing Tavros had. It might be because his consciousness is telling him this is the right thing to do, but at the same time, he already is losing control over his mind to Lil Cal, so there’s no logic to his actions anymore. We’re too used to mind control being immediate (thanks to Serkets) that we’re immediately discarding the idea of subtle mind control that is happening gradually. Caliborn has shown us that mind control done by Lil Cal is really similiar to being taken over by the swirly lollipop juju

and Jane has shown us that you can actually fight such thing, even if she has given in pretty quickly.

It’s the same thing with Jack Noir and Jack English - they both weren’t taken over by Lil Cal immediately and it either worked subtly

or there was a fight. Or at least a valiant effort to fight it.

We know nothing on how Gamzee reacted when he found Lil Cal. Did he give in willingly? Was he fighting it? Is him abandoning Lil Cal to kiss Tav’s head a way of fighting it for the sake of friend he wanted to revive, only to be subjugated by the puppet to remove the signs of kissing?

2) Gamzee wasn’t kissing Tav’s head just to kiss it, he was collecting his blood. As we know, Gamzee had collected blood from all the dead bodies of his friends and Tav’s one wasn’t any different. Is this why he is actually wiping the blood off himself and the said head? Could it have to do with his last flashstep that sort of goes nowhere? Why does he have to pick up Lil Cal to wipe the blood off? Is Lil Cal giving him instructions? Not to forget that all the blood he was collecting he sold off later as “potions”, so something you can drink to get needed effects. If being mindcontrolled by Lil Cal is the same as being under influence of the horrid lollie, then inside of Gamzee’s head has to look like this:

Holy fucking double rainbows across the sky

In such world, if you drink the blood of your friend, something awesome might happen, like becoming a great kisser

and since it’s a mental parade, just do it, no reason to not to.

Okay, speculations OFF.  I talked far too long about this panel anyway. Instead, let’s get to the point, which is Tav’s rejection of Gamzee’s advances.

This is his reaction. We have seen such speculative, questioning expression on others

Where does it lead to? A freak out, because this is too much, this is too sinnister, too hot, too tempting, too stupid, too messed up, etc. etc. But that’s because both Karkat and MSPA reader were giving into the dirty throughts that sorta came out of their own private needs/kinks/call it however you want. If we’re to conclude it by rational parallelism, Tavros somewhere deep inside actually had some unspoken hots for Gamzee. And most likely, this made him freak out.

Tavros wasn’t ready to be in the romantic action then. It doesn’t mean he would be against it ever. And we’ve already seen that they both treat each other with respect and feel good around other, so if it came to Gamzee, he wouldn’t treat Tavros as a trophy and it wouldn’t be sort of a gross ship Vriska wanted to form with Tavros in meaning “I want that piece of Nitram ass, so I’ll take it, no matter what”. And I say it with absolute, 100% confidence it wouldn’t be bad, because there’s no more obvious stereotypes in this comic that actually fit romantically together.

Also, to anyone suggesting that:

a) a clown (any clown) would hurt a butterfly willingly or out of malice

b) a clown doesn’t “deserve” a butterfly or vice versa

shame on you. 

I felt so guilty about not posting anything for GamTav day!!! Take this,people.
I like to see it as a scrawny Gamzee picking up his bara boyfriend with highblood strenght BUT you can headcanon it as smol Gamz,i won’t care<3