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I’ve seen some comparisons between the Dora Milaje and Black Widows that gloss over a really key point.

The Dora Milaje are not abused.

Debate who’s more skilled or who’s better for a specific task, absolutely. (At this point, both comics and film canon is pretty overwhelmingly on the side of the Dora Milaje in every match-up we’ve seen, but there are certainly areas where people could have a good-spirited discussion, or imagine an amazing team-up.)

But I think that it’s really important to be explicit about this in any comparison: the Dora Milaje choose their role. They get to decide how to best use their own skills. In current comics canon and all MCU canon, everyone in the Red Room had their choices were taken away from them and their stories are either of taking that back, being corrupted by what was done to them, or death.

The Dora Milaje are champions of Wakanda. They are warriors; some are also spies. But they all have agency, and they have personalities. They were not depersonalized or stripped of their rights to make choices.

Arguably, the fact that being a member of the Dora Milaje is an honor, and that they choose to be there, is part of what makes them the best. And that says so many positive things, about both Wakanda as a country and about the Dora Milaje in particular and, more broadly, about the importance of women having agency over their own lives.

It disrespects the Dora Milaje to compare their training to the Red Room.

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anonymous asked:

I'm confused about Natasha's backstory. In some versions, it says she's the only one to reach the rank of "Black Widow." In some, they say she's the BEST in the black widow program, hence not the only one. Do we know which one is canon, or does it just depend on the comic run? I saw a post about Bucky moping about Natasha losing her memories of him, and he makes it sound like she was the only one ever.

Originally in the 60′s, Nat was the only agent identified by the codename Black Widow. It was only when Yelena came onto the scene in 1999 that the idea of more that one Black Widow came into continuity. Richard Morgan expanded on this even more in like 2005, when the Red Room retcon was introduced and Nat found out there were like 27 other Black Widows including her:

Since then, it’s mostly told that although Nat wasn’t the only Black Widow who was deployed and used by the Soviets, she was the BEST of them. Some stories imply that only the top of the Red Room class gets to claim the title of Black Widow, but it honestly depends on the story.

In the MCU it gets a little more interesting, as multiple offhand remarks point to the idea that only ONE operative gets to claim the title/graduate at a time, as all the other girls do not survive the training. We see Dottie forced to kill other girls on Agent Carter, and there’s also the caption on this tweet:

Then we have the cut scene from the Civil War novelization in which Nat tells Steve how the Red Room dropped her and the other girls in Siberia with only enough supplies for one of them to survive. So in the MCU it seems like the Red Room girls are pitted against each other until only one is left, and that girl is able to claim the title of Black Widow.

Marvel’s BLACK WIDOW Solo Film Will Reportedly Be a Prequel That Involves The Winter Solider ( Geektyrant: by Joey Paur April 23,2018)


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Marvel has been working on developing a Black Widow solo movie for a few months, but today we actually have some inside information on what the story might entail. According to a recent report from That Hashtag Show, the movie will be a prequel and it will involve The Winter Solider. So, if you were hoping for a Black Widow and Hawkeye team-up flick, it doesn’t look like that’s going to be the direction they take it. The report says:


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“The film will find Natasha living in the United States 15 years after the fall of the Soviet Union! That timeline places the film firmly in the mid-2000s, meaning we’ll meet up with Nat prior to the events of Iron Man 2. That time frame opens up plenty of options, and while many fans seem to want a Black Widow/Hawkeye team up in Budapest, we’ve been told that early discussions about the film involved Sebastian Stan’s Winter Soldier.”


There’s a good amount of history behind Black Widow and Winter Soldier in the comics that this movie could play with. I actually like that their history is something that they may be looking to explore, and actor Sebastian Stan already said that he would be up for appearing in the film. When talking about the characters, Stan said:

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“They have a very nice history in my opinion. It’s very intricate…the truth is he actually taught her in the comic books. He was a teacher to her. It’s all set during a specific, interesting time. The Cold War. It’s all a very… spy, thrillerish, noirish story…it would be very interesting to explore that on film. I would love if the do that. You know, I hope. Maybe they will.”


A prequel film involving these two characters could really turn out to be pretty badass. Black Widow is currently being written by Jac Schaeffer, and Thor: Ragnarok’s Brad Winderbaum is on board as an executive producer.

Never forget that one of the most consistent things in Bucky and Natasha’s relationship is Bucky’s value of Natasha’s agency.

It may be an unpopular ship and unlikely to happen in the MCU, but Bucky and Natasha are literally one of the most romantic couples in Marvel comics.