what a challenge…!!! Thanks to @james-team-rocket for the request for a drawing of the bath tub scene from the fanfiction “The dark side of innocence” by Anna Sartin (if she’s somewhere on tumblr I’d like to let her know her fic is really amazing!)
The scene: Jessie and James are completely exhausted after James has to undergo a withdrawal from a dangerous drug that Giovanni gave to him. He’s so weak that Jessie needs to give him a hand with taking a bath and help him wash his hair.
The fic goes to pretty dark places of the human soul and I was really emotionally exhausted after reading it…!! I do recommend it to anyone who hasn’t read it yet.
it’s already been heavily rumored that each taylor swift track will be related to each of the taylor personas at the end. There are 15 taylors and 15 songs. The 5th taylor (receipts girl) is LWYMMD, the 5th track. AND NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER SONG, THE FIRST TRACK.
The first Taylor Swift in the line up is the Robber Taylor from the bank scene
the lyrics for Ready for It are
“Me, I was a robber First time that he saw me Stealing hearts and running off and never saying sorry But if I’m a thief then He can join the heist and We’ll move into an island and, and, and…”
We all originally thought this scene was about how she is ‘money hungry’ and took her music off streaming, but it seems she’s really referring to “stealing hearts”
AND there was a ring box in this scene
And we were already suspicious she was confirming the rumor that Calvin Harris proposed (and taylor said no) since the locket he gave her made it into the bath tub scene
*Note the locket spells out ‘no’ in the LYMMD music video*
BUT ALSO there is the lyric “We’ll move into an island and, and, and…" and “island breeze and lights down low, no one has to know”
Taylor Swift and Calvin Harris’ trip to a private island is arguably their most famous picture together and the one most people use when referring to their relationship
And the final line before the beat drops Taylor says “I know I’m gonna be with you, so I take my time”
IS SHE CONFIRMING CALVIN HARRIS PROPOSED AND SHE SAID NO????? IS THIS WHAT WE’VE BEEN WAITING FOR??? WHAT HAPPENED???
UPDATE: FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS
DID HE PROPOSE ON THE ISLAND??? AND THEN THEY AGREED TO KEEP IT A SECRET??? ARE THE CATS A JOKE ABOUT HER BEING A CAT LADY CAUSE SHE SAID NO???
That’s a difficult one. I am going to write a long note for it. Most of the fandom doesn’t ship mareven because they think that Maven is a monster and their relationship is “toxic” and at times “abusive” They hate Maven. I think Maven is misunderstood. He spent most of his life suffering from mental torture thanks to that wretched Queen. He was constantly over shadowed by his brother. The King never seemed to consider him as his son. He had a disturbed life.
He loved Mare during her early days in the castle. He loved her a lot. She was the first person he loved after Thomas’ death. His wretched mother poisoned his brain. She brainwashed him. She turned her own son into someone people would despise. Maven is smart with words but you’re forgetting that he isn’t that great of a fighter. He could not fight back. So he let his mother control him.
Maven loved Mare desperately. His mother fed him with stories about how two faced Mare is and how she loves Cal. He still loved Mare. This was his stance against his mother. He even offered to marry Mare, to make her the Red Queen even though his mother hated Mare. Mare obviously hated Maven for betraying her even though Maven didn’t want to do it. Mare turned to Cal after the betrayal.
Then in King’s cage, it is obvious that he was in conflict. He had a war going on inside him. His mother was dead. He was forever relieved from the mental torture. He could make his own choices. He had Mare in his castle, the girl he loved so desperately. But Mare hated Maven and loved Cal, something his mother told him. You can’t get rid of brainwashing in an instant. It takes time. He spent the entire KC fighting against the poison in his brain.
I used to get thrills while reading KC. I wanted some intimacy between them. I have a thing for mysterious, dark male characters and I know that Maven is not bad.
Maven kissed Mare in KC and told her that he wouldn’t let anyone hurt her. Later during that bath tub scene after his engagement, he told her that when she was throwing things around her room, it felt nice to think that it was because she wanted him. Some part of Mare loved Maven too but she mostly hated him because of the betrayal that wasn’t even his fault. She too, misunderstood Maven. Remove that misunderstanding and you’ll get the happiest couple on the planet. Maven doesn’t deserve all that hatred.
I don’t hate MareCal shippers. I like Cal but I find him a bit whiny. He always had everything given to him on a silver platter. Snatch away his promised power, you’ll get the sulkiest person on the planet. I like Cal but I want Mareven to be the endgame even though I know this isn’t going to happen.
Fairy Tail’s Going Downhill (or: guys, I really hate the Alvarez arc)
Hey guys. We’re taking a break from my stream of anti-gruvia
to get me back into the swing of things with what may actually be an even more
controversial topic. I’d ask you all to strap in but I might be the one in
A handful of people both on tumblr and off tumblr have been
asking me to take a knife to the Alvarez arc and share my thoughts on the
matter. I haven’t been able to keep up with Fairy Tail on a weekly basis for
personal reasons but managed to sit down and get completely up to date in one
sitting, and I find myself utterly baffled. Heads up; the more I wrote the more
I found that annoyed me. Take this with a whole handful of salt.
Sorry in advance if I’m a total debbie downer, and if you don’t want to read me
putting a fair amount of effort into explaining why I think this arc sucks I recommend you don’t hit the
1) Tamsin is fae. This means that Bo can release every sexual urge upon her she wants and never has to worry about killing her. With Lauren she had to abstain and be careful. The consequences of this have been shown when it lead to her to bleed internally and not being able to fully heal. With Tamsin, she can let loose and feed as much as she needs.
2) Tamsin is fae. This one is a shakier argument, but Tamsin is fae and fae have incredibly long life spans. We don’t know how long this incarnation of Tamsin will last, but theoretically she could still live a VERY long time and potentially much longer than Lauren whereas with Lauren would die far before Bo.
3) Tamsin would be comfortable with a polyamorous relationship. As a succubus Bo has to sleep with other people. We see Lauren TOLERATE Bo having sex with other people, but it was an awkward and short-lived phase that she was never really comfortable with. Tamsin seems like she’d be genuinely comfortable with Bo sleeping with other people based on her personality and willingly sharing that guy in her bed in the most recent episode, 5x05.
4) Tamsin was the only one to believe Bo when Kenzi was kidnapped by the Kitsun and let her out of the cell in the Dahl and also let Bo feed off of her. She could’ve let Bo starve or die with the Kitsun, but she didn’t. She could’ve said, “You need to feed? Too bad so sad.” And didn’t. It would’ve made her life so much easier.
5) Tamsin clearly loves Bo. She risked her life multiple times for Bo. She was shot in the stomach during 3x13. She could’ve just warned Bo and helped for the best, but she physically jumped out and stopped the bullet. She is also well aware that betraying the man who hired her, Bo’s father, is practically a death sentence. Yet, she still betrays him.
6. During the Bathtub Scene:
Bo: I’m alright, but I’m not perfect.
Tamsin: Yes you are. To me you are.
I can’t speak for Bo’s other love interests, but they’ve always had their qualms with her. Lauren has often noted that Bo wasn’t there enough and was that Bo’s life was too centric around Bo, the reason they broke up in season 3. There’s also a major differentiate between their intelligence and Lauren has noted and insulted that before. Tamsin doesn’t care how smart Bo is or if maybe stuff is about Bo a lot because all she cares about is Bo’s heart and to her, Bo is perfect.
7. Because beyond a romantic love, they also have a platonic love. They weren’t just built on simple attraction because they’re also just friends. When baby Tamsin was discovering her wings at Massimo’s she says, “That’s what love feels like.” Granted they had kissed a few times before this, but they were never truly romantic any time previous. They started out making them love each other, flaws and all, before even adding romance or sex.
8. Speaking of, Tamsin has been in love with Bo for some now. To be honest, I can’t say exactly when. If I had to choose a point where it was very clear, I’d say the bath tub scene. In 4x08, Groundhog Fae, Tamsin kissed Bo as soon as she saw her because she thought she wouldn’t remember. And when they kissed again Bo says, “Nada,” referring to the predicament around them. Tamsin responds, “Speak for yourself” but in response to the kiss and clear emotions she felt from it. She clearly loved Bo in a romantic sense for some time, and yet she never tried to pursue her. Tamsin’s love is a selfless love for Bo. She never tried to stop Bo from loving others and she never tried to be better than her other love interests because all that mattered was Bo’s happiness.
9. All of season 5 episode 4, thanks. To clarify: the entire episode Tamsin is sort of madly in love with Bo and kisses her to heal her which shows a) a regard for Bo’s health and b) she wants to kiss Bo. When it isn’t working at first she says in a desperate voice, “No it is. Just feed more,” because she wants to kiss her. As well as the fact that after Lauren and Bo share a moment, Tamsin clearly goes in and steals the moment, kissing Bo using it as an excuse for her to heal, and clearly marks her territory for Lauren to see.
10. In episode 5x05 Tamsin is doing everything to help Bo and she is the only one that gives her a proper birthday gift - one that Bo enjoyed (not just the sex, but also a sweet cupcake). She also states something along the lines of them having a ‘special connection.’ After her birthday gift (I am referring to the sex) she can tell that something is wrong with Bo, the only one the entire episode who can, and she knows exactly what to say.
11. Looking at a couple clips, Dyson and Bo seemed to have a sort of rabid, dirty sex life whereas Lauren and Bo had a more tame and sweet sex life. With Tamsin, I think she’s the perfect mixture of in between. In 5x05 Tamsin’s vulnerable face as she stood before Bo, wearing only a bow, showed the adorable Tamsin that could have tame and sweet sex. But at the same time in 4x08 Bo and Tamsin have heavy and intense insinuated sex that looks more rabid and dirty like Bo’s sex with Dyson.
12. Tamsin lets her make her own decisions. When Lauren and Dyson found the black smoke jar in 4x08 they kept it from Bo, deciding what they should do with it instead of giving it to her and letting her choose (I did not come up with this one, someone else did but I don’t remember who).
13. Tamsin, although harsh and abrasive sometimes, is also able to have heart-to-hearts with Bo and admit her feelings and be honest seen in like 50 different scenes. They literally just had a whole 'open conversation’ thing going in 5x04, although it was more comedic it showed they were comfortable with each other and talking. The biggest problem with Bo’s relationship with Dyson in season 1 was that they never communicated and they never talked. They were only really established as an in-love relationship like two episodes before the finale where he lost his love.
hi! Love your blog! Could you pls explain how the bath tub scene in bvs was not objectifying Lois at all? I know some people who keep saying that it is but I know it isn't. Its just that your use of words would be more coherent and clear :)
Hi! Sorry for my belated response - I’ve been very busy with work. I think most DCEU blogs have already covered this more than adequately but I’ll accept your invitation to put my thoughts into words (and thank you very much for thinking my use of language coherent and clear).
Because Wikipedia is my source (and a scourge to my credibility as an academic), I will link you to this and this. We will focus our discussion on the properties identified by Rae Helen Langton and sexual objectification in general, because the charge that people have levelled at the bathtub scene stems more from feminist critique of the sexual objectification of women in the media.
…or what I like to call the “Why was Lois naked for the bath tub scene?” I will assume the critique stems not from the rather interestingly impractical position that one takes baths in the state of being clothed, but rather whether the very show of skin in that scene was objectifying.
The conclusion of objectification is not supported with reference to the intention of the director. A quick comparison of the treatment of Bruce’s training scene and Lois in the bathtub should give a very clear idea of how Snyder does objectification when he wants to. (Or watch Sucker Punch and compare the composition of the shots. Snyder is routinely called out for being unsubtle - though I think it’s just that he likes iconography - as a filmmaker, and so I think it’s safe to say we will know if he intended to objectify any of his actors in a scene.) These extra-textual cues (I know Bruce’s training montage is in the film but it is external to the Clois scene) should tell the reasonable and informed viewer that the bath tub scene is not meant to objectify Lois in any way. To leap on the show of skin as definite evidence of objectification is to invite the speculation that the viewer himself (or herself) is uncomfortable with bare skin qua bare skin, and so anyone who reached that conclusion should really question him or herself about why he or she reached that conclusion, and also reflect on how fun they are when presented with the Nude in art history lessons.
The director is dead
But for the sake of argument, let’s say that even though Snyder may not have intended to objectify Lois, the way he carried out that scene was still objectifying her because the shots would be interpreted as voyeuristic by the reasonable viewer. To sustain this position, the scene must have reduced Lois to her body parts - and because of the rating we’ll focus our discussion on her limbs, since you can’t show anymore for a PG rating. For it to be sexual objectification the point of the scene has to be to show her primarily as an object of erotic desire - with no reference to her personality or dignity.
I use this video as my reference when I talk about specific parts of the bathtub scene. Lois first comes on at 0:03, and the only movement there is her holding the bullet in her hand. Her body language is closed, and while Amy Adams is obviously a goddess among women we note that she is not emphasising just how long her limbs are. At no point before Clark enters at 0:09 does she take a bath the way shampoo ads think women take baths - instead we see her clearly reflecting on what happened in Nairobi, and the emotional toll it has taken on her - her expression is clearly a lot more troubled than what it was when she was clearing her mail in public. The way Amy has been directed in there is focused entirely on her allowing herself to be vulnerable in a moment of privacy, and in that moment she is thinking. We don’t even fail the sexual objectification charge at this point, we fail objectification in general.
Lois comes back onto the screen at 0:24 where she smiles at Clark from the bathtub. It’s a much wider angle here but note again Amy’s body language. She’s not languorously stretching out - it’s not even the Female Nude, guys - and the closed fist and the bent leg suggests that she’s a little more relaxed around Clark but still caught up in her inner world where she’s reflecting on the impact of her being in Nairobi, and she invites Clark to take part in that serious discussion with her first line in that scene. See how the woman is leading the charge for the discussion of accountability, a key theme of the work? Her body language remains closed around 0:50 when she clutches of the side of the bath tub. Amy Adams’s serious expression is the focal point of the scene - you’re called upon as a viewer to look her in the eye and listen to what she has to say, which is not - repeat, not objectifying in any way. At the one minute mark the composition of the scene changes, and again the main focus is on Amy’s facial expression - Clark is just the comforting hand on her neck and an intimate whisper of “Don’t know if what’s possible?”. What does it mean that the woman’s emotional response to what happened is the focus and the man her comforter, especially when said man is none other than Clark Kent, Superman? What does it mean that his question about her inner thought process is the focus of that part of the scene?
Note that Zack Snyder allows Amy Adams a second to react when Henry first presents her the tulip from about 1:29-1:34. We’ve established that the focal point is her face, so now she’s allowed to emote via the spread of a smile across her face when the titular lead character expresses his love for her. That means it’s not just about Clark, the hero, declaring his love to a passively accepting woman (the trophy, the princess in the castle) that he just rescued. It’s also very much about Lois choosing to accept that love, which she does, and that gives Clark his next cue. Consent 101? Yes. Objectification? On what planet?
At 1:37 Clark steps into the bath and we see more of Lois’s body. Where is the focus of the shot? Definitely not on how sexy Amy Adams is - look at the photographs she did for GQ as a counterpoint as to how she is shot when her sexuality is meant to be the object of the scene. All the way put to 1:54 Snyder never once lingers on her legs or the curve of her arm/neck, which are fair game under the rating requirements. His focus is always her face, and Amy displays a range of emotion throughout the scene, but never once does she give a sexy come-hither sort of look to Henry. It is implied they make love after the camera pans away, of course, but that is within the context of their clearly close relationship, and meant to reassure her of the depth of his feelings and the rightness of their relationship. Again, to belabour the point, the focus is on her agency and her personality, never her body parts or her sexual attractiveness.
In case you weren’t already convinced that Snyder is a feminist, this whole sequence of events ends with Clark cooking eggs in the kitchen (presumably post-coital), like he said he would in that conversation. Very subtle, Zack - but you know how much I approve :>
The bath tub scene was still gratuitous
But Lois didn’t need to be naked in the film at all, they say. There was no need for a bath tub scene; they could just have had the conversation anywhere else in the apartment. Firstly, this is why I can’t have nice things as a Clois shipper, but more seriously, let’s consider whether the bath tub scene itself had a function beyond what it was - a conversation about accountability between a couple, which, by the way, are the relationship that is meant to take central importance in the whole franchise.
The scene addressed the Woman of Kleenex sort of argument that has been floating about the fandom for a long time, as a challenge to the viability of the relationship between Clark and Lois. Snyder’s response is to say, Clois are in a committed relationship that includes sexual relations, moving on, fandom.
I think there is a symbolic function to showing Lois in water. Remember the allusions to Excalibur peppered throughout the film? Lois is the Lady of the Lake where Clark’s Arthur is concerned, so it makes sense to reinforce that by showing her near water. Water is also typically shown as a source of power - see continuity with Man of Steel’s use of water bodies - and you’re meant to juxtapose the scene with the desert sequences in the film, both of which involved lots of gunfighting and chaos. The water sequences here? Apart from Aquaman’s cameo, which for some was life-giving, they were all followed by our heroes being empowered to do what they must. With this in mind let’s go to the writer’s room. Now that we need to have Lois associated with water and address their relationship, since she just came out of a dessert, we have three options:
(1) Have a illogical oasis scene where Clark and her declare their love for each other right after the battle in Nairobi, I’m sure everyone will appreciate the callback to their awkward kiss in Man of Steel and the scene where Senator Finch is having hearings that follows will not be jarring and weird!
(2) Have Lois go swimming, not because she has a long history of swimming in the comic books or indeed, anywhere in the existing canon, but just because we need this to happen. And then uh, the love scene can be inserted elsewhere. Or they can get it on in a pool or near a pool, since they obviously own a pool. Oh wait, maybe they can use Bruce’s pool. Or have them use a beach! Except not in public, because Secret Identity. Also clearly no beaches in Metropolis or Gotham. So maybe river.
So that leaves us with (3) let Lois take a bath after she gets home from a long haul flight like a normal person would (particularly if she had to deal with sand during her trip, which, as Anakin Skywalker has already very astutely pointed out, is rough and coarse and irritating and must have gotten everywhere), and then proceed as happened in the film + allow Amy Adams to be her adorkable self and come out of that scene with a adorkable story about how she kissed Henry’s stomach as an acting choice because she stopped thinking when she was blinded by the brilliance of his physical perfection, allowing fans world wide to laugh with glee.
Perhaps my imagination is limited, being only able to come up with 3 scenarios, but I know what is the most logical choice within the world of the story, and it is what happened in the film. I think we’ve established here that people who are worried about objectification need to focus very hard on the way Snyder casually pans down Ben’s abs or whether Henry needed to be shirtless for the egg-frying, not the bath tub scene - no reasonable and/or informed viewer can reach that conclusion unless they were grasping for straws. Hate straws, I tell you, hate straws.