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Hmm, the current list on IMDb’s “Most Popular Movies” chart is interesting. It measures how much interest there is in each movie that week by how many people look at each movie’s page. The comic book movies on the chart are - Infinity War at #6, Logan at #12, Doctor Strange at #19, Thor: Ragnarok at #29, Justice League at #31, GotG Vol 2 at #34, Suicide Squad at #41, Spider-man: Homecoming at #67, Deadpool at #85, BvS at #90, Civil War at #92, and then right at the bottom at #99 is Wonder Woman. Why has ‘Wonder Woman’ dropped so low? It’s almost off the chart completely. It had less interest than BvS this week? For months before ‘Suicide Squad’ was released it was constantly in the top 10, never dropped. I mean it’s definitely nothing to worry about, the movie is still over 3 months away and hasn’t started it’s full promo campaign yet, it’s just interesting. Just means fans have exhausted talking about any footage or promo we’ve had so far and need something new. I hope a new ‘Wonder Woman’ trailer is released with ‘Logan’ to boost interest again! 

While I’m happy we’re getting so many movies from WB and DC, I really wish they would just give us a road map for the DCEU. I’m so tired of the uncertainty of everything. I love the DCEU don’t get me wrong, but I just want to know that there is a plan for what they’re doing. Because so far this is what we have announced:

Wonder Woman- June 2017

Justice League- November 2017

Aquaman- October 2018

The Batman-??

The Flash-??

Justice League 2- 2019?

Shazam-2019?

Cyborg- 2020?

Green Lantern Corps-2020?

Gotham City Sirens-??

Suicide Squad 2-??

Man of Steel 2-??

Deadshot-??

Nightwing-??

Black Adam-??

Justice League Dark/Dark Universe-??

You guys know I’m a die hard DCEU fan, I’ve stuck with it through all of the shit from mos, bvs, suicide squad and all the behind the scenes drama. I know I will love these films. But I hate not knowing when these movies are coming, all I want is a road map of when these will be coming and adjust release dates as need. I love that we’re getting so many movies, I just want be reassured that all of these are happening

I see that Nightwing is going to join the DCEU, but I don’t understand WHY THE HELL would Bruce become the Batman we saw in BVS while there’s Dick to drag him back.
I’m pretty pessimistic and confused to this, but WB, if you’re making a Nightwing movie, make sure you cast Matt Bomer as Nightwing. This is a ask of a lifetime.

riddick13  asked:

Carrying on from Jonathan R Lack's views on toxic masculinity in BvS, I would like to know what your thoughts were on his comments about sexism in Suicide Squad. Mainly Joker/Harley relationship, Harley's sexualization and her rough treatment by Batman. I personally think it's a stretch to claim the sexism 'would make Michael Bay blush in shock', though. I can't think of anything in Suicide Squad as misogynist and harmful as the subplot about statutory rape in TF4.

Sorry it took me so long to get to this!  I’ve been getting a steady stream of asks about Harley and how she was treated in SS and I know I should talk more about it I just find the conversation about racism in SS to be much more interesting and important right now.

What I see in Lack’s reviews are a kind of lax liberalism that reacts to personal discomfort as offense and the lack of personal discomfort with “how could anybody be offended by this.” For example:

Imagine praising a show that promoted itself on its feminism after an episode like that. It shows a total broken barometer for misogyny in the first place, in my opinion. Am I misreading this? Is Lack using SG to point out how shitty and low the bar is for the way we treat female and queer characters? From the rest of his feed, it certainly seems like he felt this episode was praiseworthy, so we disagree about what quality is. Fine, that’s alright.

But he doesn’t get to disagree with me about misogyny, especially when his ability to percieve it is so superficially weak, because just because the misogyny in the latest episode of Supergirl didn’t make HIM uncomfortable doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. If he thinks Michael Bay was blushing during SS he clearly doesn’t understand the virulence of the misogyny in a typical Bay film. How can we begin to trust his measurement in the first place, honestly?

There are three issues here, the Joker/Harley content, the scene she shares with Batman, and sexualization/accusations of objectification; they all deserve much more nuance and attention than Lack is willing to give them in the first place. 

  • As for what I think, I think there is ample evidence to draw the conclusion that Joker/Harley is abusive in this film. I really do, but that doesn’t mean that it was enough. DC/WB showed that it knew their target audience through the way this film was marketed, through the way that merchandise was released, but I wonder if Ayer really understood, because he gave them positively cavernous loopholes through which to slip in order to legitimize this ship as anything aside from what it is; Harley’s very fascinating and tragic origin story. I’m not one of those folks who thinks that a narrative has to explicitly denounce something terrible in order to portray something terrible, but when it comes to domestic abuse, especially the manipulative emotional kind, we have to acknowledge an audience that is not conditioned to see red flags, that is not prepared to identify this particular danger. My biggest concern before the movie came out was that SS would glamorize this abuse, but I think that “toning it down” and sweeping it under the rug was worse than I could have imagined. I think it was a series of bad decisions in which Ayer and WB collaborated, and that WB’s reasons were rather transparent- Jarley sells merchandise.
  • The Batman scene, on the other hand, is the most dissonantly guiltless scene that an audience has fixated on since they missed the point of the “Martha” scene. Maybe that says something about what Ben Affleck is doing, or the audience’s admittedly antagonistic relationship with Ben, but it seems much more likely that it has to do with their relationship with Batman. In this scene, Harley behaves like any other villain, even after she goes down in the car, she inhibits her own rescue in order to take a swipe at Bruce, which is brilliant if you ask me, and him knocking her out is a proportional reaction to the immedeate threat she poses. What we’re complaining about here is Batman literally treating Harleen like she’s an actual threat. SHE IS. She’d love to fuck up his face and his life and quite likely helped kill his son (somehow, the timeline is screwed) and he’s wrestling her out of the water and trying to put air back in her lungs. Compared to a movie in which he spent the majority of his screen time planning to murder Superman, people should be super thrilled. The Bat is learning, how exciting!

As for how the camera treats Harley, and how she is dressed, I think we need to make a distinction between sexualization and objectification, because sexualization is shitty when it happens to every female character on screen for no concievable reason. (Like for example, the sexualization of Enchantress that reviewers never bring up because they don’t know what they’re talking about, AT ALL.) 

Sexualization sucks when it is foisted upon a character needlessly because of their gender and because of the male gaze, but sexualization and objectification are different things, because the latter is ALWAYS bad. 

  • Is Harley sexualized in this movie? You bet your buttons! Harley has been a provocatively-dressed mob girlfriend since she was introduced, and it doesn’t take an extensive knowledge of her content to see that her use of her sexuality is intrinsic to the character. We can argue about whether or not her original jester costume was revealing for hours, but the material she was given was explicitly sexual. There’s nothing wrong with that, in my opinion. I’m glad she’s more than that, but that doesn’t change the fact that that’s part of who she is. While there are a few moments in this film where the camera gets a little male-gazey, specifically the pan up her legs in the asylum and the one shot of her ass, I don’t recall the glut of objectification that reviewers keep accusing this film of simply because they see more of Harley than they were expecting. The implication that it competes somehow with this:

….is insulting to everyone.

wheres the fic where Clark Kent gets caught kissing Batman, and then gets hounded by the media every waking moment because “average civilian is dating Batman!!” and Clarks mourning the loss of his anonymity, meanwhile Bruce thinks its fucking hilarious, enjoy dealing w the press in both of your alter egos now, pretty boy, so Clark waits several months for the whole thing to die down before showing up as Superman to some party Bruce is attending and flying up to Bruce and going “paybacks a bitch” and just full on makes out with him in front of like a million reporters

People who are complaining about Superman’s glasses disguising his identity have obviously never worn glasses. You take them off around your friends, people who see you every single day, and they’re like ,,WHAT THE FUCK, YOU LOOK SO DIFFERENT! IS THAT HOW YOUR EYES LOOK LIKE?! NO WAY! WHO ARE YOU???“