machiavellianfictionist  asked:

Complex hilt longswords?

Since I’ve been a bit off-topic lately, sure! These are several hundred years earlier than my interests and knowledge, but I do know of some nice examples to be seen online. Here is an excellent thread on

Examples of later bastard sword hilts

Also check out this awesome image from the myArmoury Facebook page!

Bit of a clumsy layout but big boys like the SDD3000 and Vorpal Sword will force that

Polytune -> Whammy Ricochet -> Count To 5 -> Vorpal Sword -> VP Jr -> SDD3000 -> Afterneath -> DM2 -> 720 Looper -> Cathedral

Submitted by johnmattr 

Bastard Sword brother! Awesome to still see the legacy of the Bastard Sword on some boards. I think there were 4 of them made after mine? Can’t remember, but there weren’t many. Always rad. 
This is a really solid board too. Never had a lot of time with the SDD3000 but it came off as a better version of VOX’s Delay Lab when I played one last. Good digs. :D


“So it’s true. The bastards took your sword hand.” 
I have a new one, made of gold. There’s much to be said for being one-handed. I drink less wine for fear of spilling and am seldom inclined to scratch my arse at court

asoiaf/got meme  → 6/10 (main) characters: jaime lannister

brat0029  asked:

What's the real difference between a long sword and a bastard sword? From the picture, it looks like they're roughly the same with a slightly different hilt. I can see a two handed sword and a rapier being pretty different (and why they'd be different fighting styles) but a long sword and bastard sword look pretty similar to me.

Well, first we should settle something relating to terminology as to exactly what is a long sword. Thanks in large part to things like Dungeons and Dragons, the longsword is often thought of as a single-handed, double-edged cruciform-hilt blade, a little shy of a meter in length, with around 70-80 cm of that being the blade.

This is actually an arming sword, meant to be swung with one hand. The actual long sword was a two-handed weapon, with the blade being about 1 meter in length while the whole weapon itself is about 1.25 meters.

And another aspect about terminology, medieval classification of swords was not formalized, and the rigorous classification of swords did not happen until later periods, so a sword in medieval times could be called different things by different people, or just called “sword,” in whatever language the speaker spoke.

But you’ve already got that down, it seems, so kudos to you. Proper terminology is the best.

So the bastard sword, from what it appears to me, looks to be used with the second hand on the pommel as opposed to still on the grip like on a longsword. That tapering bit before the pommel doesn’t afford a good grip, so the bastard sword naturally channels the second hand to the pommel. Different schools and styles use the second hand on the pommel for certain strikes. Or, if you don’t have as much upper body strength, using a bastard sword might be better because it is a little lighter, and offers a little bit better control, but again, control and technique are highly subjective depending on individual body type, instruction, and personal preference (this last one here is killer).

I’ve seen depictions in medieval treatises of bastard swords being used one-handed on horseback, the second hand holding the reins. You can also have a buckler to protect your sword hand, or a full shield, but this is typically used more with the arming sword. If you can use it one handed though, you get a little extra reach with the blade. Using it in two hands, you can let go of the pommel hand for a grab, perhaps to hook it over the opponent’s upper arm and trap the blade, then stab with your other hand, the old “grabby-stabby” it’s called by absolutely no one ever.

Thanks for the question, Brat.

SomethingLikeALawyer, Hand of the King


Okay. So because it has been specifically requested, an examination of Lotor’s sword. I’m sorry to anyone who was excited for this because it just… isn’t.

Don’t get me wrong. It’s a nice solid sword with smooth lines, good visual flow, not gaudy – actually it’s quite plain and practical. Almost militaristically utilitarian. 

Which in and of itself is interesting given all the fandom expectations for Lotor to be a something of a lavish, exceedingly vain, and impractical sort. That sword suggests a personality that runs quite the opposite, unlike the extremely detailed and fanciful swords his father conjures with a bayard. The Blades of Marmora have more detailing going on than Lotor does.

Aside from that though, there’s not much I can glean historically based on the sword. A backswept thick crossguard like that isn’t a terribly common sword design, and is seen more often in animation and video games than reality. 

Indian Khandas and Patissas have backswept crossguards a little similar that, but this sword lacks the telltale markers of the Kanda’s wide, flat-ended blade shape, single edged blade, the arching hook on the pommel butt, or the one-sided basket-hilt-inspired finger guard. The pre-17th century (pre-European influence) Patissas are closer with thier lack of finger guards and often a lack of hook with a short thick backswept crossguard, but it’s only a single point of similarity, and not a strong one since Lotor’s crossguard sweeps back with thick and heavy finger guards on both sides – which would restrict movement strangely on a double edged blade and is why this just isn’t a design that happens in real swords. Lotor’s sword also lacks the distinctive triangular hilt extension running up the center of the blade. It just doesn’t match too many vital key markers.

Similarly, some Chinese Jian/Longsword designs have backswept hilts, but that is the extent of the similarity, again, nothing else about it from blade shape on seems to match.

The apparent two-handed hilt grip also makes it a bad match for most east Asian swords. They’re usually one-handed, sometimes a hand and a half, but Lotor could clearly comfortably fit both hands on it.

In fact, if you ignore the odd crossguard entirely, the sword becomes a very basic, very nice-but-boring-and-generic European Longsword. The large hit and length puts it towards the “bastard” and “great” sword size, as is also suggested by the long ricasso (unsharpened section just above the hilt). The blade cross section seems to be a mix of a diamond and hexagonal form, and the hilt a standard diamond shaped pommel. 

By no means a bad sword design, it’s just, largely uninteresting from a historical and meta commentary perspective.

Weapon: Bastard Sword

We start the next part of my segment with a European Weapon this time. Different from the usual longsword but not quite as large as the Claymore of Zweihander. It puts a balance between the lighter weight and speed of the Longsword but also means it has the weight and power of the heavier blades. I imagine it would be difficult to get used to at first but with a bit of work I don’t think it would be too much of a struggle. And in terms of range and cutting power it’d be brutally effective. Honestly don’t have much to say on this weapon but hey maybe in the future I shall. 



House Mormont of Bear Island is is an old, proud, and honorable house of the north,one of the principal families sworn to House Stark. Their seat is at Bear Island. Their blazon is a black bear over a green wood and their motto is “Here We Stand”. House Mormont is one of the few houses to have an ancestral weapon of Valyrian steel: a bastard sword called Longclaw.