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Templar culture is toxic

Templar culture is harmful in many ways, both to the templars themselves and to those they deal with, primarily mages.

Templars are expected to be emotionless automatons. They aren’t supposed to show fondness or positive emotions toward mages or form friendships with them. Templars and mages do have relationships, but they are elicit and hidden. Suppressing all emotion – with the exception of aggression, anger and violence – isn’t healthy for templars and is downright dangerous for mages.

At the same time, templars don’t receive any mental healthcare. A popular fan-theory is Greenfell Chantry is a rest home for templars, based on the aside about Cullen being sent there in Witch Hunt. However, Cullen himself never discusses any treatment he received. Samson doesn’t receive any help for his greater-than-normal dependence on lyrium and is thrown out of the Order at the first opportunity.

It is possible many templars suffer from mental trauma after facing demons, blood mages and abominations and witnessing failed Harrowings, but the possibility templars may be adversely impacted by this is rarely mentioned. However, Cullen says forgetting such things is believed by many templars to be a positive found in lyrium-induced dementia. 

So it shouldn’t be any surprise that templars’ first reaction is violence. In dealing with any threat, perceived threat or disobedience, templars always seem to escalate the situation. Templars’ tools in addressing transgressions great and small seem to be limited to reactive violence or humiliating punishments. They don’t appear to be able – or trained? – to think through problems to reach an alternative solution.

Templars don’t inhabit circles, they occupy them. Templars are hardly seen out of armor or off-duty. They behave like soldiers in enemy territory, despite the power imbalance that overwhelmingly favors them. This is particularly dangerous for mages, because templars are biased against mages. Mages are not only viewed with suspicion, but templars generally treat them as if they have committed a crime. Even the Circles are proactive imprisonment for crimes yet to be – and most likely will never be – committed.

This is part of templars’ us versus them worldview. The best example of this is the meeting between the grand clerics and the Inquisitor in Val Royeaux. When a templar strikes Mother Hevara, Ser Barris attempts to go to her aid, but is told she isn’t worthy of his attention. Then Envy-as-Lucius gives a speech on templar exceptionality that is well-received by those templars in attendance – with the exception of Ser Barris – and is an insight into the mistrust and derision with which templars view those who are not part of the Order.

Notable exceptions are Evangeline and Greagoir, although Evangeline comes to a more measured response through the course of Asunder. She is fighting a mage in her first in-world appearance, but Asunder is really about her struggling with what she thinks the Order should be and what it actually is – although it takes her falling for a mage and therefore seeing them as people get to that point.

Greagoir is progressive for a templar. He considers magic to be both a gift and a curse. He values the lives of civilian above those of mages, but also of templars. He argues against Annulling the Circle, but will agree to it, if pressed. Greagoir also accepts the practices of Harrowing and Tranquility.

This is because templars are trained to follow orders without question. It is openly acknowledged an obedient templar is preferred over a devout one. Templars are expected to obey orders without question – the crux of Evangeline’s dilemma in Asunder is whether to follow orders or to do what is right. Templars are not expected to think for themselves; they are weapons.

The combination of possible untreated mental trauma, othering of mages and those who aren’t templars and failure to question or engage in critical thought creates an organization both dangerous to those to whom it is supposed to protect and to its members.

deepwoodian  asked:

I really enjoy your style, characters and your in depth writings of them. What I perhaps like most is your way to represent Greagoir. I like his character very much (and whole concept of the templar order). I also appreciate the way you analyze and think about templars. Not outright condemning but not being blind to their flaws either. How you see the relation between Greagoir and Cullen? Was he a star-recruit or a foolish boy with infatuation to a mage? Or both? Bree's thoughts about Ser Otto?

“Eager to uphold the tenets of his new post, Cullen proved enthusiastic and loyal, if more inclined to converse with the mages than the other templars.”

- World of Thedas, Vol. 2, p. 224

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anonymous asked:

Just wanted to say that I really love all your art. You have a great style. I'm especially fond of your drawings of Samson and Greagoir. Samson I adore to little pieces (ever since DA2) and Greagoir... there's just something about that man, and I really like how you draw both of them. It's good to see characters that aren't fan favorites to get some attention.

Just something about that man, eh? A little je ne sais quoi? I think I can help you with that. Have you ever thought about a handsome young Greagoir in the Circle? Like Cullen, becoming friends with the mages? Getting a little too friendly? Particularly with a beautiful spirit healer? Eh? EH? EH?


Honestly, I think Greagoir is my favourite Templar, but there is no sensible reason as to why that is. I absolutely love drawing his face.


He didn’t flinch or back away, maybe he had too deserved that, Anders looked at the older man. “I was too a circle mage…and it wasn’t because of that. But because you remind me of him…”Maybe the toss of the vegetable was an impulse, however the urge to do that was somewhere deep in him and the gaze he laid on the First Enchanter was not a kind one.

DA Toolset Descriptions: Circle of Magi

First Enchanter Irving

  • Irving seems benevolent, kind and generous, and he is all those things, but he is also shrewd and crafty and good at manipulating situations for his advantage.

Knight-Commander Greagoir

  • Greagoir is Knight-Commander of the Templars that monitor the mages in Ferelden. He has dedicated his life wholly to serving the church – his role as a templar is what defines him. He does not see himself as anything other than a templar: the sword arm of the church. He can be self-righteous and is often harsh in his judgment of others. Good and evil are real and concrete concepts to him and he is driven above all by a desire to do what is right. He pursues his goal of doing what’s right doggedly, even in the face of great opposition and criticism. To some (like the mages) this will make him seem unfair and even cruel, but in truth Greagoir is a very moral man who believes that preventing mages from harming others is a worthy task and one worth doing well for the benefit of the mages as well as normal people.
  • Proper, formal, educated. Impersonal and often sounds harsh – he comes across as being a bit of a taskmaster, used to making quick decisions and having them carried out. Everything he says should come across as commanding, but not imperious. His task is one done out of sense of piousness and rightness, not out of self-love or a desire for power.


  • Jowan has been a Circle apprentice for longer than the PC has, but the PC proved a better mage and Jowan feels a little left behind. He has a bit of an inferiority complex, and both admires and resents the PC. He dabbled with blood magic in an attempt to improve his skills. He is in love with Chantry initiate, Lily.
  • Unsure of himself, bitter. He resents and worships the PC at the same time. He’s the uncool kid who wants to be cool. He’s sarcastic when threatened or cornered. His speech is puntuated with odd pauses and nervous, self-mocking laughter.

You know, I just remembered that it was Knight-Commander Greagoir’s idea to send a traumatized templar to fucking Kirkwall, of all places. Fuck, even a Circle in Orlais would’ve been better! But, no, let’s send the “mages aren’t people, they must all be killed” to Kirkwall, the one place where it is the worst for mages and those abuses are tolerated, if not blatantly encouraged. In fact, why not just relieve him of duty for a while instead of sending him to the one place an emotionally vulnerable templar should go. Wtf, Greagoir. WTF


Two characters that live in general proximity and speak maybe twice?


Born of procrastination on the wretched Alistair alphabet (X is a difficult letter). Be warned, it’s looooong.


“Push,” the older mage beside her urges, and though it bloody well hurts and she feels as though if she pushes again she will tear down the middle like an old sheet, she does as she is told.

“Scream, it’s all right,” the mage says, and Wynne grits her teeth and bears down, her hand clamped around the other mage’s like a vise. She won’t scream, she won’t sob and cry and call for her mother like she’s seen so many other women do in childbirth. It was degrading enough to have to walk past the templars and hear their hissed insults. She’ll show them dry eyes.

With one last agonizing pain, the baby comes free and another mage wraps it up in a blanket, patting it dry and cooing soft words. She feels light-headed and dizzy, as though she could float away. It’s a sensation not unlike using up all her mana. “What…”

“Excuse me,” the sister standing next to the door says briskly, and snatches the infant out of the mage’s arms. “Good day.” Coldly, inexorably, she pushes the door open and shuts it quietly behind her.

“No-!” Wynne tries to sit up, reaching out for the sister who has her baby in her arms. “Please…” Oh please, please, I’ll do anything, just bring me back my child.

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