asoiaf family trees

ohnowhatreyoudoing  asked:

I know the family tree from TWOIAF of the Targaryens, but is there a more complete tree that shows all the births of bastards and unmarried Targs? For instance, Aegon IV had NUMEROUS bastards, but had only 3 legitimate children; is there a more accurate tree (probs fan made, ya know?) displaying lineage for these bastards and such?

The biggest and most complete Targaryen family tree that I know of is this one on the Wiki of Ice and Fire. It doesn’t include all of Aegon the Unworthy’s bastards, unfortunately, only Daemon Blackfyre (and Viserys Plumm), but you can see some of their trees in the family tree category. Don’t overlook the Blackfyre tree, for that matter.

Though if you’re into giant family trees, you have to check out the all-ASOIAF family tree, which is seriously intense and does include all of Aegon’s bastards that we know of. As well as everybody else. It’s not quite as readable as the wiki’s trees, though. (And I think it makes one or two incorrect assumptions.) But it’s wildly ambitious, successfully so, and should not be missed. :)

arriviaderci  asked:

Do you think it's odd that Rhaenys Targaryen as in The Queen Who Never Was didn't have the Baratheon look (from her mother Jocelyn) despite it being made out like it was some sort of super gene in the first book?

Well, you have to realize that Jocelyn was only half Baratheon herself – her mother was Alyssa Velaryon. (Widow of Aenys Targaryen, and thus also Jocelyn’s husband’s grandmother.) And for all the talk about the Baratheon “strong seed”, Valyrian genes seem to be pretty powerful themselves. Consider the family of Daeron II and Mariah Martell, how we only know one of their sons looked like his mother. And consider how only one of the sons of Aegon V and Betha Blackwood seems to have the Blackwood coloring. (I really wish we had descriptions of their daughters Shaera and Rhaelle– Shaera I’d suspect looked Targaryen, but I wonder if Rhaelle had black hair and thus reinforced the Baratheon “power” when she married Ormund.) Mind you not every Targaryen outcross has a Valyrian appearance, but the silver hair and purple eyes do seem to breed true more frequently than you’d expect.

Anyway, this is Rhaenys’s family tree:

Note that Jocelyn’s father Robar Baratheon was at least 1/8 Targaryen through his grandfather Orys. (Based on the belief that Orys Baratheon was a bastard brother of Aegon the Conqueror.) With his wife Alyssa Velaryon (presumably a full-blooded Valyrian), that would make Jocelyn 9/16 Valyrian – so less than half Baratheon, really. And so Rhaenys Targaryen was 25/32 Valyrian – that’s 78%. (And her children with Corlys Velaryon would be 89%.)

Against that power, even the Baratheon “strong seed” wouldn’t stand a chance. So the coal yielded to the silver, and Rhaenys Targaryen, the Queen Who Never Was, had the look of the Targaryens, as did her children.