A Severus Snape who truly was as the Snape Haters
™ portray him.
-Feels entitled to Lily, so curses her into wanting to spend time with only him.
-Obsessed with Lily, so he force feeds Amortentia to her.
-Truly doesn’t care about what happens to Harry and James, so never tells Dumbledore. All three Potters are murdered.
-Does not save Harry as his broom tries to kill him. Harry dies.
-Does not care about the Philosopher’s Stone, and Voldemort gets the stone easily.
-Gives Umbridge actual Veritaserum, Harry spills everything.
-Doesn’t care about Dumbledore’s cursed hand and lets Draco kill him because who cares about souls?
-Does not tell Sirius about where Harry is going and the students are killed by DEs, and Voldemort gets the prophecy.
-Gives Ginny and her friends to the Carrows as punishment for breaking into his office. They are tortured to death.
-Does not send the Sword to Harry, thereby ensuring the Horcruxes still remain.
-Flees when Voldemort is obviously going to kill him, doesn’t tell Harry the important information he needs to know. Voldemort wins.
-Tortures Harry for looking into his penseive.
-Doesn’t keep Dumbledore’s portrait on the wall nor listens to it.
-Actually aims to kill the OotP members during Battle of the 7 Potters.
-Leads the DEs into Grimmauld Place because he too is now a Secret Keeper.
-Lets Phineaus says ‘Mudblood’ because he doesn’t care. Will even say it himself.
-Never agrees to give Harry lessons in Occlumency and Harry goes insane and Voldemort takes advantage immediately.
-Would have tortured Harry for using a curse he knew nothing about on Draco.
-Would have been a worse Headmaster than Umbridge had been, if he didn’t care about the students.
-Wouldn’t have provided Lupin with his potion if he didn’t care about the students, ensuring a rabid werewolf would be on the grounds and with idiots like Harry roaming at night, someone would die or be changed quickly.
-Would have told Voldemort about the Horcruxes and Dumbledore’s plan if he truly didn’t care.
-Would have personally killed James and co. while being a DE, if he was so bitter, and then kidnapped Lily is he was obsessed.
-Does not do guard duty for Harry and just gives his location to Voldemort.
but there’s a huge plothole in the explanation that lily’s blood in voldemort kept harry alive in the forrest. if it did, then why was voldemort able to die when the AK rebounded in the Great Hall? and why didn’t harry die when voldemort did, having lost what kept him alive in the first place? it’s been ten years i still don’t fully understand this. there is the 'master of death' explanation but idk about that.
It is confusing
and complicated, but I don’t think it’s a plot hole. The ‘master of death’
theory doesn’t hold with me either. Let me lay out my understanding. I’ll try
to be thorough without overwhelming you. I’m not interspersing with a ton of HP quotes, but if you need clarification or a source, let me know.
Let me start at the beginning, because fully understanding the nature of the sacrificial protection is
important to understanding what follows. A sacrifice like this can only be
triggered under very specific circumstances: A killer, a victim, and someone
standing in the way. Most important, a moment of reckoning when someone could walk
away, stand aside, save themselves, but chooses not to. That choice, based on
love, is what triggers this protection.
That’s what we have in Lily
Potter. James was doomed from the start, Voldemort was going to kill him no
matter what he said or did. Voldemort saw him, laughed, sneered, and cast the
curse. But he argues with Lily to stand with him just as she argues with him, pleads with him, not to do this to her son. It
comes down to this moment:
“This is my last warning.”
“Not Harry! Please…have mercy…
Not Harry! Please – I’ll do anything…”
Anything, except stand aside
and let Voldemort kill her baby, so Voldemort kills her for it. She could have stood aside, and he would have killed Harry, and that would have been that.
choice, based on love, to stand there and sacrifice herself for Harry, to die for
him, which triggers the sacrificial protection. CS Lewis, who influenced JK’s
writing so greatly, called this sort of sacrificial magic Deeper Magic from before the
beginning of time. It’s very old, and very rare, very deep. Even Dumbledore knew he didn’t
fully understand it.
Lily died for Harry, and her
sacrifice protects him from Voldemort, and that’s the only circumstance under
which this protection might be activated. But it stays with Harry and offers
him some measure of protection from Voldemort, forever.
This, in combination with
Dumbledore’s charm, is what keeps Harry safe while he is at his aunt’s house,
the house where his mother’s blood resides. And when Harry is eleven and Voldemort,
possessing Quirrell, tries to touch him, he can’t.
Voldemort obsesses over
this, tries to find a work around. After Wormtail finds him and slowly nurses
him back to health, he lies in wait for a year in order to use ‘the boy’s’
blood. Why? To beat the protection. As he’s planning on killing Harry that
night, it is a fine short-term objective. And for Voldemort’s rudimentary
understanding, he’s right: he can touch
Was it enough to keep Voldemort from torturing Harry? No. Was it enough to keep Voldemort from possessing Harry? Again, no. Was Voldemort able to kill Harry? No. (There are other factors at work here, too, Priori Incantatem, the twin cores.) Harry survives, and Voldemort
spends the next year obsessing over
What does Dumbledore say in King’s Cross? That
If Voldemort had known, if he
had understood what it meant, he wouldn’t have taken Lily’s blood, and her sacrifice,
into himself. By taking Lily’s blood into
himself, traces of her sacrifice were still around, to activate when
In the forest, when Voldemort
utters the AK curse at Harry, several things happen in quick succession, but it’s
all very important to understand:
The Elder Wand refuses to
kill Harry. (from JK’s old website)
As a result, the curse chooses to kill the Horcrux.
Harry and Voldemort are now
Except, Voldemort is once again trying
to kill Harry, triggering once again that sacrificial protection, which is
running through Voldemort’s veins.
It’s a complicated, multi-faceted set of circumstances that lands Harry in King’s Cross, the in between place. Although Voldemort is the container for that sacrifice, the literal bag of bones and flesh that’s carrying it, the sacrifice isn’t for him. It’s Voldemort mere fact of being alive which tethers Harry to life. It keeps Harry’s heart beating long enough to make the choice to move on or come back. I think the power of that spell, of the sacrifice, is actually what renders Voldemort unconscious, but that’s pure speculation.
Dumbledore and Harry have their nice little chat at King’s Cross, and Harry makes the choice to come back because, as Dumbledore says, there’s a good chance of finishing it once and for all.
There is such a poetic
beauty in this arc, because the series begins and ends with same choice, the same sacrificial protection. Lily made the choice to stand there, let Voldemort kill her, rather than stand aside and watch him be killed. Harry marched into that forest with the hope that he’ll prevent any more deaths. And as remnants of that love stayed on harry, Harry’s sacrifice means Voldemort’s curses won’t stick; the curses rebound.
The snake is killed.
So, we have Harry and Voldemort facing off. Harry pleads for Voldemort to be merciful upon himself, explains about the Elder Wand, and then they shout their spells. As before, several layers of magic are at work in this moment:
No Horcruxes, including Harry, are available to Voldemort to tether him to life.
The Elder Wand once again refuses to kill its master.
Voldemort has refused remorse, and perhaps save himself.
When only Voldemort’s life is threatened, Lily’s sacrificial protection isn’t triggered as he was never
its intended recipient in the first place.
It’s a bit like that moment of the step-mother’s reckoning in Ever After: a hall full of people, the charges are laid. The Queen asks who will speak for her, and everyone is backing the eff away.
No one is there to save Voldemort because he’s set himself up for it.
Harry never killed Voldemort, either, which I’ve seen mentioned in posts. The magic is working against him, because he didn’t take the time to understand it. With nothing to speak for him, to save him, to intervene, his own curse rebounds and kills him. His body hits the floor with a mundane finality.
Rules: List ten of your favorite characters, from any medium such as literature, movies, television, etc. Then tag ten people.
(I have like one hundred faves but I’ll list only ten)
1- Steve Rogers (Marvel)
2- Armin Arlet (Shingeki no Kyojin)
3- Finn (Star Wars)
4- Elizabeth Bennet (Pride and Prejudice)
5- Rick Grimes (The Walking Dead)
6- Peggy Carter (Marvel)
7- Mitsuko Souma (Battle Royale)
8- Luna Lovegood (Harry Potter)
9- Yuri Plisetsky (Yuri on Ice)
10- Misato Katsuragi (Evangelion)
Piertotum Locomotor is the incantation of a transfiguration charm used to bring life to those artefacts that had, previously, been inanimate and unmoving. The target’s movements can be controlled by the caster of the spell. Latin “pie”, meaning “dutifully” or “affectionately” Latin “totum”, which means “everything”, “the whole” or “they all” Latin “loco”, meaning “position” or “place” Latin “moto”, meaning “moves” or “moving” The whole incantation could, therefore, translate to “The whole position dutifully moves,” or any other combination of the translations. A less rigid translation: ‘I move thee forth, all dutiful [soldiers]’.
Today is the day… that the trio broke into Gringotts….. Today is the day… that trio stole a dragon and the last ‘fetch’ Horcrux Today is the day… that they went into the heavily armoured (????) Hogsmead with only their wits, wand and invisibility cloak. Today is the day… that Aberforth Dumbledore saved them form the double death inducers (death munchers and dementors). Today is the day… they found out another snippet of the truth about Albus Dumbledore and Arianna Dumbledore. Today is the day… that they snuck into Hogwarts as opposed to out. Today is the day… that they were welcomed back as heroes. Today is the day… that they were shown the blind trust others have for them. Today is the day that Harry used an unforgivable and meant it. Today is the day… that Professor McGonnagall was both shown and showed how much she cared for the students and they cared back. Today is the day… that Ginny got jealous. Today is the day… that McGonnagall attacked Snape. Today is the day… that Snape only defended and did not attack. Today is the day… that McGonnagall wrongly perceived Snape as a coward. Today is the day… Hogwarts is woken up for the first time in Harrys occupation of the school. Today is the day… students where given the go ahead to fight if they were old enough and wanted too. Today is the day… when the secret passage ways out of the school where no longer secret and used for more than mischief making. Today is the day… the professors show their skills in more than one subject. Today is the day… Percy the Prat swallowed his Malfoy Manor sized ego and apologised. Today is the day… Hogwarts statues stood to attention before their school. Today is the day… battle plans where decided upon. Today is the day… Voldemorts voice rang through the hall for the first time in 6 years. Today is the day… Hogwarts united as one from within. Today is the day… that Harry forgot his mission in favour of watching those who defend him. Today is the day… Hogwarts prepares to fight in the most unusual but effective way. Today is the day… Hogwarts used its assets. Today is the day… The wooden bridge exploded and we saw the use of a moat with no water. Today is the day… Hogwarts first saw battle. Today is the day… Harry showed his intelligence. Today is the day… the grey lady is revealed. Today is the day… Romione finally becomes an item. Today is the day… Draco side is completely revealed. Today is the day… Harry’s Quidditch prowess comes into light. Today is the day… Crabbe dies via his own curse. Today is the day… The diadem was destroyed.
Tomorrow is the day it all ends….
because the Battle of Hogwarts started before midnight.
“Can you do a George imagine where him and the reader are engaged and he lost his ear in the battle of 7 potters and he’s super self conscious about it and thinks that the reader won’t love him anymore?”
I walked in our shared room with George, and I found him looking at his reflection in the mirror. He had this weird face, like he wasn’t satisfied with what he sees, plus he looked sad.
“George?” I asked, touching his arm gently, and he jumped. “Woah, are you okay?”
“Y-yeah, of course.” He mumbled, sratching the back of his neck nervously.
“I don’t believe you. Something is bothering you and I know it. You can tell me, I won’t judge” I said, hugging him from behind and resting my head on his back.
“If I tell you, would you be a 100% honest with me?” He asked, turning around to face me.
“Of course George” I said nodding with my head.
“Do you find me attractive?” He asked.
“You are the most handsome guy I ever met, why are you asking such question?” I asked.
“Even if I have only one ear?”
“George Weasley. You are beautiful with or without that ear. I fell in love with you before the accident in the Battle of Hogwarts, and I am still so in love with you like before. God what am I saying? Each day that passes by makes me love you even more. You know, I love you because you are an amazing person who can make me laugh when I don’t want to, and you are truly one of the best people I ever met. Sure, you are really attractive, that’s a bonus. I love you George, with or without that ear”
“I am so glad I am engaged to you, I love you y/n” he said with watery eyes, while kissing me gently on the lips.
“Never forget that okay? You-” I kissed his forehead. “Are-” I kissed his nose. “Beautiful” I kissed his lips.
“Thanks y/n. I don’t know what I would do without you” he whispered, kissing me again.
“I know, I’m awesome. Hey want to know a little secret?” I asked. “Almost no one notices the ears, if it makes you feel better” I said chuckling, making him giggle.
Day 18 A part of the books/movies that makes you cry.
First, the Battle of the Seven Potters - We lose Hedwig, Mad Eye and my dear George’s ear.
Second, Dobby’s death. I HATED Dobby in Chamber of Secrets but he totally was redeemed in the final movie and then next thing I knew, he had a knife in his little elf gut and I felt as though I did too…
Third, the poor dragon trapped in Gringott’s that’s trained to fear pain.
Fourth, The battle of Hogwarts of course. Fred, Tonks, Remus, Lavender (maybe?), Colin and even Bellatrix… giving up their lives to fight for the good of their world, (even if they weren’t on the right side… cos Bellatrix, crazy as she was, was fighting on behalf of the man she truly loved… so…. ) <3
I'm confused about what a hero/protag is meant to do. Are they the same for books or is there a difference? I see stuff about heroes/protags besting more experienced people, defeating villains, etc. but in my novel my main protags become a part of the world they find and they help in a big defeat, but they are in no way leaders of it. They don't have a large part in the climax/defeat, it's just from their pov, just participate. Is that bad? Are they supposed to 'defeat' everything themselves?
Settle In Everybody, Time For Hero Theory
There is a difference between a hero and a protagonist (just as there is between a villain and an antagonist), but it has nothing to do with the type of media. A hero is someone who does heroic, noble, or good acts, while a protagonist is the leading or central character of the story. In other words, a story’s protagonist does not have to be a hero, and a hero does not have to be a protagonist.
The difference seems to be largely semantic nowadays. People refer to the “hero/ine” of the story when they refer to the main character, regardless of the character’s… well, character. This isn’t wrong, strictly speaking, but for purposes of this post (and your question), have the distinction in mind.
It sounds to me like your characters are at least protagonists in a world with other heroes, if not heroic protagonists in their own right. Read on for more—I have a point, I promise.
[Some spoiler tags: Game of Thrones (book 1 death), Last of Us (play it, it’s worth it!), Harry Potter (book 7 final battle), the Hobbit (book, ending spoilers). Read on with caution.]
Protagonism vs. Heroism
Being the protagonist of the story just means that you are the character the story is about. This does not automatically make you a heroic character—what makes you a hero is your actions. The protagonist is something that is nearly universal in stories everywhere—it’s very hard to find a work without a protagonist. (Similar terms and story roles to protagonist are the deuteragonist and tritagonist, but getting into those would merit another post.)
Heroism can mean saving kittens from trees, slaying dragons, being morally superior to the villains, and generally being a stand-up kind of person. Heroism involves morality and goodness, which may or may not be what the story is about.
Protagonism as Progress
Protagonists move the story forward, whether this be by narration, action, or something else. The story is about them, and so whatever happens in the story has to do with them somehow. This may or may not include doing things like taking down the big villains. Not every protagonist has an antagonist or a villain to defeat in show-stopping spectacle of strength or guile.
Whether or not the characters have big, showy successes over the villains, if the story is about them, they are the protagonist. One can argue that the characters should have some amount of success/fail in their character arc, but whether this manifests as full-on war with the Big Bad or a personal development is up to the story itself. The successes or failures of the characters do not have to be over villains for them to be protagonists, or even heroes.
Heroism as Protagonism
Protagonism and heroism can absolutely coincide. If a story is about a morally good character slaying an evil three-headed dragon, said character is both the protagonist and the hero of the story.
However, if the above story were to be told about or from the point of view of the (doomed) evil dragon, the dragonslayer is the antagonist, even if they remain a heroic character. The dragonslayer would still be a hero for their good actions, but would be the antagonist of the story. The story’s protagonist would then be the dragon, since the dragon is now the central character.
Surely you have at least heard of the term antihero. As the name implies, the antihero is the anti hero—their traits and qualities oppose those of traditionally heroic characters. An antihero might be deceptive, apathetic, completely amoral, anything that would place them squarely outside of conventional “hero” territory.
There are those characters that fall in the middle of the scale, as well. Some characters are not heroic, but are not antiheroic either—and that’s fine.
Then you get villain protagonists, which would be like our dragon above. The dragon is the villain of the story—burning villages, eating people, being evil—but when the story centers around the dragon rather than the dragonslayer, the dragon is the protagonist.
The Role of the Protagonist
It sounds like your main protagonists may not be instrumental in the takedown of the big bad. This does not strip them of their protagonist titles! The story is still about them, regardless of their role in the final battle.
The point of the protagonist is to give your story a voice. The story is told about (and sometimes through) them—so the story you tell is largely dictated by their actions, whatever they are. If the protagonist sees the battle, that’s fine. If the protagonist participates in the battle, that’s also fine. If the protagonist is instrumental to the battle, that’s just as fine. What makes a character the protagonist isn’t their ability to take down antagonists/villains and overcome obstacles. What makes a character the protagonist is being the central character of the story. That is really all it takes. Stories are written and told about all kinds of characters—some of which are heroes.
The Role of the Hero
Just as protagonists are vast and complex, so are heroes. If your characters are heroic, it might involve the military defeat of a villain, or it might involve the rescuing of another of character, or something like standing up to a bully. Heroes come in a lot of flavors, one of which is the battle-tested action-hero type.
The point of a heroic character is usually to serve as a counterpoint to a more villainous character. Remember—a hero without a villain is useless, and a villain without a hero is successful.
Some works do not have a heroic character at all, and they work just as well without them. A Song of Ice and Fire (Game of Thrones) factions are never completely good or evil, and most of its characters are equally morally ambiguous. Ned Stark, arguably one of the most “heroic” characters in the series, didn’t even make it through one book.
Works that show all characters as morally dubious can even go out of their way to subvert the idea of a heroic character. The Last of Us gives us Joel, a morally grey character who is completely fine with the murdering of other people; Ellie, a character who becomes desensitized to death and murder over the course of the story; and Marlene, a character who has the greater good of humanity at her back, but a morally dubious method of achieving it on her shoulders. Whether or not Joel’s final act of saving Ellie is considered morally correct is extremely debatable, depending on the player’s thoughts and feelings.
Success and Defeat
Regardless of whether a character is a hero, a protagonist, or any other kind of character, they never need to defeat everything themselves. There are stories where characters tackle every task themselves, and there are stories where characters enlist the help of every other available character in order to take something on. Neither of these tactics are wrong. The thing to consider when working with your protagonist is whether or not it fits with their character arc to play an active role or a passive one in the current undertaking.
Sometimes, characters need help from other characters. If your character needs to bring on a few extra pairs of hands to get something done, that’s fine. Consider the role of Neville Longbottom in the final Battle of Hogwarts: Neville beheaded Nagini the snake after Harry told him that the snake needed to die in order to defeat Voldemort. Without Neville—a non-protagonist hero—the battle could have turned out very differently.
Sometimes, characters outright fail to complete or succeed at a task. A failure to accomplish something doesn’t necessarily mean the end of the line, though: consider the role of the notorious Barrel-Rider of Hobbit fame. Bilbo Baggins was not supposed to wake Smaug the dragon in his search for the Arkenstone, but did so—and made things worse in talking to him to such an extent that Smaug went out and destroyed Laketown. This failing does not ruin or invalidate Bilbo as the protagonist or as a character. The story moves forward, and we even see Bilbo communicating the dragon’s weakness and thereby helping to take Smaug down.
Going even further with the Hobbit example, Mr. Baggins literally sleeps through most of the Battle of Five Armies, and cannot participate at all! A protagonist does not have to be a part of The Final Battle to be an important part of the story.
Some Final Thoughts
Heroes and protagonists are both important. However, remember that they do not always coincide: heroes don’t have to be protagonists, and protagonists don’t have to be heroes. Characters who do not participate in big battles or defeat opponents far above their skill level are no less protagonists or heroes—there are a lot of things that go into characters besides that.