There is some more info/detail I wanted to add in. I also wanted to respond to some of the responses I received. Below is a response I got, and I wanted to address it, because I
received others that were similar…
Either you did not read my entire post (in detail) or you did not understand
what I was getting at. You have to have seen the original Star Wars movies and
understand the culture when those movies came out and why they were so
popular. You also have to understand the theme I’m getting at. I’m not trying to analyze romances specifically, but the trend in how consumers think and what they want. I know that you personally probably do not care, but I’m doing this
for other people that may not have seen some of the connections that I was intending to make. I also want to clarify that I used both economics and logic/deduction, not feelings and desires to come to these conclusions.
Fairy Tales + Beauty and the Beast
Fact: We were told by JJ Abrams that Episode 7/8/9 will be like a
fairy tale in outer space. We were also told that Ep. 7/8/9 will not have the
plot of a traditional romance.
Disney now owns Lucasfilm and is
developing the new Star Wars movies.
Disney is very well known for their
these facts, I made deductions on what I think could logically happen in Ep.
7/8/9. That is why I looked at the two most recent live action fairy tale
movies that Disney came out with. Cinderella 2015 and Beauty and the Beast
2017. I looked at which one made the most money, which was Beauty and the Beast. Based on
economic theory, it is never possible to determine if the $720 million
difference was caused directly by consumer interest of the plot. Which is why I
added in speculations that some of the differences could have been caused by the popularity of the actors and the marketing for the
films. I did not mention it in the last post (because I didn’t think I had to go into so much detail) but Disney is planning on making anotherlive action Cinderella movie which centers around Prince Charming, not Cinderella. This logically leads me to believe that since the original Cinderella plot did not bring in much money at the box office, they are trying something different (from the prince’s perspective). Many Cinderella movies have been made in the past, but none have been significantly popular/record breaking aside from the original in 1950. Beauty and the Beast made a record-breaking amount of money at the box office in 2017. Because of this, it can be assumed that the plot had something to do with the amount of money it made.
I think it is universally assumed that a traditional romance is where the princess (protagonist) falls in love with prince charming (protagonist), like Cinderella is. A non-traditional romance would obviously include anything completely different from a traditional romance, like Beauty and the Beast is. I did not say that Beauty and the Beast was a better movie because I liked the plot better, and I did not even say if I liked Beauty and the Beast and vice versa with Cinderella. I simply stated that their are distinct differences between the plots and how the movies are doing financially. Because of the facts given to us by Disney/JJ Abrams and from the economic analysis, we can predict that Star Wars Ep. 7/8/9 may look similar to a Beauty and the Beast style plot.
The responses to this have been hilarious. I went back and read what I wrote, and I realized that no one was really understanding what I was trying to get at. I was in NO WAY implying that they will be having dirty sex scenes, bondage, and spanking in TLJ or Ep. 9. Absolutely not. I was implying that in our current pop culture has made stories like 50 Shades of Grey more popular/mainstream. I also want to clarify that I mentioned only the books, not the movies. The books were very very successful.
For people telling me that Disney would never do that, I agree. I don’t think they will either, but that doesn’t mean that the original Star Wars did not have 50 Shades-like content.
I probably should have put it in my original post, but didn’t want to make it too long. Just in case, I want to remind everyone that the scenes with Princess Leia as a slave were very controversial. Especially since many young/teen boys were originally supposed to be the target audience. She was half naked, pretty, and chained up as a slave. Star Wars made a lot of money off of that. I am not saying that I condone them doing that to Carrie Fisher or to the movies, but I am simply stating that it brought them in a lot of money. Now bringing it back to Disney, I thought it would be assumed that no, Disney will not be showing dirty porn in movie theaters. I also don’t think they will be doing anything similar to the Princess Leia slave scenes. They will, however, take into consideration that scandalous content (not explicit content, scandalous content) has become more mainstream. Somebody does not need to read 50 Shades of Grey to know that it is scandalous, and despite that, many women around the world are obsessed with it.
Game of Thrones
I didn’t hear much chatter about this one. It is extremely popular, and there is just as much porn in Game of Thrones as there is in 50 Shades of Grey. But that is not why I chose to use it as an example. I added in Game of Thrones because it has one main thing that people love about it. The dynamics of all the characters. People are now staring to like Jaime Lannister, who tried to murder a young boy for catching his incest with his sister. There are so many examples, and all of the characters are so dynamic. People in pop culture are now starting to understand that characters are humans, like us. They make mistakes, just like humans do. There is no pure bad guy or good guy, there is only shades in between.
I wish I had the time to go through every single movie/show/book that has done well financially, but that is not realistic. Just like how calculating the income of every individual in the country is not realistic. Economists use estimators from samples to determine what the population looks like as whole, which I tried my best to do. If I was ignoring facts and only using stories just like Reylo, I could have easily said “Disney created Lion King II, and it had the enemies fall in love, that totally means that Reylo is going to happen guys!” Or I could have said “LucasFilm created Strange Magic a couple years ago, and that had a enemies to lovers story line, Reylo is totally going to happen now, it’s proof!” But no, I didn’t, I brought up Game of Thrones, which has absolutely nothing to do with Reylo.
To be honest, I really wish I had the time to into other successful books/movies like Harry Potter (Dumbledore+Snape), Sherlock Holmes, Avengers/Marvel, Hunger Games, etc. but they all would have lead me to the same conclusion. Thatthe general audience likes to see grey/morally ambiguous characters/stories, and they like to be surprised by what decisions characters will make. **Potential Spoilers** Did anyone from the beginning of Harry Potter think “Gee, I bet Snape is going to help Dumbledore/the Trio later on” or “I bet Dumbledore secretly had a crush on a wizard version of Hitler (Griwndlewald).” Or in the last Hunger Games, how many people thought “Wow, I bet that Katniss will kill Coin instead of Snow.” And bringing it back to Star Wars, no one thought that Luke and Leia were siblings, just like how no one believed that Darth Vader was Luke’s father.
So far in The Force Awakens, Rey has been set up to look like she is Luke’s daughter and that she will potentially have a relationship with Finn. This is what the general audience sees, and that is what Disney/LucasFilm wants the general public to see. The general public does not see Reylo or Stormpilot, they see what is given to them, FinnRey. Finn clearly asks Rey if she has a boyfriend, clearly setting them up for a potential Romance. Just like how Snape was set up as being an evil asshole, and almost everyone hated him. And just like how Dumbledore was set up to be a purely good character. But in the last two books, it was revealed that Snape wasn’t entirely an evil asshole and that Dumbledore wasn’t as pure as everyone thought. Based on the trends of other very successful stories and past Star Wars movies, Ep. 8/9 will be doing something dramatically different than what they set up in TFA in order to bring in the money they want.
I’m not doing this because I want people to agree with me or to start an argument. And I’m not doing it specifically because I like Reylo. I’m doing it because I enjoy predicting how movies will turn out, and it’s a hobby of mine to predict decisions of big companies.
I would have went into a StormPilot post like this, but I know that they
are adding in Rose as a new character. Since we have not seen Rose on
screen yet, there is no knowing how they are going to set up her and
Finn’s initial relationship. After TLJ I’ll probably do a post analyzing
what we can expect in Ep. 9 from StormPilot or FinnRose. I honestly
think there may be potential for Stormpilot, since FinnRey is what the
general public is expecting, StormPilot (like Reylo) would be an
unexpected turn for the audience. But like I said, it depends on how
they set up Rose.
“I didn’t know we had the best pilot in the Resistance on
The slightly mechanical voice drew Poe’s gaze to the man in
the mask, shrouded in his dark cloak.
Poe’s usually quick tongue was at a loss. He could feel the
fear creeping up inside of him, threatening to boil over and show it, but he
forced it down. The First Order loved to make people feel afraid. They thrived
on it. He couldn’t give them that satisfaction.
“I’m impressed. No one has managed to get from you what you
did with the map.” Kylo Ren seemed perfectly passive for someone harboring so
much evil. Then again, that was probably why he wore the mask.
Some of his vibrato fought through his emotions, and Poe
spat back with what little fire he had left. “You might want to rethink your technique.”
Kylo reached out with a gloved hand and forced his way into
the pilot’s mind, pulling him up in the chair with the power of it. Poe wasn’t
strong with the force, but he wasn’t weak-minded either. His thoughts on the
surface betrayed little that would help.
Kylo threw Poe back into the chair as he tried to press
further in. “Where is it?”
Poe gritted through his teeth. “The Resistance will not be
intimidated by you.” The force pressing and pulling at Poe’s brain was so much
so that it was pulling him, slowly, towards Kylo’s outstretched hand. Poe knew
he couldn’t take it much more and let out a yell.
The searing pain of this moment was nearly unbearable. In
all of your late night conversations about the Jedi- and there had been many- you
had not once told him what it was like to be on the receiving end of mind
tricks like this. You’d never mentioned the pain, the force pressing in on your
brain, squeezing it inside his skull. Was it always like this, or was that just
“You have her.”
Poe looked up through bleary eyes just in time to see Kylo
taking a step back, shock. “Who?”
Kylo’s palm flattened out, and Poe was slammed back into the
chair. The pain in his head was a dull throb. Clearly, Kylo had given up this
attack; he’d resorted to something a little more head on. Poe felt like he was
being crushed into the chair, like Kylo was physically trying to force him
through it. “You have her.” It was a growl, the first genuine emotion Kylo had
“(Y/n)…” Poe realized what he’d done. Kylo had seen you in
his thoughts. Kylo had seen you in his thoughts, knew who you were with. Poe failed you. “No.”
Kylo raised his hand back to Poe’s mind. He had to know more.
He had to know everything. He assaulted Poe’s thoughts with a vengeance,
tearing at his mind and unraveling him with a fury he hadn’t possessed in years,
as if Poe was the weakest mind in the galaxy.
Kylo flew through thoughts of cockpits, Jakku, command
centers. He practically disregarded the image of a small BB unit carrying the
map he had come for. No, he kept plowing through till he saw what he was now looking
for. An image of you.
Kylo ripped himself from Poe’s mind and fled the room,
shouting orders about finding the droid as he marched for Leader Snoke, ready
to beg if he must. He was going to… needed to kill that resistance scum. How
dare he even think of you!
An image of you. Sitting on a grassy hill, lying back to
look at the stars. Poe, running over to join you. The smile on your face when
he laid down with you. He hadn’t seen that smile in years… He used to be the
only one who could make you smile like that…
Two hands grabbed at
your waist from behind and jerked you back through a door.
You reached instinctively
for the lightsaber on your hip, but when you looked down to grab at it the
hands that grabbed you encompassed it already, holding it in place at your hip.
“Not so fast there, my
Tension flooded from
your body. “Ben!” You laughed wheeling on him and throwing your arms around his
neck. “Don’t scare me like that!”
“Sorry,” He chuckled, “I
just couldn’t resist.” His arms draped over your hips as he bent his head to
rest against yours. “It’s been nearly two weeks since I’ve seen you. I just got
a little overexcited.”
“A little?” You glanced
back instinctively to the open door behind you. “Someone could’ve seen us!
Someone could still see…”
Ben raised his hand
and flicked his wrist. The door swung shut and locked itself before you could
even finish a sentence. “Sorry, what were you saying?”
You didn’t need to
turn back. You could hear the smirk in his voice. “Ha. Ha. Very funny,” You
said sarcastically. “Really Ben,” You rounded on him. Hands falling to his
chest, you tried to express the urgency of what you were saying to him, “We
need to be more careful. People are starting to get suspicious. Luke is getting suspicious.”
Ben rolled his eyes, “So
what? Who cares if they know?”
“Who cares? Ben, Luke
would throw us out, and you know it! It’s against the Jedi…”
“Yeah,” Ben waved you
off with a heavy sigh, “against the rules I know. But…” He hesitated half a
second, “What if I said I don’t care?”
Then, it was your turn
to roll your eyes. “I’d call you a liar…” You glanced around the room, force of
habit checking for eavesdroppers. You bit your lip and turned back to him with a
teasing tone. “Come to my room tonight. We’ll talk about this more, hopefully
somewhere we won’t get caught.” Traipsing back, you kept your eyes locked on
his as you moved to the door. “Let’s not risk it okay? For your sake… You want
to be a Jedi more than anything, Ben.”
As the door shut
behind you Ben slumped back against the wall. “Not more than I want you.”