but tyrion's answer in the show is different

anonymous asked:

who do you think sansa is going to end up with, if anyone at all?

I think the show and the books could have different answers. I personally think that in the show, she will either end up alone or marrying someone we don’t even know yet. Her love interests in the show are/were:

  • Joffrey (dead and abusive and the Lannisters completely shunned her anyway)
  • Ramsay (dead and let’s not even)
  • Loras (dead and isn’t into girls)
  • Tyrion (alive, with Dany, and their relationship in the show was actually quite sweet but I think there’s no chance they’ll end up together. If they meet again I think they’d be completely civil and just happy one another are alive.)
  • Petyr (alive and they have a complicated relationship…lmao. I agree with @kingpetyr‘s theory though, which is that more or less Sansa manipulates him by giving him what he wants: sex. And then she kills him. Because he deserves it.)

I’ll get onto others when we get to the books but yeah.

Those I cross off the list…so who’s left? I do think that marrying Jon is an interesting theory, but…there’s a lot of reasons it’s unrealistic. I’m not going to delve into them. I like the ship but I don’t think it’ll ever be canon. Assuming she kills Petyr in S7 (which seems likely)…she’s out of current/past love interests (in show canon, anyway). So I think that for S7 and S8 we will see Sansa taking up some or much of the responsibilities of ruling the North for a while. She may have suitors but I think she has other stuff on her mind lmao.

So in show canon? No. I don’t think we’ll see her get married again. (Maybe eventually, but years down the line, should she survive.) However, if she reunites with Sandor it may be very very loosely open to interpretation. We’ll never get a kiss (in the show) but like a scene or two between them would be nice, though I don’t totally count on it. They didn’t build up a romantic relationship between them at all in the show, they focused on building up Sansa and Petyr from the very beginning. It makes sense for the purposes of the show though.

For the books, however…let’s do another little list (note that I haven’t read all of ASOIAF yet okay don’t crucify me BUT):

  • Joffrey
  • X Tyrell
  • Tyrion
  • Harry
  • Petyr (will suffer a similar fate to show!Petyr)
  • Sandor

Again…I’m not 100% if she will end up with Sandor. From what I’ve gathered, though, he is the most romantic, mutual love she has experienced in book!canon (not to say there weren’t sexual bits or unhealthy bits or whatever but that isn’t the point). She thinks of him rather frequently. She made up a kiss with him that never fucking happened. Sandor thinks of her as well. She dreams of Sandor in her marriage bed. George R.R. Martin is not subtle and he is a sucker for foreshadowing, as am I. Also George adores the concept of beauty and the beast, and Sansa and Sandor fit this to a tee. I think they will eventually reunite and, well…Sansan was hinted at a lot more in the books than in the show, and a large part of that is because their relationship is not talked about, it is only between them and in her head, which is definitely difficult to translate onto the screen. Sandor is, in the book anyway, what one might call her “true love,” though she learned from the others (from infatuation to platonic love to sexual, manipulative love).

All in all, I think she will end up with Sandor, with someone we don’t know yet (perhaps further down the line), or alone. Most of all, I hope she ends up happy.

let’s talk about game of thrones!!!

Searching jonerys on tumblr and I see a comment that Jon only lusts after Daenerys and doesn’t love her, and that we fans only see what we want to see, are watching a different show..

Look, if you’re going to ignore the huge flashing signs telling you that Jon is in love with Daenerys in the way of them staring into each others eyes mid-sex(”love comes in at the eyes”), the voicover specifically placed over Jon knocking at Dany’s door and her answering (”he loved her” “ and she loved him”), or Tyrion stating that Jon loves her, or even just the way Jon looks at her, then..

we are not the ones seeing what we want to, watching a different show etc

alienor-woods  asked:

I'm really NOT a fan of Tyrion. I understand His Point and I appreciate his humor, particularly in the show, but he is not a good dude IMHO and he makes me gag a bit.

Yeah for me he is, possibly more so than other character, completely different in the show than he is in the books… I’m not a huge fan of his either. I agree that he is better on the show than in the books, but yeah I’m still don’t really care about tyrion himself alone as a character. 

Tbh I don’t really like any of the Lannisters. My feelings on them range from general indifference to outright hatred, except for tommen and myrcella ofc!

send me your most hated characters/celebrities and i’ll tell you if i hate them too or not

prince-perry  asked:

It's so refreshing seeing positive posts about Dany, I'm sick of her copping crap for stuff everyone else has done. 🙌🏼🐉

i’m happy to provide dany positivity! i mean, dany isn’t perfect. i think she’s morally grey, but so are all the other characters. trying to villainize her for things that everyone else has done is really starting to get out of control. like you know people have started to lose their minds when they’re out there sympathizing with RANDYLL TARLY of all people. come on. i think a lot of it is the writing’s fault. they’re trying to get across tyrion’s loyalty conflicts between his allegiance to dany and the bond to his family, but they’re doing it at the expense of dany’s perspective, so she comes off as a “mad queen.”. i’m glad davos at least called tyrion out last episode when he said “the last time i was here, you burned my son with wildfire.” but i think the writers used this line as a “HAHA good one, davos!” moment rather than actually shining a light on tyrion’s hypocrisy. it’s just bad writing. in the books, it’s easier to understand characters who are morally grey because we get different POVs, but in the show, we only see D&D’s POV, and they have no idea what that kind of complexity means.

anonymous asked:

What do you think of show!Tyrion and book!Tyrion (because lbr they're two completely different characters at this point)?

Hi there!

Sorry for the ridiculously late response… I had not forgotten or deleted, I suppose I needed some time to think about the answer, because Tyrion is not usually that persona I spend much time thinking/talking about. He’s not one of my favorites, book or show.

I’d say he’s one of my least favorites in the books. Yes, I said that. Why?

Poor Tyrion, a dwarf, very very ugly, nobody likes him, nobody appreciates the brilliant political mind he himself thinks he has, his sister and daddy hate him, his hooker girlfriend doesn’t love him, his child wife doesn’t love him and doesn’t want to have sex with him even though he’s super kind to her… in fact, nobody really loves poor Tyrion but his older brother whom he idolizes then completely humiliates with every word he can find… at least he has his wits, right? He’s funny and smart.

Except not as smart as he thinks he is, because he still ends up played by Littlefinger and Onella, convicted for murder after a trial by combat he himself stupidly asks for, then at the other side of the world, banging on the door of a girl with three dragons who’s his last hope, claiming he wants to rape his very own sister.

Don’t get me wrong. I love the complexity of Tyrion, he has some amazing quotes, I love the advice he gives Jon in their first meeting, but god, the man feels sorry for himself!
Sure, he has seen/lived through some shit, the things Tywin and Cersei do/say to him… not cool. It’s just that, Tyrion decides every misfortune that comes his way to ‘people hate me because I’m ugly’ and that’s… Not true. And annoying.

In all fairness, Tywin being disgusted by Tyrion’s drinking and whoring seems… not so strange to me? I think whoring is disgusting too. Not because I think whores are disgusting but because I think men who pay women to give them the joys of you know what are disgusting (same goes for other way around). I have no respect for men who buy women. It’s not just his dwarfism, it’s his behavior that insults, annoys and embarrasses Tywin and… I can see that? Tyrion is a sad excuse for a man at the beginning of A Game of Thrones, and he is right back where he started in Dance, worse off cause he lost Jaime and the Lannister gold support.

Trust Shae? Bring Shae to court? Dumbest thing ever. His treatment of Sansa? Not cool. Things he says to Jaime when Jaime releases him? Ouch, unnecessary. Brilliant mind? Not always.

Sansa is my girl, you all know that. Their wedding night disgusts me. Him feeling sexually attracted to Sansa makes me wanna gag.
Tyrion’s treatment of Sansa in the show… is basically why I can stand him a little better in there. He is honestly very kind of her, doesn’t mock her, looks out for her, doesn’t crawl naked on top of her…

It must be said, however, that the price for all his goodness is boringness and a lack of character depth. Crap! season six was his boring season. Was it thanks to Daenerys? Does this woman turn even Tyrion into boringness? Perhaps. Or perhaps the whitewashing has finally turned him into irrelevance. I was excited when I realized we’d get a Tyrion/Dany meeting, very excited. I was left disappointed. Peter Dinklage spend about eight episodes sipping wine, making very stupid jokes that didn’t even make greydull and misanduller laugh. *eyeroll*.

The show has gotten rid of most of his negative traits, I accepted that, but it also made him so much less fascinating. It made him very easy to like, much much easier to like than book Tyrion. I read somewhere that the show eliminated any kind of repercussions his murder of Tywin and Shae had on his character… I agree. Like I said, I’m cool with that, I’ve accepted it, I don’t care so much about him anyway.. what I cannot accept is two seasons of clumsy dialogue. What even is his purpose now? Serving Dany? Is he really going to be yet another guy who falls head over heels with Stormbrat? Will be be the voice whispering in her ear telling her to hold onto her humanity? The one who keeps her from sinking away in (unavoidable) insanity?

Tyrion confronting the Dornish lady (whose name I’ve kinda forgotten) about Myrcella’s murder and letting it go when Dany tells him ‘that’s enough!’ … What the fuck? R u srs? Book Tyrion, and show Tyrion both loved Myrcella. She was a good kid, gentle soul, absolutely innocent, did not deserve to die. He was RIGHTLY pissed about it. Dany tells him to cut it and… he does?

Never mind, I’ve changed my mind just writing that down. I dislike book Tyrion because, despite the shit he goes through, he still sounds like the privileged guy feeling sorry for himself. God you have no idea how many guys like that I meet on a daily basis… I can’t stand them. But fuck, I’d rather have that Tyrion, independent, wonderfully cynic and interesting than Tyrion-another-tool-in-Dany’s-toolbox-Lannister with his nose still attached.

anonymous asked:

In a recent post you noted about the show that "... Daenerys, Renly, Robb, Stannis, and Tyrion have been changed so profoundly that they are almost unrecognizable," from their characters in the book. I can see that with Renly and Stannis, but I think the other three, while different, have been changed more by emphasizing certain aspects of their characters than others, mostly to make them look more positive. Could you expand on what you think makes them "unrecognizable?"

Robb Stark’s plot is butchered in insensible ways. The military component of Robb’s campaign is off-scene for a trite love story. But RacefortheIronThrone already covered that in his article here, and turtle-paced already covered the problems with Taelisa Maegyr here, follow on by NFriel here. I urge you to check both of those articles out, and follow their tumblrs, they do fine work. The bottom line as I see it: Robb was changed from a flawed character with strengths and weaknesses into a dopey, lovesick puppy. The wrangling question of what to do when there’s no good answer isn’t presented, it’s just Robb breaking his word with the Freys for a pointless and selfish reason.

Tyrion does a lot of shady stuff over the course of the novels that simply isn’t present in the show. He arranges to break guest right with his Riverrun envoys (hints of his father here), he has Bronn murder Symon Silvertongue to cover up his affair with Shae. With the omission of the Tysha reveal that destroys him, the Tyrion we see in ADWD is a fundamentally different beast than the Tyrion we see in season five. BookTyrion is a destroyed man, and the account of what happens in his chapters are raw and gouging. As a semi-related aside, read poorquentyn’s account of Tyrion’s arc. It’s not done yet, but it’s splendid. Part 1 and Part 2 for your perusal.

As for Daenerys, sure she’s whitewashed as you say (Jon Snow is, if anything, even worse with his pointed non-involvement in Stannis’s campaign and the absence of the Pink Letter). We don’t see her lash out, angrily ordering torture of the wineseller’s children for the death of Rylona Rhee in ADWD, Daenerys II, as an example, but the big character arc for Daenerys is that she has a real, palpable struggle between the desire for peace and desire for war. She agonizes over what type of ruler she wants to be and forces to ask tough questions in everything from the Meereenese pages and cupbearers (Can I kill the innocent children to discourage enemies who are probably involved in the Sons insurgency?) to the former fighters wanting to reopen the fighting pits (Can I deny these people their free will or should I remove this bloody relic altogether?). Will she assimilate, as she did with the Dothraki, and risk her emancipation campaign dying by inches? Or will she stamp out the slaving practices that have so pervaded the heirs of Ghis that it perverts even their symbols (the Harpy used to carry lightning, but each city instead transformed it into a tool of slavery, the Unsullied aren’t the free lockstep legions of yore, and so on) and risk both good people dying in her war and harming innocent people herself, as we see with the wineseller? That’s her struggle, and it’s important because any monarch is going to have to grow incredibly comfortable with the fact that their decisions cost lives, which is they say: ‘heavy is the crown.’ bookDaenerys is feeling that and realizes that it sucks, which is what Martin means when he says: “Ruling is hard” in his Rolling Stone interview. It’s one of his core beefs with traditional fantasy and denying it changes the character drastically.

EDIT: One thing I forgot to add about Jon was not just the Pink Letter, but his: “C’mon everyone, let’s go attack the Boltons!” speech.

Thanks for the question, Anon.

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