breaking-westeros

Dany season 1-6: Being groomed to be the QUEEN, the last dragon & the Targaryen who will take Westeros & break the wheel.

Jon season 1 : I literally just want to be a badass ice zombie killer, that’s why I asked to join the Night’s Watch right after my dad executed a guy who said zombies were real.

Season 5: He’s the Lord Commander! We chose him even though he didn’t want it.

Season 6 : My watch is over! I’m not the lord commander, Ed’s in charge now. No one sends soldiers to fight ice zombies to this dump anyway.

Season 6 finale: He’s the King in the North!

Season 7 : Guys seriously, I only became King so that I can get you all focused on ice zombies. I’m making Sansa lady of WF & I’ve pledged myself to Queen Daenerys. Me, I’m going beyond the wall to catch a zombie.

Season 7 finale : He’s heir to the Iron Throne

Season 8 : Guys like seriously? Again? Honey, I’m taking Rhaegal beyond the wall. Don’t look at me like I’m crazy, I know we killed all the zombies. I just really miss them sometimes & I’m feeling extra emo today.

anonymous asked:

Do you like Book Dany better than Show Dany?

Yes I do. Okay, so the show has really idealized Dany and House Targaryen in general. Making Dany into the “pure hero” and the stupid notion that Westeros had 300 years of peace under Targ. rulership. Lol Maegor the Cruel anyone? Does anyone remember Maegor? 

Dany in the books is more morally gray, as is House Targ in general. The words are quite literally “Fire and Blood”, they didn’t gain them through being nice. Aegon the Conquer quite literally melted the Six Kingdoms (they never got Dorne) together. While I enjoy reading about Aegon’s conquest it’s quite a fucked up thing that he did. During the Field of Fire, he and his sisters unleashed 3 dragons at the same time. Which we just saw on the show what one dragon does to an army, can you imagine what three could do? What we know is it was one of the most horrific events in Westeros’ history. This seems to have been the reason the Northern King bowed to Aegon. Quite literally the Targs.ruled through fear. 

Robert’s Rebellion’s main cause wasn’t Rhaegar and Lyanna it was the fact that the high lords realized without the ability to annihilate them on a whim the Targs were basically inbred nobodies who didn’t deserve the position they were given. 

Dany in the books, in my opinion, is Aegon the Conquer reborn, she’s meant to be seen as a conquer. What we know about Aegon is he could be loyal to his allies and extremely menacing toward’s his enemies. I think this fits Book Dany well. Her time in Slavers Bay taught her that being some great peaceful ruler isn’t what she’s meant to me. The last chapter of Dany’s is among my favorite chapters of ASOIAF, it’s so beautifully written and it’s finally Dany embracing her destiny. I love the line about how Dragons don’t plant trees, it’s really her embracing the “Fire and Blood” part of her heritage. 

This isn’t GRRM idealizing her, Dany isn’t going to Westeros to “break the wheel” or to bring peace, she’s going because she believes Westeros is hers. It’s about reclaiming what she believes is rightfully hers. There is no other reason for why Dany want’s Westeros other than she believes it’s hers by right. This is a hugely important thing which the show cuts out. 

Dany’s moral grayness is among the reason I love this series. On the one hand you have followed Dany for the past 5 books, you’ve seen her go through so much shit and you know that inherently Dany isn’t a bad person, at the same time Dany is also more or less saying she’s going to use a weapon of mass destruction to reclaim a country that ousted her and her family. 

I think we’re supposed to feel conflict with Dany’s position in ASOIAF, I think the problem in the show is they just frame Dany as “good” and frame her actions as “epic”. 

theasexualscorpio  asked:

Hello! I'm working on a canon-divergent AU fic, and I was wondering...what are acceptable reasons to break a betrothal in Westeros?

Ummm… mostly we just know unacceptable reasons, really. I mean, it depends what you mean by “acceptable”. Just because one party decides to break the betrothal contract doesn’t necessarily mean the other party’s going to be especially pleased by it. And there’s certainly going to be some social criticism, one way or the other. Also, in our-world medieval times, where these could be the reasons to invalidate a betrothal:

  • revelation of an existing betrothal or marriage
  • evidence of infidelity
  • evidence of infertility
  • failure to meet the financial or property stipulations of the betrothal contract

the party whose actions invalidated the betrothal generally had to pay some kind of financial penalty. There could even be a suit for breach of promise.

But I can at least give you some reasons for broken betrothals we’ve seen in ASOIAF:

  • Joffrey Baratheon and Sansa Stark: the treason of Eddard Stark. (“Your Grace, the gods hold betrothal solemn, but your father, King Robert of blessed memory, made this pact before the Starks of Winterfell had revealed their falseness. Their crimes against the realm have freed you from any promise you might have made. So far as the Faith is concerned, there is no valid marriage contract ’twixt you and Sansa Stark.”) Mutual agreement on both sides. (Although Sansa had to make sure she didn’t look like she was pleased by it.) Note that Ned had wanted to break the betrothal based on the revelation of Joffrey’s incestuous parentage, so that would also be a reason to consider a marriage contract invalid.
  • Robb Stark and Roslin Frey: broken by him, because he married Jeyne Westerling instead. Caused the Freys to desert him, and also eventually the Red Wedding, so y’know… not exactly acceptable there.
  • Arya Stark and Elmar Frey: broken by the Freys, after Robb married Jeyne; pretty much mutual (Robb was in no position to complain, and Arya never even knew she was betrothed to begin with).
  • Brienne of Tarth and Ronnet Connington: broken by Ronnet, on meeting her, because he thought she was ugly. No mention of any financial penalties, but certainly the parents were displeased (and Brienne was utterly crushed).
  • Brienne of Tarth and Humphrey Wagstaff: because she beat him in single combat. Mutual, as he had told her he would expect her to not wear armor, and obey his wishes or be chastised, and she said she’d only allow herself to be chastised by a man who could outfight her. No mention of any financial penalties.
  • Maegor Targaryen and Rhaena Targaryen: not sure how definite the betrothal actually was (whether it was just proposed or what), but it was broken by the High Septon on the grounds of incest.
  • Duncan Targaryen and the daughter of Lord Lyonel Baratheon: broken by him, because he married Jenny of Oldstones. Which started a mini-war because of the insult to the Baratheons.
  • Jaehaerys Targaryen and Celia Tully: broken by him, because he eloped with his sister Shaera. Caused major offense to the Tullys, though it didn’t go as far as war.
  • Shaera Targaryen and Luthor Tyrell: broken by her, because she eloped with her brother Jaehaerys. Ditto re the Tyrells.
  • Daeron Targaryen and Olenna Redwyne: broken by him, because he preferred the company of his boyfriend. It’s not said how offended the Redwynes were, but Olenna likes to say she was the one who put an end to the betrothal.

(Also, several betrothals broken by the death of one of the parties before the wedding: Alys Karstark and Daryn Hornwood, Brienne of Tarth and the younger son of Bryen Caron, Robert Baratheon and Lyanna Stark, Catelyn Tully and Brandon Stark, Arianne Martell and Viserys Targaryen, Viserra Targaryen and Lord Manderly, Laena Velaryon and the son of a former Sealord of Braavos, Lucerys Velaryon and Rhaena Targaryen, Jacaerys Velaryon and Baela Targaryen, Tywald Lannister and Ellyn Reyne.)

Oh, and note that according to one rumor, Rhaenyra Targaryen tried to seduce Criston Cole because she hoped if her betrothed Laenor Velaryon found out she was not chaste, he would break their betrothal. (She didn’t want to marry him, as he was gay.) Though whether she was a virgin at her marriage or not, she and Laenor were married anyway.

Anyhow, hope that helps!

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Was reading the wars of roses, and some other interviews of GRRM.

What could be bittersweet?

First I Remember varys - the power remains where the people believe it remains.

Dany, if get preggo, and with the WW war, she kinda will change her goals, change her priorities, and all the iron throne thing. Maybe she will destroy that concept of the iron throne power, break the wheel (Idk how).

Like, if she marrys jon snow (to join the north and south to end war between lands) they would move to the north.

Like Dany is obsessed to the iron throne and westeros. She will realise doesn’t matter where she is, as far where she is, she’s able to protect the realm. Her true aim is to bring peace, justice, and equally. She no longer really wants the iron throne, she wants to protect the realm.

Then I have the aemeon saying: love is the ending of duty.

Jon doesn’t care about the iron throne, and after beric talk, he considers himself the “the shield that protects the realm”.

My guessing is, when all the WW war is over, his duty ends and choose love. Marry Dany for love.

It will be a win win situation: a marriage for alliance and for love, without tragedy for 1st time.

And then the night watch wall represents the shield that protects the realm, Dany as a good faith would make winterfell the capital, and the kings would reside precisely where the walls is to protect the realm.

Idk, it kinda looks bittersweet. And Dany and Jon marrying would be like the wars of roses, the 2 houses that married to stop the war between them (something like that).

I mean, all the hype of GoT was whose gonna be the last on that chair? Dany wants to break the wheel. Westeros no longer the place were it resides the power. Would be bittersweet.

Because the Iron Throne is the very reason of so much wars, killings, obssesions, injustice. It needed to be destroyed.

anonymous asked:

Hi, I know this message is kinda late (really late) but what you thought about the scenes between Arya and Tywin Lannister at Harrenhal?

Well, on a non-book reader basis, I objectively liked them. They were interesting to watch, and Charles Dance and Maisie Williams played off each other very well I thought. The dialogue, usage of dramatic irony, and the actors’ chemistry was entertaining.

As a book reader, I more or less loathed them. Somehow, with just the few scenes between Arya and Tywin, the show managed to more or less ruin their book characterizations.

I want to specify quickly though that from a production of television perspective, this was a great, creative choice that makes perfect sense. Charles Dance would have been underused and absent- which would have been a shame considering his acting charisma, contract, and how well he’s received by audience members. Also, Arya’s time in Harrenhal was largely spent interacting with unimportant political characters (with the exception of Roose, who came to Harrenhal later in her stay anyway.)

So all that being said, it ruined the characters and was the first clue I had on what the show really values.

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brilliant-but-scary-bad-wolf asked:

How do you think Arya’s story will end?

I’m sure Arya’s story will end as happily as possible, with family, in Winterfell. donewithwoodenteeth has a nice post about how marriage might factor into Arya’s future, and I definitely think that’s a possibility. In The Sworn Sword, Lady Rohanne Webber (short, thin, small breasted, skilled with her weapon) fell in love with Dunk (poor boy from Flea Bottom) and she wanted to marry him if she had been free to follow her heart; I can see some Arya parallels there. The ice zombie invasion is going to cause a lot of the old social order in Westeros to break down, and perhaps people wouldn’t care so much about a noblewoman marrying a commoner like Gendry, assuming Gendry survives. Or Arya could meet someone new in her future, idk.

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yippekayakotherbuckets  asked:

Hello, I was just reading twoiaf, the part about the Valyrians conquering the Rhoyne, and I'm curious about the water magic that's mentioned. How much do we know about? Do they still do it in Dorne? Can it cause greyscale? Thanks

Hey! We don’t know much about water magic, as the mystical power of the Rhoynar was only first alluded to in ADWD, and what details there are in TWOIAF are not that detailed. (And written by a skeptic maester, so deliberately not much help there.) But here’s what we do know:

  • While the magic of the Valyrians was based in fire and blood, the magic of the Rhoynar was based in water.
  • “It was said the Mother Rhoyne herself whispered to her children of every threat, that the Rhoynar princes wielded strange, uncanny powers, […] and that their cities were protected by “watery walls” that would rise to drown any foe.”
  • During the wars between the Rhoynar and the Valyrian cities that had been founded on the Rhoyne, the Rhoynish water wizards called upon the power of the Rhoyne and flooded the city of Volon Therys, washing away half the city.
  • In the last war between the Rhoynar and Valyrians, Prince Garin the Great’s water wizards fought the Valyrian dragons with gigantic waterspouts.
  • After Garin’s army was slaughtered by the Valyrians, Garin was captured and locked in a cage to witness the enslavement of his people. That night, Garin called upon the power of Mother Rhoyne to curse the Valyrian conquerors… and the Rhoyne flooded hugely, out of season, and a thick fog fell upon Chroyane, and the Valyrians began to die of greyscale… presumably grey plague, by its speed.
  • To this day, Chroyane, now known as the Sorrows, is a place of evil fogs and mysterious events. A leper colony of “stone men”, those suffering from the last stages of greyscale, haunts the ruins of the city. It’s not known if it’s the fog or the river that carries Garin’s curse of greyscale, or neither, or both, but contact with the stone men is extremely not recommended.
  • When Princess Nymeria of the Rhoynar and her ten thousand ships of refugees finally made it to Westeros and settled in Dorne, it is said that the Rhoynish water witches “knew secret spells that made dry streams flow again and deserts bloom.”
  • If the Dornish still know water magic, it’s not mentioned at all in the main books – and considering that the deserts of Dorne are still huge and overwhelming, I think it’s probable that the last practitioners died out long ago. If anyone still knows anything, it’s probably the Orphans of the Greenblood, who live on the river like their ancestors once did, but probably more in the sense of cultural traditions rather than powerful “magic”.
  • The Children of the Forest also had a form of water magic – when their greenseers gathered and called upon the Old Gods to bring down the Hammer of the Waters to break the landbridge from Essos into the Stepstones, and later attempted to break north and south Westeros apart but were only able to flood the Neck. It is highly unlikely that the few remaining Children could ever summon such power again… but who knows what the last greenseer and his heir could do, if they truly needed to.
  • Also note that there are various water gods of Westeros – both the ancient First Men gods like those of storm and sea (worshipped by Storm’s End and in the Sisters islands) and the Drowned God and Storm God of the Iron Islands. It may be that their power was a form of water magic… and perhaps it was an example of such magic that allowed Patchface to survive being drowned for three days, and come back a prophet.
  • And then there’s the Deep Ones, semi-human eldritch creatures of the sea who may have worked with the oily black stone found in strange places of the world… who may have destroyed the ancient Lorathi mazemakers… and, well, if these eldritch fish creatures didn’t use water magic, I’d be very surprised. There are legends of horns that can summon krakens and stranger things from the waters too…

So, water magic is a strange and mysterious thing, possibly extinct… or possibly it could still affect the course of ASOIAF.  We’ll just have to see. And for more about greyscale, please check this tag.

sansanfanfan  asked:

Hi! Do you think its significant that of the main faiths we see acting in Westeros, only the Faith of the Seven has no supernaturally gifted spokesperson (no equivalent to Melisandre or Bran)? I know Martin has equated the Faith with the Catholic Church, so I read it as a criticism of Church dominated Christianity... Would love to hear your opinions as I find your posts so insightful and well thought out! SSFF xxxx

That’s an interesting question, because as of this moment we have no proof that the Seven Gods are “real”.

Although to be clear, we don’t have proof that R’hllor is “real” either, only that some people can perform magic and attribute its source to their faith in R’hllor. And as for the Old Gods, their “realness” is also somewhat complex: The dead greenseers and greendreamers that have formed the godhead called the Old Gods most definitely exist — but if they have any true power besides omniscience, if they actually can affect people’s lives besides through dreams, if the magics that the Children of the Forest used to break apart the Westeros-Essos landbridge into the Stepstones or the flood that created the Neck were actually real and powered by the gods and not just a story built up around a natural cataclysm… well, we just don’t know. Similarly, with the Drowned God — does Aeron hear his voice or just the inside of his own head? Does the god truly bring drowned men back to life or is it just CPR?

And, actually, those questions may not be something we ever get an answer to, GRRM has said he will not have the gods “on stage”, and that he prefers to create religions, not gods. So whether any of the gods are real or not is something we will most likely have to decide for ourselves.

But re the Faith of the Seven — that in particular feels less “real” than the other religions, due to (as you say), no living spokesperson who has shown any “godly” power as such. And though we have the stories of Hugor of the Hill, who saw the first vision of the Seven in the hills of Andalos, who was given a wife by the Maid and was taught smithing by the Smith… the actual records of the time period show that the Rhoynar taught smithing to the Andals. So even the original spokesperson for the Faith (if he even existed) has doubtful credibility.

Though besides any actual men of power, there are also those of faith — those who say the gods speak to them. Yet those also have somewhat doubtful credibility, considering they include such men as Baelor the Blessed and Lancel Lannister, who most likely starved themselves into hallucinations. So again, has the Faith ever had any truly supernaturally gifted spokesperson, or will it ever? It’s probably unlikely.

(For more on the matter of the realness of the Faith vs the other religions of Westeros, please see these posts: 1, 23.)

Re your question of whether this lacuna is GRRM criticizing Catholic Christianity… well, he’s never said he’s doing so. Personally I think it’s just his usual fantasy trope-busting, as he does with (for example) the concept of knights, showing them them for the brutal and dishonorable men they often were — so here he’s busting the fantasy paladin or cleric or miracle-performing monk. But in this the Faith of the Seven is not an exception — Melisandre and Aeron also show the dangers of a blind-faith religion. And note that even though there are hypocritical pompous septons and dangerous true believers like the High Sparrow… there are also truly good men like Septon Meribald or the Elder Brother of the Quiet Isle, men who act for good whether they may be supernaturally powered or not.

So, real or not real, supernaturally gifted spokesperson or not, I don’t think it matters in the end. It’s not what you’ve got, it’s what you do with it.