at least he's consistent with his type though

Kevin, Ryan and Neil are a Fighting-Dark-Psychic triad: a dissertation

I’ve worked in close contact with the Pokemon fandom for several years so I’m competent enough to make this statement.

First, the obvious:

Kevin is Fighting type: The Fighting type isn’t just about physical strength, it embodies virtue and honour and it is typically the “Hero” type in juxtaposition with Dark which is the “Evil” type in Japanese. 

Kevin is not only canonically the strongest of the three, he’s also the most honest and honourable, as specified in the official source below. 

In the Money Tree, Kevin kickstarts a series of regrettable events, however his motivations were noble: he wanted to help his friends and himself live a better life. 

Even in real life, Kevin is a complete hero and role model and has never done anything wrong in his life. Kevin is Fighting type.

Ryan is Dark: First of all, Ryan hangs out in graveyards, owns several cursed items and writes creepypasta, or at least used to. 

Now you may tell me that this would make him a Ghost type rather than Dark, however I beg to differ: Ghost is weak against Ghost and immune to Fighting. Ryan cannot feasibly be weak to Ghost- and in Mister Basement, Kevin knocks him out in a single move.

IF YOU THINK RYAN MURPHY: PSYCHIC FRIEND IS PROOF THAT RYAN IS PSYCHIC TYPE, THINK AGAIN. Ryan may be able to use Psychic powers but it is clearly not something that he does naturally and willingly. He may know Psychic type moves but it isn’t his bread and butter. Also, this image is really good.

Ryan is clearly the most morally ambiguous of the three. While he is on the same side as the other two, he operates by his own specific set of greyish morals. In The Vigilante, he becomes a hero archetype, however he beats people up and is shown to be a general menace.

Moreover, in The Curse of Spooky Manor, he lies to Kevin to preserve his own safety and Neil’s, a classic Dark type move. In general, Ryan is shown to use any means necessary to overcome difficulties, no matter how dirty or trope-breaking. Plus he has the Dark type aesthetic. Look at him. He has the Dark type aesthetic. Look. Ryan is Dark and there is very little contrary evidence to this statement. He may however be a mixed type, like Dark/Poison, or Dark/Fairy or something.

Neil is Psychic: Neil is often played as the geeky smart one of the trio, and also the “idea-haver”, making him a plausible Psychic type and thus nicely completing a rock-paper-scissor triangle wherein Kevin beats Ryan, Ryan beats Neil, Neil beats Kevin (not to say that they would ever fight each other or have any reason to, but this is how hypothetically the weaknesses would work out). 

Neil’s videos and music have a typical Psychic type feel, implanting songs and memetic content in people’s heads and occasionally causing headaches and nausea in the least acclimated. Neil’s mind control abilities would deserve a post on their own as this is getting long. 

His aesthetic is overall consistent with the Psychic type, with stats probably strongly oriented towards special attack rather than defense, as is common with Psychic types. There is a chance, again, that Neil may be a mixed type, though I feel that in his case it would be a lot harder to identify his secondary type. However there is strong evidence that he is at least part Psychic.

Hyde and Jackie (and Eric) and Antagonism

Jackie and Hyde’s friends claim throughout the series that Jackie and Hyde hate each other, but Jackie and Hyde never show each other outright hatred. Jackie is judgmental about Hyde’s parental and economic background, and this is what fuels a large part of Hyde’s dislike.

Hyde’s annoyance at Jackie’s presence is different, particularly during season 1. Jackie is relatively new to the basement (according to cut dialogue from the pilot, Jackie and Kelso have been dating for only three weeks), and she changes the dynamic there. Her likes and interests don’t fit in with the gang’s, and she often tries to force her opinions onto everyone else. She insists Eric say that the Fonz could beat up Bruce Lee. She replays one part of a Peter Frampton song so much that Hyde tells her to put on headphones then mutters, “Now wrap the cord around your neck,” which might be the most outright bit of hostility toward Jackie we see from him (discounting season 8 since I don’t consider that season canon).

Hyde clearly resents that Jackie monopolizes Kelso’s time. While Eric palled around with Donna, Hyde and Kelso were getting into trouble together, as we see in “The Keg” (106). Hyde has Fez in season 1, but that friendship is relatively new compared to the eleven years he had with Kelso.

Jackie often doesn’t purposely try to make Hyde feel badly about himself. For instance, she tries to correct her visceral reaction to learning who his mother is in “Career Day” (i.e. “Your mom is Gross Edna? Ew!”). When Hyde calls her on that response with his facial expression, she says afterward, “I mean, cool!” while giving him a thumbs-up.

Alongside Hyde’s annoyance at and dislike of her, however, exists a small but potent amount of affection. In “The Keg,” Hyde is miffed and slightly pissed that Eric lies to Jackie. He says to Donna, “[Forman’s] lying to Jackie, man. I lie to Jackie! You know, it seems to me that the scrawny little neighbor boy is willing to engage in criminal actions for that saucy red-head next door.”

Yes, the obvious interpretation is that Hyde’s annoyed that the relative goody-goody Eric is acting more like Hyde in order to make Donna, Hyde’s current love interest, happy. But taken in the context of Hyde’s full relationship with Jackie over the course of the show, we can also read some possessiveness in this scene of his role in Jackie’s life.

Jackie and Hyde’s relationship is complex from the get-go, and characterizing it with, “They hate each other!” is both an oversimplification and a misunderstanding. Unfortunately, that’s how the season 8 showrunners interpret Jackie and Hyde’s early interactions, and it leads to the out-of-character crapfest that ends a mostly excellent series. 

Even before “Prom Night” (119), Jackie trusts Hyde in season 1. She hugs him in “Ski Trip” (113) and cries in his arms over Kelso. Donna is sitting right there, but Jackie goes to Hyde instead. We don’t get any grounding for this initial trust, so we have to make up the reason for ourselves, but that trust keeps on building throughout the early seasons.

Her choice of Hyde as her Prom date, on the other hand, has more grounding. In “The Best Christmas Ever” (112), we learn that Jackie doesn’t find Hyde unattractive. She tells him, “If you want to make out with me, the answer’s probably no.” She clearly finds him appealing enough to consider kissing, despite that she’s already in a relationship with Kelso. 

In “Prom Night,” Jackie says to Hyde, “I bet you clean up real good!” meaning he’d be handsome in a suit (and maybe a hair cut). Her combination of trust in and physical attraction to Hyde makes him the perfect choice as her Prom date.

Two characters who do show genuine hostility to each other are Eric and Jackie. Their relationship lacks the complex subtext of Jackie and Hyde’s and is far more simple: Jackie and Eric don’t respect each other. The end.

Okay, not quite the end. Whenever Laurie isn’t in an episode, Eric’s sibling hostility tends to transfer onto Jackie. He calls Jackie “the devil,” which is what he often calls Laurie. He also extends the devil analogy, as he does with Laurie: “You only think [Jackie’s] hot because she’s made out of hellfire,” “[I]f you were to cut off one of [Jackie’s] hands, it would probably grow back into another Jackie”.

Unlike Hyde, Eric has a hefty lack of respect for Jackie. He often talks about her as if she’s less than human – same as with Laurie – and it’s one of his least endearing qualities. He should have been more kind toward her, considering she defuses a lot of Donna’s anger toward him. The writers, though, weren’t great at exploring the complexity they themselves wrote into the characters.

Jackie’s feelings toward Eric are more varied. She trusts him, within limits, probably because of how good he is to Donna. But she also consistently talks about how he isn’t masculine (enough for her) and expresses her physical revulsion toward him – without a hint of subtext. She’s being utterly honest; he’s not her type. She might not like Hyde’s “pork-chop sideburns” until later on, but despite them she still finds him physically attractive.

Character typing: more pitfalls to avoid


So the Mr. Darcy post got me thinking about how people mistype sensors.

There are three different main patterns of mistyping sensor characters as intuitives* I can think of. I chalk these three down to poor understanding of sensing functions (I hesitate to say intuitive bias here, since a. I think sometimes it’s genuine poor understanding based on poor information elsewhere rather than an actual held belief that intuition dom/aux users are better at everything but SPORTS and PAPERWORK, and b. If you say intuitive bias three times a teenage self-typed intuition dom/aux will appear in your mirror and whine about how hard it is to be them and you just don’t understand).

Also I’m using MCU characters as my examples, because I saw Captain America: Civil War this morning and I have thought about this shit way too much.

1. Straight up lack of knowledge of the sensing functions. This is the one that assumes entrepreneurship and resourcefulness is an Ne trait only, or predicting future outcomes is Ni only, when the difference is in the source of that entrepreneurship/prediction. I honestly could be swayed either way on the ExTP question for Tony Stark**, for example, but this is the core conflict: is his quick wit, tendency towards being a playboy/asshole, and talent for innovation due to Ne or Se? This happens a lot with dichotomy models, and the result is usually than an xSxx is typed as their N-using counterpart.

2. Seeing the functions but getting them out of order: typing the character as intuitive because they’re smart/creative even though they use more sensing This is what’s in play when people type Daredevil (Netflix flavor) as INTJ instead of ISFP. They see that he has his own moral code (Fi user) and that he relies primarily on his assessment of the situation as it arises to act quickly (Se user)…and then I guess see that he has some long term goals (Ni and/or Te) and decide he’s an INTJ, even though he consistently makes his decisions based on morality rather than logic and acts impulsively without serious consideration of future impact. This one does generally require at least a cursory function understanding, and as you can see, the result is that someone is typed as the dual type (or the introverted/extroverted version of such).

3. The one the Mr. Darcy description is most guilty of: not realizing that sensors and intuitives have equal access to their judging functions.

To expand on #3, disliking crowds and unease with strangers? Could be any introvert or for that matter an extrovert with social anxiety. Prefers facts to feelings? Okay, probably a thinking type over feeling then. Perceptive? Maybe he’s a perceiving function dom; both sensing and intuition perceive things. Decisive, stubborn and a person of convictions? Points to a judging type then, and we’ve decided he’s probably a thinker, so TJ rather than FJ, and given the potential hints towards introversion and perceiving dom, that makes him most likely an IxTJ. So you’ve got the right judging axis, but where’s the Ni?

Now, many descriptions, especially of the letters-only variety, tend towards ignoring the capacity of people to use their tertiary and inferior functions, but it seems worse with a lot of the sensing types. ESFPs and ESTPs are pretty much reduced to a shallow version of Se, with the judging aux functions basically only there to distinguish them from each other (do you like dancing and drama? Or sports and action)? Their Te or Fe tert? Forget it. At least ISTP and ISFP get a little bit of credit for Ti and Fi before people get to the Se-aux and forget that they also have Ni-tert. Now, plenty of INTJ descriptions do ignore Fi (the ‘emotionless world domination nut’ stereotype), but if an IxTJ gets credit for having it, guess which one it’s going to be.

Since I use character typing a lot as a basis for comparison and examples, and since that was a big part of what got me really interested in studying functions, if I see an character typed as an intuitive somewhere and if there’s a reason provided for the typing overall, I go through the steps just like I did for Mr. Darcy. This isn’t something just I do or came up with; clearly @in-tj did as well, and there’s a good @funkymbtifiction post in which someone asks her why she typed Captain America (see I told you, MCU all up in this) as an ISFJ rather than INFJ, and her response is effectively “I posted my logic, so can you tell me why you don’t see him as an ISFJ?

*I did leave out the fourth mistyping pattern, namely the “what the fuck are you even doing go home you’re drunk” mistype (see: Hermione, High Priestess of Te, as INTP) because I’ve never seen that one with any kind of explanation, just gifs of the character being cute or badass or somethi

**While I lean a little towards ESTP for Tony Stark I do kind of like the idea of Civl War pitting dual personalities against each other (ie, ENTP vs. ISFJ).