Alright, so here’s my thing and why I’m not buying the bullshit, “Well it doesn’t matter what Nicotero, Gimple, Norman, Emily, and even LC and Sonequa say, because that doesn’t equal canon.” Because I’ve watched this entire war between Bethylers and C@rylers unfold from the jump–the very beginning. And let’s be real, this is what it ultimately boils down to.
I was one of the first main Bethylers on here along with bethylforever and a very selective handful of other girls who can attest to this, because they were there for the whole thing too. So newer shippers might not be aware of the entirety of what fans have had to endure from the C@ryl side, and how hypocritical they can be when it comes to “shipping rules”. Whatever the fuck that actually means, considering these “rules” somehow managed to just pop up out of nowhere. Surprise, surprise.
When all of this first happened, and even now– what constitutes as canon to C@rylers has been extremely double standardized. Considering one of their prevalent shippers who writes the long metas based on her interpretations of what’s going on between these characters, while simultaneously trying to present them as “facts” and “evidence” as to how everything is going to lead up to canon.
This was especially true during/around the time that Beth was first kidnapped and she was writing metas on Beth as well and how Beth “wouldn’t be coming back”. But during that timeline whenever a lot of interviews and articles were coming out, C@rylers were using all of the pro-C@ryl material, and once again, presenting it as evidence that C@ryl would be heading into/already was “canon”, and whenever our tags (and the general twd ones) were being bombarded with these things, Bethylers attempted the same thing by saying, “An article doesn’t mean it’s canon.” And for that, many Bethylers were ridiculed, anonymously hassled day in and day out about saying that. So the double standards have got to stop. There’s a vast difference between practicing what you preach and crossing your fingers at the alter. Because really, what it’s sounding like at this point is that it doesn’t matter what anyone says, not even the Executive Producer, The Showrunner, majority of the cast or even a good chunk of the general viewers think, the only thing that can constitute as evidence, proof or otherwise is only specifically things that cater to the C@ryl ship.
Because saying Bethyl isn’t canon over and over, or screeching at us that Beth is dead still doesn’t change the fact that canon things have gone on on-screen as well that constitutes as “canon”
▫ Daryl carrying Beth bridal style through the doorway; canon.
▫ Daryl telling Beth that she’s what changed his mind about good people being left in the world; canon
▫ Daryl watching Beth play piano and sing intently; canon.
▫ Daryl making the decision to try and stay and make a life with Beth at the funeral home even though the rest of Team Family was still out there; canon
▫ Daryl and Beth holding hands and intertwining their fingers; canon
▫ The “serious piggyback”; canon
▫ Daryl nearly shanking that guy for talking about Beth and saying she wouldn’t last long; canon
▫ Daryl being extremely depressed after losing Beth, self harming, isolating himself because of her; canon
▫ Rick saying, “I know you lost something back there.”; canon.
▫ Carol recognizing that before the fall of the Prison, he was like a boy, but after he and Beth escaped together and once he was back, now he’s a man; canon.
Among many others, but the point is that you can’t sit there and spout out old interviews from back before Alone had even aired yet, using them as a weapon against a ship if you’re going to say interviews don’t count for that ship. Because essentially what you’re literally saying is, it doesn’t count unless it’s about C@ryl. And it has been that way for a long, long time.
All I’m saying is, you can’t discount the fact that in several more interviews, not even articles, but interviews–with people who run the show, see the scripts, all the outtakes, gain the final footage and that the people who literally play these characters have seen Bethyl as a thing and then turn around when you get ones catering to your ship and use those as irrefutable proof/evidence. That’s not how it works.
Not to mention trying to say that AMC Official is just mistakes is a bit of a stretch too considering how much and how often Bethylers and cstans alike have been freaking out over those character bios for quite a bit now. Surely they would of fixed it, had it been an error. And not only that, but it’s a bit naive to discount things that the Executive Producer, The Showrunner say in regards to these stories, and all three actors involved who play the characters of these ships say about the characters they play and know. That’s a bit presumptuous and honestly silly.
MMB has said that C@ryl was a fanmade ship. Norman said on multiple occasions, especially more recently (Post 4B) that Carol is like Daryl’s sister. Emily said that the way she interpreted it was that Daryl cared about her in a very special way, that they wee kind of together but Beth didn’t know because he never really said it.
So when I say “canon”, I’m speaking in terms of what I’ve seen ONSCREEN and what the perceptions of the people who’ve helped create, shape and play these characters have to say about it, and what their takes on what is going on with them, because really, when it comes down to it, TPTB have the ultimate say and as far as Bethyl goes, it’s already a done thing. That’s why I’m saying, even though Beth is dead, they were still saying Daryl was ready for romance and that supposedly never happened (or it did, and it just wasn’t with Carol, so a lot of folks are refusing to acknowledge it.) That’s not to say C@ryl can’t still happen down the road or something, it’s just saying that with what we were shown on screen, what we were told off screen and behind the scenes of it all, yeah, technically in a lot of ways, Bethyl is canon.