The ‘Punch Nazis’ trend, and people saying 'no don’t do that’, lately has brought up one of the most shameful aspects of my life.
Once upon a time, many years ago, I was a neo-Nazi. As a teenager, I got involved with a guy who also considered himself a neo-nazi and I wound up with a swastika scratched into my leg that fortunately has left virtually no scar. Unsurprisingly, this was a horribly unhealthy relationship for 17yr old me to be in and it didn’t last long. A few years later I dated another guy, and his girlfriend. He was a neo-nazi, and his girlfriend was Jewish, and he got off on having a Jewish girl willing to basically pull a 'Night Porter’ with him. That too, unsurprisingly, was a very unhealthy relationship and was over very fast.
But how, why did I get sucked into that life? Quite simply, I was raised by racist parents. Parents who, though they’ve much improved in their views since my younger years, instilled in me the same racism and prejudices they held, all with the classic phrase of 'but we’re not raicst.’ No matter how rebellious I was in everything from religion to sub-culture to music to w/e, I never felt a need to rebel against that because it had been a part of my life on such a passive, natural level. As I became an adult and became more aware of the world around me and actually STUDIED (after some help) and educated myself, I began to see that what I was buying into, or at that point at least NOT rebelling against, was fucked up. Yet it was still hard to overcome, because hatred and pride are so, so easy to get sucked into. 'Misery loves company’ and there is a lot of misery in the world of white supremacists, so there’s plenty of people to pull you down while making it seem like they’re holding you up.
Ultimately I met someone who was willing to challenge me on absolutely everything and force me to think for myself. Every view I presented was questioned harshly, meanly, and time and time again my views that aligned with racism and nazism were demolished with logic. Soon this logic enabled me to realize 'Holy fuck, I have been a huge idiot, this is wrong’ (to say the least) and the same cognitive dissonance that set in with my 'religious epiphany’ began regarding human compassion. In that moment I swore I would not be party to those views again.
Looking back on it, were it not for the fact that I am A: Rebellious, B: Open to learning new things, and C: had someone willing to be a patient asshole with my stubborn bigotry, there is a chance that even now (I’m 28) I would not have overcome those viewpoints. Shy of someone literally punching me in the face, of someone blatantly and rudely standing up to me, I’d have carried on like I was right to hold those prejudices and ideologies.
And from what I knew/know of people who identify as 'nazis’ or 'alt-right’ or 'fascists’ or whatever fucking label they’re trying to put on their idiocy… they’re terrible people. The vast majority of whom are completely unwilling to entertain the idea they’re wrong. It doesn’t matter how eloquent you are, how patient you are, how peaceful you are, probably 98% of them will not listen and will not change their minds. There is something about the comradery of that hatred and pride that is more addictive than heroine. And that 2% that might be willing? They’ll branch out on their own, secretly, and entertain those ideas. But that 2% isn’t worth holding back.
Now we have the trend of punching nazis. And I love it. I love the fact that I love it, because a decade ago, I’d have been offended because I’d be a target. And yeah, punching their lights out may only serve to close their minds further, but, it does in fact teach them to keep their nonsense to themselves and not spout it publicly, and that they aren’t safe if they do. So, I just can’t get behind the idea of 'no, you can’t do that, it’s just more violence!’ because I’ve been there and know that’s the language they speak, that I once spoke; it was the language I best understood at the time.
If I met 17 year old nazi-me today, I’d punch myself in the face. And I’d have deserved it.
Thanks for reading, reddit. And also, to everyone who has ever been persecuted by fascists, neo-nazi’s and the 'altright’ or straight up racists… I’m sorry. I can’t apologize for them, but I still apologize for anything and everything I ever did to add to that grief.
EDIT Well. This got a bit popular. I’m trying my best to answer questions and messages! The biggest question I’ve gotten in messages has been about how to address people who are racist/involved in white supremacy to help turn them around (without just punching them in the face.)
My advice on this, and what worked with me, was knowing logical fallacies as my 'mentor’ who guided me out of the cave did. And he was a relentless asshole Granted, I was already open to new things and to learning, and without that it would have been a futile effort. One has to be open to and aware of the notion of cognitive dissonance for it to have a positive impact, otherwise they will just run further into the cave out of fear. However, if they are open to it, ask what their views are. Do this several times without criticizing or affirming, just do it to understand. Then go back and each time you speak with them, point out their lapses in logic: “But that’s post hoc… you’re basing that on false equivalence… don’t strawman’ and explain what those are. This took months and also my mentor convinced me to travel a bit with him on his dime. Like, he went above and beyond what most people could ever do. He helped to physically remove me from that life for a short time, but while someone is immersed in it… it’s daunting, and it’s going to take a very long time. I wish I could give you a more positive, instant-gratification answer, but that’s been my experience and that’s what I can convey best.
EDIT EDIT I understand many of you don’t advocate violence/are against the notion of punching people in the face even though they are literal nazis/think violence isn’t the answer… and you’re welcome to that view. However, I was met with those views time and time again, and they didn’t work. Being a woman, I seldom was the one attacked (sexism is a thing everywhere and in many directions… but that’s another issue) but my male counterparts were, and they deserved it. That’s what shut them up, that’s what pushed them back into the shadows. Yes, I am living proof that you can crawl out of that hole without that physical violence, but I also know how much of an anomaly that is (also that the verbal skirmishes with my mentor were far more painful and filled with far more rage than a fist to the face). You can accept the testimony of myself, and others who have posted here who’ve dealt with this lifestyle first hand, and consider it, or don’t. That’s up to you. I’ve posted this to simply express my experience and how I’ll choose to deal with it if needed.
EDIT EDIT EDIT Holy gilding batman! Thank you! And regardless of the mixed responses, even the harassing ones, I appreciate the conversation this has started and the insights that have been shared here.
EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT This post got far bigger than expected. I’m doing my best to answer questions and messages but I didn’t expect to front page (apparently this did? I didn’t see it but a few people mentioned that) and I can only tackle so much but I’ll try to get to all of it in time!
When Character A’s parents go out of town for a week and leave them at home alone, Character A doesn’t expect anything interesting to happen. They’re a very responsible teenager, after all.
But when Character B, Character A’s rebellious best friend, ropes them into going to an event half way across the country, Character A must deal with the feelings of guilt and liberation of finally going against their parents.
sometimes I’m like ahh I should b doing more rebellious teenage things but then my friends just tell me their stories and it sounds like too much of a hassle…. makes me thankful to b a teenage grandma™
blank space: muse a is a celebrity known for being a serial dater, and muse b is merely their latest squeeze. although muse b is at first thrilled to be dating someone so rich and famous, they soon find that muse a is a little more… intense than they first expected. will they work things out, or will muse b just become another ex-lover who says muse a is insane?
bad blood: muse a and muse b used to be partners in crime – literally. as well as being friends (and maybe even lovers), they were two of the most feared criminals in the country. but one heist, muse a betrayed muse b in a way muse b never thought possible, and handed them over to the police in exchange for a reduced sentence. now, muse b is out of jail, and out for blood. muse a will pay dearly for what they did to muse b, unless they can form a counterattack in time to save their own skin.
wildest dreams: muse a and muse b meet, and instantly hit it off. attracted to one another but knowing that nothing lasts forever, muse a proposes something to muse b: for one night, they’ll have the ultimate love affair / one night stand. a night full of romance, excitement, adventure, passion, and the sort of fantasy you read about in fairytales. after that, nothing. no contact information, probably never even seeing each other again. muse b accepts. after the night of passion is over, will their attraction to one another lead them together again, or will they only be left with memories?
i know places: muse a and muse b are in love, but their families don’t approve of the match. desperate to be together, they do the unthinkable, and run away together, despite not being even out of high school yet, and having no money. trying to start a new life for themselves, as well as hide from their families, the two may have bitten off more than they can choose.
how you get the girl:muse a broke muse b’s heart six months ago, and now realizes it was the worst mistake they ever made. now, they just want muse b back. but muse b isn’t going to make things easy for them. can muse a convice muse b to take them back, or is the relationship a lost cause?
style: muse a is the clean-cut, goody-goody type, and they’ve fallen hard for muse b, and older, rebellious delinquent. behind their parents’ backs, muse a dates muse b, sneaking out with them and finding themselves deeper and deeper in a “real” world they know nothing about. their relationship is a tempestuous one, but no matter how tense things get, they’ll never leave each other.
wonderland: everyone warned muse a and muse b that rushing into things so quickly wouldn’t work out for them, but they didn’t listen, and began dating almost immediately after they met, moving in together after barely a month. before six months are out, the two were married. however, they’re still getting to know each other, and more and more problems arise in their marriage every day. will they prove everyone wrong and stay together, or will they drive each other mad?
[ If the prince was hoping he’d get a bloody nose, he’s going to have to hope harder than that. Harlock’s been tossed around a lot in his life and this was nothing. Well, except for embarrassing, but… ]
“You make it sound as if the royal family is laid back with their schedules. I’m guessing you have nothing going on today, Leo?” [ The captain asked, getting onto his feet and brushing himself down before turning back to Leo. ]
“Other than maybe Queen, you’re the only Phantom Thief that would have fit the role. You know how I operate, know my skills and my tactics, and know how to plan with, and around, them. I’m glad it was you, Akechi-kun, because it gives us a chance to be partners for real this time.”
What about teacher-student AU's? Either romance or not
Some are romantic, some are not, and most can be taken a romantic route if wished. Hope you enjoy!
Person A is a new teacher at Person B’s school and can’t seem to do anything right. Person B is the one student in the class that takes pity on the new teacher and becomes the new teacher assistant to help them out
Person A is a strict, dictator-like teacher that everyone in school despises. Person B is the rebellious student whose made it their personal mission to make Person A’s class entertaining. Even if it means getting detention nearly every day
Person A is a cute, young teacher while Person B is a senior and despite the little age difference and Person B being a consenting 18-year-old, they have to keep their relationship secret and under wraps (bonus: Person C is the student/teacher who threatens to expose them)
Person A is the student who tries to being a smart-ass/clown during class only to find out that the new teacher, Person B, is an even wittier smart-ass than them
Person A is a teacher who takes pity on the always sleeping, always late, student, Person B, and can easily see that Person B is going through a really rough time. Person A does everything they can to make things easier for Person B and always makes sure that Person B knows that they can come talk anytime. Person B eventually sees Person A as the parent they’ve never had.
Person A is a mysterious, cold, yet very cute and young teacher that everyone has a crush on. Everyone but Person B who sees nothing but a (an admittedly good looking) jackass.
AU ideas based off of movies that shouldn't make good AUs but actually might
Character A is a broke carpenter, hired by Character B, a born-into-money asshole who thinks they're above everyone. When Character B falls off of their yacht and loses their memory, Character A decides to pay them back for their poor attitude by showing up at the hospital and making Character B believe they are their spouse (and subsequently, the parent of their 6 rowdy children)
Character A, the neighbor of Character B, spends their entire adolescence in love with Character B, though they never notice them. After spending a year abroad, Character A comes home all grown up, catching Character B's attention (stealing it from their fiance).
House on Haunted Hill:
A handful of people are offered $50,000+ to stay in a reportedly haunted mansion. The guest list includes Character A, a naive and somewhat gullible but kind person who only needs the money to support their family, Character B, a gambler who can never seem to come up and who swears they don't believe in ghosts, as well as a psychic, the host of the party, and numerous shady people; every one of them strangers to one another.
Character A is a penniless writer who came to a large city (namely, Paris) to make a name for themselves and join the urban counter-culture that's always interested them. Character B is an aspiring performer who currently finds a living as a courtesan. Their paths cross and they fall in love, however doomed they are from the start.
Character A spends their summer out of their home country, falling in love with Character B, who seems to be the perfect match for them. However, Summer has to end and they go their separate ways. When school starts back up, Character A's family decides to stay and enrolls them in the same school as Character B, who isn't the person Character A thought they were.
Character A and Character B have been friends for years and decide to (platonically, of course) do the do. Weeks later, Character A finds out they're pregnant and can't bring themselves to abort the baby, stringing Character B along for the entire ride.
Character A was a best selling author at the age of 19, but has since become a reclusive shut in with writer's block. Their therapist urges them to write a short story about an original character (Character B), who comes to life and believes they're dating.
Character A is in the popular clique, despite how much they hate their so-called friends. Character B moves to town and catches their eye instantly. After accidentally killing Character A's friend and framing it as a suicide, Character B's true colors start to show and maybe, juuuuust maybe, they're kinda sorta not all that sane.
10 Things I Hate About You:
Character A's younger sibling is convinced that they're never been fun, and for that reasoning their parents have made it a very strict rule that unless Character A dates, their sibling can't. As a result, they pay Character B to start dating Character A, but then feelings happen.
But I'm A Cheerleader!:
Character A is sent off to a homosexual reforming camp by their freakishly religious parents, forced to room with numerous members of the same sex, including the very attractive and rebellious Character B, who often sneaks out of camp to go party at the local gay bar.
i want a plot where muse a and muse b are just the rebellious and reckless ‘bad’ boys/girls. and they don’t let anyone in their lives except for each other. they are rude to everyone else but each other. they care about nothing else but each other. they skip class and just smoke and talk and omg i cry. they both seem so intimidating and shit until you see them together.
I have a list of fanfic/au ideas that I may or may not get around to so please use them for your own inspiration:
Person A loses their voice (screaming too much at a concert, sickness, etc) and now Person B has to find other ways of communicating
Persons A from OTP 1 and OTP 2 decide to compete to see who is the better significant other without telling Persons B. Persons B find out because “oh my god you idiots are so obvious”, but decide to go along because its amusing as hell
Better yet, friendly competitions between Person A and B that start off cute and turns SAVAGE
Person A decides to show off how much they can hold their liquor. The rest of the night Person B takes care of Person A.
“Lol so you wanted me to come over because you were home alone and scared which hey I’m happy to do but if you wanted to hook up you don’t have to make up weird excuses…oh. oh you were serious.”
Person A is tired of being seen as a goody two-shoes and asks Person B to help them be more rebellious. Person B isn’t all that rebellious either, but they just really want to spend time with them so they go along with it.
Person A is always accidentally hurting themselves because they’re clumsy and Person B keeps getting blamed by others that they’re the ones responsible. Person A later accidentally hurts Person B, but no one believes Person B about it
“You’re a witch and I believe magic is bullshit but there’s some weird shit going on and I’m desperate” OR “my roommate is convinced its supernatural and I’ll let them indulge” AU
Spy AU: “We both got burned/lost our old partners and have been paired up together, but we both have trust issues to deal with if this is gonna work”
MUSE A is an innocent lil’ cutie who has really religious or conservative parents and is being sent to camp or volunteer in a camp while MUSE Bis the rebellious badass who probably drinks way too much, parties all night, gets high, and has way too much one night stands and is being sent to the same camp MUSE A is at. MUSE A and MUSE B meet one day and MUSE A knows that she needs to avoid MUSE B but MUSE B wants to corrupt lil’ MUSE A and then one day they get paired up for a stupid camp activity (hiking thing) and MUSE A has never hated her life so much and is really nervous around MUSE B and they get lost and it gets really dark and I don’t know where this will go but this could go to fluff, or angst, or even smut but give me this please.
Peter hated the entire idea of spending his summer at a camp, yet a few gazes upon all the innocent people he could corrupt, quickly changed his mind. Getting the best out of the worst possible scenario. One week in and he had been paired up with a girl, no one but, the person that seemed to hate him the most. Not that he cared, at least until in the middle of the hiking trip they’d have gotten lost, all alone and together. Few minutes more and the sun’d disappear completely. That’s when he stopped on his feet and sighed, turning back towards her. “Our time is out. I think we should camp, get some sleep and find out way back in the morning, yeah?” Keep on going without much light, was more risky than needed. Sure Peter was known to be reckless, but not to such point. Not awaiting for her reply, he kept on walking a few more steps towards some amount of rocks perfect for them to sleep in. “Are you hungry?”