i often mourn the kind of discussions we could be having about intertwining experiences all lgbt people have, but it’s nearly impossible to talk about them because people can’t stop and think for a minute and will instantly appropriate that discussion to back up their own views
like, it’s a fact that historically, lesbians/wlw have had intersecting spaces with trans men or transmascs. yet that cannot be discussed without some people thinking it means that a trans man can be a lesbian or can be in lesbian spaces, or that cis lesbians who experience body dysphoria can discuss trans stuff the same way trans people can
plus any discussion about historical wlw describing their feelings about themselves and women gets hijacked into some “uhm sounds like a trans man to me!!” just because in the past, gender and sexuality wasn’t seen as that separate and many wlw would compare themselves to men or say they feel like men feel about women etc. many butch lesbians especially have gender dysphoria and 200 years ago they did not have the tools or words to go “hmm maybe I am agender or my lesbianism makes it difficult for me to identify with womanhood”, and it’s lesbophobic as fuck to look at those kind of stories and instantly go uhmm this is transphobia they were clearly a trans man :/// especially when many wlw lived as men to avoid sodomy charges etc
but it also cannot be denied that there were also trans men with similar experiences, and not every afab person who lived as a man was wlw. it’s not even necessarily correct to call them these identities they had no knowledge of, especially when they are so colored by their ties to our time and culture.
it’s so true that it’s impossible to fully separate gender and sexuality when many identities exist in this space between them, and the only thing that separates two people with same experiences is how they define themselves. we cannot fall too deep into identity politics or born this way rhetoric, nor can we act like identities don’t mean anything and we’re all the same and experience the same forms of oppression
i identified as a trans man/transmasc from 12 years old to around 19-20 years old, and it would be really redundant to say that all of that was Fake and didn’t mean i was unaffected by transphobia because my True, Born This Way identity is and always was, lesbian. yet, now that I identify as an agender lesbian, I do not experience the same things anymore (though i’m still dysphoric and want many things i used to as a trans man) and it’s not my place to push myself into discussions about being a trans man
but all of this seems to be very hard to grasp for many, and so we get some truly wild discourse about lesbian trans men and non-transmascs like rcdart defending their transphobic art with “but uwu i’m nb” even when the fetishization of trans men does not affect them directly